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So being a Christian now means we should tolerate every sort of nonsense?

Kayberg:
So being a Christian now means we should tolerate every sort of nonsense?

Tolerate? No. Jesus asked you to love even your enemies who slap both your cheeks 7 time 70 times!

Being a Christian is not easy nor is it for the weak!

budaatum:


Tolerate? No. Jesus asked you to love even your enemies who slap both your cheeks 7 time 70 times!

Being a Christian is not easy nor is it for the weak!

Sure….
Just same way you must also sell your cloak to purchase a sword.
You should understand His words first before quoting.

Kayberg:


Sure….
Just same way you must also sell your cloak to purchase a sword.
You should understand His words first before quoting.

Yes, you should understand. Even if you sell your cloak and buy a sword you will find it useless since you have no enemies.

budaatum:


Yes, you should understand. Even if you sell your cloak and buy a sword you will find it useless since you have no enemies.

There will always be enemies bro, even Jesus Christ who was blameless had enemies talk less of we mere mortals .

Naybahood:


There will always be enemies bro, even Jesus Christ who was blameless had enemies talk less of we mere mortals .

Not true. There is a difference between the existence of enemies, and one having enemies.

You can decide you want to be an enemy for instance, but a Christian should not see you as an enemy and must kill you with love.

Do know that I am not claiming I am perfect like that. Just that that is the Christian standard.

buda often fails.

budaatum:


Yes, you should understand. Even if you sell your cloak and buy a sword you will find it useless since you have no enemies.

There is a difference between fighting an enemy with a physical sword and defending your people….
Hope you know that this was exercised during the first crusade….

Kayberg:


There is a difference between fighting an enemy with a physical sword and defending your people….
Hope you know that this was exercised during the first crusade….

No, I do not know. Which crusade? Educate buda.

Highlighted doesn't mean physical SWORD!

Note what happens when his followers of twelve responded and brought out TWO swords, Jesus instantly realized that his friends are yet to grasp his spiritual language so he said "that is enough" Luke 22:36-38

You will understand better if you can IDENTIFY Jesus' true followers (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) today, each member have his or her own Spiritual SWORD {Ephesians 6:17} our swords are sharp at all times as you won't find us go about with incomplete Bibles even if we have to go about with tore clothes our Bibles must be intact because it's what Jesus asked us to cherish most! Luke 22:36

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Kayberg:

Sure….
Just same way you must also sell your cloak to purchase a sword.
You should understand His words first before quoting.

MaxInDHouse:
Highlighted doesn't mean physical SWORD!

Note what happens when his followers of twelve responded and brought out TWO swords, Jesus instantly realized that his friends are yet to grasp his spiritual language so he said "that is enough" Luke 22:36-38

You will understand better if you can IDENTIFY Jesus' true followers (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) today, each member have his or her own Spiritual SWORD {Ephesians 6:17} our swords are sharp at all times as you won't find us go about with incomplete Bibles even if we have to go about with tore clothes our Bibles must be intact because it's what Jesus asked us to cherish most! Luke 22:36

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Highlighted means both physical and spiritual sword.
Understanding the Bible is crucial.

Kayberg:


Highlighted means both physical and spiritual sword.
Understanding the Bible is crucial.

The Bible is very clear that when a physical sword is understood you have wasted your money because it is not to be used.

A Spiritual sword would be like the one Jesus used when he was tempted by satan on the mountain. Another way of referring to it is, "It is written", which cuts deep when wielded by those who know how to use it. Even Angels will come and wield swords on your behalf.

I'll like to see things from your point of view.

Can you provide an instance were the Christians made use of physical SWORD?
We all know that they were marthrs, that will be impossible if they do make use of physical weapons!

Kayberg:

Highlighted means both physical and spiritual sword. Understanding the Bible is crucial.

Kayberg:
So being a Christian now means we should tolerate every sort of nonsense?

Huh? Unmistakably you are one of them fru-fru Christians who do not even know what it is they signed up to believe in.

Kobojunkie:
Huh? Unmistakably you are one of them fru-fru Christians who do not even know what it is they signed up to believe in.

I'll lecture you if you need to know more.
That's all I'll say.

Kayberg:

I'll lecture you if you need to know more.
That's all I'll say.

Lecture me on fru-fru Christianity?

Kobojunkie:
Lecture me on fru-fru Christianity?

Explain your definition of 'fru-fru' Christianity.

Kayberg:

Explain your definition of 'fru-fru' Christianity.

