First time for Freeze to act responsibly. Rather than abuse and insults to men of God, I think this Time around u addressed issue maturely in a polite manner.

Pastors should be specific and give more explanation to every word in the bible in the way they understand or in the way the spirit makes teaches them to understand, Daddy freeze has a point in the verse he gave, which say in all translation that, believers are not allowed to judge or criticize unbelievers/Gentiles but as a believer you are permitted to judge/criticise your fellow brethren in Christ who aren't walking in the way of light .

That is letting them know that their actions don't sync with christ, letting them know of their flaws, that is because you can't see your follow brethren walking in the path of darkness , and act like it doesn't matter or cocern you , we have to show the love of Christ to believers and also to unbelievers .

Would you see a pastor with charm at night and still keep silent cos you don't want to criticize the pastor? all because you didn't get the main insight of the word of God, No, you will have to speak up as a believer so you can liberate your fellow brethren from getting mislead by those so called pastors that claim to be men of God. God is light, We are light so we have to spread the light.

Let's read and meditate on the Bible in all translation and direction so we won't fall off.

Oracleforce:


I doubt if you can differentiate between heresy and truth teachings....because you are spiritually porous and empty...
Common Islamic student/Teacher will sweep you off your feet in a Bible debate competition...

Keep dreaming.

tobechi74:
Let pastor
Correct themselves

Yes. Nigerian religious leaders have weaponised religion against the people they use it to manipulate money, political behaviour it is shameful and it is enough

Iconstar:
Ur comments show that you are not even a true follower of Christ.U are just an online religious hypocrite with no understanding of the things u speak of. You are also spiritually,physically ,financially, morally empty, and void. That's why you sound so pained and bitter.

....editing my comments for you to make an obnoxious and obscene point! What a shame! You better repent...

Jude 1:12-13 NIV

".They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever."

Iconstar:
Look at this devil discriminating even in Christianity. Na wa o

discrimination is out of context in my explanation.exept you want to use another adjective that you didn't remember.....

I'm not a devil...I am here to enlighten some baby Christians like you...

chudikayofficia:
Pastors should be specific and give more explanation to every word in the bible in the way they understand or in the way the spirit makes teaches them to understand, Daddy freeze has a point in the verse he gave, which say in all translation that, believers are not allowed to judge or criticize unbelievers/Gentiles but as a believer you are permitted to judge/criticise your fellow brethren in Christ who aren't walking in the way of light .

That is letting them know that their actions don't sync with christ, letting them know of their flaws, that is because you can't see your follow brethren walking in the path of darkness , and act like it doesn't matter or cocern you , we have to show the love of Christ to believers and also to unbelievers .

Would you see a pastor with charm at night and still keep silent cos you don't want to criticize the pastor? all because you didn't get the main insight of the word of God, No, you will have to speak up as a believer so you can liberate your fellow brethren from getting mislead by those so called pastors that claim to be men of God. God is light, We are light so we have to spread the light.

Let's read and meditate on the Bible in all translation and direction so we won't fall off.

Lemme ask you a question....do you criticize or. judge your lecturer in school or you correct them? Do you set an exam for your lecturer in school or they set an exam for you....?
Do you judge your mechanic or you watch him fixing your car for you...
The scripture says, we are soldiers of Christ.. .2 Timothy 2:3
Have you seen where a Lance Corporal is Criticizing or Judging an Army Major or Major-General ? Or a police Seargent is Judging an Asst Commissioner of police...

Bro, Number chapter 12 speaks more about this topic...go and read it.

Admittedly, there are fake and genuine pastors....talking about the genuine ones, even when they fall like Samson, with a space of time, they will pull down pillars...
pls, don't joke with anointed men of God oh...
.however, they can be corrected with love, like Moses' father-in-law. corrected Moses but not to be judged or criticized

Oracleforce:


Lemme ask you a question....do you criticize or. judge your lecturer in school or you correct them? Do you set an exam for your lecturer in school or they set an exam for you....?
Do you judge your mechanic or you watch him fixing your car for you...
The scripture says, we are soldiers of Christ.. .2 Timothy 2:3
Have you seen where a Lance Corporal is Criticizing or Judging an Army Major or Major-General ? Or a police Seargent is Judging an Asst Commissioner of police...

Bro, Number chapter 12 speaks more about this topic...go and read it.

Admittedly, there are fake and genuine pastors....talking about the genuine ones, even when they fall like Samson, with a space of time, they will pull down pillars...
pls, don't joke with anointed men of God oh...
.however, they can be corrected with love, like Moses' father-in-law. corrected Moses but not to be judged or criticized

Are you saying, a lecturer cannot be wrong?if ur teacher erroneously called plastic a metal, would you not correct him? Are u saying that military bosses cannot be corrected? Who even told you that pastors are higher than members sef?it's the same pastors that told u that.
I've read your position on the subject matter.. Even about how someone was cursed to be barren in the old testament. What you do not know is that the old testament is expired. Even bears mauled boys that disrespected Elijah.. But that's in the old covenant. You cannot cite any example from the new covenant ie christ and his apostles. That is why your pastors do not like the new covenant. In the new covenant everyone is a priest, everyone shares what they have and not give to a priest, money cannot be made from the new covenant, the apostles were mostly poor, beaten and jailed and all were killed.. But under the old covenant, priests were big boys, they alone heard from God, they anointed kings... Wake up bro

genkins:

Are you saying, a lecturer cannot be wrong?if ur teacher erroneously called plastic a metal, would you not correct him? Are u saying that military bosses cannot be corrected? Who even told you that pastors are higher than members sef?it's the same pastors that told u that.
I've read your position on the subject matter.. Even about how someone was cursed to be barren in the old testament. What you do not know is that the old testament is expired. Even bears mauled boys that disrespected Elijah.. But that's in the old covenant. You cannot cite any example from the new covenant ie christ and his apostles. That is why your pastors do not like the new covenant. In the new covenant everyone is a priest, everyone shares what they have and not give to a priest, money cannot be made from the new covenant, the apostles were mostly poor, beaten and jailed and all were killed.. But under the old covenant, priests were big boys, they alone heard from God, they anointed kings... Wake up bro

