mtisTheQubit:


say what!

Im talking about Ahoboy who blames the genocide rape and murder in Africa happening today on White people alone...........I never denied colonisation was an evil practise but to blame everything bad happening on our continent today on colonisation instead of our own leaders is ridicules and backwords

jl115:
All races are barbaric or have barbaric history.........that's human nature

Yo chill out.

gallivant:




Just because you are still hunting albinos in Tz doesnt give you the right to speak on behalf of Africa. You are the only barbaric/primitive society left on this side of the continent.

kazi said ths folks are shitholes ..now i know who the shitholes are...ths barbaric folks who hunt others for sacrifice ..Kind of reminds of our neighbors

gallivant:


Yo chill out.

Im chilled boet having a good debate

mtisTheQubit:

an kazikazi logs off

jl115:
Im chilled boet having a good debate

I know, dont ruin it with blanket statements like all Africans were barbaric; that's just West Africans and Zulus. Loving the debate though.

mtisTheQubit:


kazi said ths folks are shitholes ..now i know who the shitholes are...ths barbaric folks who hunt others for sacrifice ..Kind of reminds of our neighbors

jl115:
I was banned that's why.........Secondly you are believing in a dude that claims the Earth is flat, Nazis were black, reptilians and believes in Unicorns.

And yes human sacrifice in Africa is very well documented as well in ancient Benin

Only became documented by the British when they wanted to take over Benin as a colony before then no Portuguese or Dutch explorer mentioned anything the British had a habit of blacklisting and demonising Africans before taking over

jl115:
At first Abohboy denies Africans ever traded slaves......yet now he even states African had white slave(this is true btw)

In America dumbass

jl115:
You said there was no slavery in Africa before Europeans came to Africa?

We’re talking about the americas not africa dumbass

kikuyu1:


YOU'VE forgotten ALREADY!? There was no mfecane wherein Shakas' empire building supposedly killed 2 mn Africans .
Firstly that would've been 50% of the entire population at the time. Here's an academic breakdown of that myth.


[url][/https://www.jstor.org/stable/182353?seq=1]



It's complete BS! Like the empty land myth: they say when the Dutch landed in Cape Town in 1652 the whole land was empty. When you ask why then were they in conflict with the Khoi Khoi a mere DECADE after their arrival you hear crickets!

Thanks for that
The guy resorted to insults when he couldn't counter facts

jl115:
From Benin scripture........they worshiped the God of Iron

Benin had no form of writing until the British came so stfu with your lies this is actually funny Benin scripture huh. They never had any form of writing this benin bronzes was their form of marking history so stop lying human sacrifices was British propaganda created to demonise African empires

Kazikazi:
Africans were barbaric and are still barbaric today.
All these stories of ritual killings tells you how some folks are shitholes and barbaric

Guy shut up your just a he white washed baboon

jl115:
And? did Africans invent there own Electricity, Internet, Tarmac and Tv... ...Colonisation in Africa lasted till the 1960s

No we didn’t but the point is we were developed to a high standard before they came and things liek the slave trade, constant attack from the British and colonisation stalled our industriousness

jl115:
Your precious Benin kingdom for one practised slavery............must I name more? because I can

Also there were many barbaric African societies........the Mfecane is a great example of that!!

Many you have consistently mentioned one also you haven’t provided evidence British missionaries is not evidence because they were angry at Benin for stopping trade with them which is why they labeled them as cannibals, murderers, savages, etc shall I go on

Abohboy:


You haven’t brought facts either you just bring quotes I also brought quotes of Dutch and Portuguese explorers who went there but you don’t believe them. It is called selective acceptance. You accept what you want and leave the rest I can post the pictures again. The society was conducted in such a way that there was no need for doors not because they didn’t know what they were or how t9 use them but because there was so little crime and robbery in the area. They had long straight roads, tall walls and metal poles to light the streets. They had very shiny houses and all the roads were very clean these are accounts from the 1400s - 1600s

Boko Haram captures army personnel carrier for military

jl115:
I brought actual citations from reputable news outlets......I also posted several sources on the post that got me banned.

And FYI I never denied Africa didn't have extremely advanced societies like the Benin kingdom or Zimbabwean kingdom.

What im saying is Africa had slavery, murder, genocide, rape ect ect long before the colonisers came............YOU have a victim mentality and want to blame the failings of your own people on the Whitey to make yourself feel better.

