nku5:


Awo is a hero to such because he introduced the tribalism and bitter politics without which they would be lost today.

Even after seeing the facts of the issue laid bare about the basis of Awolowo's position on Zik's intrusion into the Western Region you still toe this line of him introducing tribalism despite before 1951 Zik had been playing the tribal card by declaring that Igbos were destined to rule over Nigeria?

odogwux:


What is civilisation bikonu? Burying people alive because a despot aka king dies? Ritual murder and enslaving weaker people? The great Igbo race was too advanced to allow such barbaric societies to spring up. We had a system whereby the entire community was represented in a townhall democracy system. You guys were sheep but we were and will always be republicans.

Name one legacy of your Benin kingdom besides occultism and fetish practices that have kept you all where you are today. We no be mate o

Of course you don't know the meaning of Civilization. If the Igbo race still eats human flesh (Clifford Orji for example) in this modern times then imagine how barbaric they were in the pre-colonial era.

Deadlytruth:


It is obvious you are not conversant with the issues. Before Independence the British was lording it over Nigeria but the fight for independence became successful and the British had to loosen their grip. If they didn't loosen their grip would independence have been granted? Is this too difficult for you to understand?

You have contradicted yourself. Your operation wetie grammar is redundant

obynzo:


You are the one that is frustrated as it is showing in all your responses. The frustration and the desperation shows how much you are in the back foot. you are simply struggling to save face not that you even understand Nigeria's history in the first place.

My guy a piece of advice to you. Don't let your quest to spread hate make you psych case or a nut job because the plan is not working for you.

As usual when boxed to a cul de sac regarding his conjured history he relapses into a fit of anger and begins to throw shades rather than address the issues raised. Please go and take your drugs.

nku5:


You have contradicted yourself. Your operation wetie grammar is redundant

Why not just accept that you have been pummeled with superior argument? Were you expecting the British to have at independence still been acting like Nigeria was still under colonization?

obynzo:


I take this as an admission from you that Gowon reversed Ironsi's unitary decree. So you can see that Ironsi didn't put us into the quasi federal structure today. It was Gowon that started it by splitting the regions to states

I too take this as an acknowledgement by you that Ironsi actually abolished the regions and Gowon actually made an attempt to restore it but couldn't complete it. Would Gowon have had any restoration to do halfway if Ironsi had not destroyed anything in the first instance? Do you restore what was never damaged?

Deadlytruth:

I too take this as an acknowledgement by you that Ironsi actually abolished the regions and Gowon actually made an attempt to restore it but couldn't complete it. Would Gowon have had any restoration to do halfway if Ironsi had not destroyed anything in the first instance? Do you restore what was never damaged?

Comprehension is what you lack you are just trying to do tit for tat which is childish. In my mention did you see me write Ironsi abolished regions? Bros just throw in the towel your plan to spread hate has failed

Deadlytruth:


Why not just accept that you have been pummeled with superior argument? Were you expecting the British to have at independence still been acting like Nigeria was still under colonization?

Beer parlour champion storyteller. You that adjudge yourself to know more about the civil war than Ademoyega

Let me humour you a little. Which of these two contradictory statements was before or after colonisation?

Deadlytruth:

Zik purposely courted and got the backing of the British to prevent secession clause. All that the British needed was just one voice of dissent which they always found in the East. I guess this should sink into your block head this time around.

Deadlytruth:


Stop being evasive and tell us where the colonial officers made any input in the Independence Constitution. I don't even believe you have ever taken the pain to read that constitution because Nnamdi Kanu's propaganda has made you believe that the British just sat down one day, drafted it all by themselves with an anti-Igbo bias, and then handed it to Balewa to start using.

Deadlytruth:

I too take this as an acknowledgement by you that Ironsi actually abolished the regions and Gowon actually made an attempt to restore it but couldn't complete it. Would Gowon have had any restoration to do halfway if Ironsi had not destroyed anything in the first instance? Do you restore what was never damaged?

Gowon split the regions and it is very clear. Ironsi didn't split regions stop fooling yourself on social media.

nku5:



1. The northerners celebrated the news of the overthrow of the Balewa government until propagandists began to do their work. The south was ecstatic until the counter coup. You are obviously not well read or exposed so these facts will be strange to you. The terrorised people of the west were the happiest. Gabriel Fagbure the yoruba journalist in that video celebrating the coup is simple evidence of the mood of the nation after the coup. If I have to keep teaching you I will need to send you an invoice

2. I thought you were just dishonest but you seem to have a learning disability as well. Coups were very common because the world was a different place. Germany you are using as an example had a Nazi coup just three decades before 1966 so your example is also DOA.