New Testament was the fulfillment of the old testament prophecies...without the old testament, the new testament wouldn't be meaningful....all the great apostles and prophets including Paul, peter James and John still made reference to old testament....
Now talking if the pastor is higher than members...we are all the same before God almighty but God doesn't put his genuine servants in the position with just a nominal christain.
Jesus says to Peter, Matthew 16:16-18... Upon the rock (Peter) I will build my church and the gate of hell will not prevail against it...." This statement was said to Peter alone...
That's as long as peter is alive, the pillar of the church rest on him and not on nominal christain.....
Some specific people stand as the pillar of some churches...the moment they pass on and didn't hand over to the appropriate person, the pillar of such church collapse automatically....I'm sure you have attended different churches and nobody feels your impact but there are some people in these churches, you are attending that stands as a pillar to that church, the moment they leave and didn't hand over to the appropriate person, the church sinks immediately......
So, I believe with this little information, I have been to convince you and not confuse you that some pastors stand as the pillar of some churches that made such church to stand. Such pillars are not the same with nominal members and baby Christians...

Oracleforce:


....editing my comments for you to make an obnoxious and obscene point! What a shame! You better repent...

Jude 1:12-13 NIV

".They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever."

You need to repent first,you modern day Pharisee.

Me patiently waiting for Dr. Paul enenche's drama from one of he's pastors

Oracleforce:



New Testament was the fulfillment of the old testament prophecies...without the old testament, the new testament wouldn't be meaningful....all the great apostles and prophets including Paul, peter James and John still made reference to old testament....
Now talking if the pastor is higher than members...we are all the same before God almighty but God doesn't put his genuine servants in the position with just a nominal christain.
Jesus says to Peter, Matthew 16:16-18... Upon the rock (Peter) I will build my church and the gate of hell will not prevail against it...." This statement was said to Peter alone...
That's as long as peter is alive, the pillar of the church rest on him and not on nominal christain.....
Some specific people stand as the pillar of some churches...the moment they pass on and didn't hand over to the appropriate person, the pillar of such church collapse automatically....I'm sure you have attended different churches and nobody feels your impact but there are some people in these churches, you are attending that stands as a pillar to that church, the moment they leave and didn't hand over to the appropriate person, the church sinks immediately......
So, I believe with this little information, I have been to convince you and not confuse you that some pastors stand as the pillar of some churches that made such church to stand. Such pillars are not the same with nominal members and baby Christians...

No sir, you haven't said anything convincing. Rather you talk of church administration. You need to understand that administration of the establishment is what you are calling a church and it is instituted by man for administration and not God.in my office, my boss earns more than me but under the law of Nigeria, we are both human beings.. Equal with the same rights.
In truth, the church is a spiritual temple made up of believers of which christ is the foundation.we believers are all priests with only one highpriest(christ).
What packs up when a church leader dies, is the establishment. Two different things.
Now, I am given the gift of preaching, you.. Prophesy, another.. Healing,. Another.. Speaking in tongues,, another.. Interpretation etc.. So who is greater BTW us all?
The concept of church leadership is purely administrative. Have u forgotten that Paul who never met christ physically and even understudied under Peter, critsized the same peter(the rock) who walked with christ, ate with him and he (Peter) stood condemned?

There is a reason why it is called 'the old testament'... It's an old contract. U now have a new contract with God.. Best you can do is as u said, refer to it once in a while like the apostles did.. But it will be foolish to practice an old contract when u now have a new one with christ. Kaspish?
These pastors you follow, most of them are not even literate enough..they graduated from Bible schools orchestrated by the same ignorant older pastors.
The few ones that are smart bagged phds in theology(degree awarded by man) become so rich by manipulating scriptures, mixing old and new covenants and therefore become rich by it.

Be guided bro

genkins:


No sir, you haven't said anything convincing. Rather you talk of church administration. You need to understand that administration of the establishment is what you are calling a church and it is instituted by man for administration and not God.in my office, my boss earns more than me but under the law of Nigeria, we are both human beings.. Equal with the same rights.
In truth, the church is a spiritual temple made up of believers of which christ is the foundation.we believers are all priests with only one highpriest(christ).
What packs up when a church leader dies, is the establishment. Two different things.
Now, I am given the gift of preaching, you.. Prophesy, another.. Healing,. Another.. Speaking in tongues,, another.. Interpretation etc.. So who is greater BTW us all?
The concept of church leadership is purely administrative. Have u forgotten that Paul who never met christ physically and even understudied under Peter, critsized the same peter(the rock) who walked with christ, ate with him and he (Peter) stood condemned?

There is a reason why it is called 'the old testament'... It's an old contract. U now have a new contract with God.. Best you can do is as u said, refer to it once in a while like the apostles did.. But it will be foolish to practice an old contract when u now have a new one with christ. Kaspish?
These pastors you follow, most of them are not even literate enough..they graduated from Bible schools orchestrated by the same ignorant older pastors.
The few ones that are smart bagged phds in theology(degree awarded by man) become so rich by manipulating scriptures, mixing old and new covenants and therefore become rich by it.

