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Jesus' first coming to the earth was unannounced publicly!
Only those shepherds heard the angels and Satan sent his agents to alert Herod the great so that the baby could be killed.
Only John the baptist knew when God spoke from heaven to tell John "your assignment is complete" after baptising the Messiah.
So Jesus' second coming will be secret just as he went back to heaven in secret, only his faithful disciples knew about his departure! Act 1:11

shadeyinka:
So Jesus Christ came in secret!
Luk 17:22-24:
"And He said to the disciples, The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and you shall not see [it]. And they shall say to you, Lo, here! or, behold, there! Do not go away, nor follow. For as the lightning which lights up, flashing from the [one part] under heaven, [and] shines to the [other part] under heaven, so also shall the Son of man be in His day."
The coming of Christ will be NO SECRET!
See how they have confused you?
Jesus says: Do not follow they are impostures.

So all the signs that shows that Satan and his demons has been ousted from heaven is not enough sign from heaven shey?
OK you're expecting him to come and say "here i come i'm Jesus Christ", shey?

Sorry my friend, the last thing now is destruction coming upon all those who failed to acknowledge Jesus' brothers (GB) in this end time! Matthew 25:31-46

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is 100% correct because it's a one on one discussion and the preacher will have to continue teaching the person all that Christ Jesus commanded {Matthew 28:20} that's why Paul said @ Romans 10:11-15 there must be an organized group preaching and teaching in all communities and consistency the group of preachers must have the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} so that there can be PEACE amongst all those doing this work globally! 1Corinthians 14:33


Of course Christianity must be established in Ethiopia if the Eunuch want to continue worshiping the God of Philip who taught him, so a congregation must be formed otherwise what Philip planted in this man will die off if there is no watering! 1Corinthians 3:6 compare to Hebrew 10:24-25

And the Ethiopian Eunuch will loose has salvation as he is going to a "churchless" environment!?

For certainly, there was no organised church in Ethiopia till about (earliest) 3rd century after Christ (oral traditions put it about 4th century)

“According to Ethiopian tradition, Christianity first came to the Aksum Empire in the fourth century A.D. when a Greek-speaking missionary named Frumentius converted King Ezana.

https://www.ias.edu/news/in-the-media/butts-ethiopia-basilica

In other words, according to your position the Ethiopian Eunuch ended up loosing his salvation because no church existed throughout his lifetime in Ethiopia.

Can you see how warped your doctrine is. First you have some self appointed apostles who cannot say how Christ appointed them. Second, Jesus Christ came to your church in secret for 5 years contrary to the scriptures. No wonder your prophecies fell flat after 5 years of staying with Jesus.

Does this make any sense to you!?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus' first coming to the earth was unannounced publicly!
Only those shepherds heard the angels and Satan sent his agents to alert Herod the great so that the baby could be killed.
Only John the baptist knew when God spoke from heaven to tell John "your assignment is complete" after baptising the Messiah.
So Jesus' second coming will be secret just as he went back to heaven in secret, only his faithful disciples knew about his departure! Act 1:11




So all the signs that shows that Satan and his demons has been ousted from heaven is not enough sign from heaven shey?
OK you're expecting him to come and say "here i come i'm Jesus Christ", shey?

Sorry my friend, the last thing now is destruction coming upon all those who failed to acknowledge Jesus' brothers (GB) in this end time! Matthew 25:31-46

Please look at the scripture and tell us exactly what it means.

Luk 17:22-24:
"And He said to the disciples, The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and you shall not see [it]. And they shall say to you, Lo, here! or, behold, there! Do not go away, nor follow. For as the lightning which lights up, flashing from the [one part] under heaven, [and] shines to the [other part] under heaven, so also shall the Son of man be in His day."

Let me also give you the testament of Matthew.

Mat 24:27:
"For as the lightning comes out of the east, and shines even to the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

Will Jesus second coming be in secret according to the scriptures?

Is your organisations position higher to that of the scripture?

shadeyinka:
Salvation is is CHRIST alone, not even in the Apostles of Christ.
I believe you can see clearly when I say you have replaced God with the Old men of your Governing Body.

