OfficialAPCNig:

You are not getting it.

Jesus is in that God. He is the second person in that godhead. The WORD of the Father.

We have ONE GOD but manifests Himself in 3 dimensions. The father, the son and the Holy Spirit are all in that GOD.

Empiree:
are these 3 Gods attributes of One God or these 3 Gods are different entities and independent of each other?

OfficialAPCNig:

One God - three persons and the same persons.

Different attributes and the same attributes.

That is why its called MYSTERY OF THE BLESSED HOLY TRINITY.

(Galatians) - Great is the mystery of godliness, for GOD was manifested in the FLESH

Empiree:
can you see God mentioned in Mark 12:29 and Deuteronomy 6:4?

OfficialAPCNig:

The same GOD.

One God, different persons, the same persons.

I don't know why this is too difficult for you Moslems to understand.

The Father is God.

Jesus is God.

Holy Spirit is God.

These are just ONE GOD.

Christians worship just ONE God. Our monotheism is not the same with yours.

Empiree:
Don't get overworked now. I only asked you simple question. Can you see One God mentioned in those two verses I posted earlier?

OfficialAPCNig:


God the Father is also God to Jesus who also is a God and the two are ONE GOD.

Pretty straight forward. It is only confusing to those who interpretes the Bible out of context to advance their interest.

Yes.

OfficialAPCNig:


God the Father is also God to Jesus who also is a God and the two are ONE GOD.

Pretty straight forward. It is only confusing to those who interpretes the Bible out of context to advance their interest.

Empiree:


Concerning this statements, Do you know that if you were a teacher and you taught your students this you have created confusion in them and they would ask you tons of questions?.

Now that you said One God - three persons and the same persons.

This is evidently 3 different distinct persons. Your Bible says God is not author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Why is your Christian doctrines so confusing?. I am being honest with you as a layman but your write ups so far are not convincing.

ANTIlSLAM:





When are you guys gonna understand the meaning of 3 in 1?

Empiree:
you mean 1+1+1=1 how did you graduate from primary school?

ANTIlSLAM:


You failed woefully again, I said 3 in 1... Except if you're one of indomie generation but if mama buy for you all these 3 in 1 brick games while you were a teenager you should understand better the meaning of 3 in 1

OfficialAPCNig:
His name shall be called the Mighty God (Isaiah)

Empiree:
Yeye man So you think I am indomie generation?. So this means you are pre-indomie generation which means you are old now. Am sorry to say that as old as you are, you still believe in this 3-headed gods conspiracy?. You can see that both of you are having hard time explaining a very simple concept of God in Christianity. In Islam, it is very easy. If you ask a muslim who is God in Islam, he would tell you straight up without muddling concept of God or Oneness of God, The Only Creator of all things, period. If you ask a muslim who is Muhammad?. He would tell you Muhammad is prophet and messanger of God. See how easy it is. Why do you have to stress yourself before you tell us who God is?

Empiree:


Now, let's see if you can think critically. You said there are 3 in 1 God.

ANTIlSLAM:


Now what's 1 x 1 x 1 ? Let me start with you from there

I think you can differentiate between SINGULAR and PLURAL?

We Christians are serving God and NOT Gods or gods

Empiree:
So God is now a toy to play with, abi? So it is no longer 1+1+1, it is now 1x1x1 wetin we no go hear in christianity. See how you relegated God. This is blasphemy you know?. According to your Bible, punishment for blasphemy is located in Leviticus 24:13-16

Empiree:


For the fact that you can not challenge my superior argument shows that you don't know what you are doing in christianity. You can not hold rational religious dialogue. You simply concluded "we serve One God". This is dogmatism. I believe that you will go to church from now on with shady beliefs in christianity based on what you read today. You will never be the same again until you renounce christianity. I am not being sarcastic. I am being truthful with you.