Be guided bro

All. your comments are full of theories and hypotheses..... a this because of your level as a believer...
Paul doesn't criticize Peter but he corrects him among the disciple with love...
According to dictionary.com,
Criticism is the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything while correction is something that is substituted or proposed for what is wrong or inaccurate; emendation.
Read Galatians 2:11-14 Paul spotted hypocrisy in the life of Peter and correct this misdemeanor amidst the disciple not in the market square or on the internet like Daddy Freeze use to do...
Everybody is open to correction...Moses' Father-in-law advised or corrected Moses....despite paul's wealth of knowledge and revelation, he still submitted to the authority of Peter, James, and John...
I'm sure you can't criticize your earthly father, you can only correct him... these people are spiritual fathers to some of us...(except for the fake pastors among them) though we may not accept all their teaching and doctrine but you accept their position or leadership in the Lord....(I'm not talking about church administration or hierarchy)
You have attended different churches and yet those churches didn't collapse it's because your spiritual impact doesn't hold anything in that church....you just come to receive the blessing that some people have used most of their time, energy, and resources to labor for......but some people are spiritual pillar, some are financial pillar, some are strategy pillar and so on.....
For you to give meaningful and certified comments about some pillars in the churches be a pillar first....paul was a pillar to some essence, he saw that what he stood for is has been contravening by Peter even in the same ministry that Peter handover to him so he needs to correct some erroneous practices that he saw in peter
....
Your leaders are to be corrected with love and not to be criticized....the day you start ridiculing or criticizing your leader, you automatically turn to a disrespectfull person. However, there is negative and positive criticism ....you may be richer or more knowledgeable than him but you still owe him that honor and respect till you die...

Oracleforce:


All. your comments are full of theories and hypotheses..... a this because of your level as a believer...
Paul doesn't criticize Peter but he corrects him among the disciple with love...
According to dictionary.com,
Criticism is the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything while correction is something that is substituted or proposed for what is wrong or inaccurate; emendation.
Read Galatians 2:11-14 Paul spotted hypocrisy in the life of Peter and correct this misdemeanor amidst the disciple not in the market square or on the internet like Daddy Freeze use to do...
Everybody is open to correction...Moses' Father-in-law advised or corrected Moses....despite paul's wealth of knowledge and revelation, he still submitted to the authority of Peter, James, and John...
I'm sure you can't criticize your earthly father, you can only correct him... these people are spiritual fathers to some of us...(except for the fake pastors among them) though we may not accept all their teaching and doctrine but you accept their position or leadership in the Lord....(I'm not talking about church administration or hierarchy)
You have attended different churches and yet those churches didn't collapse it's because your spiritual impact doesn't hold anything in that church....you just come to receive the blessing that some people have used most of their time, energy, and resources to labor for......but some people are spiritual pillar, some are financial pillar, some are strategy pillar and so on.....
For you to give meaningful and certified comments about some pillars in the churches be a pillar first....paul was a pillar to some essence, he saw that what he stood for is has been contravening by Peter even in the same ministry that Peter handover to him so he needs to correct some erroneous practices that he saw in peter
....
Your leaders are to be corrected with love and not to be criticized....the day you start ridiculing or criticizing your leader, you automatically turn to a disrespectfull person. However, there is negative and positive criticism ....you may be richer or more knowledgeable than him but you still owe him that honor and respect till you die...

First of all, I appreciate your matured response.

Let me start by saying this
1.there is nothing like spiritual father in Christianity. That concept was brought in by Paul who referred some believers as his children. Now, what did christ say about it?
Matt 29:3
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
You see now that Calling any human your spiritual father(as shown in context above) is the religion brought by Paul into Christianity.now,i am a Christian not a paulian.. U get?
2.you need to understand what a church is. Is daddyfreeze a moslem? No, he his part of the body of christ-the church and by church I do not mean redeemed, winners etc(those are brand names).
Now, drawing analogy BTW me criticising my father and the pastor is not the same as i have shown you that no one is your spiritual father.
If we follow your analogy, then can you call out your father in front of everyone? You can't even do that.. But Paul did it because Peter is not more important that the message of christ. Same way your pastors are not important compared to the message.
3.if you watched the video, freeze refused to criticize Chris(even though scripturally he can) , he just asked him to explain few scriptures to him. Do not mix African traditions that elders cannot be criticized even when they are wrong. Scripturally you can critique any pastor. The same Bible says do not speak to an elder harshly but that you cannot call them out for thier error even in front of everyone.. Now that is falsehood.
4..lastly,the concept of financial Pillar or spiritual Pillar is non existent. Christ is the only Pillar of his church.saying Paul could call out Peter because he is a Pillar is unfounded. Paul became a believer like everyone else. Paul is popular cos he wrote most of the books in NT.. Don't 4get that Paul was the most educated amongst them... But Pillar? Mbanu

There was a time freeze criticized funke adejumo and she replied that it is only her elders that can correct her.. Even Paul Enenche said the same thing.. That only an elder pastor that has the right to correct a pastor.. Now that is absolutely false.. U cant blame the two, that's how they were taught.. So who calls out the most senior pastor or bishop or pope... God?

genkins:


First of all, I appreciate your matured response.

Let me start by saying this
1.there is nothing like spiritual father in Christianity. That concept was brought in by Paul who referred some believers as his children. Now, what did christ say about it?
Matt 29:3
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
You see now that Calling any human your spiritual father(as shown in context above) is the religion brought by Paul into Christianity.now,i am a Christian not a paulian.. U get?
2.you need to understand what a church is. Is daddyfreeze a moslem? No, he his part of the body of christ-the church and by church I do not mean redeemed, winners etc(those are brand names).
Now, drawing analogy BTW me criticising my father and the pastor is not the same as i have shown you that no one is your spiritual father.
If we follow your analogy, then can you call out your father in front of everyone? You can't even do that.. But Paul did it because Peter is not more important that the message of christ. Same way your pastors are not important compared to the message.
3.if you watched the video, freeze refused to criticize Chris(even though scripturally he can) , he just asked him to explain few scriptures to him. Do not mix African traditions that elders cannot be criticized even when they are wrong. Scripturally you can critique any pastor. The same Bible says do not speak to an elder harshly but that you cannot call them out for thier error even in front of everyone.. Now that is falsehood.
4..lastly,the concept of financial Pillar or spiritual Pillar is non existent. Christ is the only Pillar of his church.saying Paul could call out Peter because he is a Pillar is unfounded. Paul became a believer like everyone else. Paul is popular cos he wrote most of the books in NT.. Don't 4get that Paul was the most educated amongst them... But Pillar? Mbanu

There was a time freeze criticized funke adejumo and she replied that it is only her elders that can correct her.. Even Paul Enenche said the same thing.. That only an elder pastor that has the right to correct a pastor.. Now that is absolutely false.. U cant blame the two, that's how they were taught.. So who calls out the most senior pastor or bishop or pope... God?