Christianity that is not founded on the very teachings of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant agreement between God and one who claims to believe in Jesus Christ, is what I consider fru-fru Christianity.

An example of a fru-fru Christian is one who pretends to belong to Jesus Christ but does not even realize that He is bound by Law(Jesus Christ) to love His enemies, praying for them(never against them), and going the extra mile to keep the peace.

Kobojunkie:
Christianity that is not founded on the very teachings of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant agreement between God and one who claims to believe in Jesus Christ, is what I consider fru-fru Christianity.

An example of a fru-fru Christian is one who pretends to belong to Jesus Christ but does not even realize that He is bound by Law(Jesus Christ) to love His enemies, praying for them(never against them), and going the extra mile to keep the peace.

Is that all?

Kayberg:
Is that all?

You asked, and I answered

Kobojunkie:
You asked, and I answered

Will you pray for the Devil and love him because he is also your enemy? Will you reconcile with the forces of darkness to justify your error beliefs?
Being a true believer, is believing on the name of JESUS CHRIST.

Do you think a Christian must be slaughtered for every cause?
You should study deep down to know the difference between getting killed for the gospel and getting killed for ethnic cleansing.

Then you will know the meaning of he that has no sword, let him sell his cloth and buy one.

Acting in self defense does not make you less of a Christian.
Fighting for your country and family does not make you less of a Christian.
Defending your territory does not make you less of a Christian.
Being in possession of arms does not make you less of a Christian, but misusing it is what determines you being a murderer.
So know much about Christianity before weakening your own arms in the name of your error.

Kayberg:
Being a true believer, is believing on the name of JESUS CHRIST.

I am sorry, where did Jesus Christ teach you that if you believe in his name, you are a true believer? Have you ever actually read through any of the Gospels to learn what it means to be a true believer?
The passage below is from John 15, note that there Jesus Christ clearly tells you that He abides in those who obey His commandments, and not in those who reject His commandments.

John 15 vs 1-11(ESV)
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1. “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.
2. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
5. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he, it is, that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
6. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
7. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8. By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
9. As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.
10. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
11. These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

Is there some other definition for a true believer that you suppose Jesus Christ Himself did not get a memo on?

Kayberg:
Do you think a Christian must be slaughtered for every cause?

As far as Christianity is concerned, Jesus Christ is the Law, and according to one of His commandments, you are commanded, by Him, to love your enemies.... see below.

Matthew 5 vs 43-48 (ERV)
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43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sunrise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

If His Laws do not work for you, then don't be a Christian at all, it is that simple, and even for your own good, mind you.

Kayberg:
You should study deep down to know the difference between getting killed for the gospel and getting killed for ethnic cleansing.

Wars have existed since the very beginning of time - the teachings of Jesus Christ only the last 2000 years. If you find that His rules are not good enough for you, you are welcome to quit Jesus Christ completely. That is the sensible thing to do. But to pretend that He did not say what He is recorded to have said over 1950 before you were conceived is ludicrous.

Kayberg:
Then you will know the meaning of he that has no sword, let him sell his cloth and buy one.

Interesting line you pick there... but how about carefully examing that verse in the context to which it belongs?

Luke 22 vs 35-38 (ESV)
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35. And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36. He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.
37. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.”
38. And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”

According to Jesus Christ, He told this to His disciples at the time so that the scripture found in Isaiah 53 vs 12 might be fulfilled in Him. From Isaiah, we learn that Jesus Christ was numbered with the transgressors, yet he bore the sin of man, and makes intercession for the transgressors.

Isaiah 53 vs 11-12 (ESV)
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10. Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him; he has put him to grief;[g] when his soul makes[h] an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11. Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see[i] and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities.
12. Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,[j] and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,[k] because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors, yet he bore the sin of many and makes intercession for the transgressors.

Was that scripture not fulfilled when one of His disciples took a soldier's ear off, Jesus Christ having to put the ear back on after calming both parties down?

Luke 22 vs 47-53 (ESV)
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47. While he was still speaking, there came a crowd, and the man called Judas, one of the twelve, was leading them. He drew near to Jesus to kiss him,
48. but Jesus said to him, “Judas, would you betray the Son of Man with a kiss?”
49. And when those who were around him saw what would follow, they said, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?”
50. And one of them struck the servant[h] of the high priest and cut off his right ear.
51. But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him.
52. Then Jesus said to the chief priests and officers of the temple and elders, who had come out against him, “Have you come out as against a robber, with swords and clubs?
53. When I was with you day after day in the temple, you did not lay hands on me. But this is your hour and the power of darkness.”