Empiree:
Yeye man So you think I am indomie generation?. So this means you are pre-indomie generation which means you are old now. Am sorry to say that as old as you are, you still believe in this 3-headed gods conspiracy?. You can see that both of you are having hard time explaining a very simple concept of God in Christianity. In Islam, it is very easy. If you ask a muslim who is God in Islam, he would tell you straight up without muddling concept of God or Oneness of God, The Only Creator of all things, period. If you ask a muslim who is Muhammad?. He would tell you Muhammad is prophet and messanger of God. See how easy it is. Why do you have to stress yourself before you tell us who God is?

Now, let's see if you can think critically. You said there are 3 in 1 God. This means it is 3 gods first and all three formed 1 (one) godhead. The implication is, there are 3 gods in christianity. God the father, God the son and God the Holy spirit. These are three different entities. Whether these 3 gods are equally mighty or not is your problem. Your Bible tells us that these 3 gods of yours are not equally powerful. Example, "the Father is greater than I" John 14:28.


"I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me." John 8:18

Question is, if Jesus is part of the 3 in 1 God and they are all equal, then who sent Jesus according to Bible passage above?. The one who sent someone is Superior. The one who is sent is messanger. In another word, God is Superior and the Sender. Jesus is the messanger sent by God. So trinity that you are having trouble explaining is very simple. There is nothing like Trinity.

God the Father is Allah, the Only Supreme Being who created all things

"son" is Jesus son of Mary and the messenger of God

Holy spirit is Jubril (Angel Gabriel).

You get the clear picture now?. There is nothing like trinity. Angel Gabriel is in charge of human affairs. He was to prophets and messngers to deliver God's messages. He is not God. He is messanger. This is one of the evidences we muslims have against christianity that Bible is distorted. It is corruption in the Bible that got you guys confused. That's why you guys don't know who God is. And let me tell you that Jesus has no connection with trinity that you people talk about. It was Bible writers, including Paul that came up with the idea of trinity. They are the ones that called Jesus God. They brought the idea from Roman Emperor who was called God. After Romans converted to christianity, they literally transferred the title, "God" to Jesus. You could see example from Bible passage quoted by OfficialAPCNig earlier. He quote the Book of Isiah






"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6


Pay close attention to this passage. The verse is a reported speech. Who is speaking in this verse? Incredibly, the verse portrays "God"(i:e Jesus as a child. So those men and women that were present at his birth, who created them if God was just given birth to?. Reporter who made this report who created him before he made this report about his supposed 'god'?. He said "A child is given unto us". Who gave them a child?. Who made the child 'God'?. Please don't come up with "flesh and water", God the son was given birth to by God the father". These are hearsays and unfounded theories.

Read the attachments by Bible scholars themselves. I told you that you christians have been scammed. Thank God you are still alive. You can still amend your life before it is too late and not fall for this cheap scam anymore. Even God had a wife named Asherah in the Bible . Attached it image of Asherah. What's the difference between Christianity and alawo. Alawo are much better bcus they do not disguise. but christianity modernized paganism in disguised.

zoer

ANTIlSLAM:


Blasphemy

Upon all the analyses the OP gaveth you about the meaning of 3 in 1 you still find it difficult to comprehend.. Should I explain it further to you in Arabic the only language allah and Muhammad understood maybe you'll comprehend?





So all the analyses Advocatejare and OfficialAPCNig discussed with you never enters your ears? You're expecting us to renounce Christianity to join you in Religion of TOTAL DESTRUCTION (Islam) thereby BOMBING people all because of Virgins in garden of xxxx called Jannah? You must be dreaming then

OfficialAPCNig:
Emp.iree in your religion who was Allah's first creation?

Straightforward question, no dodging.

OfficialAPCNig:

You keep showing how ignorant you are. I have nothing to explain to you again. Our religion is clearer than crystal to us.

Empiree:
dont shift goalpost. You can not handle rational dialogue when it comes to concept of God and you want to speak on Islam?. How absurd?

Empiree:


Some of your fellow Christians don't believe in trinity or Divinity of Jesus. Yet you use same Bible. Isn't that confusion?. God is not author of confusion. Instead of you to think rationally on my post you tried to shift

Empiree:
See how you stylishly avoided rational dialogue in defending your creed. Obviously you can not handle common sense dialogue.

