ToyinDipo come and answer o

DamnnNiggarr:
you practically know everything.,
Hmmm! I'm beginning to think that you're a real niggarr.

Any means to contact you??

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JohnCloud:


It is not flawed.

It depends on the project you are working on. You are seeing frontend as just a rendering platform.
Your project determines that.

Example, what if based on your project you want to just use a 3rd-party to save/retrieve data and use a backend-service as a proxy?

You need to work on variety of projects to understand that one does not outweigh the other, but most times the backend has to do more because more projects want to take off the heavy lifting from the frontend.

Also, I understand you are going deep to DDD. This is high level logic and the context is not design, but rather comparison between frontend and backend.

I have never said backend was harder than frontend, only a newbie will say that. I am only trying to clear the assumptions of "backend is easier"
Also, no matter your project, even if the frontend will just show random pictures of cats uploaded by a guest, zero logins, you shouldnt put that logic there. Worst case scenario, spin up a cloud function in seconds and allow the function do the upload and retrieval of cat pictures.
The frontend should be used for what is is strictly, user interface and experience. Game over!

You guys have started with your blasphemy again. Till I go dig up another survey that says otherwise. Nigerians just jump into conclusion about something they have little or no idea about.

chingle5:


Which one is backend capturing the entire business logic...... In fact that your example is actually the reverse u backend developers are actually the shoe shiner and we the frontend developers are the shoemaker coz we create the product while u people just come from nowhere to just come and be updating one yeye database and throwing request from one place to another place base on CRUD in fact u guys are the shoe shiner

Oya go and build a dynamic website using frontend only... Something that I can even use prebuilt templates to do. Mtcheeew.
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Don't go and disgrace yourself in front of webdevelopers, nobody will take you seriously again.

Did you just start taking tutorials at W3schools?

KaluwisxPRO:


Backend has nothing to do with codes, but interactions. It handles the request. In your ATM scenario case, backend developers are the bridge between your card issuer, and your bank e.g, backend job is to read the data on the card, translate it to what has been requested, and provide the funds. It also handles pin verification, as well as match the info on card to account owner. Those are some of the Jobs being handled by backend, not some written codes as done in frontend.

Obviously, you are still stuck in the Sagem myx-5 era and have not
written a line of code in your life.
Please SCRAM!!!

Mac2016:
Anyone that can crack Prota steel design suite here?
Also I have an issue. I uninstall a software and install again but pc still reads it that my system has used the software before.
Anyone versatile with cracked prota structure with active steel designer on windows 10 here?

Not so versatile with Prota structure per se. But I understand the challenge you have. What version of Prota Structure do you have installed?

EzzyCarter:





Motherfcker

lol

I do both and I must say, the front end is trickier. Only a rookie will think front end is just css. The front end is basically the entire face of the application and the link between the user and the server!

The backend is purely logical, but the front end is a combination of logic and skill

Note: I develop web and mobile applications

Both are damn hard on real enterprise applications. I don't know what is with us Nigerians and useless bias.

CSTRR:
A customer will tell the front-dev that they don't like the background-color of a website or the arrangement .

He would have to modify and modify hundreds of codes.

in the meantime, a back-end dev has done his Job and gone to sleep.

I've read three of your posts on this topic and you have made very salient intelligent points. There's always the argument of who is more important between FE and BE devs. I think they are both similarly important albeit in different aspects.

On this comment of yours, customers can live without "fancy" front end. SMS Bank Alert notifications come in very bland SMS text. No colours or anything fancy. Whereas if the backend erroneously calculated the customers balance there would be war.

A lot of development has become lazy pushing a lot of work to the clients computers. Try and deploy NoScript plug-in for Chrome and Firefox and see how that fancy FE becomes crippled

nosagold:
I do both and I must say, the front end is trickier. Only a rookie will think front end is just css. The front end is basically the entire face of the application and the link between the user and the server!

The backend is purely logical, but the front end is a combination of logic and skill

Note: I develop web and mobile applications

You are very right bro. I recently worked on the frontend for one enterprise project (> 57 countries) and that opened my eyes. The requirement of the UI alone means you can't use any framework and we had to build a lot from scratch targeting different browsers implementations. Is it about crazy async logic, or stale data monitoring. Only naïve devs will say frontend is just HTML, CSS and JS.

airsaylongcome:


I've read three of your posts on this topic and you have made very salient intelligent points. There's always the argument of who is more important between FE and BE devs. I think they are both similarly important albeit in different aspects.

On this comment of yours, customers can live without "fancy" front end. SMS Bank Alert notifications come in very bland SMS text. No colours or anything fancy. Whereas if the backend erroneously calculated the customers balance there would be war

How about things like data validation, api calls, data structure for full applications before you go into presentation. The days when front end was about background color are long gone

CSTRR:

I know back end devs that think front-end is harder.
It is not easy to design beauty. It takes a special kind of talent.

Back-end is like maths. Anybody can solve maths.
Front-end is like architecture.
Architecture uses both sides of the brain. Architecture is harder.

If you indeed know back end, you'd know backend itself is architecture unless you are still writing spaghetti codes.

for those built blogs

try build a secured payment system

Frontend is just to display data naa

post=98220234:
This is another way we make some cool stuffs online @[/b],
To answer your question....
[b]Backend programmers are paid more simply because they handle way more.
Frontend deals with only a few aspects of development: CSS, HTML, and JS.
And more about Front end web development is a good job for those interested or into it.
Front-end web development is an exciting career because it's always evolving and constantly changing.
This means you will always have the opportunity to interact with new tools and learn new skills,
keeping you engaged in your career.
It's a field that provides many opportunities for hands-on learning.
You can never go wrong in it.
Coming from the people that have been there, done that.