Was Jesus present when Ananias and Saphirras was killed by God's Holy Spirit for lying to the ordinary and common Apostles? Peter said to Ananias "You have lied not to men but to God" {Act 5:4} who acted when the couple lied to the Apostles if they weren't God's representatives?

Phil 3:9:
"And be found in him, not having my own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:"

I don't know a single scripture that says you are saved by joining any organisation (Maybe you know some).

We both read the same book but meditation is where you and i differs!
Because if joining an organized group of people is not compulsory, then anybody can just say "Jesus is Lord" and continue with whatever he feels like doing. But it's the ORGANIZED group that will act when anyone goes contrary to the rules of the ORGANIZATION! 1Corinthians 5:12-13
Perhaps you think the adulterer Paul asked the Corinthian congregation to disfellowship wouldn't feel anything after all he can continue worshiping his Jesus with or without the congregation nah!

My guy!

Stop deceiving yourself!

shadeyinka:
And the Ethiopian Eunuch will loose has salvation as he is going to a "churchless" environment!?
For certainly, there was no organised church in Ethiopia till about (earliest) 3rd century after Christ (oral traditions put it about 4th century)
“According to Ethiopian tradition, Christianity first came to the Aksum Empire in the fourth century A.D. when a Greek-speaking missionary named Frumentius converted King Ezana.
https://www.ias.edu/news/in-the-media/butts-ethiopia-basilica
In other words, according to your position the Ethiopian Eunuch ended up loosing his salvation because no church existed throughout his lifetime in Ethiopia.
Can you see how warped your doctrine is. First you have some self appointed apostles who cannot say how Christ appointed them. Second, Jesus Christ came to your church in secret for 5 years contrary to the scriptures. No wonder your prophecies fell flat after 5 years of staying with Jesus.
Does this make any sense to you!?

So the same person who often travels annually to Jerusalem for hearing about a promised Messiah (saviour) will suddenly stop visiting Jerusalem after knowing that the promised Messiah has come and his followers (like Philip) are preaching and teaching in all the district shey?

Please what is happening to your brain nah?

MaxInDHouse:
The first time we chatted i told Shadeyinka that i wasn't on the thread for him but just making presentations to fish out the lost sheep. But he was so filled with ego back then thinking he's got what it takes to falsify JWs teachings, even when i implored him to let go he kept pestering me for a debate. So i accepted but today he's running up and down trying to say "all religions claiming Christians are OK just don't rely fully on their teachings" whereas before this debate he was so enthusiastic as if he will just trash JW Organization out of the way!
Shadeyinka and his cohorts are just as faithless as those first century Jews, note that they never said Jesus is not performing what the scriptures foretold that the Messiah will do but they're expecting him to perform signs in harmony with what the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis taught them about the Messiah. Matthew 16:4
Even though they are fed up with all the gibberish their religious leaders infused in their brains as nothing benefitial is coming out of it yet they felt Jesus should just fulfill those things since that's what they're expecting him to do.
Shadeyinka and all his friends are fed up with all the misconceptions, fraud, lies, deceit, killings in their chuches all in pursuit for position yet they're expecting JWs to come and start performing what their Pastors taught them as duties of true men of God, yet none of them meet up with the expectation. So he's surely deceiving himself!

They are puzzled that more than 8.6million men and women around the globe subject themselves to 8 old men in Warwick, NY.
Matthew 24:45-47

Even though those “old men” have accomplished a lot under Jesus’ supervision[Isaiah 2:2-4, Matthew 24:14, John 13:34-35, 17:14-16, Acts 1:8, 10:34-35], they do not care for the evidence just like their counterparts in the first century. John 9:1-41
Even the Jewish man who was blind but could then see could discern that Jesus had God’s backing. John 9:31-34

So even after all seeing all the evidence that points to Jesus working with those “old men” and they still reject them then no need to bother because if they[lawless goats] don’t speak abusively about Jehovah’s Witnesses, then something is definitely wrong somewhere.
Luke 6:26, 1Peter 4:3,4

Let me remind you of a similar prophecy about the Messiah in the book of Joel, there God's word said "And i will give wonders in the heavens and on the , blood and fire and columns of smoke, the sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the coming of the great and inspiring day of Jehovah" Joel 2:30-31

Well Peter told his Jewish listeners that this events were in fulfilment in their time {Act 2:16-21} whereas the sun never turned dark nor moon to blood literally!