The only people happy with the coup were Igbos whose political leaders were left unhurt by the coupists. Can you quote any prominent Yoruba or Northerner or even a Midwesterner who, in representative capacity of his people made a public statement in support of the coup? You think other tribes are as brash, arrogant and senseless as you people?

And also tell us when military ever took over power in the US, UK, Canada, Japan asides from the fact that Nazism wrecked Germany and led it to a war that they regret till today just as your military coup culminated in a war that cost you over three million live which you still decry till tomorrow.
Above all that Nazi was a political party and not a military rule even though it ran a dictatorial but purposeful government with a clear ideology unlike the military governments which don't. So your citation of Germany and Nazi doesn't cut it.

Deadlytruth:

As usual when boxed to a cul de sac regarding his conjured history he relapses into a fit of anger and begins to throw shades rather than address the issues raised. Please go and take your drugs.

ohhhh I have really had a laugh bros just throw in the towel your plan has failed. You have no talk. Again I asked another question in my previous comments. Please show me an NCNC document that shows the HQ being in the east? Then we can talk more like gentlemen.

Deadlytruth:


The only people happy with the coup were Igbos whose political leaders were left unhurt by the coupists. Can you quote any prominent Yoruba or Northerner or even a Midwesterner who, in representative capacity of his people made a public statement in support of the coup? You think other tribes are as brash, arrogant and senseless as you people?

And also tell us when military ever took over power in the US, UK, Canada, Japan asides from the fact that Nazism wrecked Germany and led it to a war that they regret till today just as your military coup culminated in a war that cost you over three million live which you still decry till tomorrow.

Oga just go and rest you have no talk. Please I am waiting for an NCNC document or letter head that shows the HQ being in the east.

Deadlytruth:


The only people happy with the coup were Igbos whose political leaders were left unhurt by the coupists. Can you quote any prominent Yoruba or Northerner or even a Midwesterner who, in representative capacity of his people made a public statement in support of the coup? You think other tribes are as brash, arrogant and senseless as you people?

And also tell us when military never took over power in the US, UK, Canada, Japan asides from the fact that Nazism wrecked Germany and led it to a war that they regret till today just as your military coup culminated in a war that cost you over three million live which you still decry till tomorrow.

I don't need any sound byte from any corrupt elitist corrupt potbellied criminal from the north or Yoruba land to tell me that the ordinary ppl in the streets were relieved to see the back of Balewa and co. I don't need to cite any more sources because you are an anti-intellectual who thinks he can lie his way through. The video of Fagbure should be simple enough even for people of your capacity

obynzo:


Oga just go and rest you have no talk. Please I am waiting for an NCNC document or letter head that shows the HQ being in the east.

Have you seen DeadlyLies provide even ONE document in any of his posts. Lies are its oxygen. With documents It would suffocate immediately

nku5:


Have you seen DeadlyLies provide even ONE document in any of his posts. Lies are its oxygen. With documents It would suffocate immediately

I provided you with links upon links to my claims but all that you have been regurgitating here are Nnamdi Kanu's tales.

nku5:


I don't need any sound byte from any corrupt elitist corrupt potbellied criminal from the north or Yoruba land to tell me that the ordinary ppl in the streets were relieved to see the back of Balewa and co. I don't need to cite any more sources because you are an anti-intellectual who thinks he can lie his way through. The video of Fagbure should be simple enough even for people of your capacity

So Fagbore had become the representative of both the Yorubas, the Northerners and the Midwesterners? I never knew you were this pathetic.
Even you yourself have been trying to deny it here that Igbos celebrated the coup in the North but now you have changed tune to "the South was happy with the coup" as if Igbos were Northerners then. Can't you see your inconsistency?

obynzo:


Oga just go and rest you have no talk. Please I am waiting for an NCNC document or letter head that shows the HQ being in the east.

Why not you rather showing me a document that NCNC was still domiciled in Lagos back then? You think you are smart with sophistry, right?

Deadlytruth:


So Fagbore had become the representative of both the Yorubas, the Northerners and the Midwesterners? I never knew you were this pathetic.
Even you yourself have been trying to deny it here that Igbos celebrated the coup in the North but now you have changed tune to "the South was happy with the coup" as if Igbos were Northerners then. Can't you see your inconsistency?

DeadlyLies the Igbos did not record songs or come out to jubilate as you so shamelessly lied but went mute like a drowning rodent when asked to prove your lies Nigerians on the other hand were happy generally across all tribes. Is that simple enough for you now?

