deept:


She is probably even safer where she is now because if she land I'm sure ther will be people who will go after her. Then they will start to ask for protection for her on top of the benefits she will recieve.

It will also encourage other people too to try the nonsense knowing that they will be forgiven and allowed to return home.

Exactly!!!!

Divine88:


Am not showing any sympathy for her case. But like Lagosismyhome asked: what if she was pure white British? Will the government pass her on to another country?
This case has set unprecedented scenario that can happen in the future.
Imagine a new government comes into power and they declare everyone who is considered a second class British citizen (either by birth or acquired) should leave the country? This can surely happen. Let’s us be factual please.

If you commit terrorist offense then i couldn't careless

justwise:
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If you commit terrorist offense then i couldn't careless

Hahahahaaa I wasn’t even referring to any horrendous act.
My question is what happens if history repeats itself similar to what happened in Germany prior to the war and during the war when a political party headed by one of the wicked man in history decided to deport a particular nationals out of Germany and Eastern Europe.
Like i said this argument shouldn’t stay as this might set an unprecedented scenario whereby we might all be asked to forfeit our British passport one day just because our ancestors are not from here and move back to our country of origin.

Divine88:

Hahahahaaa I wasn’t even referring to any horrendous act.
My question is what happens if history repeats itself similar to what happened in Germany prior to the war and during the war when a political party headed by one of the wicked man in history decided to deport a particular nationals out of Germany and Eastern Europe.
Like i said this argument shouldn’t stay as this might set an unprecedented scenario whereby we might all be asked to forfeit our British passport one day just because our ancestors are not from here and move back to our country of origin.

This is completely different argument.

Divine88:


Like i said this argument shouldn’t stay as this might set an unprecedented scenario whereby we might all be asked to forfeit our British passport one day just because our ancestors are not from here and move back to our country of origin.

I think we need to stop pulling the race card at every stop. What this girl did is sacrilegious and a crime to humanity. We need to start teaching our kids from early age that every action comes with consequences.

Inkredible:


Look at it this way.

If you drive well for like 5 years after getting your full license. Then you enter into the half and half group like I suggested.

While halving the something and you now go an bash somebody side mirror, you’ll go relegation and start paying full with normal tariff increases adjustments like for another 5 years or so until you’re eligible for the chop I chop group again.

I feel it’ll be a strong incentive to drive carefully.

Bros, let's get together to disrupt the current scam called insurance industry. The strategy is to payback some percentage every year if no claim is made.

Endlessgrace:


I think we need to stop pulling the race card at every stop. What this girl did is sacrilegious and a crime to humanity. We need to start teaching our kids from early age that every action comes with consequences.

Haba! No one is pulling a race card here. I said earlier I don’t condone what she did.
But my point is the interpretations to judgement and or laws can set out an unprecedented cases whereby the law can be meted out or carried out because it has been implemented before. Either for a good cause or for bad.
I TBh please ignore my chitty chatty argument.
Shamima don cast.

justwise:


I doubt they will, they will probably allow Kenyan govt deal with her .

I don't think she was innocent girl who was groomed or forced to do stuff, she and her other friends went for something they wanted.

They were begged for years to come back but no, they were busy making videos bad mouthing Uk and glorifying their atrocities.

She only want to come back now because ISIS is 'defeated', nah! she should enjoy it there

That's the point she is not a Kenyan citizen hence her country should accept their terrorist back- the only passport begum had was the British one, so they should deal with their problem; After all they were looking to get her back when she went missing. She should be in British prison-

LagosismyHome:


But it sends a dangerous message....

The girl is British (born and raised ) and never had another passport . To think the government got away with passing her off to another country or making her stateless is troubling .

she can always get another passport. IMHO, Being British or citizen of any country should show in your allegiance to that country. She was born here but choose the ideals of another country and so she should be let off to practice her beliefs which obviously run parallel to British. And then be free to acquire the passport of any country she feels more in sync with. Very simple

DisGuy:


That's the point she is not a Kenyan citizen hence her country should accept their terrorist back- the only passport begum had was the British one, so they should deal with their problem; After all they were looking to get her back when she went missing. She should be in British prison-

Yes she is not Kenyan citizen but she committed the crime in Kenya so she will do the time in Kenya and the British will take her back after serving jail sentence in Kenyan ...if she even come out alive.

justwise:
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Oh please stop this!, she is British born so what? So she has the right to travel to another country to take part in killing and destroying another human being then come back to the UK? To do what?