Come and let's TEACH you the meaning of what you're reading in our book otherwise you will perish!

shadeyinka:
Please look at the scripture and tell us exactly what it means.
Luk 17:22-24:
"And He said to the disciples, The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and you shall not see [it]. And they shall say to you, Lo, here! or, behold, there! Do not go away, nor follow. For as the lightning which lights up, flashing from the [one part] under heaven, [and] shines to the [other part] under heaven, so also shall the Son of man be in His day."
Let me also give you the testament of Matthew.
Mat 24:27:
"For as the lightning comes out of the east, and shines even to the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
Will Jesus second coming be in secret according to the scriptures?
Is your organisations position higher to that of the scripture?

shadeyinka:

The question has been very clear and simple: "How did Jesus choose these eight old men"?
Let make it easy for you to comprehend.
All apostles are personally Called, Sent/Commissioned and Empowered by Christ for the work of the gospel.
As a Christian, have I become an apostle if I devote my life, strength and resources to the gospel of Christ building churches all over the world and teaching believers to serve the Lord in truth and purity?
WHY?
If

Okay okay okay so how did you know that Jesus had God’s backing? Is it not because you saw it written in the Bible? Did God call all the Israelites, sit them down and tell them that Jesus was his Son[Messiah] or were they to come to that conclusion themselves when they examined the prophecies that had been said about the Messiah?


So you’re waiting for Jesus to come and SPEAK to you personally that those “old men” in Warwick, NY are his appointed slaves, right? I’ve got all the evidence I need that those “old men” are Christ’s brothers and I’m doing my possible best to support them by preaching about Jehovah and his Kingdom[Matthew 25:34-40] but I would never see myself as being opinionated so if you can’t come to your own conclusions that those “old men” were appointed by Jesus then no need for further debate because it’s by choice anyway to be a servant of Jehovah and an ardent follower of Jesus Christ. Joshua 24:15, Luke 14:27

DappaD:
They are puzzled that more than 8.6million men and women around the globe subject themselves to 8 old men in Warwick, NY.
Matthew 24:45-47

Even though those “old men” have accomplished a lot under Jesus’ supervision[Isaiah 2:2-4, Matthew 24:14, John 13:34-35, 17:14-16, Acts 1:8, 10:34-35], they do not care for the evidence just like their counterparts in the first century. John 9:1-41
Even the Jewish man who was blind but could then see could discern that Jesus had God’s backing. John 9:31-34

So even after all seeing all the evidence that points to Jesus working with those “old men” and they still reject them then no need to bother because if they[lawless goats] don’t speak abusively about Jehovah’s Witnesses, then something is definitely wrong somewhere.
Luke 6:26, 1Peter 4:3,4

My brother!

Shadeyinka is just slowly becoming fearful now that what he expected is not what is happening!

He wanted to rubbish Jehovah's Organization but now he's struggling to hide his face when his own Church ECWA has become irrelevant!

MaxInDHouse:
So the same person who often travels annually to Jerusalem for hearing about a promised Messiah (saviour) will suddenly stop visiting Jerusalem after knowing that the promised Messiah has come and his followers (like Philip) are preaching and teaching in all the district shey?

Please what is happening to your brain nah?

You want to infuse a yearly pilgrimage to the church of the JW organisation for the Eunuch to be saved!


Please don't change the topic:
1. Jesus stayed with your old men and foundation members for five good years. After this, they made prophecies about the end of the world and the establishment of God's kingdom on earth. How come they got it wrong? (The Apostles not Christ had three years of tutelage, yours had five years).
2. How did Jesus appear to these old men who governs your organisation?
3. Don't forget that some of them have died and have been replaced by other white men. Did these ones also see Jesus and How were they appointment apostles by Christ?

DappaD:
Okay okay okay so how did you know that Jesus had God’s backing? Is it not because you saw it written in the Bible? Did God call all the Israelites, sit them down and tell them that Jesus was his Son[Messiah] or were they to come to that conclusion themselves when they examined the prophecies that had been said about the Messiah?