Now kindly explain your contradictory statements that you were asked before.

Deadlytruth:


Stop being evasive and tell us where the colonial officers made any input in the Independence Constitution. I don't even believe you have ever taken the pain to read that constitution because Nnamdi Kanu's propaganda has made you believe that the British just sat down one day, drafted it all by themselves with an anti-Igbo bias, and then handed it to Balewa to start using.

Deadlytruth:

Zik purposely courted and got the backing of the British to prevent secession clause. All that the British needed was just one voice of dissent which they always found in the East. I guess this should sink into your block head this time around.

You now claimed that one was after independence

Deadlytruth:


It is obvious you are not conversant with the issues. Before Independence the British was lording it over Nigeria but the fight for independence became successful and the British had to loosen their grip. If they didn't loosen their grip would independence have been granted? Is this too difficult for you to understand?

So many lies on one thread, I pity people around you in real life

Deadlytruth:


Why not you rather showing me a document that NCNC was still domiciled in Lagos back then? You think you are smart with sophistry, right?

Oga you are the one that made an allegation first so why not be an honorable man and show us the document backing your allegations that NCNC HQ was in the east?

obynzo:


Oga you are the one that made an allegation first so why not be an honorable man and show us the document backing your allegations that NCNC HQ was in the east?

He can't answer now he's gone to switch accounts to that orosunbald one

Deadlytruth:


Of course you don't know the meaning of Civilization. If the Igbo race still eats human flesh (Clifford Orji for example) in this modern times then imagine how barbaric they were in the pre-colonial era.

Clifford Orji learned it in the South West nwokem

Deadlytruth:

It is you that don't know what you are talking about.

I don't know how many times one has to repeat this for you to get it into your skull.
The resentment about Ironsi has nothing to do with how many subnational units he met and how many he left.
It is rather about how autonomous he met them and how autonomous they were when he left. Look if he had created 1 billion provinces and 300,000 groups of provinces and never stripped them of their civil services cum autonomy like the former regions had, no one would be complaining about him today. After all, the minorities in the regions back then were all already agitating for further split of the regions so that they too might enjoy the autonomy in place thus have the opportunity to govern themselves and be free from the domination of the big three. But Ironsi came in and further centralized everything by his Unification Decree and centralization of the public service which effectively killed resource control. By so doing he did the exact opposite of what the general public had been agitating for. That is the issue. Stop being evasive.

Contrary to your claim, no government which came after Ironsi did worse than him. In actual fact the worst thing that can happen to a young thriving democracy is the introduction of military rule and the subversion of a constitution drafted by the people themselves.
Now tell me which other military ruler was guilty of introducing military rule into a democracy and also subverting a we-the-people constitution.

I suggest you go and read up on elementary government. The cornerstone of true federalism is Regions, resource control and fiscal responsibility, none of which Ironsi tampered with

Regions are far larger than states, thats why they command more powers and respect from the federal government. Regionalism makes power at centre to be weak. Thats why Gowon and his fellow Northerners quickly abolished the 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 states. Subsequent regimes kept dividing Nigeria and today we have 36 states

Ironsi kept resource control and fiscal federalism. What this means is that every Region controlled what was on its land and paid the federal government an agreed tax, which was 25%. It is keeping the bulk of whatever is realised in any Region, and paying the federal government a smaller percentage, that makes any country federal in nature. So, no matter how much Ironsi centralised the civil service, it didnt really affect the Regions as they kept much of what they earned. Ironsi had to run to the Regions every month for his 25%. Today, every state has to run to Buhari every month for their allocation so as to survive. The Federal government controls everything and decides who gets what.

Every country in West Africa went through military coup. Ghana had several military coups but Ghana still practiced Regionalism, resource control and fiscal federalism since its independence. Today, Ghana has a much higher standing in the international community than Nigeria

Of course we all know what it was about. Gowon and his fellow Northerners used 'divide and rule' to strengthen their hold on Nigeria. Thats why they came in, quickly abolished the 4 Regions, created 12 states, removed resource control and fiscal federalism and carried on creating more states until they got to 36.

Then they tried to sell the story that it was all Ironsi's fault

Ironsi and Ojukwu were part of the Coup !!

