favor2016:
Give and it shall be given unto you, that's what my Bible says, I gave and God bless me. I have never lack his grace and mercy and I'm still living by his grace and mercy.if you want to break the curse of lack, pls give and give. Thank you

sonmvayina:


Who is paul to change Gods laws?

Does it mean i can fucck another mans wife and wont be punished ?

May1st:



Do you know what you are doing now is exactly the same as thugs fighting very hard to defend thieving politicians?
Relax and connect the dots.


In my opinion, you do not have to shame someone by asking him to work hard to improve his condition. Let me ask, are you also in the top 50,000 richest people in Africa? You better be calming down. Religious thug

sapphiere:
Good morning. Have a blessed day.

BusinessCity:
People should read the Bible themselves and get to understand the intent of God's heart as well as the letter.

I believe no seed sown towards Kingdom growth is without Heavenly reward, however while I maintain this believe, I don't subscribe to first fruits paid annually.

First Fruits offering is the seed that opens the ground/business/productivity like a child giving the first salary he or she earns to the parents. Making it an annual event as skewed and project as we've seen of recent memories is to only excite one's feelings to milk people of their resources

Before Christianity came, every one gives their first salary to their parents as a seed of thankfulness for their parenting them. This is the reflection of what first fruit offering is, but people chose to replace parents there with their pastors

Pastors too are unduly taking advantage.

Don't bother to criticise me because you want to fill your stomach with other people's blood, sweat and means of livelihood. I'm a minister of the Gospel as well and have mentored hundreds. But guess what, I work

First Fruits should be directed lyrics dedicated to God in a ( sober some way) that will provoke God's blessings and sustain ones livelihood. This giving is not putting in offering basket ideology we continue to perpetuate...

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Given to ones parents. Your parents are also God's representative on earth as much as your pastors.

Your parent command higher spiritual right to receive this blessings, cry upon receiving it and command transference of blessings to your life. Thus is the history and essence of first fruits. Don't let hungry ministers deceive you

If you're a minister and want to take me up on this discussion, I am willing to educate you. But first check the scriptures about what God instructed Moses and Joshua about first fruits. When you're done with that come back and I'll open your spiritual eyes clearer and brighter with first fruits throughout scriptures where none of this occurrences were carried out like annual pagan rites

Pastors and ministers allow parents too eat of the works of their hands. Many of you have turn yourselves to demigods and devils and go as far as killing the sheep because of the greed and last for material things. Remember in the end it's not the tithes and offerings that matters to God as He's the owner of the earth and all in it and the cattle over the thousand hills.

Careful exacting resources from people. Let the people also bless the souls that brought them into this existence.

I'm an elder in the kingdom to atleast more than the top 80% of ministers of my generation. So I can correct you and Heaven will understand. We didn't start this journey yesterday. No. We did not.

Build the sheep up and when they're built, when you don't recall, what is bigger than first fruits is what they will do to you. Let's stop draining life out of God's children. Please and please

Scriptural references :

Cain and Abel - Abel gave the fruits that opened the earth. No other records of him doing that before His demise

2. God instructed Joshua when they entered Cannan, this is God Himself doing the talking, He said when you begin to produce, make sure the first fruits of your harvest ( First farming season year deem first productive season ) is set aside as offering because the fruits of the land wasn't yet purified for them to take personally. And that after this the earth would yield it's increase massively to them

3. Jesus waded into a scenario. Check the new testament. Jesus said to certain youths who pretended giving to parents as giving to God and mixed it up. They said when they give their thier parents, they gave grudgingly and said it's what we give to you is for God. Jesus however chided them maintaining parents must be honoured given their due regards separate from. Ministerial regards. In this case what's parental should be treated as parental. And what's for the church be giving to church.

If the first fruit is for a certain pastor, when does the parent who does the whole labor get the place of honour. Mind you hardly is there any pastor in the world world that will be there on a steady daily occasion and not give up on the child until maturity and success is attained.

I rest my case.

Give it to your parents

colp2015:


God bless your soul.

obonujoker:


The Lord Jesus himself talked about tithe, but he never placed much emphasis on it, as there are more important things than that... However it's good to pay tithe....it shows commitment and appreciation

egobetatoday:


When last did you read the bible?