So you’re waiting for Jesus to come and SPEAK to you personally that those “old men” in Warwick, NY are his appointed slaves, right? I’ve got all the evidence I need that those “old men” are Christ’s brothers and I’m doing my possible best to support them by preaching about Jehovah and his Kingdom[Matthew 25:34-40] but I would never see myself as being opinionated so if you can’t come to your own conclusions that those “old men” were appointed by Jesus then no need for further debate because it’s by choice anyway to be a servant of Jehovah and an ardent follower of Jesus Christ. Joshua 24:15, Luke 14:27

You still don't seem to get it!
According to you, signs, miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit have all ceased. For the sake of argument, let us agree with you that it is a true statement.

Can you then explain HOW these white old men saw Jesus and were commissioned by Him?

It is a simple question!

MaxInDHouse:
Let me remind you of a similar prophecy about the Messiah in the book of Joel, there God's word said "And i will give wonders in the heavens and on the , blood and fire and columns of smoke, the sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the coming of the great and inspiring day of Jehovah" Joel 2:30-31

Well Peter told his Jewish listeners that this events were in fulfilment in their time {Act 2:16-21} whereas the sun never turned dark nor moon to blood literally!

Come and let's TEACH you the meaning of what you're reading in our book otherwise you will perish!

I have asked a simple question:
1. Will Jesus second coming be in secret according to the scripture?
2. Will there be a third coming of Christ?

I want to understand please!

DappaD:
They are puzzled that more than 8.6million men and women around the globe subject themselves to 8 old men in Warwick, NY.
Matthew 24:45-47

Even though those “old men” have accomplished a lot under Jesus’ supervision[Isaiah 2:2-4, Matthew 24:14, John 13:34-35, 17:14-16, Acts 1:8, 10:34-35], they do not care for the evidence just like their counterparts in the first century. John 9:1-41
Even the Jewish man who was blind but could then see could discern that Jesus had God’s backing. John 9:31-34

So even after all seeing all the evidence that points to Jesus working with those “old men” and they still reject them then no need to bother because if they[lawless goats] don’t speak abusively about Jehovah’s Witnesses, then something is definitely wrong somewhere.
Luke 6:26, 1Peter 4:3,4

Isn't it more wondrous that more than 5 billion people are subject to satan in this generation?

Isn't it wondrous that one fifth of the population of the world are subject to one man Mohammed. They all face Mecca five times a day to Worship their God in the Kaaba!

Someone here is rejoicing over 8.6million people.!

No one have seen any evidence of Jesus with these eight old white men.

The Apostles chose n by Jesus had this characteristic
Acts 5:12-13:
"And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders worked among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch. And of the rest dared no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them."

But like your rhetoric: Jesus removed the power and you can't even tell us how Jesus appeared to them!

shadeyinka:
You want to infuse a yearly pilgrimage to the church of the JW organisation for the Eunuch to be saved!

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa the man will definitely look for means of communicating with the Christians, even you have refused to stop attending your irrelevant ECWA so you can't expect that man who show such appreciation for spiritual things to stay that long before going back to see his Christian brothers nah?

Please don't change the topic:
1. Jesus stayed with your old men and foundation members for five good years. After this, they made prophecies about the end of the world and the establishment of God's kingdom on earth. How come they got it wrong? (The Apostles not Christ had three years of tutelage, yours had five years).

The real topic is discussion on doctrines between a member of irrelevant ECWA Church and one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Please can you present one single PROPHECY they got wrong?

2. How did Jesus appear to these old men who governs your organisation?

My brother and i have told you but since the evidence doesn't sound good enough to you there is nothing we can do about it! John 9:27

3. Don't forget that some of them have died and have been replaced by other white men. Did these ones also see Jesus and How were they appointment apostles by Christ?

All the Apostles died and the older men took over the mantle of leadership of God's Organization until Satan's weed overshadowed them back then!
So it's not the figure 12 or 8 that matters but the fulfilment of gathering millions of people from all races to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!
That's what Jesus started and today millions are saying "because of the love Jesus shared with us, we have decided to resolve all our disputes amicably, we have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again, we are waiting for our King to come and destroy all rebellious humans that's making our home planet a battle field" Micah 4:1-3
Surely they are working as the faithful slave of the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6

shadeyinka:
I have asked a simple question:
1. Will Jesus second coming be in secret according to the scripture?
2. Will there be a third coming of Christ?

