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| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 12:23pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Acts of the apostles wasn't written by any of the apostles! Let your light so shine that MEN will see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven! |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:48pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
Ògbéni, walahi talahi oònítìjú rárá!  So Luke who wrote the Bible book of ACTS never took permission from the Apostles shey? Have you forgotten that out of the four gospels writers only Mark and Luke weren't Apostles, the other two guys were part of the twelve Jesus named Apostles!  My friend you don't have to start hiding shamelessly, if you know that you're wrong just make the necessary adjustments. I myself wasn't born in the midst of JWs, i studied God's word with them just as you did, the only difference between you and i is that while you are looking for special honour before men i was interested in IDENTIFYING the one and only true Christian group! shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 4:06pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:The apostles started beating their own drums and boasting about how hard they've been working!? Truth changers wouldn't see that the book of Acts was a report by men who saw how God used the ) the apostles. That MEN will see your good works.... |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:27pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
You're just a deluded and stubborn religionist, you have no sense of what Christianity means apart from those cheap tricks you use to deceive yourself and other misinformed Churchgoers like you. Know today that you're not a Christian but a liar deceiving himself so continue in your delusion! shadeyinka: 1 Like |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 5:39pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:All these because I refuse to be brainwashed by any organisation!? I have only one Lord and Master: Jesus Christ and no organisation can ever take His place in my life. Sorry! Those |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:52pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
Nobody is asking you to be brainwashed ogbeni what we're saying now is either you belong to the Jesus that's commanding a multitude of peace loving worshipers globally or you continue with the other Jesus that allows you go about practicing iniquity! Matthew 7:21-23 shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 6:17pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
shadeyinka:The Bros DECEIVING himself LYING against him " Lord & Master" (@ Mark 3:4 ,John17:3 & 20:17). Jesus & John says you still have a no case submission  Have you forgotten you LIED against Jesus Christ on this forum ? Your Master indeed !
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| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 6:21pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
Janosky:No time for ping pong with you today! |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 6:26pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
shadeyinka:The men , all servants of Jehovah, like their Master Jesus (Acts 3:13. 15:14. John 15:15) who followed the same instructions, same doctrines and beliefs practiced by the apostles as taught by Jesus who learnt from his God and Father. Your Bible says Jesus is NOT their true God. |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 6:28pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 6:50pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
Janosky:? ? ? Evidence!!! |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 7:32pm On Jan 21, 2021 |
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| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 4:46am On Jan 22, 2021 |
Janosky:Your dumbness is appalling! Are you concurring that Christ a false god? |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:08am On Jan 22, 2021 |
All creatures made in God's image are Gods by nature, but the phrase only true God means the only person who deserves our worship! John 17:3 For instance God made Moses a God {Exodus 7:1} Moses said a prophet like him will be raise amongst the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} and Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet like Moses {Act 3:22} this is because Jesus is the one and only prophet after Moses who served as both prophet and God at the same time. So Jesus WAS a God jus as Moses WAS a God {John 1:1} but the only true God IS GOD for all eternity! Psalms 83:18 compare to Revelations 4:11 I know you love worthless, pointless and thoughtless arguments even though you can't present a group of people worshiping this your useless God you just feel like arguing blindly! 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9; Philippians 2:14; Colossians 2:4 shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 7:06am On Jan 22, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 7:07am On Jan 22, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:The question is very simple: Are you concurring that Christ a false god? |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:26pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
Is Moses a false God? shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 4:22pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Moses is a mortal man born of a woman |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:34pm On Feb 04, 2021*. Modified: 5:07pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
Jesus is a mortal man (died) born of a woman! Jesus' confirmed statement upon which salvation of all hangs! John 17:3 (KJV) "And this is life eternal, that they might know you (not me/not us) the only true God , and Jesus Christ whom you sent (messenger)" So my friend, meditate thoroughly on this verse because your salvation depends on it! shadeyinka:
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| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 10:00pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Heb 13:8: "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:33pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
You missed a point Sir! Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever! Jesus is just a Jewish young carpenter that was vulnerable to hunger, pain and death. But the Christ is what makes the difference, Messiah (anointed of God) so his thinking, words and actions remain the same always after God's Holy Spirit anointed him as the Christ before then he was just Jesus like everyone else. So he was the anointed of God not the true God that anoint him and spoke directly from heaven to confirm that Jesus is his anointed son! Matthew 3:17, 17:5 shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(op): 10:48pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Rev 22:13: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:34am On Feb 05, 2021 |
John 17:3 shadeyinka: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 1:56pm On Feb 05, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Revelation 3:12,21 and John 20:17, is the same yesterday, today and forever. Jesus Christ is the son of God in the spiritual realm, the same yesterday, today and forever. Is Matthew 12:15-18 in your Bible? Yahweh is whose servant ? Continue DECEIVING yourself. |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 2:01pm On Feb 05, 2021 |
shadeyinka:From the context and content of Revelation 22:1-13, your claim is FALSE. Also, is Luke 1:31-33 and Revelation 22:16 missing in your Bible ? Bros, who are the bright morning stars in Job 38:7 and Revelation 22:16 ? |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 2:24pm On Feb 05, 2021 |