Advocatejare doesn't believe Jesus is God. He's a simply hypocrite dodging his creed but I caught him red-handed. He doesn't believe Divinity of Jesus needless to say trinity. You guys have different doctrines yet you use same Bible. Don't try to shift goalpost.

Fact is, you can not explain concept of God in your religion. I used your Bible to open your eyes.

OfficialAPCNig:

By rational I hope you don't mean Islamic narrative on Christian God should be?

Our God is clearer than crystals to us.

Like our Bible says "the death of Christ is nonsense to those who are being lost but to us, it is power into glory"

Everyone must not believe the same but what matters is what the majority thinks.

The last time I checked, there are many Islamic sects yet they use the same Koran.

Some sects don't even believe your hadith at all.

Again, the current Koran was commissioned by one of your caliphs. He burnt the original Koran.

OfficialAPCNig:

It is only in Islam that someone who doesn't understand the Bible believes he is more knowledgeable than those who use it everyday.

Why I always excuse you guys is because even your Allah has a VERY POOR understanding of the Bible.

If the master the confused, I don't expect anything better from the students.

Sometimes I don't blame your Allah. It might not be his effort, it could be from Zyad and Umar who corrupted the Koran.

Those two really dealt with Koran.

Empiree:
Yeye man So you think I am indomie generation?. So this means you are pre-indomie generation which means you are old now. Am sorry to say that as old as you are, you still believe in this 3-headed gods conspiracy?. You can see that both of you are having hard time explaining a very simple concept of God in Christianity. In Islam, it is very easy. If you ask a muslim who is God in Islam, he would tell you straight up without muddling concept of God or Oneness of God, The Only Creator of all things, period. If you ask a muslim who is Muhammad?. He would tell you Muhammad is prophet and messanger of God. See how easy it is. Why do you have to stress yourself before you tell us who God is?

Now, let's see if you can think critically. You said there are 3 in 1 God. This means it is 3 gods first and all three formed 1 (one) godhead. The implication is, there are 3 gods in christianity. God the father, God the son and God the Holy spirit. These are three different entities. Whether these 3 gods are equally mighty or not is your problem. Your Bible tells us that these 3 gods of yours are not equally powerful. Example, "the Father is greater than I" John 14:28.


"I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me." John 8:18

Question is, if Jesus is part of the 3 in 1 God and they are all equal, then who sent Jesus according to Bible passage above?. The one who sent someone is Superior. The one who is sent is messanger. In another word, God is Superior and the Sender. Jesus is the messanger sent by God. So trinity that you are having trouble explaining is very simple. There is nothing like Trinity.

God the Father is Allah, the Only Supreme Being who created all things

"son" is Jesus son of Mary and the messenger of God

Holy spirit is Jubril (Angel Gabriel).

You get the clear picture now?. There is nothing like trinity. Angel Gabriel is in charge of human affairs. He was to prophets and messngers to deliver God's messages. He is not God. He is messanger. This is one of the evidences we muslims have against christianity that Bible is distorted. It is corruption in the Bible that got you guys confused. That's why you guys don't know who God is. And let me tell you that Jesus has no connection with trinity that you people talk about. It was Bible writers, including Paul that came up with the idea of trinity. They are the ones that called Jesus God. They brought the idea from Roman Emperor who was called God. After Romans converted to christianity, they literally transferred the title, "God" to Jesus. You could see example from Bible passage quoted by OfficialAPCNig earlier. He quote the Book of Isiah






"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6


Pay close attention to this passage. The verse is a reported speech. Who is speaking in this verse? Incredibly, the verse portrays "God"(i:e Jesus as a child. So those men and women that were present at his birth, who created them if God was just given birth to?. Reporter who made this report who created him before he made this report about his supposed 'god'?. He said "A child is given unto us". Who gave them a child?. Who made the child 'God'?. Please don't come up with "flesh and water", God the son was given birth to by God the father". These are hearsays and unfounded theories.