Stop contradicting what Apostle Paul himself says in the book of 1 Timothy 1:2 NIV "To Timothy my true son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
For Paul to call Timothy his son, he must be his father.
1 Corinthians 4:14-15 " I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons, I warn you.
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."

Elisah called Elijah his father; even king Azariah called Elisah his father...

What you fail to realize is that some people are light-bearers and pathfinders who are exceptionally unique in their chosen career.....like Karl Marx, Michael Faraday, Neil Armstrong, Einstein, Elon Musk, etc...they still give them respect in their unique fields..but in Christianity, erroneously, we see ourselves as the equal and the same...
This is a lie from the pit of Hell...we may be equal but the grace of God upon each of us is different...It takes your spiritual in-depths and insight to be able to know the grace that each one of us carries.

This is not about mixing tradition or cultural beliefs with Christianity....it is scriptural....as you begin to journey in the spiritual matter, you will see those people that are more than just a teacher, a pastor, an evangelist, or an instructor to you in the spiritual matter....may you find one in the name of Jesus. Amen.

Oracleforce:


Stop contradicting what Apostle Paul himself says in the book of 1 Timothy 1:2 NIV "To Timothy my true son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
For Paul to call Timothy his son, he must be his father.
1 Corinthians 4:14-15 " I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons, I warn you.
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."

Elisah called Elijah his father; even king Azariah called Elisah his father...

What you fail to realize is that some people are light-bearers and pathfinders who are exceptionally unique in their chosen career.....like Karl Marx, Michael Faraday, Neil Armstrong, Einstein, Elon Musk, etc...they still give them respect in their unique fields..but in Christianity, erroneously, we see ourselves as the equal and the same...
This is a lie from the pit of Hell...we may be equal but the grace of God upon each of us is different...It takes your spiritual in-depths and insight to be able to know the grace that each one of us carries.

This is not about mixing tradition or cultural beliefs with Christianity....it is scriptural....as you begin to journey in the spiritual matter, you will see those people that are more than just a teacher, a pastor, an evangelist, or an instructor to you in the spiritual matter....may you find one in the name of Jesus. Amen.

Lol.......
Who is apostle Paul compared to our savior, christ. Paul says one thing, christ says another, why do you choose to follow Paul... I am contradicting Paul with words of christ.

As for Elisha and Elijah, that one doesn't Concern us na.. Was Elisha and Elijah Christians?

You are funny.. My guy, your walk with christ is not an occupation. There are no lighbearers or pathfinders as you claim except christ.
I know they lied to you bro. You'll need to unlearn all this things taught to you in error..
We are all equal in christ. There is nothing like someone having a different level of grace.. Those are all lies propagated by thier master Satan,the father of all lies.
Our grace in christ is salvation, we are equal and of the same grace. Grace is not a gift of the spirit. It is a gift from God through christ.

WE ARE ALL EQUAL IN GRACE. They lie to you bro, to get your respect and your money.

genkins:


Lol.......
Who is apostle Paul compared to our savior, christ. Paul says one thing, christ says another, why do you choose to follow Paul... I am contradicting Paul with words of christ.

As for Elisha and Elijah, that one doesn't Concern us na.. Was Elisha and Elijah Christians?

You are funny.. My guy, your walk with christ is not an occupation. There are no lighbearers or pathfinders as you claim except christ.
I know they lied to you bro. You'll need to unlearn all this things taught to you in error..
We are all equal in christ. There is nothing like someone having a different level of grace.. Those are all lies propagated by thier master Satan,the father of all lies.
Our grace in christ is salvation, we are equal and of the same grace. Grace is not a gift of the spirit. It is a gift from God through christ.

WE ARE ALL EQUAL IN GRACE. They lie to you bro, to get your respect and your money.

I'm here to educate and reason with you...but there are things you are mixing up in this whole argument...
Lemme show you in the scripture that graces are different upon each believer....
1 Corinthians 3:10-11 "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

At salvation, the grace might be the same but what you build on this salvation grace is what makes it stronger or lighter ....do you know grace can be frustrated or quenched or grow...
At the beginning, God's gift of grace is free but there are levels of grace that you have to earn your way through by your deep commitment, dedication, sacrifices, and hard work... Or you frustrate it with disobedience or sins...
We are equal before God but God has favorites. And this is according to the grace upon such life.

Oracleforce:



I'm here to educate and reason with you...but there are things you are mixing up in this whole argument...
Lemme show you in the scripture that graces are different upon each believer....
1 Corinthians 3:10-11 "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

At salvation, the grace might be the same but what you build on this salvation grace is what makes it stronger or lighter ....do you know grace can be frustrated or quenched or grow...
At the beginning, God's gift of grace is free but there are levels of grace that you have to earn your way through by your deep commitment, dedication, sacrifices, and hard work... Or you frustrate it with disobedience or sins...
We are equal before God but God has favorites. And this is according to the grace upon such life.

Pls don't forget Paul was a man and he is given to his own ideas, however, christ is perfect. Take what christ says if u are truly a Christian
Now,
Lemme answer u with scriptures

Acts 10:34
Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
Roman's 2:11
For God does not show favoritism.