I don’t want to blame the failings of my people on the whitey but you cannot lie thst the whitey stalled our development, and used religion as a tool to keep us in mental servitude and in top of that European explorers at the time documented how much little crime, robbery, murder etc. We’re going on at the time not only in Benin kingdom but also in the Asante kingdom as well as Oyo empire.

jl115:
Im talking about Ahoboy who blames the genocide rape and murder in Africa happening today on White people alone...........I never denied colonisation was an evil practise but to blame everything bad happening on our continent today on colonisation instead of our own leaders is ridicules and backwords

I don’t blame everything but look at what you guys did to Patrice lumumba, Thomas sankara, supporting civil wars in Africa including the biafra civil war, the coups you supported against good leaders like Kwame Nkrumah and shagari, your evils have been going since the slave trade and till today. The one agenda of the whitey has been to stall development in Africa.

I’m not saying all genocides etc are caused by the whites and I’m not saying it didn’t happen. But the scale it is happening at today can only be attributed to the introduction of western customs and civilization to Africa. Robbery and murder were a lot less rampant within Africa especially west Africa before they came with civilization this is very clear and evident by any mentions of scholars at the time who visited these great African empires.

gallivant:


I know, dont ruin it with blanket statements like all Africans were barbaric; that's just West Africans and Zulus. Loving the debate though.

West Africans are not barbaric stop with this nonsense we had a lot greater empires the. East Africa ever did and our empires developed without Arabic or European input unlike the greatest empires in east Africa. West Africa has a greater and more developed history. East Africans if anything were a lot more barbaric except the Ethiopians, Sudanese and Somalis but Kenya, Tanzania etc. They were barbaric no question. At least some of them the buganda people of modern day Uganda were highly educated on modern anatomy and were able to carry out successful c sections before much of Europe could.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:


Boko Haram captures army personnel carrier for military

We’re not even talking about please leave unless you have something productive to say your actually starting to piss me and all the other west Africans here with your incessant trolling

Abohboy:


West Africans are not barbaric stop with this nonsense we had a lot greater empires the. East Africa ever did and our empires developed without Arabic or European input unlike the greatest empires in east Africa. West Africa has a greater and more developed history. East Africans if anything were a lot more barbaric except the Ethiopians, Sudanese and Somalis but Kenya, Tanzania etc. They were barbaric no question. At least some of them the buganda people of modern day Uganda were highly educated on modern anatomy and were able to carry out successful c sections before much of Europe could.

So just because a Kenyan an a Tanzanian posted something here their countries becomes barbaric..but wait, not Ethiopians,Sudanese and Somalis .. They are cool guys..I feel like your arguments are driven by emotions ..
First there were no countries called Kenya or Tanzania at that time ..An talking of being barbaric, who were selling their brothers to white folks..please dont deny it..i got a map an a photo for evidence...

mtisTheQubit:



So just because a Kenyan an a Tanzanian posted something here their country becomes barbaric..but wait, not Ethiopians,Sudanese and Somalis .. They are cool guys..I feel like your arguments are driven by emotions ..
First there were no countries called Kenya or Tanzania at that time ..An talking of being barbaric, who were selling their brothers to white folks..please dont deny it..i got a map an a photo for evidence...

Okay I was just mildly annoyed I’ve had a long day and I’m genuinely just pissed off by some of the stupidity here and gallivants comment just pissed me off way too much. Nobody is denying the trans Atlantic slave trade but what I meant was most Kenyan and Tanzanian empires ( areas in those present day countries ) that had great empires and societies were ijmfkuenced by Islam those Influenced by local African traditions and cultures were a lot,less developed when compared to their west African counterparts. Ethiopia was one of the only ones in Africa that built a great society pre Christianity and Islam

mtisTheQubit:



So just because a Kenyan an a Tanzanian posted something here their countries becomes barbaric..but wait, not Ethiopians,Sudanese and Somalis .. They are cool guys..I feel like your arguments are driven by emotions ..
First there were no countries called Kenya or Tanzania at that time ..An talking of being barbaric, who were selling their brothers to white folks..please dont deny it..i got a map an a photo for evidence...