For some of you with this sympathetic feeling towards her, what do you expect the govt to do?

I couldn't give a toilet brush about her statelessness status, she deserves worst than that.

She was a traitor to the UK. Due to her actions it led to the death of other British nationals fighting for their country. I agree she doesn’t need to be let back into the UK as she is a threat.

justwise:


Yes she is not Kenyan citizen but she committed the crime in Kenya so she will do the time in Kenya and the British will take her back after serving jail sentence in Kenyan ...if she even come out alive.

so that's same with Begum girl, if Syria/Turkey were to arrest and punish her- the only place they could have sent her back to afterwards; is her country. The British shouldn't be allowed to export their problems

I see lots of emotions without fact here. Yes she left UK for Syria, but she was a *minor. Adults and minors are not treated same way.
Secondly, no criminal act could be linked to her which is why UK denied her entry. She can not be convicted in any court. There is zero evidence against her.
I agree she might be a threat to the UK but there is no evidence to support this. Don't forget that a London Met Police officer is being prosecuted for abduction and murder. Can anyone imagine this.
Legally UK action is baseless and the girl is unfairly treated. This decision could really escalate her hatred for UK government.

Technically, UK government killed her innocent child despite appeal from UN and made her stateless thereby exposing her more to radicalism. Wrong precedents was set in all ramifications.

DeGreatWon:
I see lots of emotions without fact here. Yes she left UK for Syria, but she was a *minor. Adults and minors are not treated same way.
Secondly, no criminal act could be linked to her which is why UK denied her entry. She can not be convicted in any court. There is zero evidence against her.
I agree she might be a threat to the UK but there is no evidence to support this. Don't forget that a London Met Police officer is being prosecuted for abduction and murder. Can anyone imagine this.
Legally UK action is baseless and the girl is unfairly treated. This decision could really escalate her hatred for UK government.

Technically, UK government killed her innocent child despite appeal from UN and made her stateless thereby exposing her more to radicalism. Wrong precedents was set in all ramifications.

Legally the UK won, so where are you getting your legal reasoning from?

The decision could escalate her hatred for the UK govt? That is why should not be allowed in because she hates the UK already.

Why are you brining London Met issue into this? How is that related to this issue?

She is not stateless, she is also a Bangladeshian

DisGuy:


so that's same with Begum girl, if Syria/Turkey were to arrest and punish her- the only place they could have sent her back to afterwards; is her country. The British shouldn't be allowed to export their problems

Bangladeshi is another country she has the right as a citizen, so she is not stateless.

marylandcakes:


She was a traitor to the UK. Due to her actions it led to the death of other British nationals fighting for their country. I agree she doesn’t need to be let back into the UK as she is a threat.

Thank you!

DeGreatWon:
I see lots of emotions without fact here. Yes she left UK for Syria, but she was a *minor. Adults and minors are not treated same way.
Secondly, no criminal act could be linked to her which is why UK denied her entry. She can not be convicted in any court. There is zero evidence against her.
I agree she might be a threat to the UK but there is no evidence to support this. Don't forget that a London Met Police officer is being prosecuted for abduction and murder. Can anyone imagine this.
Legally UK action is baseless and the girl is unfairly treated. This decision could really escalate her hatred for UK government.

Technically, UK government killed her innocent child despite appeal from UN and made her stateless thereby exposing her more to radicalism. Wrong precedents was set in all ramifications.

If you pledge allegiance to Islamic state, you become a citizen of Islamic state. The same way you pledge allegiance to the queen during your citizenship ceremony. She is not stateless as it the time isis was in its prime (2014-2018)

Never knew we had so many armchair lawyers, on this thread.......

The case has already been tested in court and a precedent set..........

Others thinking of following her footsteps, have something to learn from......