Now u see, God has no favorites.
We are equal in the eyes of God.

These pastors, God will punish them for misleading believers like you

So EOD.. End of discussion

genkins:

Pls don't forget Paul was a man and he is given to his own ideas, however, Christ is perfect. Take what Christ says if u are truly a Christian
Now,
Lemme answer u with scriptures

Acts 10:34
Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
Roman's 2:11
For God does not show favoritism.

Now u see, God has no favorites.
We are equal in the eyes of God.

These pastors, God will punish them for misleading believers like you

So EOD. End of discussion

Show favoritism is different from favorite...
Stop muddling the English language together.....and stop quoting the Bible out of context because you want to win an argument....nobody grows that way,

It is true that God doesn't show favoritism like man does....because we are all equal before him but as time goes.based on your relationship, commitment and sacrifice to him, he single you out for favor, blessings, great position and miracle....however, it is different from being predjuice, bias, unfair, partisan, discriminatory, inequality etc...that you alluded Scripture to be in the argument ....god can not be discriminatory...but he can have his favorite...
And so many stories in the Bible is enough to convince you....for example Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Joseph and his brethren, mary the Magdalene, Daniel, David and his brethren etc...

You quoted two Bible references about favoritism.
This is bible reference in the Message Version of the Bible....

Romans 2:9-11...MSG version.
If you go against the grain, you get splinters, regardless of which neighborhood you’re from, what your parents taught you, what schools you attended. But if you embrace the way God does things, there are wonderful payoffs, again without regard to where you are from or how you were brought up. Being a Jew won’t give you an automatic stamp of approval. God pays no attention to what others say (or what you think) about you. He makes up his own mind.

...and you can check other version of the Bible yourself.
The question is this; does the interpretation tally with your argument?/No!

The second Bible portion you quoted was about Peter and Cornelius...Cornelius was captain of an Italian guard ... He wasn't a jew...Peter and other disciples present, do not believe that Cornelius and his officers will soon receive the gift of the holy ghost because Peter felt they were a jew, but they did received the gift of the Holy Spirit immediately after Peter pray for them... That was what makes peter made the statement you quoted. . ...stop quoting the Bible in isolation or out of context...

Lemme show you some Bible reference to back my claim of some gods favorite....

Romans 9:13 KJV says. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

2 Timothy 2:20-21 MSG version
In a well-furnished kitchen there are not only crystal goblets and silver platters, but waste cans and compost buckets—some containers used to serve fine meals, others to take out the garbage. Become the kind of container God can use to present any and every kind of gift to his guests for their blessing.

Jesus Christ also has favorites Peter, James, and John.. We also have John the beloved...
...and from the Bible scholar, it was recorded that John was the only apostle who die a natural death among other apostles...

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom [b]Jesus loved [/b]following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

Stop quoting scripture out of context because you want to win an argument by all means....i opened my mind to new information or revelation that is genuinely, logical and that is also back up with scriptural references... I don't have a rigid mind to keep withholding wrong biblical teaching or doctrines...because it is not my rigid doctrine that will make me rapturable, it is the truth of the word of God i obey and know...

Oracleforce:



Show favoritism is different from favorite...
Stop muddling the English language together.....and stop quoting the Bible out of context because you want to win an argument....nobody grows that way,

It is true that God doesn't show favoritism like man does....because we are all equal before him but as time goes.based on your relationship, commitment and sacrifice to him, he single you out for favor, blessings, great position and miracle....however, it is different from being predjuice, bias, unfair, partisan, discriminatory, inequality etc...that you alluded Scripture to be in the argument ....god can not be discriminatory...but he can have his favorite...
And so many stories in the Bible is enough to convince you....for example Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Joseph and his brethren, mary the Magdalene, Daniel, David and his brethren etc...

You quoted two Bible references about favoritism.
This is bible reference in the Message Version of the Bible....

Romans 2:9-11...MSG version.
If you go against the grain, you get splinters, regardless of which neighborhood you’re from, what your parents taught you, what schools you attended. But if you embrace the way God does things, there are wonderful payoffs, again without regard to where you are from or how you were brought up. Being a Jew won’t give you an automatic stamp of approval. God pays no attention to what others say (or what you think) about you. He makes up his own mind.

...and you can check other version of the Bible yourself.
The question is this; does the interpretation tally with your argument?/No!

The second Bible portion you quoted was about Peter and Cornelius...Cornelius was captain of an Italian guard ... He wasn't a jew...Peter and other disciples present, do not believe that Cornelius and his officers will soon receive the gift of the holy ghost because Peter felt they were a jew, but they did received the gift of the Holy Spirit immediately after Peter pray for them... That was what makes peter made the statement you quoted. . ...stop quoting the Bible in isolation or out of context...

Lemme show you some Bible reference to back my claim of some gods favorite....

Romans 9:13 KJV says. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

2 Timothy 2:20-21 MSG version
In a well-furnished kitchen there are not only crystal goblets and silver platters, but waste cans and compost buckets—some containers used to serve fine meals, others to take out the garbage. Become the kind of container God can use to present any and every kind of gift to his guests for their blessing.

Jesus Christ also has favorites Peter, James, and John.. We also have John the beloved...
...and from the Bible scholar, it was recorded that John was the only apostle who die a natural death among other apostles...

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom [b]Jesus loved [/b]following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

Stop quoting scripture out of context because you want to win an argument by all means....i opened my mind to new information or revelation that is genuinely, logical and that is also back up with scriptural references... I don't have a rigid mind to keep withholding wrong biblical teaching or doctrines...because it is not my rigid doctrine that will make me rapturable, it is the truth of the word of God i obey and know...

