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TheDestroyer:
I'm into mobile app development, but what will be your advice for me instead of looking for job upandan should I just make my apps and input ads the sell it myself?

Honestly I wish I could help. I don't know anything about mobile even making money from it. I only do web.

Etinosa1234:
Apt...

But the talk abt projects dey very funny.. ...

Didn't know people still do calculators and to-do list..

BTW.. I've completed my first app already... I'll upload it on playstore soon

Thanks parkevero millerules sparkle7 and others I can't remember for ur help...

Share link to app download when done.

tensazangetsu20:
Tech is honestly the best industry to get into right now. The opportunities are numerous. Almost every job vacancy out there is tech this tech that, developer this and developer that. I stayed in school for 4 years studying for a useless engineering degree and I have never in my life seen a vacancy for the rubbish I studied but there are tech roles every day. But in spite of so many jobs in tech, a lot of new developers struggle to get opportunities. I started being active in the tech community recently and I am meeting developers who have been coding for 5 to 7 years but have never had an opportunity. Talking with them has led me to discover that it's actually not the tech industry but a few of the reasons I am listing below.

1. You follow the trends: A lot of us developers love to focus on the sexy trendy stuff. Newsflash, what is sexy and trendy isn't used and even when used is used by very few companies. So millions of people who have struggled to learn the sexy stuff are all going to fight for those few roles out there. Take for example the latest coolest CSS framework tailwind. It's really cool and hyped up and it's like the go-to framework right now but the thing is in the industry people are still using bootstrap. People are learning tailwind but they don't know the number one CSS framework out there. Just because something is cool and sexy doesn't mean that everyone is going to switch to it overnight.

If you give junior developers a chance between Angular, React, and Vue. A lot of people are going to pick Vue. They will say it's sexy and cool and has a ton of GitHub stars. There are jobs using Vue but they are so few compared to React and Angular that you would be pigeonholing yourself by learning that. Theres a whole of difference between coding for fun and coding to get a job.

2. You have unrealistic expectations: This is something I usually see on Reddit cscareerquestions but it seems to becoming a norm amongst everybody. People believe that if your salary isnt starting at 100k USD a year or you dont work for a tech company, you arent a developer. Its so elitist and unfortunately a lot of developers in Nigeria are beginning to have this mindset. They learn HTML, CSS, JS. They have built absolutely no projects but because someone said you need the knowledge of DSA to get a job they immediately start grinding leetcode day and night with the hope of getting into Google. You learnt to code from a Udemy course and you really want to compete at DSAs with people who went to MIT. People who have been doing competitive programming since 5 years old. People who get gold medals at the international olympaids of informatics like its nothing. . Funny enough, I also had this mindset when I was learning to code but corrected myself later on. The truth is that not every tech job out there tests with DSA or needs knowledge of DSA and not everybody must work for a big tech company. This reasoning is so flawed. It is like saying every lawyer must work for law firms like wale olanipekun and co or every engineer must work for exxonmobil. There are a ton of jobs that will pay you well as a junior developer like really well and you need not struggle to get them. They wont test you with DSA. They would only look at the complexities of your projects and go through them with you. By well paid I am talking of 500k and above. Ask yourself how many people asking you to do DSA in Nigeria have not yet worked at Google. There are even whatsapp groups dedicated to DSA and if you cant solve one you are kicked out. The person giving you DSA is not working at Google or Facebook hmm give yourself a brain o.


3. You do not know how to cut off the bullshit from social media: There's so much information out there today but if you don't know how to cut off the bullshit from what you need, you would waste your time. A lot of influencers and creators are putting information out there for themselves. They follow the algorithms and put out what is going to give them the most value in terms of money for their time. If I put out WordPress content, nobody will watch it but if I go out there and make MERN stack tutorials I would be getting millions of views but to be truthful you do not need the MERN stack as a junior. No one is using MongoDB in prod. Very few websites use Nodejs. You are just limiting yourself with that. If you want to be a full stack developer look at things like C# and Java springboot. Those pay really really well and there are even certifications you can acquire in those frameworks that can help get you opportunities at enterprise companies that use them especially if you don't have a computer science degree.