1. David Ejoor was one of the Most Senior Officers his Army Number was 17 at a time When
Adebayo, Ogundipe were outside the Country

David Ejoor was Senior to Ojukwu in the Army


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://maxsiollun./2009/04/17/igbo-soldiers-plotted-coup-from-independence-day-ejoor/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwix6svAyvPtAhWVs3EKHQFlDv4QFjABegQIDxAB

2. Gen Ironsi's takeover was Unconstitutional


3. Capt Oji who was one of the Coup Planners was also of the same Umuahia Town as Gen Ironsi. and was one of those sent to assassinate his own kinsman Ironsi . Deliberate Sabotage !!!!( Who does that? Why wasn't Muritala sent to assassinate Sardauna or Gen Maimailari)

Ademoyega said he requested but was prevented from having the responsibility of dealing with Gen Ironsi by the other Coup Plotters

Is it not easy to now see how Gen Ironsi ended
up the Chief beneficiary of the Coup?


4. Gen Gowon himself has Corroborated David Ejoors Story.


Here it is

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2020/01/ojukwu-banjo-conceived-what-could-have-been-first-coup-in-1964-gowon/amp/


5. Gen Ironsi had Banjo arrested because he saw Banjo as a threat to his takeover of Power

6. After Gen Ironsi took power he made deliberate efforts to Conceal his involvement in the Coup

a) Ironsi dismissed the Special Branch British Police Officers and detectives who were investigating the Jan 1966 Coup with good progress

b) Ironsi had also frustrated the effort of the rump Cabinet to obtain British troops to put down the Jan 1966 Coup and had ended up being the main beneficiary himself

7. Lt Col Pam who was assassinated by the Coup Plotters had phoned Gen Ironsi for help as he was being led away to which Ironsi responded lazily " Is that so, ok I will send help" but Ironsi never sent any help

When Pam's Wife Elizabeth later confronted Gen Ironsi on being part of the Coup and being responsible for her Husband's murder, Ironsi said nothing.

8. When Col Gowon finally found Gen Ironsi at the Police Headquarters instead of Countering the Coup Ironsi and Col Hilary Njoku were eating biscuits with tea they even offered Gowon some
( In the Middle of a bloody Coup !! With the Prime Minister ,Finance Minister missing, 2 premiers dead, 4 Senior Army Officers kidnapped?)

Oh oh something is very Suspicious !!

Gowon led and initiated the Countering of the Jan 1966 Coup:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2016/06/19/nigerias-first-coup-biafra-british-secret-files-part-two/amp/
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9. Akinjide who was a Govt Minister confirmed that Ironsi was going around Lagos unarmed the following morning when the Prime Minister Balewa and the Finance Minister were still missing.


Here is Akinjide's account:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2017/10/01/akinjide-the-story-of-the-first-coup-has-not-been-told-yet/amp/


10 . Ojukwu was GOC of 5th battalion in Kano

Nothing stopped him from using his troops to Counter Nzeogwu in Kaduna

femijay8271:


can I have your contact?

Check my signature, sorry for the late reply

gidgiddy:


I suggest you go and read up on elementary government. The cornerstone of true federalism is Regions, resource control and fiscal responsibility, none of which Ironsi tampered with

Regions are far larger than states, thats why they command more powers and respect from the federal government. Regionalism makes power at centre to be weak. Thats why Gowon and his fellow Northerners quickly abolished the 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 states. Subsequent regimes kept dividing Nigeria and today we have 36 states

Ironsi kept resource control and fiscal federalism. What this means is that every Region controlled what was on its land and paid the federal government an agreed tax, which was 25%. It is keeping the bulk of whatever is realised in any Region, and paying the federal government a smaller percentage, that makes any country federal in nature. So, no matter how much Ironsi centralised the civil service, it didnt really affect the Regions as they kept much of what they earned. Ironsi had to run to the Regions every month for his 25%. Today, every state has to run to Buhari every month for their allocation so as to survive. The Federal government controls everything and decides who gets what.

Every country in West Africa went through military coup. Ghana had several military coups but Ghana still practiced Regionalism, resource control and fiscal federalism since its independence. Today, Ghana has a much higher standing in the international community than Nigeria

Of course we all know what it was about. Gowon and his fellow Northerners used 'divide and rule' to strengthen their hold on Nigeria. Thats why they came in, quickly abolished the 4 Regions, created 12 states, removed resource control and fiscal federalism and carried on creating more states until they got to 36.

Then they tried to sell the story that it was all Ironsi's fault

Did you read what you wrote above at all before posting?
In which school were you taught in Government that the largeness in size of subnational units in any country is what automatically confers federalism? If we are to follow your line of argument, then very small countries like Jamaica, Haiti, Seychelles, Cape Verde, and the likes can't ever practise federalism, right?
You are indeed a comedian par excellence.