g78 8/22 p. 28 The Bible’s View Who Is “the Alpha and the Omega”? IN THE most ancient Greek manuscripts of the book of Revelation, the expression “the Alpha and the Omega” appears three times. Does this designation, as many believe, apply both to the Almighty God, Jehovah, and to his Son Jesus Christ? Just what is the significance of the title “the Alpha and the Omega”? The word “alpha” is the name for the first letter of the Greek alphabet, whereas the term “omega” designates the last letter of the Greek alphabet. Hence, in itself, the title “the Alpha and the Omega” conveys the idea of the start and the finish or completion of a thing. The personage who is so designated would, therefore, be viewed as the beginner of certain things and the one who brings these things to a successful conclusion. Based on what is revealed in the Hebrew Scriptures, the title “the Alpha and the Omega” would certainly fit Jehovah God. At Isaiah 55:10, 11, for example, we are told: “Just as the pouring rain descends, and the snow, from the heavens and does not return to that place, unless it actually saturates the earth and makes it produce and sprout, and seed is actually given to the sower and bread to the eater, so my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it.” How forcefully this emphasizes that whatever Jehovah God expresses will be brought to a successful finish! Water falling in the form of rain or snow eventually filters down into the soil, there to combine with nutrients. In this way the precipitation furnishes what is needed for plant growth. In the case of grain, some of the seed may be set aside for sowing in the next season, and a far larger portion may be ground into flour for making bread. Thus the ultimate purpose of the precipitation is realized—seed is given to the sower and bread to the eater. Likewise, whatever Jehovah God, as the Beginner, sets in motion by his word always is brought to a successful end. But does the title “the Alpha and the Omega” apply exclusively to Jehovah God? To answer this question, we must examine the context in which this designation appears. Revelation 1:8 states: “The Lord God says, ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega, the One who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty!’” (The New American Bible) Clearly, the reference here is to the Most High God Jehovah. (Yes, Revelation 1:5-6 supports this fact.). While Jesus Christ is referred to in the previous verse as “coming with the clouds,” the words of Revelation 1:8 and the surrounding verses show that he could not be “the Alpha and the Omega.” In the Scriptures, only the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ is spoken of as “the Lord God” and as the “Almighty.” Jesus Christ even refers to his Father as “my God.” (John 20:17; Rev. 3:12) According to Revelation 1:1, the revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God. Hence, we should expect the words of the Almighty God to be quoted in the account. The first reference to “the Alpha and the Omega” is manifestly an example of this. Moreover, in the very next verse, the writer of the book of Revelation, the apostle John, says: “I . . . came to be in the isle that is called Patmos for speaking about God and bearing witness to Jesus.” (Rev. 1:9) This provides additional confirmation that John understood God to be the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. In what sense is Jehovah God “the One who is and who was and who is to come”? Being the eternal God, Jehovah has at all times been the Almighty. (Ps. 90:2) So, in the indefinite past, he was the Most High. Furthermore, he continues to be the Almighty God and will come in that capacity to execute his judgment. As shown in other parts of the book of Revelation, Jehovah God will display his all-powerfulness at the time that his Son destroys all opposers of his sovereignty.—Rev. 16:14; 19:13-16. The next occurrence of the title “the Alpha and the Omega” is found at Revelation 21:6. In the following verse, the One who applies this title to himself says: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Since Jesus Christ speaks of himself as a “brother” of these conquerors, it is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ who is referring to himself as “the Alpha and the Omega.”—Compare Matthew 25:40; Hebrews 2:10-12. Finally, at Revelation 22:12, 13, we read: “Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” This quotation appears among others that are ascribed to an angel and to Jesus Christ. Before these words are quoted in the book of Revelation, the angel who was instrumental in presenting the revelation to the apostle John spoke. (Rev. 22:8, 9) Then, after the quotation that begins with Revelation 22:12 and ends with the words of verse 15, we find the statement: “I, Jesus, sent my angel.” (Rev. 22:16) Since the context does not necessitate our attributing the words of Revelation 22:12, 13 either to the angel or to Jesus, they could have originated with another speaker. Consistent with the rest of the book of Revelation, “the Alpha and the Omega” must be the Almighty God. He is the One who comes in the capacity of a judge to reward and to punish individuals according to their works. T[/b]he thought expressed at Revelation 22:12 also harmonizes with what the apostle Paul wrote. He stated: “According to your hardness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath and of the revealing of God’s righteous judgment. And he will render to each one according to his works: everlasting life to those who are seeking glory and honor and incorruptibleness by endurance in work that is good; however, for those who are contentious and who disobey the truth but obey unrighteousness there will be wrath and anger, tribulation and distress, upon the soul of every man who works what is injurious, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory and honor and peace for everyone who works what is good, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.” (Rom. 2:5-10) Of course, the judgment will be expressed by Jehovah God through his Son, for the apostle also says: “This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind.”—Rom. 2:16. The fact that Jehovah God speaks of himself as “the Alpha and the Omega” gives us the assurance that what he has purposed will come to a successful realization. This should prompt us to do our utmost to be found approved by him. Our reward will then be certain, for the Bible tells us: “God is not unrighteous so as to forget your work and the love you showed for his name.”—Heb. 6:10. |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka2: 9:28pm On Feb 05, 2021 |
Janosky: MaxInDHouse:Col 1:15-18: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:41pm On Feb 05, 2021 |
Quoting out of context! Jesus himself spoke @ John 17:3 and according to that verse the only true God SENT Jesus automatically Jesus is not that only true God. Period! shadeyinka2: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka2: 12:07am On Feb 06, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:1Tim 3:16: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:26am On Feb 06, 2021 |
John 17:3 shadeyinka2: |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka2: 7:42am On Feb 06, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:John 1:1-3,14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth." |
| Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:51am On Feb 06, 2021 |
There is this big difference between accurate and inaccurate. The highlighted shows you need ACCURATE knowledge before you can effectively inculcate in the minds of your listeners what you're struggling to establish. and the word was "WITH" God Sorry your knowledge about this is INACCURATE Sir!  shadeyinka2: |
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