4 Your projects are not worth paying for: People put out calculators, todo lists, tictactoe games and a lot of bullshit on their portfolio and wonder why they aren't getting interviews. You have applied for 100 jobs and haven't been called back and you absolutely do not know the reason why. Nobody is going to hire you with a to-do list and a calculator on your portfolio. Even if you get an interview, is a calculator something you are going to show your interviewer. What happened to making a social media application, a chat application, a blog, an analytic tool, a dashboard. Something that people actually use in the real world every day. I remember one of the first interviews I have, one of my projects was a payment application I used paystacks API for. Everything was done with HTML, CSS and Javascript and once my interviewer saw the project and the button I used to connect the API, he made an offer to me immediately. Your projects matter especially as a beginner. One solid project is better than 100 garbage projects.

5 You don't research: Honestly, in this tech thing, I take what everyone is saying as bullshit. The senior developer I work with an Australian guy was telling me to learn web assembly if I really want to get a job with visa sponsorship which I so desperately need. I am tired of remote especially doing it from this shithole zoo of a country. I went to Linkedin Jobs and various countries indeed websites and I couldn't even see up to 500 jobs total in web assembly. Why would I waste time learning something that has no jobs because it might be relevant in ten years. Nodejs came out in 2009 and it is still not relevant in 2021. What is the probability that web assembly will be relevant in 2031. Research. When people tell you to learn a technology. Go to linkedinjobs and indeed and check how many jobs exist for that technology worldwide. People always advise you from their own point of view but the point of view of a senior developer in America, Europe or Australia is not the same for you a junior developer in the world's poverty capital.

Tech pays provided you do it right men.

You can't compare web assembly and nodejs, do you know how much stress it will lift of people in the nearby future, you should also have foresight my brother.

TheDestroyer:
I'm into mobile app development, but what will be your advice for me instead of looking for job upandan should I just make my apps and input ads the sell it myself?

Go and find job my brother, Nigerian apps hardly go anywhere except it is made to render services.

Etinosa1234:
Apt...

But the talk abt projects dey very funny.. ...

Didn't know people still do calculators and to-do list..

BTW.. I've completed my first app already... I'll upload it on playstore soon

Thanks parkevero millerules sparkle7 and others I can't remember for ur help...

Bros I will need your help and advice on something.. Pls can u write me on whatsapp?
090seven50three8twoeight3
Thanks

SegFault:
You can't compare web assembly and nodejs, do you know how much stress it will lift of people in the nearby future, you should also have foresight my brother.

Bros I know web assembly and how good it is but men like I said in the post it's not relevant now. It might be in ten years no one knows. When that time reaches one will learn it. Person focuses on that now, hunger fit kill am before it becomes relevant o.

RemiAbdulSamad:
Boss your posts are always informative and eye opening.

Am learning to be a front end developer. Here are what I've learnt so far:

1. HTML
2. CSS
3. Sass
4. Bootstrap
5. JavaScript.

Am still learning JavaScript.

Once am done with Vanilla JavaScript, I hope to pick Vue or React.

I will like to learn Figma for UI/UX design. I'll like to be a front end developer and UI designer to increase my chance of getting a job.

Have a look at my portfolio = https://abdulsamad.xyz

Thanks boss

Op try add one JavaScript frame work, eg jquery

tensazangetsu20:
Bros I know web assembly and how good it is but men like I said in the post it's not relevant now. It might be in ten years no one knows. When that time reaches one will learn it. Person focuses on that now, hunger fit kill am before it becomes relevant o.

I don't mean focus just like a side stuff, like how people still learn C.

cixak95211:
If you'd not show ur LinkedIn, may ur parents die in ghastly motor accident before that 2 years is up. Amen.
An anonymous forum will case idioooots like you to feel everybody is in the same level as your poverty-stricken family.

You are very stvpid for involving and wishing his parents death because of mere differences in opinion. And you call yourself a matured man? WTF!!

Must his opinion align with yours? Why can't you argure constructively and leave it at that? What is really eating you up about this guy? Unbelievable!!

Nice article!
But you broke my heart where you said "The industry people are still using bootstrap".

ClixMaster:
You are very stvpid for involving and wishing his parents death because of mere differences in opinion. And you call yourself a matured man? WTF!!

Must his opinion align with yours? Why can't you argure constructively and leave it at that? What is really eating you up about this guy? Unbelievable!!