Where did Jesus say so? Two questions for you to answer

obonujoker:


1. This morning

2. Luke 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

obonujoker:


1. This morning

2. Luke 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

sonmvayina:


If i said i understand your point, i will be lying..God gave us laws to guide us in making better choices. So i dont see the importance of paul or jesus in the matter. God never asked any body to die for anyone. All he said was if you confess and forsake i will forgive....he sent jonah to Nineveh, with a promise of destruction if they dont change their ways. They repented. He forgave them..no human sacrifice was needed or required.

So what is the importance of jesus that i am missing ?

cooltola:


Please what is your religion? I know you belief in God.
I am not here to argue
But here one thing i know Even though, laws are to guide us in making better choices. Forgiveness back in the old testament requires sacrifice of animals or burnt offerings. It was way more than a confession, it was a very complex ordeal that must be done meticulously.
Our Heavenly Father or God does not tolerate sin. Your confessions cannot wash your sins away.


I will simply share this verse and pray God speak to you through His Words
Romans 10;9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 1For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

This is also written in Bible and this is why Christ is the most important.

sreamsense:


....and are you among 50,000 either? If you don't get sense, please, borrow one. No one is talking about politician here, check the title of the thread again and read people's comments. If you lack comprehension, tell a friend to interprete the thread to you in your local dialect or if your interest is to talk about politicians, check other related thread or open new one. Message was directed to your daddy freezer via his thread messanger. When you understand the thread, please, repost your message to me so I will be sure I am not responding to robot or person of extremely low intelligence

sonmvayina:


I never knew you where Gods adviser....wao, what a wounderful job.

cooltola:


if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 cor 7:14


You also skip this part

In the 2 CHRONCLES 7

4 Then the king and all the people offered sacrifices before the Lord. 5 And King Solomon offered a sacrifice of[b] twenty-two thousand head of cattle and a hundred and twenty thousand sheep and goats[/b]. So the king and all the people dedicated the temple of God. 6 The priests took their positions, as did the Levites with the Lord’s musical instruments, which King David had made for praising the Lord and which were used when he gave thanks, saying, “His love endures forever.” Opposite the Levites, the priests blew their trumpets, and all the Israelites were standing.

7 Solomon consecrated the middle part of the courtyard in front of the temple of the Lord, and there he offered burnt offerings and the fat of the fellowship offerings, because the bronze altar he had made could not hold the burnt offerings, the grain offerings and the fat portions.

I was saying earlier burnt offerings and animal sacrifices used to in the Old testament.
It was after sacrifices were made and Burnt offerings, God spoke and made that declarations.
The ancient Israelites sacrifices animals and burnt offerings to God for atonement of their sins.


If I commit an offense and I repented e.g I was a kidnapper like Evan long time ago, I later felt bad , guilty and later stop my wicked way because I realized that I am such a bad person and cause many people pain. Until a camera caught me years later, I got arrested for the offenses that I committed a long time ago. Even though I confess to the Judge, Jury , lawyers in a court of Law, that I was the kidnap the person long time ago . The court of Law will judge me for my offense whether I confess today , yesterday and was repentant My offense still stands whether i can confess or not.My confession does not save me , I can confess that I am the one , and if I do not ask for forgiveness of my offense, then a confession is a good as I am claiming that I take ownership of the offense committed. I can confess from morning to night , my offense will still be standing in a court of Law. You break one of the laws , you are guilty of breaking one of the laws. Breaking the law is a sin to God.

It is also written that
“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Roman 6:23
The wages of my sin is death whether I like it or not. A sin not many sins is still death. You asked why Jesus Christ is key , well you have your answer. Eternal life which is written in the bible also.

cooltola:


if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 cor 7:14


You also skip this part

In the 2 CHRONCLES 7

4 Then the king and all the people offered sacrifices before the Lord. 5 And King Solomon offered a sacrifice of[b] twenty-two thousand head of cattle and a hundred and twenty thousand sheep and goats[/b]. So the king and all the people dedicated the temple of God. 6 The priests took their positions, as did the Levites with the Lord’s musical instruments, which King David had made for praising the Lord and which were used when he gave thanks, saying, “His love endures forever.” Opposite the Levites, the priests blew their trumpets, and all the Israelites were standing.

7 Solomon consecrated the middle part of the courtyard in front of the temple of the Lord, and there he offered burnt offerings and the fat of the fellowship offerings, because the bronze altar he had made could not hold the burnt offerings, the grain offerings and the fat portions.

