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hardbody:
I must certainly have missed these out when it appeared as if the results were never gonna be available. If what you have presented here were never controverted, I have no basis to personally contest them. Does these speak to the availability of Tinubu's certificates too? This had been the basis of my earlier argument or perhaps enquiry.

Finally, if you have facts, present them. I am nether irrational nor unreasonable. If I see proof or evidence that substantiates a valid position, I can only but accept same. You may call me whatever names that make you happy nevertheless, I will not stoop that low.

I am not into name calling, it cos u direct it at my first. That was why.. Anyways sorry about it. Elections is not war nwanne.. I apologize.. 1 love.❤️ My people say" ka Udo chia". Obi or Tinubu whoever win let all come together and try for once to be united and face the challenges of the country squarely.. Whoever wins I will support.. Nigeria my country I do not have any other priority.. Although I get another 1 but.. I was first a Nigerian and will always be

hardbody:
I must certainly have missed these out when it appeared as if the results were never gonna be available. If what you have presented here were never controverted, I have no basis to personally contest them. Does these speak to the availability of Tinubu's certificates too? This had been the basis of my earlier argument or perhaps enquiry.

Finally, if you have facts, present them. I am nether irrational nor unreasonable. If I see proof or evidence that substantiates a valid position, I can only but accept same. You may call me whatever names that make you happy nevertheless, I will not stoop that low.

I am also asking him to present it. I am just saying you should be objective about it.. Not concluding or being biased before u see it. Keep and open mind. You are here. I will be the first to shout foul if it is fake trust me. Don't forget I am not against obi just that I prefer bat based on lagos achievement if he is found wanting, it is not difficult for me to be obidient because to me he is the next of which after him kwankwaso... The last is atiku.. If Atiku is the only name on the ballot I will use biro and write Hardbody there and vote u instead.. Na so I feel... Just being plain.. Better Naija is all we want

Eddygourdo:
that ten kobo paid to you monthly so you can feed yourself will soon finish. Then you will learn to face facts and speak the truth even though it hurts. Tinubu as a candidate has alot wrong with it. If you are a youth, think about your future and vote someone who will better the lives of others around you beyond the pittance your Ilk collect for social media banditry. As for the certificate, whether he presents it or not. He will never be the president of this country.

But the one obi paid you will last forever.. It only you obi urchin that are not paid. Everyother person supporting his own candidate is paid. I can already see you a hungry urchins.. That is only what you think of day and night, every thread.. Food, hunger how u r suffering in Nigeria.. Well that is your generational portion not everyone share such with you. U have 1 PVC when the time comes we will count votes.. My own cancel your own let the rest of Nigeria decide.. Na here we dey u will Still wail another 8years

hardbody:
And you expect me to believe what Abba Kyari said?

I have seen your *unhypocritical* truth.

I do not understand where the allegation of tribalism is coming from but if that is your inclination and thought process, then we shouldn't be having any conversations at all. I thought we could converse like mature and reasonable folks.

You don't have to believe Abba Kyari... Waec and Cambridge also acknowledged it.. You don't believe them too? Make I still give you link...
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/343969-election-petition-buhari-presents-waec-certificate-before-tribunal.html

Before we continue, so I don't waste my time have now come to the agreement Buhari went to school?

hardbody:
And you expect me to believe what Abba Kyari said?

I have seen your *unhypocritical* truth.

I do not understand where the allegation of tribalism is coming from but if that is your inclination and thought process, then we shouldn't be having any conversations at all. I thought we could converse like mature and reasonable folks.

You don't have to believe Abba Kyari... Waec and Cambridge also acknowledged it.. You don't believe them too?

Eddygourdo:
this fool is trying to justify the money they pay him. Oga where is his certificate we need to see it and verify it (public court of opinion). If he doesn't have one (primary and secondary) he isn't fit to be a contestant to the exalted position of president. We did that error once [b]with buhari [/b]and we have learnt bitterly from it. Anyway he won't win this election. No need wasting time sef.

And there lies the problem.. He is not talking to people like you who don't want genuinely know, u already have ur mind made up, no matter what is presented u will not agree. And the Buhari you mentioned is a proof of that. How many times has Buhari provided his proof of certificate? Statement of result, waec etc.. No matter what Tinubu provides too you won't agree so your court doesn't matter. He will present to relevant authorities who matter and that is all that is needed..

Advocate500:
stop posting this fake letter that doesn't have Chicago college letterhead,you guy's are complicating things for Tinubu by defending him with fake document.