Read the attachments by Bible scholars themselves. I told you that you christians have been scammed. Thank God you are still alive. You can still amend your life before it is too late and not fall for this cheap scam anymore. Even God had a wife named Asherah in the Bible . Attached it image of Asherah. What's the difference between Christianity and alawo. Alawo are much better bcus they do not disguise. but christianity modernized paganism in disguised.

zoer

Empiree:
Atamo atamo atamo atamo. Excuses. All I asked you was you should debunk my post. You haven't done that. You are using diversion tactics because you don't have rational argument. This is the problem highlighted in Christianity by Phrankleen in his YouTube video. You guys are dogmatic.

My post is still up there and I will quote it again for you to debunk me

OfficialAPCNig:

Lol.

You have shown to be grossly unteachable and mischievously misinterpreting the Bible to validate your own religion.

When I have your time- I am busy now, I will teach you Holy Trinity in lay man language and I will watch if that mischievous part of you will prop up again.

Holy Trinity and Grace is my specialty. I spent 5 years in christian theology studying just the Holy Trinity and Grace.

By Grace I mean, the effect of the death and resurrection of Christ. I enjoy speaking on that topic.

That is why I always burst into laughter when mooslem scholars start quoting the old testament.

The death of Christ brought an end to the Law. Christian starts from Matthew and ends in Revelation.

The only work of the old testament today is to act as a teacher.

Empiree:
stop talking and bring it on.

Empiree:
See how you stylishly avoided rational dialogue in defending your creed. Obviously you can not handle common sense dialogue.

Advocatejare doesn't believe Jesus is God. He's a simply hypocrite dodging his creed but I caught him red-handed. He doesn't believe Divinity of Jesus needless to say trinity. You guys have different doctrines yet you use same Bible. Don't try to shift goalpost.

Empiree:
See how you stylishly avoided rational dialogue in defending your creed. Obviously you can not handle common sense dialogue.

Advocatejare doesn't believe Jesus is God. He's a simply hypocrite dodging his creed but I caught him red-handed. He doesn't believe Divinity of Jesus needless to say trinity. You guys have different doctrines yet you use same Bible. Don't try to shift goalpost.

Fact is, you can not explain concept of God in your religion. I used your Bible to open your eyes.

Empiree:

Advocatejare doesn't believe Jesus is God. He's a simply hypocrite dodging his creed but I caught him red-handed. He doesn't believe Divinity of Jesus needless to say trinity. You guys have different doctrines yet you use same Bible. Don't try to shift goalpost.

ANTIlSLAM:



And you're inviting him to come and join the religion of TOTAL DESTRUCTION (islam) ehm?

ANTIlSLAM:


Shifting goalpost but I asked what's 1 x 1 x 1? You never answer..

Secondly, I said should I explain to concept and meaning of TRINITY in Arabic the only language understood by allah and late messenger Muhammad? You refuse to response so how am I shifting the goalpost?

Empiree:
Let him speak for himself

Empiree:


unfortunately you are the first to come up with this formula in christianity. If you want me to attend to it, it must be scholar approved first then we can talk about it. Otherwise it is pointless. besde I did replied. I said it it is blasphemy and you need to be punished according to biblical blasphemy Law.

Empiree:



Secondly, I said should I explain to concept and meaning of TRINITY in Arabic the only language understood by allah and late messenger Muhammad? You refuse to response so how am I shifting the goalpost? maybe I missed this but how do you explain this in arabic when you can not even communicate your warped creed in english

ANTIlSLAM:



It's now he should speak for himself, why must you mentioned him at first then? You are looking for whom to add into religion of MASS and TOTAL DESTRUCTION (Islam)




Buhahahaha attend to it first and see how I'm gonna finish you atleast I have come down to your level of reasoning, Advocatejare and OfficalAPCNig has explained this over and over but you found it difficult to comprehend and understand



This is NOT Fathia that you'll NEVER recite in English even if your imam or Alfa use English language to lead asolat