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BluntCrazeMan:
So, if you live near a Church in Enugu State, and they made laws inside the church to govern their members, you that is not a member of the church should also obey the laws just because you live near the church, and happened to hear their laws through their public-address-systems??

Your analogy is faulty

To live in places like Kano state will be horrible for a southerner.

Some of us can not do without OGOGORO or hot drink !

Hisbah corp will be following people up and down.

thebosstrevor1:
Sharia law and church law is different

Sharia law is some Muslim countries is state law, and state law covers everybody muslim and non muslim

Maybe you lack insight about government generally. Governments are formed to manage what every share in common. It is stupid idea to start forming mob like groups under the guise of religion to come back and influence the govt that permitted that religion in the first place.

BluntCrazeMan:
IS ALCOHOL PROHIBITED IN CHRISTIANITY?
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Some people would always come to the defence of Hisbah’s destruction of millions of Alcoholic Beverages by asking the question: “Is Alcohol NOT Prohibited In Christianity?”
And such people would always end their taunting questions by adding: “Go and STUDY your Bible”...
..

My Answer to such question is very simple....

Alcohol is NOT Prohibited in Christianity.
1st Timothy 5:23 
and Ecclesiastes 9:7..
..
What is prohibited in Christianity is:
“Getting Drunk”
..
For someone to get drunk, he had to take excess alcohol way beyond his brain-carrying capacity.
..
And this brings us back to the Bible again, where the Bible condemned Honey in a way.
Something that is as good as Honey, the Bible warns us not to take it too much.
Proverbs 25:16.
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What Christianity is preaching is That: “Too Much of Everything Is Bad.”
..
Too Much of Food Is Bad.
Too Much of Water Is Bad.
Too Much of Salt Is Bad.
Too Much of Sugar Is Bad.
Too Much of Religion Is Bad.
Too Much of Spirituality Is Bad.
Too Much of Fanaticism Is Bad.
Too Much of Biased Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Dependent Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Independent Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Brainwashed Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Free thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Blunt Truths Is Bad.
Too Much of Sugar-coated Truths Is Bad.
Too Much of Srtictness Is Bad.
Too Much of Straightness Is Bad.
Too Much of Laughter Is Bad.
Too Much of Riches Is Bad.
Too Much of Wealth Is Bad.
Too Much of Poverty Is Bad.
Too Much of Gold Is Bad.
Too Much of Longevity Is Bad.
Too Much of Talking Is Bad.
Too Much of Silence Is Bad.
Too Much of Loudness Is Bad.
Too Much of Dancing Is Bad.
Too Much of Singing Is Bad.
Too Much of Observations Is Bad.
Too Much of Intervention Is Bad.
Too Much of Intrusion Is Bad.
Too Much of Minding Your Business Is Bad.



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For those people that would come here to say that the Bible was referring to Non-Alcoholic Wine.
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The Jews that lived during the time of Jesus knew only how to produce the Natural Wine with Vine Grapes, which is a Naturally Occurring Alcoholic Fluid..
If Jesus Drank Grape-Juice which was made from the Vine Grapes, it would be stated as Grape-Juice in the Bible. (But Grape-Juice is very difficult to get and stored in its Non-Alcoholic form using natural processes, just the way it is very difficult to get and store Cashew-Juice or Soursop-Juice from natural processes.)
The production of Non-Alcoholic Wine from Vine Grapes is a more complicated process (and is done with some technologies that was invented during the medieval times).

(Even the so-called Non-Alcoholic Wine, once it is uncorked, begins to turn alcoholic after some hours - then, imagine the Jews who never had the technology produce the Non-Alcoholic wine in the first place, not to talk of having the technological means of preserving it).
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Simply Put.....
During the time of Jesus, they drank the natural wine from Vine Grapes which is a naturally occurring Alcoholic wine.
If the wine was not Alcoholic, then the Pharisees wouldn't have complained about it.

You are just diverting the topic under consideration.

virago:
Your ana
Your analogy is faulty

It isn't.