Like I said before.. U are very funny.
You contradicted your self all over the place.
Peter just realized that now God has no favorites.
Emphasisis on 'now'. Did God have favorites before? Yes.. Under the old and expired covenant where Nigerian charlatan pastors operate.

Your problem lies with not being able to distinguish between old testament and the new covenant in christ... Thats why u talk about esau and Jacob, David, Daniel and co.
The more you type, the more I have doubts about your intelligence.
That Jesus loved a disciple means God has favorites in the new covenant? Bro, are u okay?


And for the records.. Winning the argument means nothing to me. What's important is that at the end of the day, I can bring 1 lost soul to christ. Bro, God has no favorites under the new covenant with christ. You are a priest under royal priesthood of christ. I have said this again and again but I know u don't understand because of what these pastors taught you.
Now lemme loud it

UNDER CHRIST, THERE ARE NO FAVORITES. YOUR PASTORS ARE NOT FAVORITES AS THEY CLAIM TO BE.

genkins:


Like I said before.. U are very funny.
You contradicted your self all over the place.
Peter just realized that now God has no favorites.
Emphasisis on 'now'. Did God have favorites before? Yes.. Under the old and expired covenant where Nigerian charlatan pastors operate.

Your problem lies with not being able to distinguish between old testament and the new covenant in christ... Thats why u talk about esau and Jacob, David, Daniel and co.
The more you type, the more I have doubts about your intelligence.
That Jesus loved a disciple means God has favorites in the new covenant? Bro, are u okay?


And for the records.. Winning the argument means nothing to me. What's important is that at the end of the day, I can bring 1 lost soul to christ. Bro, God has no favorites under the new covenant with christ. You are a priest under royal priesthood of christ. I have said this again and again but I know u don't understand because of what these pastors taught you.
Now lemme loud it

UNDER CHRIST, THERE ARE NO FAVORITES. YOUR PASTORS ARE NOT FAVORITES AS THEY CLAIM TO BE.

Bro.,
Apostle Paul.prayer for the People.of Ephesus is this:

I also pray that you will understand the incredible greatness of God’s power for us who believe him. This is the same mighty power
Ephesians 1:19 NLT

After reading your comment I discovered that it abusive, evasive and void basic understanding of the scripture...
it dawns on me that your aim is just to justifies your point either wrongly or rightly....

Lemme quickly highlight some of the points you made

1.that we are in the new covenant in Christ....bro. For the fact that we are in the new testament doesn't override old testament blessings and teachings
Pls read what apostle Paul says in Act of the Apostles 26:22-23 NLT
"But God has protected me right up to this present time so I can testify to everyone, from the least to the greatest[b]. I teach nothing except what the prophets and Moses said would happen— that the Messiah would suffer and be the first to rise from the dead, and in this way announce God’s light to Jews and Gentiles alike.[/b]”
The above scripture is impregnated with lots of meaning...
.lemme say this ;No prophet or apostle emerges in the new testament without linking his calling from the old testament...including our Lord Jesus Christ... As a matter of fact, the entire new testament is the fulfillment of old testament prophecies, revelations, vision, prophecies that were generated or recorded from apostles, and leaders of the church with proven track records...

2. You also commented that we are a royal priesthood...1Peter 2:9/..it is one thing to know this scripture, it is another thing for you to operate in the light of the scripture...
If I may ask, how far have you gone in your priesthood work, and how has been your royalty experience in Christ Jesus....?
It is easy for you to quote this scripture but walking in the light of this scripture is what make your entire argument acceptable...and if you say that work in the light of this scripture, you must have evidence or proofs around you, ...pls share such proofs with me and I will accept all you have been saying but if you don't have any proof concerning this scripture,..I will implore you to shred all your points and throw them into the trash can....because you have a long way to go...

I will wait to read your experience of about 1 Peter 2:9 or.....

Oracleforce:


Bro.,
Apostle Paul.prayer for the People.of Ephesus is this:

I also pray that you will understand the incredible greatness of God’s power for us who believe him. This is the same mighty power
Ephesians 1:19 NLT

After reading your comment I discovered that it abusive, evasive and void basic understanding of the scripture...
it dawns on me that your aim is just to justifies your point either wrongly or rightly....

Lemme quickly highlight some of the points you made

1.that we are in the new covenant in Christ....bro. For the fact that we are in the new testament doesn't override old testament blessings and teachings
Pls read what apostle Paul says in Act of the Apostles 26:22-23 NLT
"But God has protected me right up to this present time so I can testify to everyone, from the least to the greatest[b]. I teach nothing except what the prophets and Moses said would happen— that the Messiah would suffer and be the first to rise from the dead, and in this way announce God’s light to Jews and Gentiles alike.[/b]”
The above scripture is impregnated with lots of meaning...
.lemme say this ;No prophet or apostle emerges in the new testament without linking his calling from the old testament...including our Lord Jesus Christ... As a matter of fact, the entire new testament is the fulfillment of old testament prophecies, revelations, vision, prophecies that were generated or recorded from apostles, and leaders of the church with proven track records...

2. You also commented that we are a royal priesthood...1Peter 2:9/..it is one thing to know this scripture, it is another thing for you to operate in the light of the scripture...
If I may ask, how far have you gone in your priesthood work, and how has been your royalty experience in Christ Jesus....?
It is easy for you to quote this scripture but walking in the light of this scripture is what make your entire argument acceptable...and if you say that work in the light of this scripture, you must have evidence or proofs around you, ...pls share such proofs with me and I will accept all you have been saying but if you don't have any proof concerning this scripture,..I will implore you to shred all your points and throw them into the trash can....because you have a long way to go...

I will wait to read your experience of about 1 Peter 2:9 or.....