Are u d one one that made the fake document?

seunmsg:
Tinubu certificate brouhaha ~ Woye :

You will recall that there was a petition dated Aug 12.1999 about the educational background and age of Asiwaju Tinubu written by Alhaji Jammed Seriki & Dr. Waliu Balogun - smith.

They accused him of lying about his age in his nominating form to INEC.

2: Gani Fawenhinmi went to court to seek for prosecution of Tinubu up to Supreme Court. Supreme Court ruled that Tinubu CANNOT be Prosecuted by the police for alleged certificate forgery. That only Lagos State House of Assembly can investigate him.

3: Then, June 4, 2013 one Dr. Dominic Adegbola asked Federal High Court Justice Saliu Saidu to re - open the suit filed by Gani Fawehinmi in 1999. The suit was to compel IG of Police to commence investigation into alleged forgery. The court dismissed the case . The court said that the applicant went to sleep since 2007 when the “toga of immunity “ could no longer shield Tinubu and suddenly woke up when the matter is statute barred . So as at today , court has exonerated Tinubu of any forgery even after leaving office . So what is the issue now as a result of Supreme Court decision, Lagos State House of Assembly under Speaker Mamora (present Minister of State) opened the probe via a motion moved by Hon. Tajudeen Agoro & a 5 man ad - hoc committee was set up with Hon Omowoare as chairman .

4. The committee sent out letter of invitation to the 2 gentlemen that wrote the petition. Those guys REFUSED to substantiate their petition. The committee even went to the addresses those guys provided and they could not find them . However , Tinubu was invited to answer

5: Tinubu came with Femi Falana who wasn’t Anthony bus stop SAN then . Tinubu admitted to the needless errors being pointed out by the petitioners and that it was Senator Tokunbo Akifuyomi that did the documentation. Then he submitted a copy of SDP Senatorial candidate form dated June 1, 1992 in which he used to contest the 1992 Senatorial election and he won as a Senator representing Lagos West. That form he personally filled . Tinubu attached the certificate of Richard Daley College and Chicago State University.

6: Qualification was B.Sc Accounting. Now, INEC in 1999 committed an error in INEC form CF01 that bore a wrong date of 28th Dec 1999 instead of 28th December, 1998. Commissioner of Oath detected the error.

7: Tinubu could not complete his secondary school because of poverty. He decided to leave for USA to find food. He did a lot of menial jobs & suffered like every young man without a rich parents or uncle or RICH TWITTER boys and girls. After 5 years,he enrolled at Richard Daley college in Chicago. Note, Tinubu did not complete his education in secondary school, therefore the college offered him basic , remedial and academic classes like IJMB in local Nigeria. He passed his remedial courses and he was offered admission to Chicago State University. He obtained Bachelor of Science in Business & Administration and his major was in Accounting. He had no scholarship like me that I enjoyed in my undergraduate and post graduate too . He was in Chicago State University from August 1977 to June 1979 . He worked with Deloitte Haskins

8. Tinubu was an employee of Mobil oil of Nigeria between Dec 1,1983 when Buhari, Babaginda, Dasuki,David Mark were preparing to overthrow Shehu Shagari & he used to pass though Dodan Barracks not knowing that fate would link him with Buhari later. He was there till May 17, 1992

9: Senator Afinkuyomi appeared with Prof Itse Sagay SAN too that he was heading the unit of Gov ‘s campaign responsible for processing of form & because of the rush & tense circumstances in Alliance for Democracy as per Guber primaries caused the confusion.

10: Chief Gani Fawenhimi also appeared to give testimony. That the committee should determine if the law has been breached. Then Femi Falana appeared on behalf of Tinubu that no evidence has been led to show that Tinubu presented forged certificate to INEC. Chicago University

11: Chicago state University has confirmed that Tinubu was a student of their University and he secured admission through Richard Daley College . The committee later sought legal advice from Chief Fred Agbaje a honest lawyer, Olisa Agbakoba, Deacon Dele Adeshina NBA chair, ikeja, finally the committee finding on the allegation of forgery was that “WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE that any forged document was presented to INEC” the only certificate presented to INEC was a transcript of CHICAGO STATE UNIVERSITY.

Thank You for this I said it as if I knew. In the other thread I told a guy its either he got it from home school as in wrote London o. Levels from home or he went to college in USA. Thanks for this clarification..

hardbody:
Lol. Unlike most Nigerians, I do not suffer from amnesia, No. Buhari presented nothing other than a G4....and the note with which he was admitted in the military. He admitted to not finishing secondary school. Today Tinubu is claiming that the military destroyed his certificates but I recall vividly he claimed to have attended two schools while he was going into the governorship race and this was after the era of NADECO so when exactly did they destroy his certificates? Let us be rational and logical bro, I hold nothing against the man except perhaps his age.

