ChocolateWine:


At least you're not sure yet. What's the possible contradictions?


Give an example. True Christians church don't pick and select the Bible.





Historians back the writings of the Bible. They were written by men that historians can attest to.

However the Bible outlived any book of it's time, even scientific books. His mates have become outdated. No man can match that record.

The wisdom of the Bible remains practical down to our day. Most scientific books lose their value after sometime, just as your kid won't read the books you read in school. Normal humans can't match that.

The Bible is scientifically accurate. Even before science open eyes. So it's more than human.

The Bible speaks prophecies that took 200 years and more for them to happen. At least historians can attest to that.

The Bibles understanding of human remains accurate down any generation, no book can match that.


The Bible was written by several men who never knew each other but were able to write things that accurately matches the other person. It's like writing a story book and you tell 100 men to write it without each of them talking or meeting each other. The story book would be a jargon.


The list goes on and on.....




Depends on your definition of hell. The Bible doesn't teach eternal torment. Even Adam didn't go to hell.



Still boils down to your definition of heaven. Man was never created to live in heaven.





Which part?






Which part?

Interesting.

Please, I want to know your perspective on the Bible teaching about hell.

Righteousness2:
What you Have as a Bonafide Child of GOD is above Money!
Money is too little if you know what you are as a Genuie son/daughter of GOD.
It's unfortunate that will are in a world where people see Money as the ultimate.

If you Have a Genuie relationship with JESUS you Have ALL Things. You Control All things! You Have the Ultimate.

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Surprise me nah

Fahdiga:
Chai how do I become a pastor. this people are cashing out big time without paying taxes. I think I have to start practicing how to speak in tongues and threatening people to donate money to me

So learning to spew rubbish needs practice. You are too dull to be a pastor. You no be guy man at all.

ChocolateWine:


Why didn't the 12 apostles amass wealth like he's doing?

Does he speak in tongue more than the 12 apostles?

What does the Bible say men of God did when people where dashing them money?

you can't compare that time to this time,something's happened in the old testament that didn't happen in the new testament

SatanicPriest:
1m dollars is about 500m naira. a normal general cant afford that. see to slap you dey hungry me. tongys kee u there abobi

proverbs 13:22 Good people will have wealth to leave to their grandchildren, but the wealth of sinners will go to the righteous.

omojesu202:


spokesman, so you don't know Suleiman is too controversial to be a leader let alone a pastor. today na pussy, tomorrow na person wife, next tomorrow na private jet from offering

The bigger you are,people will try to bring you down but God will use those controversies to announce you,Can't you see how popular he is

Nightalan:

Are these the stupid tales by moonlight your pastor is telling you? Where tf did an ex-general get a million $$ to dash out like a drop in a bucket. You guys have lost your mind and way in these so called churches!

proverbs 13:22 Good people will have wealth to leave to their grandchildren, but the wealth of sinners will go to the righteous.

Jafaar:
you can't compare that time to this time,something's happened in the old testament that didn't happen in the new testament

Christians are new testament. Old testament doesn't invalidate God's standard.

Is there a new testament today's Christians are using? Christians are followers of Christ. Isrealites are followers of the mosaic law. Is there another one for modern generation Christians we're not aware of?

Or you're trying to create one? I'm asking so we won't be confused but united as the others were.


Jesus and the apostles are the example we're imitating. They were written as examples for us, the Bible says.

stgift:



My brother, if you say this that means you know nothing. Do you know what is speaking in tongues? Do you think its the gibberish nonsense some pastors speak on the pulpit? Go and read the book of Acts chapter 2. Understand it well and then you can pray to God to know if what those pastors speak are really what the Bible describes as speaking in tongues.

Read Corinthians 1:14,anyone who speaks in unknown tounges speak not into men but to God and edifys himself, read your Bible very well it is the only spiritual gift which can be promoted willingly,you can be prompted by the spirit but a normal born again Christian has this gift.
This gibberish you call have believe and speak it for 1 hour everyday if you will remain the same

studentofTruth:


Interesting.

Please, I want to know your perspective on the Bible teaching about hell.

First I can't find hell in the Bible. If you have show me, I'll take it from there.

You can also point to any Bible reference you're alluding to as hell so I can take it from there.


Like I've mentioned the Bible doesn't teach the punishment of man in a burning fiery torment. Adam was told, dust you are and dust you would return.