I was saying earlier burnt offerings and animal sacrifices used to in the Old testament.
It was after sacrifices were made and Burnt offerings, God spoke and made that declarations.
The ancient Israelites sacrifices animals and burnt offerings to God for atonement of their sins.


If I commit an offense and I repented e.g I was a kidnapper like Evan long time ago, I later felt bad , guilty and later stop my wicked way because I realized that I am such a bad person and cause many people pain. Until a camera caught me years later, I got arrested for the offenses that I committed a long time ago. Even though I confess to the Judge, Jury , lawyers in a court of Law, that I was the kidnap the person long time ago . The court of Law will judge me for my offense whether I confess today , yesterday and was repentant My offense still stands whether i can confess or not.My confession does not save me , I can confess that I am the one , and if I do not ask for forgiveness of my offense, then a confession is a good as I am claiming that I take ownership of the offense committed. I can confess from morning to night , my offense will still be standing in a court of Law. You break one of the laws , you are guilty of breaking one of the laws. Breaking the law is a sin to God.

It is also written that
“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Roman 6:23
The wages of my sin is death whether I like it or not. A sin not many sins is still death. You asked why Jesus Christ is key , well you have your answer. Eternal life which is written in the bible also.

sonmvayina:


Where did God say he will stop accepting burnt offering ?
Or are advicing him to stop it..?

cooltola:


Happy Friday and good Afternoon, I will answer your question since you assume that I am a God adviser but I have a question specific for you

Who is Jesus Christ to you? is He a prophet , the messiah or a nobody or pretender to be God?

sonmvayina:


He is just a character in a story. Just like iron man or Harry potter..or okonkwo in things fall apart...

Youngzedd:



Can you please explain the below scripture for me.


Deuteronomy 14:22-29
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.




Q: Were the laws given to the Jew or Gentiles (you)?

Paramountgift:



In essence, the purpose of Tithe was always for the propagation of God's work, and what is that ministry? Reaching out.
For the welfare of the church, for the needy and less privileged, for the spread of the Gospel to humanity.

Whether it was given to the Jews or the Gentiles, the bottom line is that it served and is still serving its purpose in the place of the Gospel.

Whether you're a Jew or a Gentile, if you believe in Jesus and confess Him as Lord and Savior, not only that, listen to His commands and propagate His Gospel of Repentance and Salvation in whatever way you can, then that means you love Jesus and you are His, irrespective of your generational status.

Luke5:31; And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

So were the laws given to Gentiles or Jews? They were given to all who want to serve God acceptably and propagate His work, whether Jews or Gentiles. When you are adopted into the family of God, your genealogy or traditional titles do not matter any more. You are now God's and His commands are for you to follow.

cooltola:


Since Jesus Christ is a character in a story like Harry Potter against Voldemort, then my answer will not make sense to you at all or it sounds meaningless. Well this is the answer Jesus Christ is the Ultimate Sacrifice for all sins, God offered his son for the sacrifice to all mankind according to my belief. The New Testament does not make sense to you and gospel does not make sense to you. Everyone is entitled to his or her belief, some family members and friends are Muslim, some are Christians and some do not believe in any God . I belief in Jesus Christ and you practice Judaism which is very okay . You can still be polite and respectful to my belief instead of calling me a God adviser.

Youngzedd:



Who's a Christian?

A lot of people don't understand my scriptural posts simply because they were born into Judaism with a touch of Christianity. YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN!

Yes! You heard me right, you were born into Judaism and you're not a Christian, that's why you lack understanding on my posts. In judaism, you pray for your enemies to die meanwhile in TRUE Christianity, you love them Matthew 5:43-48. That's just one out of many demonic practices, I don't know the aim of Christians practicing the old covenant laws. So sad, they are telling us that Christ died in vain Galatians 2:21.

Fufu (Judaism) with cake icing sugar (Christianity) is still fufu. That's what we have today. Judaism wearing the mask of Christianity. The religious leaders knows that in Christianity they can't control you, but it's possible in Judaism. Read the whole of Mathew 23 for better understanding. Don't forget, before the death of Christ, the Jews practice Judaism.

Galatians 5 vs 1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

So who's Christian?

Followers of Christ were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26).

The word “Christian” means “like Christ,” or “to be like Christ.”

To be like Christ means that what Christ didn't do, don't do them, what He did, you do them. Anything found in life of Christ is what concerns you, anything outside of that is none of your business.

Why are you now trying to be like Elijah, Moses, Isaiah etc did they die for your sins?