Hello, please I would like to get any information about Carlisle from you. General cost of living and the likes. Thank you

valcorp:
Good afternoon all. Please does anyone have any information on Carlisle Cumbria. Rent, cost of living (man,wife and a year old),childcare,ease of getting a job,bills. Advice and tips will be very welcomed. Thank you so much

DisGuy:


so that's same with Begum girl, if Syria/Turkey were to arrest and punish her- the only place they could have sent her back to afterwards; is her country. The British shouldn't be allowed to export their problems

@bold... 100 percent i agree

I am sure the government will lose las las and so should it be...... no government should pick and choose when to be a citizen. So if a person is honorable then its a citizen and if a traitor then not a citizen and becomes someone else responsible ...... na that very wrong .

She British born and bred.....PERIOD. she has never been to Bangladesh, never owned their passport, the country dont even want her.

If they want her not to come back then fair play but she not from Bangladesh because that creates a two tier British citizenship which exposes /Targets children of immigrant backgrounds.... British should be British because if she was pure white then who would they have passed her to....... if UK Government wins what it says is if you are immigrant decent we pass you along and if you are not then we you are our property ...... I hope they lose because this should never be ok. It breeds unequality just like racisism

Sorry guys, still about the driving thing.
The attached images clearly show I can drive with my international driving permit for a period of 12 months. Can't I use my international license to insure the car and drive for a period of 12 months from the day I enter the UK?
Don't know if there is another meaning in contrast to what I'm seeing.

brainz360:
Sorry guys, still about the driving thing.
The attached images clearly show I can drive with my international driving permit for a period of 12 months. Can't I use my international license to insure the car and drive for a period of 12 months from the day I enter the UK?
Don't know if there is another meaning in contrast to what I'm seeing.

@bold, sure....You can if you use an insurance company that ok it.. then yes go ahead...... also if you see it probably would be super expensive

Hello all

@justwise
@stenon
@Lagosismyhome

I want to teach in the UK, but I've not been a teacher here in Nigeria. So I have a number of questions to ask:

1. Can I come over for the PGCE with QTS? Will I get a Student Visa to study that? And will my dependants be eligible to come with me, seeing as it is not a Master's?

2. Will I be able to get teaching jobs after the program, even with my PSW? So I can switch visas easily?

Thank you

And by the way I studied Mass Communication at both BA level

LagosismyHome:


@bold... 100 percent i agree

I am sure the government will lose las las and so should it be...... no government should pick and choose when to be a citizen. So if a person is honorable then its a citizen and if a traitor then not a citizen and becomes someone else responsible ...... na that very wrong .

She British born and bred.....PERIOD. she has never been to Bangladesh, never owned their passport, the country dont even want her.

If they want her not to come back then fair play but she not from Bangladesh because that creates a two tier British citizenship which exposes /Targets children of immigrant backgrounds.... British should be British because if she was pure white then who would they have passed her to....... if UK Government wins what it says is if you are immigrant decent we pass you along and if you are not then we you are our property ...... I hope they lose because this should never be ok. It breeds unequality just like racisism

The bolded is a weak argument, because the UK does not practice Jus Soli. There are many children born to non-naturalised immigrants here who have never been to their parents countries and dont have their passports. That still doesnt give them the right to stay here.

The only argument that you have is that Shemima was born to Bengali parents who acquired a British Passport - and Ijust as it was given, it can be taken away. I admit that a white british terrorist of a single nationality has to be let back in, but I guess that's the privilege of being from here. Na their right be that

Shemima's parents came to the UK, they were not born here. They chose to leave their own mostly muslim country and applied to live with the British and to become British. They agreed to abide by the rules and probably spent at least 10 years convincing the British that they could abide by the laws of the land. The British then awarded them the privilege of citizenship...and it's a privilege not a right because the Begums had to earn it. They literally had to stand up in front of the Queen's picture and swear allegiance to her

So if Shemima decides to leave the UK and return to a Muslim caliphate, it is entirely her prerogative. If she chooses to to pledge allegiance to a known enemy of the UK, it is her right to do so. But it is not her right to retain the citizenship that the country she hates gifted to her parents.
And the British have the right to withdraw their citizenship from immigrants who have betrayed that gift.

To argue otherwise as a Nigerian immigrant who knows why they came to the UK is unnecessary wokeness, and an insult to the millions of us looking for any opportunity to japa from Nigeria.

nihilistjnr:


The bolded is a weak argument, because the UK does not practice Jus Soli. There are many children born to non-naturalised immigrants here who have never been to their parents countries and dont have their passports. That still doesnt give them the right to stay here.