* Note that the disciple who struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his ear during the chaos that ensued was also described as a transgressor in all of this.

Kayberg:

Acting in self defense does not make you less of a Christian.
Fighting for your country and family does not make you less of a Christian.
Defending your territory does not make you less of a Christian.
Being in possession of arms does not make you less of a Christian, but misusing it is what determines you being a murderer.
So know much about Christianity before weakening your own arms in the name of your error.

This disciple was also defending his "family" when he took the ear off of the high priest's servant, but instead of being called a "hero", he is called a "transgressor" by God - through His prophet Isaiah and through Jesus Christ Himself. You have to understand that this is the same God that announced "Vengence is mine".

Deuteronomy 32 vs 35 (ESV)
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35. Vengeance is Mine; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; for their day of disaster is near, and their doom is coming quickly."

Does that tell you that God sanctions your personal vendettas and whatnots? Are you certain you really know as much as you claim of the God you profess to worship?

Many of the apostles of the same Jesus Christ, when attacked and killed, were not recorded as defending themselves. The Story of Stephen serves still a reminder to all those who choose Christ that this is no cakewalk. Stephen never lifted a finger against his attackers that day but instead took the punishment for the sake of Jesus Christ.

If you feel, however, that you have territory, lands, nations, etc. that are important to you, treasures on this earth to defend, go right ahead and defend them but pretending you do so in the name of Jesus Christ - that is a copout!

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry, where did Jesus Christ teach you that if you believe in his name, you are a true believer? Have you ever actually read through any of the Gospels to learn what it means to be a true believer?

Would a "true believer" not be a person who actually understands what they claim they believe, and therefore know instead of merely believe and tremble?

Would you be a "true believer" if you believe there is no 10k in your pocket after you have checked and found no 10k in your pocket, or would you know there is no 10k in your pocket?

This is so you think. No response is required.

budaatum:


Would a "true believer" not be a person who actually understands what they claim they believe, and therefore know instead of merely believe and tremble?

Would you be a "true believer" if you believe there is no 10k in your pocket after you have checked and found no 10k in your pocket, or would you know there is no 10k in your pocket?

This is so you think. No response is required.

According to Jesus Christ, those who accept( trust) and obey His teachings/commandments are those who are His folllowers.

It is as simple as that!

Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ, those who accept( trust) and obey His teachings/commandments are those who are His folllowers.

It is as simple as that!

Yet, here you are arguing with a fellow believer about who truly believes while failing to realise the detriment of not understanding Christ.

I hope you realise we are talking about the same Christ who asked if you will obey God's command not to work to save your ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath, and who condemned the priest and the Levite for obeying God's command to not defile themselves. Or do you not know that that is part of the lesson taught in the Parable of the Orangutan?

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budaatum:


Yet, here you are arguing with a fellow believer about who truly believes while failing to realise the detriment of not understanding Christ.

I hope you realise we are talking about the same Christ who asked if you will obey God's command not to work to save your ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath, and who condemned the priest and the Levite for obeying God's command to not defile themselves. Or do you not know that that is part of the lesson taught in the Parable of the Orangutan?

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So by stating a FACT/TRUTH so someone who does not know it, you suppose one is arguing?

I suggest you go back through the conversation so you can better understand why correcting a misconception by stating the Truth as told us by Jesus Christ is not against the commandments of Jesus Christ Himself.

Kobojunkie:
So by stating a FACT/TRUTH so someone who does not know it, you suppose one is arguing?

I suggest you go back through the conversation so you can better understand why correcting a misconception by stating the Truth as told us by Jesus Christ is not against the commandments of Jesus Christ Himself.

I am not involving myself in your discussion. I am simply pointing out to you how you write stuff without seeming to understand the implications of what you write so that you can correct your own misconception.

Jesus disobeyed what people claimed was the Word of God. He taught also how stupid it was to insist on obeying the supposed Word of God, and he pointed out the hypocrisy of those who claim they obey the Word of God by showing God self would expect you to disobey the Word to do God's work as in defile yourself to save the injured person on the way worship your God or your ox in a well on the Sabbath.

I guess, as I pointed out, the Word of God to some is the words in the Bible instead of the Spirit Filled Understanding of the Word. But I am certain the Holy Spirit inside of you will determine truth.

budaatum:


I am not involving myself in your discussion. I am simply pointing out to you how you write stuff without seeming to understand the implications of what you write so that you can correct your own misconception.