How can you call yourself a Christian and you want fire to consume your enemies like the way Elijah did. Did I not tell you that you're not a Christian?

That thing you're currently doing is what the Apostles wanted to do but Christ rebuked them in Luke 9:51-59. Why are you still doing them and still claim to be a Christian huh �

Luke 9:51-59
51 As the time approached for him to be taken up to heaven, Yeshua resolutely set out for Jerusalem. 52 And he sent messengers on ahead, who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for him; 53 but the people there did not welcome him, because he was heading for Jerusalem. 54 When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them[b]?” 55 But Yeshua turned and rebuked them. 56 Then he and his disciples went to another village.

If Christ whom you claim to be like said; love your enemy, and someone else said pray for your enemies to die, is it not clear that the person who told you to pray for enemies to die is not a Christian? Why should you follow someone who goes against the words of Christ you claim to be like?

Anyone who preach against the words of Christ is an antichrist.

Cross check the new testament scriptures with what your Pastors and Priests teaches you, only then will you figure out among them who the antichrists and servants of Mammon are.

Galatians 1:6-9
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

2 Corinthians 11:3-4
3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Yahushua other than the Yahushua we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
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Verse 3 above is what has happened to you. You were deceived by angels of darkness parading as the angel of light all because you have failed to read the scriptures.

They were able to manipulate you because you don't verify whatever they tell you just as the Berean Jews. How will you know the truth when you don't read the scriptures?

Acts 17:10-12
10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.

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As Christians, the laws in the old covenants (old testament) is none of our business. Christ and the early Christians didn't practice them, why have you allowed false prophets to make you practice weak and useless things?

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Galatians 3 vs 19 - 20
Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator,however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

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Christ is the seed been referred to here.

Colossians 2:17
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
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The 613 laws are shadows until Christ came. Christ fulfilled the law, done and dusted, chapter closed forever. That's why it's now weak and useless.

Hebrews 7:12
For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
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Hebrew 8 vs 13
"By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Galatians 3 vs 10
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”


* If you're to obey the laws in the old testament to be right with God, you're to obey ALL the 613 laws otherwise you're under a curse.

Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Hebrews 10:9-10
9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

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He set aside OLD COVENANT found in the old testament to establish the NEW COVENANT found in the new testament.

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2 Corinthians 3:6
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
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* The letter here is the old covenants (laws) while the spirit is the new covenant. Read the whole chapter for better understanding.

Please brothers and sisters, do yourself a favour and read the whole of 2 Corinthians 3. Verse 14 "But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away." is exactly what is happening in Christianity today.

Never allow any man born of flesh push you to do the things that are now weak and useless.
If Christ and the early Christians didn't do it, I tell you today, don't do it no matter the pressure.

I am fully aware that I am not qualified to carry this message, but the message choose me, I didn't choose myself.

I still remain the son of the TRUTH.

sonmvayina:


Yea, because i have read the old testament, i have not see where it says God has a son or God will impregnate another man's wife to sire a son and we should kill him and believe that he died for our sins before our sins will be forgiven. What i read is that God hates human sacrifice. He calls it an abomination in his sight. So i wonder where you got the idea that God sent his son as a sacrifice for sin.
God did promise to send the jews a messiah , but he said he will be from the tribe of judah and from the line of solomon..You and I know that geneology is only transfered from father to son. But the gospel says jesus was conceive by the holy spirit so that makes him not from judah since he has no father (according to the story).

So you see why i said he is just a character in a story. Since it was NEVER Gods plan. Or idea. So it must be of pagan origin.

cooltola:


Here is my point, the books of the New Testament is not a fantasy story like Harry Potter and half blood prince or James Bond and The golden eye. There are chrolongical evidences and eye witnesses on what Jesus Christ did on earth. If those men were alive, they will tell you what they saw. But imagine they did today, doubters will always doubt.The books of NT were written by several authors who were spritually inspired by God. But as usual, there are always going to be doubters. If the shootings at Lekki toll gates can have doubters despite numerous evidences of videos, eye witnesses reports and so on. then so to what Jesus did.
Still I thank God for showing Mercy to both of us. I thank God for his love for us. Again everyone is entitled to his or her belief, and that is why our Heavenly Father gave us free will to decide. He is not a God that forces one to worship him.

sonmvayina:


Can you please provide one eye witness and what he said....

Maybe i might have missed it.