illicit:
We go nowhere....

iyambz:
1. The second coming of Christ is different from the rapture. The second coming is when the saints return with Christ. You’ll see that in Rev 19. (I thess 4:13-18) is the rapture.
2. When a Christian dies, his soul goes to be with the Lord, awaiting rapture for the redemption of his body. See (Rom 8 ) to understand the redemption of the body. (1 Cor 15:51-53) will tell you about that mystery.
3. When a lost man dies, he goes to hell, awaiting judgement.
4. The passage you put up on Rev 20 is the second resurrection, also known as the resurrection of the dead. This will be the lost people that died from Adam to the end of the millennial reign of Christ. That’s why the ones in hell will come out for judgement, after that they will be thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is different from hell.
5. These will take a lot of time to put you through. If you need to know, send me a pm, when i have time, i will put you through it.

Raddie:
Where did your chicken go?

Deborah98:
My dear I'm still looking for answers to this question. @righetousness 2 can help us out.

MaxInDHouse:
I am Maximus, one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, would you like if i join in the ongoing discussion?

sonmvayina:
Death is only a change of world....from the physical or material to the spiritual..

We are made up of spirit from God the father and body from God the mother(mother nature) who provided the dust for the body. When we die our silpirit becomes one with God the father who gave it and our body becomes one with God the mother who gave it...


Back to default..

Nazgul:
Good morning and happy Sunday. This question has really been bothering me cos we've been made to believe that once a person dies, he'll either go to heaven or hell. But the Bible is saying something totally different.

Let's observe these three scriptures.

1Thessalonians 4:16-17
King James Version
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Revelation 20:13-15
13 [a]And the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 [b]And death, and hell were cast into the lake of fire: this is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the lake of fire.

[b] Matthew 22:23-46
23 (A)On that day some (B)Sadducees (who say (C)there is no resurrection) came to [a]Jesus and questioned Him, 24 saying, “Teacher, Moses said, ‘(D)If a man dies having no children, his brother as next of kin shall marry his wife, and raise up children for his brother.’ 25 Now there were seven brothers among us; and the first married and died, and having no [c]children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 It was the same also with the second brother, and the third, down to the seventh. 27 Last of all, the woman died. 28 In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had her in marriage.”

29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, (E)since you do not [d]understand the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither (F)marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32 ‘(G)I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” 33 When the crowds heard this, (H)they were astonished at His teaching.


In the first scripture it talked about the rapture. The second coming of Christ. It says the dead in Christ shall rise first, meaning when people die good or bad, they remain the in ground according to that passage pending when the trumpet shall sound. But this contradicts what we were taught in Sunday School that once you die and you're a Christian you'll find yourself in Paradise.

The second passage confirmed the first passage that there are actually people in the ground whose souls are waiting for judgement. It says the sea gave up the dead, meaning those who died and we're buried in the earth, those buried in the water or anywhere else would be resurrected on the last day to face judgement. Here also doesn't speak of the dead immediately going to heaven or hell upon death.

Finally the last passage was an answer Jesus was giving to the Sadducees. He made them understand that even though there's a resurrection it would happen on the last day and not immediately after death.

My question is If the dead are already in heaven as we're made to believe, how do they rise at the second coming?

Or would they descend from heaven back to their graves on earth then resurrect to face the last judgement?

If all the evil people are already in hell, why will the sea and the earth give up the dead in them for judgement and why will the book of life be opened to check if their names are written on it since they've already been jugded and thrown into hell?

I'll like to be clarified on this issue.

Cc lalasticlala mynd44 Dominique

Nazgul:

My question is If the dead are already in heaven as we're made to believe, how do they rise at the second coming?

Or would they descend from heaven back to their graves on earth then resurrect to face the last judgement?

If all the evil people are already in hell, why will the sea and the earth give up the dead in them for judgement and why will the book of life be opened to check if their names are written on it since they've already been jugded and thrown into hell?