U do not suffer from amnesia but u suffer from self deceit.. Here it is for everyone here to see your hypocrisy, tribalism and hate filled self..

hardbody:
What exactly did Buhari produce? Oga I don't care who rules you guys, I am only particular about due process. If the law says the basic requirement is school certificate, let it be produced. Very simple.

Buhari produced his statement of result, waec also replaced the missing one but you are still asking me what he produced.. That is exactly what I am saying even if Tinubu produces it you mind is made up on what u want to hear and any contrary to that will not satisfy you. So therefore you are not really after due process but due process is your cover to antagonise. Do you get the difference now...

Shattuck:
but he was issued a certificate for his London GCE? if that is the case with tinubu I am sure he submitted that result for him to get admitted Into the uni, now the question is what did tinubu submit to the university for him to be admitted?

Of course he has to be issued a certificate. Only the university can answer that question. So therefore that means he must have an olevel certificate to go to university or he did a college in US and used the certificate to obtain university degree.. It all depends on Tinubu to clear the air but I wanted to clear it to that illiterate who called me a fool for correcting him that one must not go to secondary school back in the days to go to uni. The Idiot said it was impossible to do that.

Littlefingerjp:
lol,this one na big fool oo,yu no even see better person mention.. I think yu are indomie generation because no sane person go mention those two fraud yu just mentioned, even ngige short time in office is better than obiano 8 years not to mention umahi...Yu are a kid,I don't have anything to discuss with yu

Na you be the fool oga... Umahi, Obiano etc have legacy. Obi has none. Before obi anambra, imo and Abia a little behind have always had outstanding education achievements in waec, neco and common entrance. Proof I enter secondary school in 1996 (u dey call indomie generation, I no blame u Sha) then cut f mark for anambra was over 500 in common entrance and boys where smashing the threshold, shayna obi do am, obi was governor in 1996 ba? Ho sit down joor

hardbody:
At the point of admission to the uni you must produce the long distance result. We are saying baba should produce the long distance result, the Cambridge GCE. Is this difficult? That's how ya'll defended Buhari and that got us to where we are today. Una no dey tire for mediocrity? Tufiakwa

That is your problem.. Did Buhari not produce his for the court via Abba Kyari who went to obtain it from Cambridge.. If uptill today u didn't believe Buhari own with all the proof, then u would not still believe his even if he present original copy or transport you back in time when he was collecting it. I think he should clear inec and the court who are relevant but not you people who are fixated on only what you want to hear..

franchasofficia:
You are very correct.


But the issue here is that Tinubu claimed he attended Primary and Secondary schools and even included affidavits showing school names and year he graduated when he contested Lagos Govornor.


How come he is now hiding the same Primary and Secondary schools he said he attended? Maybe because the old boys association of those schools came out to say he didn't attend their school so he decided to hide which means perjury offense.


Tinubu should bring back the affidavit he used in his Governorship form so the public can scrutinize it. He should have stated from the start that he didn't attend Primary and Secondary schools and that would have been settled.


People claiming he worked with Mobil, etc, so many employees of big conglomerates in Nigeria and abroad are all using forged certificates. I know someone that works in a firm that helps to verify employees' certificates and if I tell you how many top managers and directors of big firms you know that have been fired because of forged certificate you will be shocked.



Nigerians should stop being daft, there is nothing wrong in asking for accountability from a Presidential aspirant no matter who he is.



Tinubu ought to be charged for perjury if he refuses to stick to the same affidavit he used in his Governorship form.

I did not say he should not be scrutinised I am only replying one who I quoted who thought going to secondary school was all that and the only way to a university. You get it now.

Anaedo1:
And he doesn't have a certificate to show for it.

It can be missing or what ever but you have to write them or contact them to issue you a statement of result or a new one. Like my dad got another one after the Biafra Civil War..

Shifot:
Atleast your dad provided the London gce olevel and a level results.let tinubu provides his own if it's London gce we will understand

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Oga back in the days you must not attend secondary school to go to university.. U could learn at home and make ur olevels or a levels. Example.. My own dad did not go to secondary school because he was an orphan.. But as he was teaching after his primary school he started to learn at home for he's London GCE.. He would receive the topic and subject by post and when you are done, they will send u exam by post you will answer and send back. That was how he obtained his London GCE o and A levels.. And proceed to unn, oau ife and finally to UK to study... So it wasn't a must to go to secondary, if u were bright you could also obtain ur o levels from home..