Who would watch someone suffer in fire forever and never feel sorry for them? Even you as a human would be moved, talk more of God that we learnt love from or found created as an image of him

ChocolateWine:


Christians are new testament. Old testament doesn't invalidate God's standard.

Is there a new testament today's Christians are using? Christians are followers of Christ. Isrealites are followers of the mosaic law. Is there another one for modern generation Christians we're not aware of?

Or you're trying to create one? I'm asking so we won't be confused but united as the others were.


Jesus and the apostles are the example we're imitating. They were written as examples for us, the Bible says.

but you can pray the Lord is my shepherd which is old testament,even Jesus said he has not come to do away with the law of Moses .The world has developed you need money to spread the gospel,even native doctors eat from the shrine,A worker should be guaranteed his wages.
Jesus was trying to show an example that his apostles should not value money over him for other preachers of now to understand.Now because the spend money,you are not in their heart does not mean the value their money over God

Christianity should not be ridiculed no matter what anyone says.

Don't give the un-believers any chance to ridiculed the faith by your comments.


Many are actually church- goers they don't really believe in christ, they found themselves being taken to church without any explanation from parents, and today they are hypocrites

ChocolateWine:


First I can't find hell in the Bible. If you have show me, I'll take it from there.

You can also point to any Bible reference you're alluding to as hell so I can take it from there.


Like I've mentioned the Bible doesn't teach the punishment of man in a burning fiery torment. Adam was told, dust you are and dust you would return.

Who would watch someone suffer in fire forever and never feel sorry for them? Even you as a human would be moved, talk more of God that we learnt love from or found created as an image of him

what do you think about these:

Mtt 13:41,50
Mtt 25: 41, 46
Mark 9:48
Revelation: 14:10 -11
Revelation: 20:14-15

They are many. I want to believe you are sincere though.

Perfectsouth:
these people forgot what their calling is, they've turned themselves into pulpit activist..
If they are not in sex scandal today, they are in mouth running scandal tomorrow.
They've been ridiculing the true Christians and pastors

"These people forgot their calling"...You that don't even have a calling nko?

Jafaar:
but you can pray the Lord is my shepherd which is old testament,even Jesus said he has not come to do away with the law of Moses .The world has developed you need money to spread the gospel,even native doctors eat from the shrine,A worker should be guaranteed his wages.
Jesus was trying to show an example that his apostles should not value money over him for other preachers of now to understand.Now because the spend money,you are not in their heart does not mean the value their money over God

Please I'm a full time Christian, but I hate someone defending nonsense. Be logical in your reasoning, not dogmatic.


I clearly mentioned that God's standard remains the same wether old or new. God's standard had never change.


They're features in the old testament that still hold true in the new testament. The reason for Christ was because the purpose of the mosaic law has been accomplished.

Jesus mentioning he didn't do away with Moses law he was pointing to the fact that some of the mosaic law was still valid. Jesus himself pointed out things in the mosaic law that still hold true in the new testament. You must not kill, murder, commit adultery still holds true even in the new testament and they were repeated as such.

My question is what new standard are you following for your modern Christianity or you're building one out of the blue?

Is it in Jesus time or in the time of the isrealites that they didn't need money to grow? These people made enormous contributions, they Bible clearly pointed that.

Apostle Paul rejected offerings that was given to him by the church. He mentioned that we can't be using our position in the church to be enriching ourselves. He pointed out that with his influence all of that was possible but he won't cause of the fear of God.

Paul worked with his own hands. He travelled far and wide to preach the gospel. The amount of contribution made in those days can't even be compared to our time. Don't even equate how much rich the apostles could be compared to our time.


Jesus told the rich man sell off your things and give to the poor and follow me, because to fully serve God completely you must ward away all mundane riches.

Or do you think Jesus or the apostles could not seat in one place and invite everyone to come to the church and listen to him?

They could command men from around the world, but the service of the Lord is a service of humility.

It is not a service of hunger either, because God cared for their daily needs. They trusted God and God provided their everyday need while they focused on the ministry.


Don't defend nonsense in the name of Christianity.

Jesus Christ our lord and saviour no get even horse and yet he died for our sins but pastors preachers of nowadays want u to die for dem n give dem all u ve in life

HISSCRIBE1995:
Christianity should not be ridiculed no matter what anyone says.