I want to understand please!

https://www.nairaland.com/6359010/matthew-24-3-it-coming

You might want to start your learning from God

shadeyinka:
Isn't it more wondrous that more than 5 billion people are subject to satan in this generation?

Isn't it wondrous that one fifth of the population of the world are subject to one man Mohammed. They all face Mecca five times a day to Worship their God in the Kaaba!

What distinguish Ecwa Church from this religious group?

shadeyinka:
I have asked a simple question:
1. Will Jesus second coming be in secret according to the scripture?

To those who are always conscious of their spiritual needs NO, but to faithless generation of people who are always expecting signs YES!

2. Will there be a third coming of Christ?
I want to understand please!

Yes! The first when John was preparing faithful Jews for his arrival, despite John's effort only few Jews (500) were his disciples who saw him off the earth. 1Corinthians 15:6
The second coming happened in 1914 when he came to appoint the faithful slave that will oversee his work to the end. Matthew 24:45-47
The third coming is to exterminate all those who rebel against his anointed brothers! Luke 19:27

So whether you believe or not we will sound the warning! Ezekiel 3:17-21

shadeyinka:

You still don't seem to get it!
According to you, signs, miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit have all ceased. For the sake of argument, let us agree with you that it is a true statement.
Can you then explain HOW these white old men saw Jesus and were commissioned by Him?
It is a simple question!

Okay I get you now. Those miraculous gifts of holy spirit especially the gift of prophecy that was used by Paul and Peter to pen down NEW prophecies that had not yet occurred concerning the conclusion of this system of things. For example, 1Thessalonians 4:15-17, 5:2,3; 2Thessalonians 1:6-10, & 2Peter 3:1-13 came as an expression of God’s holy spirit on those men which moved them to record NEW prophecies. Compare 2Peter 1:20-21

But the time for recording new inspired prophecies has past[1John 4:1] and any who thinks he is receiving new prophecies from God or angels is actually communicating with demons[Galatians 1:8, 1Timothy 4:1] because the miraculous gifts of holy spirit ceased to exist after the first century. 1Corinthians 13:8

This does not mean that God’s active force stopped functioning. It’s only with regards to those miraculous gifts that God’s holy spirit no more works in that capacity because Satan and his agents can easily duplicate those gifts. 2Thessalonians 2:9

God’s holy spirit still functions today and he gives it to those asking in sincerity. Luke 11:13
It helps Jehovah’s Witnesses in the following ways:
1. To be able to preach and teach about the good news of God’s Kingdom. Acts 1:8
2. To endure trials and difficult circumstances. 2Corinthians 4:7, Philippians 4:13
3. To be able to cultivate fruitage of holy spirit in their gathering. Galatians 5:22-23
4. To appoint those taking the lead amongst God’s people. Acts 20:28
And the last one which is tailored to your question;
5. To reveal hidden truths about prophecies that have already been recorded in the Bible and not new prophecies. 1Corinthians 2:10

Through the Scriptures, Jehovah’s Witnesses relying on God’s holy spirit have been able to discern that Matthew 24:3-7, Luke 21:10-11, 2Timothy 3:1-5, Revelation 6:2-8, 12:7-12 began to take place in the year 1914 which marked the beginning of the “last days” and shortly after that, Jesus said he was going to appoint a “faithful and discreet slave”[Matthew 24:45-47] which took place in 1919 and that’s when the preaching and teaching about God’s Kingdom from house to house started to take effect down to this day. Matthew 24:14

According to the prophet Daniel, only those having insight will understand what’s really going on. Daniel 12:10
So if you think Jesus is meant to speak directly with anybody in order for appointment to take place, then just know that you’re wasting your time because AS OF NOW, any voice you think you’re hearing from “heaven” is from Satan and his agents.
Matthew 24:23-25

haddeylium:
https://www.nairaland.com/6359010/matthew-24-3-it-coming
You might want to start your learning from God

Be has opened the way for honest hearted followers of this forum to gain insight so it's not compulsory for the agbèrò to enter for salvation!