The same speed that the 12 northern sharia states governments used to adopt sharia criminal laws must be the same speed for the non-sharia states to use to adopt laws banning open grazing of cows in their states.

thebosstrevor1:
Sharia law is a state law in Kano state and the Hisbah police enforces the sharia law.

the hisbah is constitutional and created by the state government just like how state government create state own outfits to regulate traffic or reduce crime..lagos has a state security outfit that helps in community policing.

Just like AMOTEKUN is established by state edict in South West

Jerryherd:




Sharia Law doesn't cover non Muslim, however State laws on ban or regulation of alcohol is binding to all residents as long as 2/3 of the state legislature passed it and the Governor signed it

Like in Saudi Arabia, Alcohol is sold at places and camps were Oil workers and Foriegn expatriates stays,

In UAE Ajman industrial has one of the biggest Liquor shop I have ever seen, everything is there from RedOx to Hennessy



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Sharia law has just been used to arrest a Christian barber oooo and they said Sharia Law is above Nigerian constitution

SERIA LAW IS A LIMITED LAW.

THERE IS NO NEED DISCUSSING ABOUT. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS TO SHOW THAT NIGERIA AN ENTITY IS A FRAUD JUST LIKE ALPHA BETA OWN BY TINUBU

HOW CAN SUCH LAW THAT IS AGAINST NATURAL JUSTICE BE SMULGGLED INTO OUR CONSTITUTION?

CodeTemplar:
It isn't.

ok

No

BluntCrazeMan:
IS ALCOHOL PROHIBITED IN CHRISTIANITY?
..
Some people would always come to the defence of Hisbah’s destruction of millions of Alcoholic Beverages by asking the question: “Is Alcohol NOT Prohibited In Christianity?”
And such people would always end their taunting questions by adding: “Go and STUDY your Bible”...
..

My Answer to such question is very simple....

Alcohol is NOT Prohibited in Christianity.
1st Timothy 5:23 
and Ecclesiastes 9:7..
..
What is prohibited in Christianity is:
“Getting Drunk”
..
For someone to get drunk, he had to take excess alcohol way beyond his brain-carrying capacity.
..
And this brings us back to the Bible again, where the Bible condemned Honey in a way.
Something that is as good as Honey, the Bible warns us not to take it too much.
Proverbs 25:16.
..
What Christianity is preaching is That: “Too Much of Everything Is Bad.”
..
Too Much of Food Is Bad.
Too Much of Water Is Bad.
Too Much of Salt Is Bad.
Too Much of Sugar Is Bad.
Too Much of Religion Is Bad.
Too Much of Spirituality Is Bad.
Too Much of Fanaticism Is Bad.
Too Much of Biased Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Dependent Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Independent Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Brainwashed Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Free thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Blunt Truths Is Bad.
Too Much of Sugar-coated Truths Is Bad.
Too Much of Srtictness Is Bad.
Too Much of Straightness Is Bad.
Too Much of Laughter Is Bad.
Too Much of Riches Is Bad.
Too Much of Wealth Is Bad.
Too Much of Poverty Is Bad.
Too Much of Gold Is Bad.
Too Much of Longevity Is Bad.
Too Much of Talking Is Bad.
Too Much of Silence Is Bad.
Too Much of Loudness Is Bad.
Too Much of Dancing Is Bad.
Too Much of Singing Is Bad.
Too Much of Observations Is Bad.
Too Much of Intervention Is Bad.
Too Much of Intrusion Is Bad.
Too Much of Minding Your Business Is Bad.



___________________
____________________

***MODIFIED***


For those people that would come here to say that the Bible was referring to Non-Alcoholic Wine.
..
..
The Jews that lived during the time of Jesus knew only how to produce the Natural Wine with Vine Grapes, which is a Naturally Occurring Alcoholic Fluid..
If Jesus Drank Grape-Juice which was made from the Vine Grapes, it would be stated as Grape-Juice in the Bible. (But Grape-Juice is very difficult to get and stored in its Non-Alcoholic form using natural processes, just the way it is very difficult to get and store Cashew-Juice or Soursop-Juice from natural processes.)
The production of Non-Alcoholic Wine from Vine Grapes is a more complicated process (and is done with some technologies that was invented during the medieval times).