Be swift about hearing, be slow about speaking
go back and read tru and see who wished ill-luck first
cheers. I should have answered you back negatively but nah, not necessary

kbravo:
Nice article!
But you broke my heart where you said "The industry people are still using bootstrap".

Bootstrap is still the number one CSS framework out there. If you get a job today, theres a 90 percent chance of meeting boostrap in your code base. It is good to know before jumping to tailwind or the newer ones. Most times, the older ones is what people use contrary to popular opinion.

i almost got hit by bottles in the second page

Abeg, i'm going through a fullstack dev course by EdConnect, and we're being taught the following;

Html
css
javascript for client and server side
Application Testing
react
jquery
APIs
mongodb
cloud deployment

we are also building a webapp as we learn.

Please, what chances does one have if the above skills are well known. Or what more do i need to know to get my first job as a developer?
thanks!

Candid advise

Most jobs that pay well are in the Banks and you can easily get in if you are good
And you need to learn C# or Java

C# mostly
I develop applications in one of the new generation banks so I know what I am saying

C#, Java, Javascript, Angular, React, Azure
And thank me later

tensazangetsu20:
Bootstrap is still the number one CSS framework out there. If you get a job today, theres a 90 percent chance of meeting boostrap in your code base. It is good to know before jumping to tailwind or the newer ones. Most times, the older ones is what people use contrary to popular opinion.

I don't think you'd find any top companies still using Bootstrap, I can't even remember whether I've ever seen that in a job description recently or before. Most top companies aren't building monolithic project anymore, microservices and Rest API is what you'd see now. That's why it might be hard getting a job as full-stack developer compared to getting one for Backend or Frontend development. Bootstrap is not what the industry are still using.

techstack:
Candid advise

Most jobs that pay well are in the Banks and you can easily get in if you are good
And you need to learn C# or Java

C# mostly
I develop applications in one of the new generation banks so I know what I am saying

C#, Java, Javascript, Angular, React, Azure
And thank me later

I mentioned this unfortunately so many people overlook C# and Java. It is the language of enterprise software and its applications span way more than just coding. Other enterprise apps like SharePoint and Microsoft dynamics require knowledge of C#.

cixak95211:
Search Nairaland, and you'll never find me engaging in virtual "fisticuffs"
I had my reasons, u probably missed it, I stated it somewhere up above.

p.s.: even if you get antagonized, then refute and don't take it too personal. people get roasted and eaten alive on other forums
but when you antagonized here, they'll take it to the floor and want to play dirty, forgetting that 2 can play at the game.

Shut up, my friend. You threw the first insult and you are here talking nonsense

techstack:
Candid advise

Most jobs that pay well are in the Banks and you can easily get in if you are good
And you need to learn C# or Java

C# mostly
I develop applications in one of the new generation banks so I know what I am saying

C#, Java, Javascript, Angular, React, Azure
And thank me later

Well said, I advised someone to learn C++, or was it C sometimes ago, I almost got crucified
Funny how someone who hasn't spent a year in the game and still find his path
would offer better advice against people that have spent at least 6- 10 and have tried and failed multiple times . . . if I count correctly.

ClixMaster:
Shut up, my friend. You threw the first insult and you are here talking nonsense

I'll give you one more chance, simp
Next time read from back to front not front to back, this ain't Arabic
A**slicking Dumfuck!

This is the type of guy that is needed abroad.

Bro u ready. Japa

ClixMaster:
Shut up, my friend. You threw the first insult and you are here talking nonsense

boss, let sleeping dog lie jaree. you are both men, and not women.
you both are suppose to be guiding we the newbies rather than fighting.


i just posted about my learning path and i need a response, abeg.

techstack:
Candid advise

Most jobs that pay well are in the Banks and you can easily get in if you are good
And you need to learn C# or Java

C# mostly
I develop applications in one of the new generation banks so I know what I am saying

C#, Java, Javascript, Angular, React, Azure
And thank me later

Bro, I am learning C# through that book joseph albahari "c# 8.0 the definitive reference", That book is the bomb.
It is good to know there are C# devs here.