DappaD:
Okay I get you now. Those miraculous gifts of holy spirit especially the gift of prophecy that was used by Paul and Peter to pen down NEW prophecies that had not yet occurred concerning the conclusion of this system of things. For example, 1Thessalonians 4:15-17, 5:2,3; 2Thessalonians 1:6-10, & 2Peter 3:1-13 came as an expression of God’s holy spirit on those men which moved them to record NEW prophecies. Compare 2Peter 1:20-21

But the time for recording new inspired prophecies has past[1John 4:1] and any who thinks he is receiving new prophecies from God or angels is actually communicating with demons[Galatians 1:8, 1Timothy 4:1] because the miraculous gifts of holy spirit ceased to exist after the first century. 1Corinthians 13:8

This does not mean that God’s active force stopped functioning. It’s only with regards to those miraculous gifts that God’s holy spirit no more works in that capacity because Satan and his agents can easily duplicate those gifts. 2Thessalonians 2:9

God’s holy spirit still functions today and he gives it to those asking in sincerity. Luke 11:13
It helps Jehovah’s Witnesses in the following ways:
1. To be able to preach and teach about the good news of God’s Kingdom. Acts 1:8
2. To endure trials and difficult circumstances. 2Corinthians 4:7, Philippians 4:13
3. To be able to cultivate fruitage of holy spirit in their gathering. Galatians 5:22-23
4. To appoint those taking the lead amongst God’s people. Acts 20:28
And the last one which is tailored to your question;
5. To reveal hidden truths about prophecies that have already been recorded in the Bible and not new prophecies. 1Corinthians 2:10

Through the Scriptures, Jehovah’s Witnesses relying on God’s holy spirit have been able to discern that Matthew 24:3-7, Luke 21:10-11, 2Timothy 3:1-5, Revelation 6:2-8, 12:7-12 began to take place in the year 1914 which marked the beginning of the “last days” and shortly after that, Jesus said he was going to appoint a “faithful and discreet slave”[Matthew 24:45-47] which took place in 1919 and that’s when the preaching and teaching about God’s Kingdom from house to house started to take effect down to this day. Matthew 24:14

According to the prophet Daniel, only those having insight will understand what’s really going on. Daniel 12:10
So if you think Jesus is meant to speak directly with anybody in order for appointment to take place, then just know that you’re wasting your time because AS OF NOW, any voice you think you’re hearing from “heaven” is from Satan and his agents.
Matthew 24:23-25

The question I asked is in the light HOW Jesus appointed the eight old white men and their successors.

At least for a person to call himself an apostle, such must have seen Christ and be commissioned by Him directly for the work of the gospel.

I want to know HOW they became Apostles!?

MaxInDHouse:
To those who are always conscious of their spiritual needs NO, but to faithless generation of people who are always expecting signs YES!




Yes! The first when John was preparing faithful Jews for his arrival, despite John's effort only few Jews (500) were his disciples who saw him off the earth. 1Corinthians 15:6
The second coming happened in 1914 when he came to appoint the faithful slave that will oversee his work to the end. Matthew 24:45-47
The third coming is to exterminate all those who rebel against his anointed brothers! Luke 19:27

So whether you believe or not we will sound the warning! Ezekiel 3:17-21

I rest my case if you could glaringly go contrary to the scriptures

Please look at the scripture and tell us exactly what it means.

Luk 17:22-24:
"And He said to the disciples, The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and you shall not see [it]. And they shall say to you, Lo, here! or, behold, there! Do not go away, nor follow. For as the lightning which lights up, flashing from the [one part] under heaven, [and] shines to the [other part] under heaven, so also shall the Son of man be in His day."

Mat 24:27:
"For as the lightning comes out of the east, and shines even to the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

haddeylium:
What distinguish Ecwa Church from this religious group?

I do not promote nor teach ECWA or any denomination. I preach Christ and His Gospel of Salvation.

haddeylium:
https://www.nairaland.com/6359010/matthew-24-3-it-coming

You might want to start your learning from God

The questions are so elementary and doesn't require some long epistles.

The answer is either YES or NO!
If you like support the YES or NO with scriptures!

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa the man will definitely look for means of communicating with the Christians, even you have refused to stop attending your irrelevant ECWA so you can't expect that man who show such appreciation for spiritual things to stay that long before going back to see his Christian brothers nah?