(Even the so-called Non-Alcoholic Wine, once it is uncorked, begins to turn alcoholic after some hours - then, imagine the Jews who never had the technology produce the Non-Alcoholic wine in the first place, not to talk of having the technological means of preserving it).
..
Simply Put.....
During the time of Jesus, they drank the natural wine from Vine Grapes which is a naturally occurring Alcoholic wine.
If the wine was not Alcoholic, then the Pharisees wouldn't have complained about it.

Even if alcohol was prohibited in Christianity, we don’t need muslims enforcing the Christian laws

So i no.fit enjoy.my.hennessy in peace now in kano
Something i got with.my.money

Ment dey worry una!!

BluntCrazeMan:
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4. (Prayers)
If it happened that highway robbers tried to stop a bus that you were travelling with and the driver headed into the bush in order to avoid them; and somewhere inside the bush he stopped and opened the bus and told the passengers to run for safety. Then coincidentally, it happened that the time when everybody were running around to find safety was also the exact time for prayers. The running happened for up to Five-Solid-Hours. What will you do in such a situation since the exact time of prayers had passed??

Bro there is no exact time for prayers...

Nigerians are just too religious... Yet we jealous secular nations.

IamWonderful:
You are still chasing shadows and dwelling on speculation to soothe and promote your lies further. Even if either alcoholic or otherwise, wine is forbidden by God Himself

But Jesus turned water into wine. Wine is being served as Holy Communion

IamWonderful:
Which specific people are you talking about? priest? Kings? haven't you read

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. And mind you there is difference between fermented vine and unfermented juice, so trying attribute and claim what you weren't there is mischievous.

You people talk rubbish in order to propagate your personal doctrine. What do you mean by unfermented juice? Do you even understand what fermentation means? The minute you squeeze juice out of its fruit, it starts fermenting. My wife who has very little alcohol tolerance has gotten tipsy on zobo she made and left in the fridge for 2 days. How did ancient Jews during the time of Jesus and even after unferment grape juice?

The Nigerian constitution itself states that government must not adopt any religion as state religion. Even the penal codes exempts non- Muslims from being subjected to sharia penal codes.


But well, in Nigeria, anything goes- the laws are made by the rich for the poor alone to obey.

while Christianity preaches against excesses... Christianity says thou shall not Judge! If other people decide to live their lives a certain way, its really none of your business... God will judge them!!!

BluntCrazeMan:
IS ALCOHOL PROHIBITED IN CHRISTIANITY?
..
Some people would always come to the defence of Hisbah’s destruction of millions of Alcoholic Beverages by asking the question: “Is Alcohol NOT Prohibited In Christianity?”
And such people would always end their taunting questions by adding: “Go and STUDY your Bible”...
..

My Answer to such question is very simple....

Alcohol is NOT Prohibited in Christianity.
1st Timothy 5:23 
and Ecclesiastes 9:7..
..
What is prohibited in Christianity is:
“Getting Drunk”
..
For someone to get drunk, he had to take excess alcohol way beyond his brain-carrying capacity.
..
And this brings us back to the Bible again, where the Bible condemned Honey in a way.
Something that is as good as Honey, the Bible warns us not to take it too much.
Proverbs 25:16.
..
What Christianity is preaching is That: “Too Much of Everything Is Bad.”
..
Too Much of Food Is Bad.
Too Much of Water Is Bad.
Too Much of Salt Is Bad.
Too Much of Sugar Is Bad.
Too Much of Religion Is Bad.
Too Much of Spirituality Is Bad.
Too Much of Fanaticism Is Bad.
Too Much of Biased Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Dependent Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Independent Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Brainwashed Thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Free thinking Is Bad.
Too Much of Blunt Truths Is Bad.
Too Much of Sugar-coated Truths Is Bad.
Too Much of Srtictness Is Bad.
Too Much of Straightness Is Bad.
Too Much of Laughter Is Bad.
Too Much of Riches Is Bad.
Too Much of Wealth Is Bad.
Too Much of Poverty Is Bad.
Too Much of Gold Is Bad.
Too Much of Longevity Is Bad.
Too Much of Talking Is Bad.
Too Much of Silence Is Bad.
Too Much of Loudness Is Bad.
Too Much of Dancing Is Bad.
Too Much of Singing Is Bad.
Too Much of Observations Is Bad.
Too Much of Intervention Is Bad.
Too Much of Intrusion Is Bad.
Too Much of Minding Your Business Is Bad.