1.that we are in the new covenant in Christ....bro. For the fact that we are in the new testament doesn't override old testament blessings and teachings

This above statement shows me that I have been flogging a dead horse all along. You just contradicted your self again...
Bro, the new covenant overrides the old covenant.
Christ fulfilled the law.. Do you know what fulfilled means?
Now lemme teach you.. Fulfilled means he completed the essence of the old law. He himself overrided it so many times. The old covenant is expired. Do I need to show u scriptures? But from past post, I know it will make no difference to you. You are stuck with the lies told to you from birth. The essence of the old testament still points to him. Now you have him, so why go back to the old ways.?
I know you cannot understand... Maybe someday you will or maybe, never in your lifetime.
See bro, I do not blame you at all, but your pastors.
You cannot see more than what you were taught by these ignorant guys.
You think being of a royal priesthood means I should have a large church following with orchestrated miracles as proof... Lol, very funny...

I bet you cannot distinguish between Judaism and Christianity..or between Bible and scriptures. Your type will think David and Elijah were Christians... I laugh and loudly so

genkins:


1.that we are in the new covenant in Christ....bro. For the fact that we are in the new testament doesn't override old testament blessings and teachings

This above statement shows me that I have been flogging a dead horse all along. You just contradicted your self again...
Bro, the new covenant overrides the old covenant.
Christ fulfilled the law.. Do you know what fulfilled means?
Now lemme teach you.. Fulfilled means he completed the essence of the old law. He himself overrided it so many times. The old covenant is expired. Do I need to show u scriptures? But from past post, I know it will make no difference to you. You are stuck with the lies told to you from birth. The essence of the old testament still points to him. Now you have him, so why go back to the old ways.?
I know you cannot understand... Maybe someday you will or maybe, never in your lifetime.
See bro, I do not blame you at all, but your pastors.
You cannot see more than what you were taught by these ignorant guys.
You think being of a royal priesthood means I should have a large church following with orchestrated miracles as proof... Lol, very funny...

I bet you cannot distinguish between Judaism and Christianity..or between Bible and scriptures. Your type will think David and Elijah were Christians... I laugh and loudly so

Acts 18:6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Your orientation and focus is about church pastor's misdemeanor....neglecting your own faith and .forgetting that we will all appear before judgment sits individual and not corporately and each will give an account of what he has done with his or her body on earth...

"being of a royal priesthood means I should have a large church following with orchestrated miracles as proof... Lol, very funny.."

(is this what a royal priesthood means to you? )

If you are to share your practical experience of your royal priesthood in Christ with some unbelievers or young believers, what will you say?

Oracleforce:


Acts 18:6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Your orientation and focus is about church pastor's misdemeanor....neglecting your own faith and .forgetting that we will all appear before judgment sits individual and not corporately and each will give an account of what he has done with his or her body on earth...

"being of a royal priesthood means I should have a large church following with orchestrated miracles as proof... Lol, very funny.."

(is this what a royal priesthood means to you? )

If you are to share your practical experience of your royal priesthood in Christ with some unbelievers or young believers, what will you say?

Bro, I do not get you.. The discussion was about pastors being criticized. So how did it get to my own practical experience as a priest under christ?
So who is evading? Is it a tactical maneuver?

I guess you think pastors are our priests today... They've lied to you bro...you think the person on the pulpit has a higher grace than you... Lol.. The've finished you with lies.

Take some knowledge =Most people do not know that the Bible contains two religions.. Judaism and Christianity... Nigerian pastors who are mostly daft or ignorant mix the two 2gether...

"being of a royal priesthood means I should have a large church following with orchestrated miracles as proof... Lol, very funny.."
(is this what a royal priesthood means to you? )

Did u intentionally ommit the "you think" at the start of the sentence to change its mockery of what u might be thinking?

genkins:


Bro, I do not get you.. The discussion was about pastors being criticized. So how did it get to my own practical experience as a priest under christ?
So who is evading? Is it a tactical maneuver?

I guess you think pastors are our priests today... They've lied to you bro...you think the person on the pulpit has a higher grace than you... Lol.. The've finished you with lies.

Take some knowledge =Most people do not know that the Bible contains two religions. Judaism and Christianity... Nigerian pastors who are mostly daft or ignorant mix the two 2gether...

"being of a royal priesthood means I should have a large church following with orchestrated miracles as proof... Lol, very funny.."
(is this what a royal priesthood means to you? )

Did u intentionally omit the "you think" at the start of the sentence to change its mockery of what u might be thinking?

I want to be as practical as possible....from your last comment, you said, we all have the same grace....and you also said, we are royal priesthood....fine!

Lemme now be practical here, there are different kinds of drivers, nurses, computer expert, doctor, etc....but what differentiates them is the level of in-depth knowledge in their fields and various exploit, adventure, and accomplishment they have gone through over the years...

I'm not a pastor- worshiper, I worship God almighty but there is nothing bad in coveting the grace upon a servant of God with a proven track record...
Matthew 25:7-9 NLT “All the bridesmaids got up and prepared their lamps. Then the five foolish ones asked the others, ‘Please give us some of your oil because our lamps are going out.’ “But the others replied, ‘We don’t have enough for all of us. Go to a shop and buy some for yourselves.’

Figuratively, there is always a time in ones life and in every field you will go and buy oil from those who have more than enough oil to give. and that's why Jesus call people to himself in book of John 7:37 because he has more than enough oil to offer them...however, you also are potential oil-giver IF you can pay the price...

Hear this: some scriptural promises might not find expression in your life until you pay the price...God will never cast his pearl before swine
It is easy to quote 1 Peter 2:9....royal priesthood...but check the spiritual gifts and grace upon a royal priesthood in your life if you have really attain to what you are quoting...
Quoting and talk is cheap....however, every position you occupy has its responsibility and price tag...
Salvation is free but God grace grows base on your relentless efforts

Oracleforce:


I want to be as practical as possible....from your last comment, you said, we all have the same grace....and you also said, we are royal priesthood....fine!