The real topic is discussion on doctrines between a member of irrelevant ECWA Church and one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Please can you present one single PROPHECY they got wrong?


My brother and i have told you but since the evidence doesn't sound good enough to you there is nothing we can do about it! John 9:27




All the Apostles died and the older men took over the mantle of leadership of God's Organization until Satan's weed overshadowed them back then!
So it's not the figure 12 or 8 that matters but the fulfilment of gathering millions of people from all races to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!
That's what Jesus started and today millions are saying "because of the love Jesus shared with us, we have decided to resolve all our disputes amicably, we have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again, we are waiting for our King to come and destroy all rebellious humans that's making our home planet a battle field" Micah 4:1-3
Surely they are working as the faithful slave of the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6

If your claim is that spiritual gifts, miracles and special callings have ceased, HOW does your old white men get their calling directly from Christ.

Prophecies By Russell and co:
1878: End of the harvest
1881: A revised end of the harvest
1914: The end of human rulership
1918: The new terminus
1925: Resurrection of the patriarchs
1975: The worldwide jubilee
Armageddon to come within 20th century

It's amazing that 5 good years of tutelage yet they got all these wrong. What then was Jesus teaching them!?

MaxInDHouse:
During creation there was two persons {Proverbs 8:22-29 compare to John 1:1-4}
So God was talking to Michael (Jesus) who was beside him working as a Craftsman! Proverbs 8:30

Please present just one single Servant of God who addressed God as three persons!

How convenient to maneuver the Bible to suit your doctrine. The Bible says no such thing about Michael or any angel. It says Elohim and it was an emphatic US/OUR when it came to making man. Man was not created in the image or likeness of any angel. We were created in the image and likeness of God Almighty. God doesn't need to consult angels. He introduced Himself as Elohim several times and i know you're not that blind, you saw me quoting Abraham referring to God as Elohim. Gen 22:8 

BTW, you forgot to add that they were there persons. The Spirit of God was there.

shadeyinka:
I rest my case if you could glaringly go contrary to the scriptures

That's exactly what the Jewish community taught about Jesus and his disciples!
They thought these people were going contrary to the scriptures that's why Jesus said "wisdom is justified by her Children"
So present the group of people going in tune with the scriptures!

Luk 17:22-24:
"And He said to the disciples, The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and you shall not see [it]. And they shall say to you, Lo, here! or, behold, there! Do not go away, nor follow. For as the lightning which lights up, flashing from the [one part] under heaven, [and] shines to the [other part] under heaven, so also shall the Son of man be in His day."

Jesus is here talking about different churches claiming Christians and shouting up and down using all forms of social media to call people for signs and wonders (which indirectly means the Christ is in their midst). So a JW should stay with the Organization that taught him all what he knew about Jehovah and his son!

Someone must have been preached to and taught before keeping all these sayings at heart Sir, those sent to go and TEACH people in the comfort of their homes are JWs!

Mat 24:27:
"For as the lightning comes out of the east, and shines even to the west; so shall also the coming presence of the Son of man be."

All what the Organization of JWs have taught the disciple will be unfolding one after another to prove that Jesus is around and working with his people spiritually!

shadeyinka:

The question I asked is in the light HOW Jesus appointed the eight old white men and their successors.
At least for a person to call himself an apostle, such must have seen Christ and be commissioned by Him directly for the work of the gospel.
I want to know HOW they became Apostles!?

Do you know why you’re funny? We all know that God created the entire universe because of the written record[Bible] and the evidence all around us. Genesis 1:1, Romans 1:20

Yet, atheists and agnostics do not believe this. Some atheists have agreed that the universe indeed came through intelligent process but they’re not ready to concede that it was a “God” behind it so that’s why they keep asking
“If God created the universe, then HOW did he do it?” even with all the evidence around us.
There is evidence that those “old men” were appointed by Jesus Christ but you keep on asking “HOW did Jesus choose them?”

In that case, you’re no more different from the atheists and agnostics because in essence you’re saying “Yes, Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing everything Jesus asked true Christians to do but HOW did Jesus choose them?” even with all the convincing evidence.

HOW? HOW?? HOW ??.?