Don't give the un-believers any chance to ridiculed the faith by your comments.


Many are actually church- goers they don't really believe in christ, they found themselves being taken to church without any explanation from parents, and today they are hypocrites

If only you know that the best explanation is "believe by faith".

Because the more you try to explain, the more you start proposing funny theories, like the person I quoted above who is denying the existence of hell.

Her own is even worse than the Catholics. At least, those ones try to be smart pants and proposed hell for mortal sins and purgatory (temporary punishment) for lesser sins.

All these funny theories arise as a way to defend the central message, which makes no logical sense.

If you want, we walk that road, but you may never be the same afterward. The best is to believe by faith!

studentofTruth:


what do you think about these:

Mtt 13:41,50
Mtt 25: 41, 46
Mark 9:48
Revelation: 14:10 -11
Revelation: 20:14-15

They are many. I want to believe you are sincere though.

Matthew 13:41,50 Is it a parable or not?

Mtt 25: 41, 46 A parable or not?


Mark 9:48 verse 47 the ending some Bible ends with Gehenna, some end it with hell, speaking of which Gehenna was a pit outside the city wall for throwing away dustbin in ancient isreal when nothing that goes comes back alive....is that parable or not?


Revelation: 14:10 -11
Revelation: 20:14-15 Revelation the book of signs and symbols Could this be taken literally?

The question now is what does the rest of the Bible says about the fate of unrighteous people. Does it match with the theory of hell?

Does the teaching of hell contradict teachings like?
Psalms 37:9,10, 34
Rom 6:23
2Pe 3:5, 6
and several others

ChocolateWine:



Please I'm a full time Christian, but I hate someone defending nonsense. Be logical in your reasoning, not dogmatic.


I clearly mentioned that God's standard remains the same wether old or new. God's standard had never change.


They're features in the old testament that still hold true in the new testament. The reason for Christ was because the purpose of the mosaic law has been accomplished.

Jesus mentioning he didn't do away with Moses law he was pointing to the fact that some of the mosaic law was still valid. Jesus himself pointed out things in the mosaic law that still hold true in the new testament. You must not kill, murder, commit adultery still holds true even in the new testament and they were repeated as such.

My question is what new standard are you following for your modern Christianity or you're building one out of the blue?

Is it in Jesus time or in the time of the isrealites that they didn't need money to grow? These people made enormous contributions, they Bible clearly pointed that.

Apostle Paul rejected offerings that was given to him by the church. He mentioned that we can't be using our position in the church to be enriching ourselves. He pointed out that with his influence all of that was possible but he won't cause of the fear of God.

Paul worked with his own hands. He travelled far and wide to preach the gospel. The amount of contribution made in those days can't even be compared to our time. Don't even equate how much rich the apostles could be compared to our time.


Jesus told the rich man sell off your things and give to the poor and follow me, because to fully serve God completely you must ward away all mundane riches.

Or do you think Jesus or the apostles could not seat in one place and invite everyone to come to the church and listen to him?

They could command men from around the world, but the service of the Lord is a service of humility.

It is not a service of hunger either, because God cared for their daily needs. They trusted God and God provided their everyday need while they focused on the ministry.


Don't defend nonsense in the name of Christianity.

You are right and wrong,some of these men are led by the holy spirit,The hear him audibly Eg Enoch Adeboye.
Bishop oyedepo said he was peeing in the toilet when he heard the holy spirit say go and purchase a private jet.
people who serve God in those days were called poor church rat when we serve a God who has all the richest in the world,He had to switch the style.
The pastor's are not getting rich off the church,they are given gifts because of the their spiritual gifts,it I'd their choice to accept or not.if the stole tithe or offering that is the sin.
About the rich man it was a test,so you are saying if I become a billionaire tomorrow,I can't go to heaven because I am super rich

Righteousness2:
What you Have as a Bonafide Child of GOD is above Money!
Money is too little if you know what you are as a Genuie son/daughter of GOD.
It's unfortunate that will are in a world where people see Money as the ultimate.

If you Have a Genuie relationship with JESUS you Have ALL Things. You Control All things! You Have the Ultimate.

Baba whose side u dey?
2face or Apostle?

abeg com down 4rm fence joor!

ChocolateWine:



Matthew 13:41,50 Is it a parable or not?