Very good post. You absolutely nailed it. But disappointed you have to call where you from zoo. Not sure if you are part of ipob warriors but neverthelessyou seem knowledgeable. Working on a project that actually solve issue in Nigeria might land you a visa sponsor job cos employer want people that are creative not people that see issue and decide to do nothing buy just condemn everyday or give up. Just a word of advice.

tensazangetsu20:
Tech is honestly the best industry to get into right now. The opportunities are numerous. Almost every job vacancy out there is tech this tech that, developer this and developer that. I stayed in school for 4 years studying for a useless engineering degree and I have never in my life seen a vacancy for the rubbish I studied but there are tech roles every day. But in spite of so many jobs in tech, a lot of new developers struggle to get opportunities. I started being active in the tech community recently and I am meeting developers who have been coding for 5 to 7 years but have never had an opportunity. Talking with them has led me to discover that it's actually not the tech industry but a few of the reasons I am listing below.

1. You follow the trends: A lot of us developers love to focus on the sexy trendy stuff. Newsflash, what is sexy and trendy isn't used and even when used is used by very few companies. So millions of people who have struggled to learn the sexy stuff are all going to fight for those few roles out there. Take for example the latest coolest CSS framework tailwind. It's really cool and hyped up and it's like the go-to framework right now but the thing is in the industry people are still using bootstrap. People are learning tailwind but they don't know the number one CSS framework out there. Just because something is cool and sexy doesn't mean that everyone is going to switch to it overnight.

If you give junior developers a chance between Angular, React, and Vue. A lot of people are going to pick Vue. They will say it's sexy and cool and has a ton of GitHub stars. There are jobs using Vue but they are so few compared to React and Angular that you would be pigeonholing yourself by learning that. Theres a whole of difference between coding for fun and coding to get a job.

2. You have unrealistic expectations: This is something I usually see on Reddit cscareerquestions but it seems to becoming a norm amongst everybody. People believe that if your salary isnt starting at 100k USD a year or you dont work for a tech company, you arent a developer. Its so elitist and unfortunately a lot of developers in Nigeria are beginning to have this mindset. They learn HTML, CSS, JS. They have built absolutely no projects but because someone said you need the knowledge of DSA to get a job they immediately start grinding leetcode day and night with the hope of getting into Google. You learnt to code from a Udemy course and you really want to compete at DSAs with people who went to MIT. People who have been doing competitive programming since 5 years old. People who get gold medals at the international olympaids of informatics like its nothing. . Funny enough, I also had this mindset when I was learning to code but corrected myself later on. The truth is that not every tech job out there tests with DSA or needs knowledge of DSA and not everybody must work for a big tech company. This reasoning is so flawed. It is like saying every lawyer must work for law firms like wale olanipekun and co or every engineer must work for exxonmobil. There are a ton of jobs that will pay you well as a junior developer like really well and you need not struggle to get them. They wont test you with DSA. They would only look at the complexities of your projects and go through them with you. By well paid I am talking of 500k and above. Ask yourself how many people asking you to do DSA in Nigeria have not yet worked at Google. There are even whatsapp groups dedicated to DSA and if you cant solve one you are kicked out. The person giving you DSA is not working at Google or Facebook hmm give yourself a brain o.


3. You do not know how to cut off the bullshit from social media: There's so much information out there today but if you don't know how to cut off the bullshit from what you need, you would waste your time. A lot of influencers and creators are putting information out there for themselves. They follow the algorithms and put out what is going to give them the most value in terms of money for their time. If I put out WordPress content, nobody will watch it but if I go out there and make MERN stack tutorials I would be getting millions of views but to be truthful you do not need the MERN stack as a junior. No one is using MongoDB in prod. Very few websites use Nodejs. You are just limiting yourself with that. If you want to be a full stack developer look at things like C# and Java springboot. Those pay really really well and there are even certifications you can acquire in those frameworks that can help get you opportunities at enterprise companies that use them especially if you don't have a computer science degree.

4 Your projects are not worth paying for: People put out calculators, todo lists, tictactoe games and a lot of bullshit on their portfolio and wonder why they aren't getting interviews. You have applied for 100 jobs and haven't been called back and you absolutely do not know the reason why. Nobody is going to hire you with a to-do list and a calculator on your portfolio. Even if you get an interview, is a calculator something you are going to show your interviewer. What happened to making a social media application, a chat application, a blog, an analytic tool, a dashboard. Something that people actually use in the real world every day. I remember one of the first interviews I have, one of my projects was a payment application I used paystacks API for. Everything was done with HTML, CSS and Javascript and once my interviewer saw the project and the button I used to connect the API, he made an offer to me immediately. Your projects matter especially as a beginner. One solid project is better than 100 garbage projects.