Look at this one. Stating what he has no idea about.

Backend is not harder than frontend, frontend is not harder than backend. They both have their challenges which can be solved if you put in the effort. A lot of persons here think front end is just basic HTML, CSS and JS. I laugh. Obviously there is a high chance you haven't worked on a serious or large frontend application. Frontend of 10 years ago is not the same frontend of today. Go and look at current job adverts for front end roles from local and foreign companies, you will know how far. Frontend pays well too, depending on your skill level.

techstack:
for those built blogs

try build a secured payment system

Frontend is just to display data naa

Lol you probably have never done front end my friend

It's not harder bro

Backend can contain a million lines of codes but only one page front end web page

In multi layer software architecture you build database, VPCs, subnets, security protocols, SSH rules, node.js code commits for dynamic Architectures, application layer etc, then we hand it over to you to develop a web layer for customers to interact with all our work under the hood

It's like saying the car painter is better than the car maker

Enceladus:


You are very right bro. I recently worked on the frontend for one enterprise project (> 57 countries) and that opened my eyes. The requirement of the UI alone means you can't use any framework and we had to build a lot from scratch targeting different browsers implementations. Is it about crazy async logic, or stale data monitoring. Only naïve devs will say frontend is just HTML, CSS and JS.

You are talking from experience bro! I can tell

nosagold:


How about things like data validation, api calls, data structure for full applications before you go into presentation. The days when front end was about background color are long gone

Again I'd say it's lazy programming that encourages those. A lot.of clients today have relatively powerful machines (mobiles or desktops) so dev try to push processing to the client side. Imagine a very resource lean situation like USSD or SMS. All processing is done at the backend

BigDawsNet:



Same as front

Without frontend, backend is useless
Without backend, frontend is just as useless as nothing

See this one too. Saying nonsense with confidence. Do you know how many website out there built without back-end

airsaylongcome:


Again I'd say it's lazy programming that encourages those. A lot.of clients today have relatively powerful machines (mobiles or desktops) so dev try to push processing to the client side. Imagine a very resource lean situation like USSD or SMS. All processing is done at the backend

You definitely have never done front end, my friend

The op is obviously a newbie or hasn't worked on a real project before.

Take an app like Uber, I'm not sure the op can even phantom the technologies powering Uber.

Well, enjoy your cruise.

BigDawsNet:



Same as front

Without frontend, backend is useless
Without backend, frontend is just as useless as nothing

Frontends are for human users.

But users of a service aren't all humans. Most times machines communicate which each other to deliver services. The is the the basis of microservice architecture.

Take Netflix, for instance, they have hundreds of machines talking to each and delivering content.

Backend engineers do not always write services for human users. Most times machine to machine communication happens.

post=98220309:

Must you comment, if you have nothing to contribute to a topic?
We don't see this kind of stuffs on foreign forums lailai.
Members keep silent if they don't understand a thread or if it is too big for them to comprehend.
Be a good boy next time.....okay?

oga make we hear word.. africnainsm is a thing if you don't know.. Keep holding everything foreign like Gold.. Let Africans be Africans

chingle5:


Which one is backend capturing the entire business logic...... In fact that your example is actually the reverse u backend developers are actually the shoe shiner and we the frontend developers are the shoemaker coz we create the product while u people just come from nowhere to just come and be updating one yeye database and throwing request from one place to another place base on CRUD in fact u guys are the shoe shiner

Lmao you are very wrong bro

@OP I can tell you for free that some frontend developers earn better than some backend developers.
Backend development however is more challenging and embodies a certain level of complexity hence the higher pay.
If you check stackoverflow statistics or GitHub statistics every year, you'd appreciate how much technology stack changes for backend development unlike frontend development that revolves around JS and few other libraries.
As a backend developer, you'd need to master so many technology stacks while adding to your cap design patterns, database design, network management and complex algorithms (for complex projects).
If you have ever written micro services or you have even worked on cryptographic modules or probably ever messed with image processing codebases, or have ever had to interact with an OS kernel and maybe even optimize some legacy code or worked on some very complex AI algorithm or probably written some codes to manage a network infrastructure (and any of those crazy devops shit we do), you may hopefully understand why backend development should be well paid.
In as much as frontend development is somewhat underrated, please discard the notion that back-end development is simply writing a PHP or Python CRUD application because it is not.
In fact next time you use your favorite IDE or import react-DOM package with npm remember a backend dev helped to make your job easier.

depends on the project, front end development this days are complex and even becoming harder than backend

ibkayee:
ToyinDipo come and answer o

Ibkayee
My own view
Backend development is more technical and often involves a lot more technology know how than front-end development. I work with both, but mainly backend. In front-end, once you choose a particular tech, e.g Angular, Vue, Reactjs... all other components you will be working with is sass/CSS, html/html 5, JavaScript/typescript.
But in backend, there are a lot of core components and different technologies e.g security (oauth2, simple jwt, session cookies...), database (...), Caching (...), messaging (message brokers), session passivation, if you are also implementing with workflow engine e.g jbpm. In summary, there is a lot involved in backend development.

If you have the time, it is better to be a full stack developer!

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Do you know what goes into fetching and saving data especially when you are building a distributed app that will existing in different regions and need to sync data. Have u heard of systems design? If you have, you will not be saying this.

careersome:

You no serious. These days that 70% of an entire application is on the frontend. Like google forms and the backend is just queried when you want to save or fetch data