Mtt 25: 41, 46 A parable or not?


Mark 9:48 verse 47 the ending some Bible ends with Gehenna, some end it with hell, speaking of which Gehenna was a pit outside the city wall for throwing away dustbin in ancient isreal when nothing that goes comes back alive....is that parable or not?


Revelation: 14:10 -11
Revelation: 20:14-15 Revelation the book of signs and symbols Could this be taken literally?

The question now is what does the rest of the Bible says about the fate of unrighteous people. Does it match with the theory of hell?

You can tag them whatever you want and believe the ones you want. It's your business. The game in Christianity is to explain the Bible the way it suits you and your gullible followers will believe you wholeheartedly. Play on. I love watching in 3D.

All the various theories point to one thing: the central message is faulty. You find it unthinkable that a supposed loving father can condemn his supposedly loved children to eternal fire� So, your theory is to question the idea of hell. I understand that.

But parable or no parable, it points to perpetual punishment and torment! Gnashing of teeth means torment!
Fire and sulfur implies torment with fire!

studentofTruth:


You can tag them whatever you want and believe the ones you want. It's your business. The game in Christianity is to explain the Bible the way it suits you and your gullible followers will believe you wholeheartedly.

Are thought we're trying to read here.

Did I tell you I subscribe to pastors amassing wealth in the expense of it's church? The Bible doesn't teach that neither do agree to that.

ChocolateWine:


Are thought we're trying to read here.

Did I tell you I subscribe to pastors amassing wealth in the expense of it's church? The Bible doesn't teach that neither do agree to that.

The verses I showed you are very clear: punishment by fire. eternal torment. You can wave them aside, or call them a place of Merry and party. Those are direct message from Jesus Himself.

Jafaar:
You are right and wrong,some of these men are led by the holy spirit,The hear him audibly Eg Enoch Adeboye.
Bishop oyedepo said he was peeing in the toilet when he heard the holy spirit say go and purchase a private jet.
people who serve God in those days were called poor church rat when we serve a God who has all the richest in the world,He had to switch the style.
The pastor's are not getting rich off the church,they are given gifts because of the their spiritual gifts,it I'd their choice to accept or not.if the stole tithe or offering that is the sin.
About the rich man it was a test,so you are saying if I become a billionaire tomorrow,I can't go to heaven because I am super rich

How do you know they're led by the spirit? Because they told you so? Are you okay like this?


In the Bible there was an order to receiving messages from God. You don't just wake up and start getting filled with the spirit and people start following you. There was due process, because our God has not been a God of confusion.

Today that process does not exist, it was abolished after the death of the apostles.

He had to switch the style, when where and through whom? God has standard don't you get.

Did you not read the part I said Paul said it was wrong to amass wealth with the gift of the church? Paul was a royalty, educated in the best university of his time, but he rejected worldly riches to serve God. Any pastor that want to serve God full time must reject riches. Do you know what it means to manage riches? Only the time it takes won't allow you to read your bible sufficiently talk more to preach to others. Is it standing in the pulpit? Jesus said go and preach from village to village. Tell Adeboye to try it and his church would close down in 2 weeks...your guess is as good as mine


If you become a billionaire bro, your chances are only about 1%. The devil controls the world, in the world led by God we don't need money, money is created out of greed.

studentofTruth:


The verses I showed you are very clear: punishment by fire. eternal torment. You can wave them aside, or call them a place of Merry and party. Those are direct message from Jesus Himself.

I'm actually disappointed in your level of understanding. I expected more from you. Jesus spoke parables and you say they're clearly written... You need to change your moniker


Even at that if they Bible was teaching hell in this places (which I don't subscribe anyway) what is that to you?

To point out that God is cruel or what? I mean what's your point exactly. What's your interest in that?

Righteousness2:
What you Have as a Bonafide Child of GOD is above Money!
Money is too little if you know what you are as a Genuie son/daughter of GOD.
It's unfortunate that will are in a world where people see Money as the ultimate.

If you Have a Genuie relationship with JESUS you Have ALL Things. You Control All things! You Have the Ultimate.

ogbeni pack well make we see road

ChocolateWine:


I'm actually disappointed in your level of understanding. I expected more from you. Jesus spoke parables and you say they're clearly written... You need to change your moniker


Even at that if they Bible was teaching hell in this places (which I don't subscribe anyway) what is that to you?