5 You don't research: Honestly, in this tech thing, I take what everyone is saying as bullshit. The senior developer I work with an Australian guy was telling me to learn web assembly if I really want to get a job with visa sponsorship which I so desperately need. I am tired of remote especially doing it from this shithole zoo of a country. I went to Linkedin Jobs and various countries indeed websites and I couldn't even see up to 500 jobs total in web assembly. Why would I waste time learning something that has no jobs because it might be relevant in ten years. Nodejs came out in 2009 and it is still not relevant in 2021. What is the probability that web assembly will be relevant in 2031. Research. When people tell you to learn a technology. Go to linkedinjobs and indeed and check how many jobs exist for that technology worldwide. People always advise you from their own point of view but the point of view of a senior developer in America, Europe or Australia is not the same for you a junior developer in the world's poverty capital.

Tech pays provided you do it right men.

cixak95211:
Well said, I advised someone to learn C++, or was it C sometimes ago, I almost got crucified
Funny how someone who hasn't spent a year in the game and still find his path
would offer better advice against people that have spent at least 6- 10 and have tried and failed multiple times . . . if I count correctly.

You are right
As I am typing this we are moving all the applications to micro-services using C# dotNet Core 5.
So many jobs for c# developers in Naija, young devs need to look at the market and environment.
You are in Naija and following the trend in US

techstack:
Candid advise

Most jobs that pay well are in the Banks and you can easily get in if you are good
And you need to learn C# or Java

C# mostly
I develop applications in one of the new generation banks so I know what I am saying

C#, Java, Javascript, Angular, React, Azure
And thank me later

Very good, what aspects of C# must I learn for example asp.Net, application development (GUI) and all

techstack:
You are right
As I am typing this we are moving all the applications to micro-services using C# dotNet Core 5.
So many jobs for c# developers in Naija, young devs need to look at the market and environment.
You are in Naija and following the trend in US

C# and C++ are not the same thing. He was asking newbies to learn C++. What will a junior developer do with C++ in NIgeria. It has its own use cases but those industries are unavailable here.

cixak95211:
Well said, I advised someone to learn C++, or was it C sometimes ago, I almost got crucified
Funny how someone who hasn't spent a year in the game and still find his path
would offer better advice against people that have spent at least 6- 10 and have tried and failed multiple times . . . if I count correctly.

C and C++ kwa, I am good in C what jobs can I get with the language. As for c++ I've never seen such a dumb and clunky language and it's still being loaded with trash.

li2pac1717:
Very good post. You absolutely nailed it. But disappointed you have to call where you from zoo. Not sure if you are part of ipob warriors but neverthelessyou seem knowledgeable. Working on a project that actually solve issue in Nigeria might land you a visa sponsor job cos employer want people that are creative not people that see issue and decide to do nothing buy just condemn everyday or give up. Just a word of advice.

The greatest problem in Nigeria is poverty. No amount of code can solve that one. Even God has removed his hand from Naija matter.

cixak95211:
Be swift about hearing, be slow about speaking
go back and read tru and see who wished ill-luck first
cheers. I should have answered you back negatively but nah, not necessary

And you think answering me negatively will move me? Did he wish your parents death? Why drag his parents? Are they the ones arguing with you? Foool!

ClixMaster:
And you think answering me negatively will move me? Did he wish your parents death? Why drag his parents? Are they the ones arguing with you? Foool!

Guy you need to invest in adult education . . he wished my company death in 2 yrs and I returned it by wishing his parents death within the same time frame in return. If you cant see it, don't blame me . Go sell phones or something, am busy

cixak95211:
Guy you need to invest in adult education . . he wished my company death in 2 yrs and I returned it by wishing his parents death within the same time frame in return. If you cant see it, don't blame me . Go sell phones or something, am busy

Yeah after you wished me being useless with salesforce in 2 years. You can't take what you dish out men.