Jesus disobeyed what people claimed was the Word of God. He taught also how stupid it was to insist on obeying the supposed Word of God, and he pointed out the hypocrisy of those who claim they obey the Word of God by showing God self would expect you to disobey the Word to do God's work as in defile yourself to save the injured person on the way worship your God or your ox in a well on the Sabbath.

I guess, as I pointed out, the Word of God to some is the words in the Bible instead of the Spirit Filled Understanding of the Word. But I am certain the Holy Spirit inside of you will determine truth.

I afraid I still don't follow.

As far as the teachings of Jesus Christ, Himself, is any of the statements I made wrong? If so, point it out so we can look through Jesus' teachings to find correction.

Kobojunkie:
I afraid I still don't follow.

As far as the teachings of Jesus Christ, Himself, is any of the statements I made wrong? If so, point it out so we can look through Jesus' teachings to find correction.

The first thing you can not accept is that the teachings of Jesus Christ are far more complex than just obeying commands that one believes.

Another thing you are failing to see is how belief actually blinds one to understanding, since to believe, one must assume one's understanding is so complete that one need not ask and seek and knock anymore to further learn. This second one is common amongst us all, which is why every time we feel like pointing to the twig in the eyes of kobojunkie, buda must mind the beam that is in the eyes of buda.

Do note that all my posts are "point it out so we can look through Jesus' teachings to find correction", but I need you to focus only on your own posts for now as I keep pointing out to you, because only after you understand you own words will you be prepared to go back to read and understand those of buda.

When you and I are prepared to learn, kobo (and believe me when I say that time will come by the Grace of God), we will look through the teachings of Christ with the Holy Spirit, and both learn.

budaatum:


The first thing you can not accept is that the teachings of Jesus Christ are far more complex than just obeying commands that one believes.

Another thing you are failing to see is how belief actually blinds one to understanding, since to believe, one must assume one's understanding is so complete that one need not ask and seek and knock anymore to further learn. This second one is common amongst us all, which is why every time we feel like pointing to the twig in the eyes of kobojunkie, buda must mind the beam that is in the eyes of buda.

Do note that all my posts are "point it out so we can look through Jesus' teachings to find correction", but I need you to focus only on your own posts for now as I keep pointing out to you, because only after you understand you own words will you be prepared to go back to read and understand those of buda.

When you and I are prepared to learn, kobo (and believe me when I say that time will come by the Grace of God), we will look through the teachings of Christ with the Holy Spirit, and both learn.

You are right that I cannot accept the simple teachings of Jesus Christ, which He taught, not to the educated but to a mostly uneducated bunch, mind you, as being complex.

And it's ok that you choose to believe differently. As He, Jesus Christ commands, I choose to accept and obey His teachings and will teach them to others as well.
It is ok if you do not agree with Jesus Christ or His teachings mind you. We are all entitled to our choice of what to believe in.

Kobojunkie:
You are right that I cannot accept the simple teachings of Jesus Christ, which He taught, not to the educated but to a mostly uneducated bunch, mind you, as being complex.

Nothing about Jesus' teaching is simple! Try letting your enemy slap your cheek 7 times 70 times and yiu will quickly learn this fact!

Kobojunkie:
And it's ok that you choose to believe differently. As He, Jesus Christ commands, I choose to accept and obey His teachings and will teach them to others as well.

Demons believe!

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Those who will Teach must understand.

Kobojunkie:
It is ok if you do not agree with Jesus Christ or His teachings mind you. We are all entitled to our choice of what to believe in.

Stop being dishonest like a satan tempting Jesus on a mountain twisting buda's words!

Seriously! How can you so misunderstand and allow yourself to write such a thing and hope it will not be noticed?

You know very well that it is Kobojunkie that I do not agree with, and not the teachings of Jesus Christ!

budaatum:

Nothing about Jesus' teaching is simple! Try letting your enemy slap your cheek 7 times 70 times and yiu will quickly learn this fact!
Demons believe!

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Those who will Teach must understand.
Stop being dishonest like a satan tempting Jesus on a mountain twisting buda's words!

Seriously! How can you so misunderstand and allow yourself to write such a thing and hope it will not be noticed?

You know very well that it is Kobojunkie that I do not agree with, and not the teachings of Jesus Christ!

I am still not certain what you keep going on about. If you disagree with what I started of Jesus Christ teaching, post evidence of this in Jesus Christ's own words.

No need to make an issue