Nazgul:
Are you a Christian

Nazgul:
Good morning and happy Sunday. This question has really been bothering me cos we've been made to believe that once a person dies, he'll either go to heaven or hell. But the Bible is saying something totally different.

Liposure:
The spirit is the real you (soul). The body on the other hand is just a physical component that dissolves after death

illicit:



That depends on who is asking....

Nazgul:

I'm the one asking.

MaxInDHouse:


God never promised anyone heaven, the permanent destination God planned for mankind is Earth {Psalms 115:16} Adam's sin brought oldage, sickness and death upon all his descendants that's why we're dying {Romans 5:12} Jesus' assignment is to reconcile humans back to God by [1]Teaching us how to please God [2]Sacrificing his perfect human life to pay off our sin [3]Set up a government that will rule us for 1,000 years and lead us to perfection.
This government supposed to be stationed in Jerusalem {Isaiah 2:4} but the Jews profaned the city by killing God's servants and finally Jesus' was Condemned in the same city. So God Condemned Jerusalem! Matthew 23:37-38
God foresaw what the Jews will do and show his son (Jesus) who told his disciples the evil that will befall Jerusalem {Matthew 24:2} that's what brought grief to the minds of his disciples so Jesus has to tell them that he is going to prepare another place where the government seat will be established (heaven) John 14:1-4

So it's just the limited number that will rule with Jesus that's going to heaven not all good people, for your information none of those who lived before John the baptist is going there! Matthew 11:11


All dead people will remain in their graves until Jesus comes to take away his limited corulers, after that Jesus and this born again Christians will come back (as spirit forces) to destroy all none Christians, while the living Christians will be alive with nothing to shake them {Psalm 91:7} then comes the time to resurrect people back to life on earth {Revelations 20:13} all those destroyed by God's judgment will not be resurrected only people who had no opportunity of hearing God's warning but it's the Christians who had died that must be resurrected first to welcome these ones. Then the Christians will begin a global preaching and teaching work that will not be distracted by false religions {Revelations 20:3} this will continue for 1,000 years until all those on planet earth become perfect, no oldage, sickness or death will cause any stress or grief for people that time. That's the meaning of 1,000 year reign of Christ because it's only Jesus' teachings that the whole earth will be studying throughout that time!


It's misinformed Churchgoers teaching that people are going to a place of torment, the Bible book of Revelation was written in signs and symbols so it's not to be taken literally, God has no intention of tormenting people in fire {Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5} after the 1,000 years of intense training everyone will become perfect like Adam, only those who failed to comply with the teachings will die (as youths) when they're 100 years of age {Isaiah 65:20} the rest will survive and nobody will grow old or sick. Then Jesus must release Satan and the demons to come and tempt people for the last time {Revelations 20:3} This is necessary as most of us are blaming Adam and Eve today saying "if i was the one God gave all those goodies, i will never disobey my God" so the stage will be set to come and prove yourself. The only people who won't experience this are those limited number that Jesus has taken to heaven with him {Revelations 20:5-6} all those on planet earth by then are still not qualified until Satan is destroyed for good. Then God will declare everlasting life for all of us {Revelation 21:3-4} if you will like to know more about this wonderful program please contact JWs in your area for more information.

For now we're passing through the darkest period in the history of mankind, i pray to see you there when all things has become new in PARADISE! Luke 23:43

felong:

If God is the owner of this world and everything belongs to him, why is life so hard.

MaxInDHouse:
The first human pair rebelled against God, we are reaping the consequences of their rebellious act!

felong:

If God is the owner of this world and everything belongs to him, why is life so hard.

sonmvayina:

Read that slowly...and see if it makes any sense to you..

sonmvayina:

Is life hard?...or you are just looking for who to blame for your poor life choices...
Life is about making choices, you should not blame any body when you make the wrong ones..
Making choices is God greatest gift to humans. It is what sets us apart from spirits..

MaxInDHouse:
It makes perfect sense to me but if you feel like showing the flaws please do, but avoid abusive speeches because that will irritate me and make me stop chatting with you.
So you're welcome to point out the flaws, let's reason together!