To point out that God is cruel or what? I mean what's your point exactly. What's your interest in that?

I don't bring myself down to personal attack, so I will ignore all those because it shows you are out of points. The fact that you are angry buttresses my point — the idea of a cruel God, as you suggested, is scary for any Christian to believe!

Back to the crust of the matter:

Parable or no parable, Jesus message points to perpetual punishment and torment! Gnashing of teeth means torment!
Fire and brimstone, and sulfur all imply torment with fire!
Fiery furnace points to torment by fire


Like I said earlier, the central message is faulty. You can't wrap your head around the fact that an infinitely loving father who's omnipotent and omniscient (who knows what will happen and can prevent it if he wants to) can condemn his supposedly infinitely loved children to eternal torment for failing a test (sin) which he already knows that they will fail and can prevent if he wants.

This is where the problem lies. To maneuver your way around it, you deny the aspect of the Bible that talks about hell. Some others, like the Catholics propose a just being who punishes lesser sins with temporary torment (purgatory) and "mortal sins" with eternal damnation. The point is, different people with different theories trying to explain the illogical Christian message.

Those of us with open mind will analyze everything together and conclude that the message makes no logical sense.

The non-thinking beings who bundle everything under the holy ghost don't even understand what we're talking about because they can't think to that level — reason their pastors run business on top their heads using the holy ghost!

So, you ask what I'm driving at? If the Christian God is wicked? You tell me!

The only logical deduction when you analyze the entire message together is that the Christian message is logically implausible!

Like your group (which I believe is JW), the Catholics, and other thinking groups, I have my own theory too, but it's personal.

My official position is that the Christian central message is logically implausible, which is what is driving most thinking beings into atheism! But what those atheist don't realize is this: "that the Christian message is logically implausible does not mean that there's no God!

studentofTruth:


I don't bring myself down to personal attack, so I will ignore all those because it shows you are out of points.

Parable or no parable, Jesus message points to perpetual punishment and torment! Gnashing of teeth means torment!
Fire and brimstone, and sulfur all imply torment with fire!
Fiery furnace points to torment by fire


Like I said earlier, the central message is faulty. You can't wrap your head around the fact that an infinitely loving father who's omnipotent and omniscient (who knows what will happen and can prevent it if he wants to) can condemn his supposedly infinitely loved children to eternal torment for failing a test (sin) which he already knows that they will fail and can prevent if he wants.

This is where the problem lies. To maneuver your way around it, you deny the aspect of the Bible that talks about hell. Some others, like the Catholics propose a just being who punishes lesser sins with temporary torment (purgatory) and "mortal sins" with eternal damnation. The point is, different people with different theories trying to explain the illogical Christian message.

Those of us with open mind will analyze everything together and conclude that the message makes no logical sense.

The non-thinking beings who bundle everything under the holy ghost don't even understand what we're talking about because they can't think to that level — reason their pastors run business on top their heads using the holy ghost!

So, you ask what I'm driving at? If the Christian God is wicked? You tell me!

The only logical deduction when you analyze the entire message together is that the Christian message is logically implausible!

Like your group (which I believe is JW) and the Catholics and other thinking group, I have my own theory too, but it's personal.

My official position is that the Christian central message is logically implausible, which is what is driving most thinking beings into atheism! But what those atheist don't realize is this: "that the Christian message is logically implausible does not mean that there's no God!

Define God.

HellVictorinho:

Define God.

In the Christian way,

an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent being who infinitely loved his children that he sent his only begotten son to redeem them!

studentofTruth:


In the Christian way,

an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent being who infinitely loved his children that he sent his only begotten son to redeem them!

Define it your way.
Bible quotes don't work here.

HellVictorinho:

Define it your way.
Bible quotes don't work here.

Where are you coming from let me come to your level. I mistook a JW for holy ghost-parading masquerade earlier.

Are you a Christian, JW, atheist, Muslim, or Buddhist?


Well, the basic definition is this:

God is a supreme being who does whatever He wants

studentofTruth:


Where are you coming from let me come to your level. I mistook a JW for holy ghost-parading masquerade earlier.

Are you a Christian, JW, atheist, Muslim, or Buddhist?


Well, the basic definition is this:

God is a supreme being who does whatever He wants

There is no supreme being.