The only argument that you have is that Shemima was born to Bengali parents who acquired a British Passport - and Ijust as it was given, it can be taken away. I admit that a white british terrorist of a single nationality has to be let back in, but I guess that's the privilege of being from here. Na their right be that

Shemima's parents came to the UK, they were not born here. They chose to leave their own mostly muslim country and applied to live with the British and to become British. They agreed to abide by the rules and probably spent at least 10 years convincing the British that they could abide by the laws of the land. The British then awarded them the privilege of citizenship...and it's a privilege not a right because the Begums had to earn it. They literally had to stand up in front of the Queen's picture and swear allegiance to her

So if Shemima decides to leave the UK and return to a Muslim caliphate, it is entirely her prerogative. If she chooses to to pledge allegiance to a known enemy of the UK, it is her right to do so. But it is not her right to retain the citizenship that the country she hates gifted to her parents.
And the British have the right to withdraw their citizenship from immigrants who have betrayed that gift.

To argue otherwise as a Nigerian immigrant who knows why they came to the UK is unnecessary wokeness, and an insult to the millions of us looking for any opportunity to japa from Nigeria.

Lol... your whole argument is wrong..... the parent and child are two separate individuals

A child born here acquires British citizenship after 10 years regardless of the parent nationality or status .. the child has a right to be fully British.
@bold, Maybe you need to read the laws of the land

LagosismyHome:


Lol... your whole argument is wrong..... the parent and child are two separate individuals

A child born here acquires British citizenship after 10 years regardless of the parent nationality or status .. the child has a right to be fully British.
@bold, Maybe you need to read the laws of the land

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879763/registration-as-a-british-citizen-children-v6.0ext.pdf

This is the law that you're talking about.

See the highlighted part.

You can see that Citizenship is most definitely not a right held by any immigrant child, and is instead awarded at the discretion of the British Government

Hello all

@justwise
@stenon
@Lagosismyhome

I want to teach in the UK, but I've not been a teacher here in Nigeria. So I have a number of questions to ask:

1. Can I come over for the PGCE with QTS? Will I get a Student Visa to study that? And will my dependants be eligible to come with me, seeing as it is not a Master's?

2. Will I be able to get teaching jobs after the program, even with my PSW? So I can switch visas easily?

3. I did Mass Comm at the Undergrad level.[size=8pt][/size]
Thank you

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djo120920:
Hello all

@justwise
@stenon
@Lagosismyhome

I want to teach in the UK, but I've not been a teacher here in Nigeria. So I have a number of questions to ask:

1. Can I come over for the PGCE with QTS? Will I get a Student Visa to study that? And will my dependants be eligible to come with me, seeing as it is not a Master's?

2. Will I be able to get teaching jobs after the program, even with my PSW? So I can switch visas easily?

3. I did Mass Comm at the Undergrad level.[size=8pt][/size]
Thank you


Stenon

This is stenon's area, wait until she comes online

djo120920:
Hello all

@justwise
@stenon
@Lagosismyhome

I want to teach in the UK, but I've not been a teacher here in Nigeria. So I have a number of questions to ask:

1. Can I come over for the PGCE with QTS? Will I get a Student Visa to study that? And will my dependants be eligible to come with me, seeing as it is not a Master's?

2. Will I be able to get teaching jobs after the program, even with my PSW? So I can switch visas easily?

3. I did Mass Comm at the Undergrad level.[size=8pt][/size]
Thank you


Stenon

1.What PGDE subject are you applying for? Is it Primary or secondary Teaching? It is a postgraduate course not an undergraduate course so your dependant should be able to come with you.

2. Yes and No. E.g Mathematics has higher job prospects than Enonomics

STENON:
1.What PGDE subject are you applying for? Is it Primary or secondary Teaching? It is a postgraduate course not an undergraduate course so your dependant should be able to come with you.

2. Yes and No. E.g Mathematics has higher job prospects than Enonomics

Thank you for your response.

I am open to suggestions at the moment.

I did Mass Comm at both BA and MA level.
So I think English is the most obviously logical option.

However, I would actually love to teach Mathematics, as I believe I'm quite good in it. Had A1 in Maths in WAEC, NECO, and GCE. But I don't know if my degrees will not shut the door on that.

Primary? Secondary? Anyone is good for me.

Thank you again