___________________
____________________

***MODIFIED***


For those people that would come here to say that the Bible was referring to Non-Alcoholic Wine.
..
..
The Jews that lived during the time of Jesus knew only how to produce the Natural Wine with Vine Grapes, which is a Naturally Occurring Alcoholic Fluid..
If Jesus Drank Grape-Juice which was made from the Vine Grapes, it would be stated as Grape-Juice in the Bible. (But Grape-Juice is very difficult to get and stored in its Non-Alcoholic form using natural processes, just the way it is very difficult to get and store Cashew-Juice or Soursop-Juice from natural processes.)
The production of Non-Alcoholic Wine from Vine Grapes is a more complicated process (and is done with some technologies that was invented during the medieval times).

(Even the so-called Non-Alcoholic Wine, once it is uncorked, begins to turn alcoholic after some hours - then, imagine the Jews who never had the technology produce the Non-Alcoholic wine in the first place, not to talk of having the technological means of preserving it).
..
Simply Put.....
During the time of Jesus, they drank the natural wine from Vine Grapes which is a naturally occurring Alcoholic wine.
If the wine was not Alcoholic, then the Pharisees wouldn't have complained about it.

Jerryherd:




Sharia Law doesn't cover non Muslim, however State laws on ban or regulation of alcohol is binding to all residents as long as 2/3 of the state legislature passed it and the Governor signed it

Like in Saudi Arabia, Alcohol is sold at places and camps were Oil workers and Foriegn expatriates stays,

In UAE Ajman industrial has one of the biggest Liquor shop I have ever seen, everything is there from RedOx to Hennessy



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Is it right for states to make laws governing everyone in a state based on a specific religion instead of based on the Constitution in a secular country? Saudi Arabia you quoted is an Islamic nation, their Constitution is based on Islamic tenets so it is understandable if they make their laws governing everyone in their country based on Islamic rules irrespective of any other religion any other person living there believes in, anyone going to Saudi Arabia already knows clearly that he or she is going to an Islamic country governed by Islamic rules, so they get prepared for that, now the question is, is Nigeria an Islamic nation?

It is common sense that a house of assembly with Muslims as majority will always have their way in voting for any issue that benefits Muslims, but that does not mean everyone in the state are Muslims and should be forced to live like Muslims in a secular country with freedom of religion and association boldly enshrined in the Constitution which is a superior document to the state house of assembly by-laws.
State house of assembly by-laws should never go contrary to the supreme document governing the country which is the Constitution.

The Nigerian constitution itself states that government must not adopt any religion as state religion. Even the penal codes exempts non- Muslims from being subjected to sharia penal codes.
If the state house of assembly decides to make Islamic by-laws, then it should be clearly made for only adherents of Islamic laws which are the Muslims because Nigeria is a secular country and not an Islamic country.

Imagine if states down south with Christian majorities begin to enact Christian doctrines and laws into the state by-laws and force everyone irrespective of their religion to abide by it, don't you think that will throw this country into a civil crises situation ?

onuman:
The same speed that the 12 northern sharia states governments used to adopt sharia criminal laws must be the same speed for the non-sharia states to use to adopt laws banning open grazing of cows in their states.

Thank you. That's a sensible statement.

jswitch:
The Nigerian constitution itself states that government must not adopt any religion as state religion. Even the penal codes exempts non- Muslims from being subjected to sharia penal codes.


But well, in Nigeria, anything goes- the laws are made by the rich for the poor alone to obey.

It because of the arrogance of the Fulanis, they feel they own the whole country and can go to other people's lands and behave anyhow they like in the name of one Nigeria, but control and restrict others that come to their lands.

Sharia law was supposed to be on the same level as customary law. It should only apply to people that subscribe to that custom or Religion. It should only cover civil matters such as marriage, divorce, inheritance, etc. But it is veering into criminal matters.