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Over several centuries countless East Africans were sold as slaves by Muslim Arabs to the Middle East and other places via the Sahara desert and Indian Ocean. Experts say it is time for this to be discussed more openly.
The island of Zanzibar is today considered one of East Africa's best destinations: white sandy beaches, crystal clear waters and hotels offer tourists from all over the world a holiday to remember.

Long forgotten is the dark past that overshadowed this sunny paradise 200 years ago. The archipelago, which today is a semi-autonomous part of Tanzania, was then regarded as the center of the East African slave trade.

Abohboy:


I don’t blame everything but look at what you guys did to Patrice lumumba, Thomas sankara, supporting civil wars in Africa including the biafra civil war, the coups you supported against good leaders like Kwame Nkrumah and shagari, your evils have been going since the slave trade and till today. The one agenda of the whitey has been to stall development in Africa.

I’m not saying all genocides etc are caused by the whites and I’m not saying it didn’t happen. But the scale it is happening at today can only be attributed to the introduction of western customs and civilization to Africa. Robbery and murder were a lot less rampant within Africa especially west Africa before they came with civilization this is very clear and evident by any mentions of scholars at the time who visited these great African empires.

case and point

gallivant:


I know, dont ruin it with blanket statements like all Africans were barbaric; that's just West Africans and Zulus. Loving the debate though.

I said all races have had barbaric history.............I never said all Africans were barbaric..........read before making false statements

Abohboy:


Only became documented by the British when they wanted to take over Benin as a colony before then no Portuguese or Dutch explorer mentioned anything the British had a habit of blacklisting and demonising Africans before taking over

It was mentioned by Benin scripture not by the British........also there is physical evidence of human sacrifice

Abohboy:


We’re talking about the americas not africa dumbass

OMG you are ret@rded!!

tylann:

Thanks for that
The guy resorted to insults when he couldn't counter facts

the Mfecane isn't an insult but a historical fact............you sound like some of those Apartheid deniers we have in SA

Appisko:
y

Over several centuries countless East Africans were sold as slaves by Muslim Arabs to the Middle East and other places via the Sahara desert and Indian Ocean. Experts say it is time for this to be discussed more openly.
The island of Zanzibar is today considered one of East Africa's best destinations: white sandy beaches, crystal clear waters and hotels offer tourists from all over the world a holiday to remember.

Long forgotten is the dark past that overshadowed this sunny paradise 200 years ago. The archipelago, which today is a semi-autonomous part of Tanzania, was then regarded as the center of the East African slave trade.

Yes there was slavery in the coastal areas of east Africa but can't compare with the scale of the trans-Atlantic one...By the way the slave traders did not venture a inland ( Kenya ) because of the fear of the Maasais...

but lets talk about the west african one which to my view was really really twisted

When the British extended their rule to south-eastern Nigeria in the late 19th Century and early 20th Century, they began to enforce abolition through military action.

But by using force rather than persuasion, many local people may not have understood that abolition was about the dignity of humankind and not a mere change in economic policy that affected demand and supply.

"We think this trade must go on," one local king in Bonny infamously said in the 19th Century.That is the verdict of our oracle and our priests. They say that your country, however great, can never stop a trade ordained by God."

We cant blame all the sh*.t which was going only to white folks

Abohboy:


Okay I was just mildly annoyed I’ve had a long day and I’m genuinely just pissed off by some of the stupidity here and gallivants comment just pissed me off way too much. Nobody is denying the trans Atlantic slave trade but what I meant was most Kenyan and Tanzanian empires ( areas in those present day countries ) that had great empires and societies were ijmfkuenced by Islam those Influenced by local African traditions and cultures were a lot,less developed when compared to their west African counterparts. Ethiopia was one of the only ones in Africa that built a great society pre Christianity and Islam

Ok just chill...or maybe get a nice sleep..tomorrow is another day..fresh one i say

Abohboy:


Benin had no form of writing until the British came so stfu with your lies this is actually funny Benin scripture huh. They never had any form of writing this benin bronzes was their form of marking history so stop lying human sacrifices was British propaganda created to demonise African empires

SMH!! scripture doesn't necessary mean written words.......

Abohboy:


No we didn’t but the point is we were developed to a high standard before they came and things liek the slave trade, constant attack from the British and colonisation stalled our industriousness

Slave trade existed in Africa centuries before colonisation and no one disputed that there weren't advanced civilisations in Africa.......