Go and look up the meaning of that English word “DISCERNMENT” because you’re an infant when it comes to spiritual things. Hebrews 5:14

Through God’s holy spirit, only Jehovah’s Witnesses were able to DISCERN that those events at Matthew 24:3-7 would begin to take place in 1914 so it’s only amongst them that the “faithful and discreet slave” would emerge.
Matthew 24:45-47

shadeyinka:
If your claim is that spiritual gifts, miracles and special callings have ceased, HOW does your old white men get their calling directly from Christ.

Prophecies By Russell and co:
1878: End of the harvest
1881: A revised end of the harvest
1914: The end of human rulership
1918: The new terminus
1925: Resurrection of the patriarchs
1975: The worldwide jubilee
Armageddon to come within 20th century

It's amazing that 5 good years of tutelage yet they got all these wrong. What then was Jesus teaching them!?

Please can you present just one evidence for any of these accusations?
Note that the first century Christians were saying the Lord's day is near almost 2,000 years ago!
But they never gave a specific date!
So can you now see that you're a descendant of their persecutors who were killing them because Jesus never came back in the first century as those critics interpreted the utterances of Jesus' disciples!

My friend it was archangel Michael that JEHOVAH was talking to when he said "come let us make man in our image"
And you err when you said humans weren't created in the likeness of angels because angels were intelligent creatures and on this planet the only intelligent creature in flesh is man.
For your information that's why angels came down to mate with the females amongst the creatures made in their likeness, they didn't mate with animals! Genesis 6:1-2

Image123:
How convenient to maneuver the Bible to suit your doctrine. The Bible says no such thing about Michael or any angel. It says Elohim and it was an emphatic US/OUR when it came to making man. Man was not created in the image or likeness of any angel. We were created in the image and likeness of God Almighty. God doesn't need to consult angels. He introduced Himself as Elohim several times and i know you're not that blind, you saw me quoting Abraham referring to God as Elohim. Gen 22:8 

BTW, you forgot to add that they were there persons. The Spirit of God was there.

MaxInDHouse:
My friend it was archangel Michael that JEHOVAH was talking to when he said "come let us make man in our image"
And you err when you said humans weren't created in the likeness of angels because angels were intelligent creatures and on this planet the only intelligent creature in flesh is man.
For your information that's why angels came down to mate with the females amongst the creatures made in their likeness, they didn't mate with animals! Genesis 6:1-2

i hope you are normal, where do you think you are? Was it Mr C Russel that told you that God was talking to angel Michael or where is it in the Bible?
Man is not like angels but like God. Why does Elohim have to talk to angel Michael, why not Gabriel or any of the four living creatures? Elohim which is already in plural talks to God in the creation of man. Is satan an intelligent creature? Are animals unintelligent creatures? Where did you get this fable about angels and humans being intelligent? Was Jehovah also looking for Michael's help here?
Genesis 11v7 Come! Let us go down there and confuse their language in order that they may not understand one another’s language.”

MaxInDHouse:
Please can you present just one evidence for any of these accusations?
Note that the first century Christians were saying the Lord's day is near almost 2,000 years ago!
But they never gave a specific date!
So can you now see that you're a descendant of their persecutors who were killing them because Jesus never came back in the first century as those critics interpreted the utterances of Jesus' disciples!

If i don't know anyone, this one is viral. Your doctrine is what you are denying shamelessly like this. i tire for you. Does Jwickedness not teach you that God hates lying?

MaxInDHouse:
Was Jesus present when Ananias and Saphirras was killed by God's Holy Spirit for lying to the ordinary and common Apostles? Peter said to Ananias "You have lied not to men but to God" {Act 5:4} who acted when the couple lied to the Apostles if they weren't God's representatives?


We both read the same book but meditation is where you and i differs!
Because if joining an organized group of people is not compulsory, then anybody can just say "Jesus is Lord" and continue with whatever he feels like doing. But it's the ORGANIZED group that will act when anyone goes contrary to the rules of the ORGANIZATION! 1Corinthians 5:12-13
Perhaps you think the adulterer Paul asked the Corinthian congregation to disfellowship wouldn't feel anything after all he can continue worshiping his Jesus with or without the congregation nah!

My guy!

Stop deceiving yourself!

So, an apostle is now one who the holy spirit speak to?
Even the disciples of which Philip and Stephen where included were not Apostles! SMH!!