Lemme now be practical here, there are different kinds of drivers, nurses, computer expert, doctor, etc....but what differentiates them is the level of in-depth knowledge in their fields and various exploit, adventure, and accomplishment they have gone through over the years...

I'm not a pastor- worshiper, I worship God almighty but there is nothing bad in coveting the grace upon a servant of God with a proven track record...
Matthew 25:7-9 NLT “All the bridesmaids got up and prepared their lamps. Then the five foolish ones asked the others, ‘Please give us some of your oil because our lamps are going out.’ “But the others replied, ‘We don’t have enough for all of us. Go to a shop and buy some for yourselves.’

Figuratively, there is always a time in ones life and in every field you will go and buy oil from those who have more than enough oil to give. and that's why Jesus call people to himself in book of John 7:37 because he has more than enough oil to offer them...however, you also are potential oil-giver IF you can pay the price...

Hear this: some scriptural promises might not find expression in your life until you pay the price...God will never cast his pearl before swine
It is easy to quote 1 Peter 2:9....royal priesthood...but check the spiritual gifts and grace upon a royal priesthood in your life if you have really attain to what you are quoting...
Quoting and talk is cheap....however, every position you occupy has its responsibility and price tag...
Salvation is free but God grace grows base on your relentless efforts

SMH, like I said before,it's like flogging a dead horse. You are comparing 'the Christian experience' with God's grace.Now,that is laughable and like I said before, the blame is not on you.
That somebody is good at preaching or that he had been preaching for 30yrs means he has a higher grace than somebody that just started prophesying yesterday is the height of falsehood. That one person demonstrates more spiritual gifts than another makes him have more grace than the other.. Hahahahaha...

You think they(pastors) are different because they claim
An in-depth knowledge of scripture, choreograph miracles, spew predictions as prophecy... Etc
The funny thing is even in the preaching, your pastors are preaching nonsense(motivation and prosperity) (little wonder they all hear from different spirits).
That's not grace my dear. GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO DIE FOR OUR SINS...
now my dear, that is grace equal and available to the world,though unmerited.


Figuratively, there is always a time in ones life and in every field you will go and buy oil from those who have more than enough oil to give. and that's why Jesus call people to himself in book of John 7:37 because he has more than enough oil to offer them...however, you also are potential oil-giver IF you can pay the price...

Hahahaha, funny.. Is this your pastors interpretation of that scripture? Lol...
No wonder they give you the impression that they have paid the price spiritually, that for you to tap into thier grace you have to pay with money and make several sacrifices... Lol... Office oo

genkins:


SMH, like I said before,it's like flogging a dead horse. You are comparing 'the Christian experience' with God's grace.Now,that is laughable and like I said before, the blame is not on you.
That somebody is good at preaching or that he had been preaching for 30yrs means he has a higher grace than somebody that just started prophesying yesterday is the height of falsehood. That one person demonstrates more spiritual gifts than another makes him have more grace than the other.. Hahahahaha...

You think they(pastors) are different because they claim
An in-depth knowledge of scripture, choreograph miracles, spew predictions as prophecy... Etc
The funny thing is even in the preaching, your pastors are preaching nonsense(motivation and prosperity) (little wonder they all hear from different spirits).
That's not grace my dear. GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO DIE FOR OUR SINS...
now my dear, that is grace equal and available to the world,though unmerited.


Figuratively, there is always a time in ones life and in every field you will go and buy oil from those who have more than enough oil to give. and that's why Jesus call people to himself in book of John 7:37 because he has more than enough oil to offer them...however, you also are potential oil-giver IF you can pay the price...

Hahahaha, funny. Is this your pastor's interpretation of that scripture? Lol...
No wonder they give you the impression that they have paid the price spiritually, that for you to tap into their grace you have to pay with money and make several sacrifices... Lol... Office oo

Since you have it all needing nothing and you have all grace to overcome territories and kingdom...
And one of the attributes of a royal priesthood is to take territories and to rule as priesthood and royal hood, Show me your reigning and royal proof...
Or are you a king without territory?

Oracleforce:


Since you have it all needing nothing and you have all grace to overcome territories and kingdom...
And one of the attributes of a royal priesthood is to take territories and to rule as priesthood and royal hood, Show me your reigning and royal proof...
Or are you a king without territory?

You think the church is physical? You think our priesthood is earthly? Smh

genkins:


You think the church is physical? Do you think our priesthood is earthly? Smh

....Always Evasive and dodgy....so obvious.

..just show me some of the territories you have used your royal priesthood to occupy for the kingdom of God pending when Christ will come back to reign on earth. After all, Jesus says, occupy till I come...


Christianity is not a theory or hypothesis. It is neither by possessing good writing skills or oratory skill ...it is more practical than just propounding. thesis, theories, and dissertation.....

Bible says, "/by their fruits, you shall know them.....you become Christian with the seed of proofs and track records.....

Back to the topic of argument; bad or fake pastors, General-overseer is not my focus in Christianity. We all have our cross to carry.
I always have it at the back of my mind that we will all bear account of stewardship before the judgment seat either good or bad.

Oracleforce:



....Always Evasive and dodgy....so obvious.

..just show me some of the territories you have used your royal priesthood to occupy for the kingdom of God pending when Christ will come back to reign on earth. After all, Jesus says, occupy till I come...


Christianity is not a theory or hypothesis. It is neither by possessing good writing skills or oratory skill ...it is more practical than just propounding. thesis, theories, and dissertation.....

Bible says, "/by their fruits, you shall know them.....you become Christian with the seed of proofs and track records.....

Back to the topic of argument; bad or fake pastors, General-overseer is not my focus in Christianity. We all have our cross to carry.
I always have it at the back of my mind that we will all bear account of stewardship before the judgment seat either good or bad.

You think our royal priesthood is here on earth?