In your cry about Gowon splitting the regions into states, what you seem to ignore is the fact that even if Ironsi had never introduced military rule, the regions would have still ended up being split further and further into smaller entities since the minorities in each region had started demanding their own separate regions and that the FG had started granting them as evidenced by the creation of the Midwest and the COR and Middle Belt Regions to have followed soon. So Gowon or no Gowon, there was no way the regions were going to have perpetually remained three or four. However, what we all know is that the pain of the typical Igbo man over Gowon's states creation is not really about the dismantling of federalism which they allege came with it but because it made them lose control over the Eastern minority areas which were rich in crude oil deposits. I believe you remember that the Igbo-controlled government of the Eastern Region resisted every call by the Eastern minorities for their own separate region while Balewa was still in power?

odogwux:


Clifford Orji learned it in the South West nwokem

That of Clifford Orji predated all these instances you cited for the SW. So we could even more correctly infer that those now doing it in the SW were emboldened to start doing it after seeing Clifford Orji do it without justice being served him.

obynzo:


Oga you are the one that made an allegation first so why not be an honorable man and show us the document backing your allegations that NCNC HQ was in the east?

Is this the same you that have been making allegations here and asking me to go and find out the veracity of those allegations of yours through research?

nku5:


DeadlyLies the Igbos did not record songs or come out to jubilate as you so shamelessly lied but went mute like a drowning rodent when asked to prove your lies Nigerians on the other hand were happy generally across all tribes. Is that simple enough for you now?

Now kindly explain your contradictory statements that you were asked before.






You now claimed that one was after independence



So many lies on one thread, I pity people around you in real life

As per all the above, even you yourself know that you are just playing the devil's advocate as my point is very clear. Prior to independence we were under colonization hence Britain dictated what happened. But at independence and in living up to the true meaning of the word, they allowed Nigerians freedom to decide their fate.
Is this too difficult for you to understand? I suggest you look up your dictionary for the meanings of imperialism and independence.

Per your bolded, if you Igbos didn't celebrate the coup, then how did you welcome the coup like you have been arguing? When people welcome a thing, they celebrate that thing. And the Igbos we know could be very brash and arrogant even in a land far away from home. If not, why are you people the only non-native tribe always having issues in the North with the natives to the extent of issuing you a quit notice, killing you in large numbers like in 1945 and 1953? Why not any other tribe? There must be something annoying and irritating about your conduct outside home.

Even in the South South States, the story is not different. Why? It is even the SW that tolerates your aggressions and that is the very reason why they are the tribe you mostly disrespect and call all sorts of names with the most unprintable insults. On account of that, I have always blamed the SW for some of the problems you Igbos created in this country because they tolerate your nonsense too much thereby emboldening you to cause more problems with your arrogance in other regions. The SW has through history always bent over backwards to accommodate you Igbos in search of a non-existent Southern unity while you Igbos will only take advantage of their accomodating gesture and then turn around to insult them and portray them as demons and crooks.
Until the SW takes a firm and unwavering stand against you Igbos and defines very strict limits for you in their region, Nigeria will never know peace and progress.
The excessive liberal nature of the SW towards you Igbos is one major foundation of the problems in this country.

obynzo:


Gowon split the regions and it is very clear. Ironsi didn't split regions stop fooling yourself on social media.

You are the one fooling yourself. Ironsi split the regions into 35 provinces and imposed on them military governors whom he ordered to be taking instructions from him. That was the end of federalism.

obynzo:


Oga just go and rest you have no talk. Please I am waiting for an NCNC document or letter head that shows the HQ being in the east.

Just as I am waiting for a similar letterhead containing Lagos as their head office address as at 1960 and beyond.

odogwux:


What is civilisation bikonu? Burying people alive because a despot aka king dies? Ritual murder and enslaving weaker people? The great Igbo race was too advanced to allow such barbaric societies to spring up. We had a system whereby the entire community was represented in a townhall democracy system. You guys were sheep but we were and will always be republicans.

Name one legacy of your Benin kingdom besides occultism and fetish practices that have kept you all where you are today. We no be mate o

I guess you ask the Europeans who said they met civilization in Benin.
All pre-colonial African kingdoms and empires were empires of blood and gore but with the advent of colonialism, it began to give way except in Nri where blood rituals have remained in vogue till today.

obynzo:


Comprehension is what you lack you are just trying to do tit for tat which is childish. In my mention did you see me write Ironsi abolished regions? Bros just throw in the towel your plan to spread hate has failed

Hahaha.....
Look at the mirror please. Do people restore what was never damaged? Simple question!