The annoying aspect is that they are only obsessed with sales and consumption of alcohol, probably because most people that sell alcohol are southerners. They are not interested in the selling of drugs such as Marijuana, codeine, tramadol, etc which are mainly sold and consumed by northerners themselves, and is a far bigger problem than alcohol.

Anyway, as a niger-deltan, I will not advice my people to go anywhere near the north outside Abuja.

wirinet:
You people talk rubbish in order to propagate your personal doctrine. What do you mean by unfermented juice? Do you even understand what fermentation means? The minute you squeeze juice out of its fruit, it starts fermenting. My wife who has very little alcohol tolerance has gotten tipsy on zobo she made and left in the fridge for 2 days. How did ancient Jews during the time of Jesus and even after unferment grape juice?

Which personal doctrine are you talking about, what does it benefits me if you drink wine or whatever you drink or all the verse I quoted was from my Bible? what are you trying to say because you are talking as if I am gaining anything from what you do or you don't do.

The Sharia law is an Islamic law practiced in an Islamic country e. g Saudi Arabia but because of greed finds it was to Nigeria (a secular country), and to the north because of illiteracy ( and yet adopted) to be used by on all citizens living under the territory . What a shame that religious stupidity have finds its way to the medulla oblongata of our citizens. I weep

onuman:
The same speed that the 12 northern sharia states governments used to adopt sharia criminal laws must be the same speed for the non-sharia states to use to adopt laws banning open grazing of cows in their states.

Our governors are cowards, what's stops them forming a cow police and slaughtering any cow in sight the way Hisbah police is destroying any beer bottle in sight?

Angelawhite:
But Jesus turned water into wine. Wine is being served as Holy Communion

Which wine are you talking about, the fermented vine or the unfermented wine because you are as if you were there.

Jerryherd:
First Answer; arrest of criminals can be done by anybody for crimes committed (state police, local police , agency etc) however only constitutionally approved agency of Government can prosecute such crime in court

For example LASMA a Lagos state agency like Hisbah Kano State agency can arrest and impound your car for traffic violation just as Hisbah seizes Alcohol in Kano

Second Answer; yes Prohibition of Alcohol, and establishment of Hisbah is a Law and ACT passed by Kano State Legislature and State Government, and it is Gazzeted as Kano law bidding to all residents

But who gave hisbah the Express rights to destroy alcohol & not hand over defaulters to the right prosecutors?

BluntCrazeMan:
You see..
You're saying something that is not supporting your own argument.
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So, if the State doesn't support Sharia Law, why would the Hisbah Police be enforcing the laws on people who are not under their authority??
(Hisbah Police is just similar to ushers and church wardens in the churches).. Was the Hisbah Police authorised by the State to enforce its Sharia Law on every residents in the state?
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If parts of the Sharia Law is accepted as a State Law in some States, then it is the work of the Nigerian Police in that State, or constitutionally state-drafted police that should enforce such laws.
NOT SOME RELIGIOUS POLICE.!!

You are too intelligent..

IamWonderful:
Which personal doctrine are you talking about, what does it benefits me if you drink wine or whatever you drink or all the verse I quoted was from my Bible? what are you trying to say because you are talking as if I am gaining anything from what you do or you don't do.

And I gain nothing whether you drunk wine or not, but allow me to drink my kai-kai in peace.
It must be from your bible that differentiate fermented from unfermented wine. No such differentiation in the standard bible.

Nnamdi Kanu was prosecuted under the Sharia laws.

The judge, Nyako made it clear.
She advised his counsel to go and study the Islamic laws.

Jerryherd:
First Answer; arrest of criminals can be done by anybody for crimes committed (state police, local police , agency etc) however only constitutionally approved agency of Government can prosecute such crime in court

For example LASMA a Lagos state agency like Hisbah Kano State agency can arrest and impound your car for traffic violation just as Hisbah seizes Alcohol in Kano

Second Answer; yes Prohibition of Alcohol, and establishment of Hisbah is a Law and ACT passed by Kano State Legislature and State Government, and it is Gazzeted as Kano law bidding to all residents

hisbah is not in charge of traffic in Kano...karota are in charge