Yes if he write to them he will obtain it just life Abba Kyari obtained Buhari own. This people keep records well.

Ecos:
Na u be him papa back in the days that they were giving admission without primary and secondary school certificate abi? Ur a compound fuul. U think everybody is as dull as u abi? Nonsensical and tilumbu

You have not only shown yourself to be a compound fool to the world but that you are a complex fool.. One without possible understanding..
I have told you what was obtainable.. But I don't blame you.. Hatred, bitterness and tribalism. Won't allow u serk for truth or possiblities.. You are only fixated on what you want to hear.. Uptil today did you agree Buhari had one even after Abba Kyari obtainand presented to court.. Well you Do not matter in the scheme of things. At the right time you will say Tinubu hates Igbos after burning every possible bridge you have ever had..

laladre:
No be mumu you be, how old is your dad, how old is Tinubu?

I have told you what was obtainable.. But I don't blame you.. Hatred, bitterness and tribalism. Won't allow u serk for truth or possiblities.. You are only fixated on what you want to hear.. Uptil today did you agree Buhari had one even after Abba Kyari obtainand presented to court.. Well you Do not matter in the scheme of things. At the right time you will say Tinubu hates Igbos after burning every possible bridge you have ever had..

Xbobtage:
Well Mr. Tinubu Sir, you said you went to University of Chicago right?, then they would be able to provide u with a copy of the secondary school transcript that was used in securing your admission. Those records are permanently kept at the school and can be provided on request by the an Alumni. You have had 8 years to prepare for this your lifelong ambition, are you saying you never contacted the university?? You cant be expecting us to elect another President without any Degrees nah after what we have suffered in the l

Meanwhile...Imagine the dusting when it comes to Academic Qualification.

Peter Obi is an Alumni of some of the Top Higher institutions on the planet, Harvard Business School, the London School of Economics, Columbia Business School, the International Institute for Management Development, Kellogg School of Management of Northwestern University, Business School of Oxford University, Business School of Cambridge University. He knows and understands the value of Billions and where to put it.

Oga back in the days you must not attend secondary school to go to university.. U could learn at home and make ur olevels or a levels. Example.. My own dad did not go to secondary school because he was an orphan.. But as he was teaching after his primary school he started to learn at home for he's London GCE.. He would receive the topic and subject by post and when you are done, they will send u exam by post you will answer and send back. That was how he obtained his London GCE o and A levels.. And proceed to unn, oau ife and finally to UK to study... So it wasn't a must to go to secondary, if u were bright you could also obtain ur o levels from home..

CheapHomes1:
Pls who owns BRT? How many free trade has taken place or presently taking place at LFTZ? Which IPP are you referring to?

Oga tinubu built the first integrated power plant in Nigeria abeg.. I no get strength to argue..

Littlefingerjp:
Your generation will all die of hunger,depression and poverty..If yu be Igbo,mention the best governor the south east has produced since 1999

Your generation are already dead from those things you mentioned.. That is why hunger has not allowed you to think well.. Akpu morning, afternoon night. Akpu don block all your reasoning faculty na akpu reasoning you dey reason now.. Ike gwuru.. Ebonyi Umahi is the best governor followed by Willie Obiano. This are people who there works people can see and touch and are still standing not one riff-raff that gave GEJ papers achievement scam pattern.. That pattern failed in 2015 it will fail again.. Anuofia

ifiokjohn:
Mubai has all that and it is more populated than Lagos yet it is cleaner.

Una no dey shame? Comparing anambra of 1991 to Lagos that has been capital for 50 years plus.
Yet anambra isn't even far from Lagos in any indices u bring apart from economy.
Health
Education etc..anambra and Lagos are almost at par.


Lets compare Lagos to others African cities and the shithole falls short
Na only to use one useless economy boast while many cities in Africa are leaving it behind

Deceive yourself with anambra and lagos comparisons.. African cities are leaving it behind why not make anambra like other African cities why are you crying about lagos? Is it forbidden for anambra to be like other African cities.. Yeye dey smell

Littlefingerjp:
Okay oo,,But next time no claim Igbo,that's my point..Ask your parents your real origin..because you can't tell me after establishing someone(like nwa boy) den yu continue to milk him from the establishment you created for him,its still like he is still serving you..Yu mention agent,okay so after I have paid for commission,the so called agents go still come dey collect money from my hand,for what exactly... If you say its my imagination that he is milking Lagos,then you are a big fool because even a mad man knows tinubu has made Lagos is family business..

You are a big fool. If you think obi is a Saint and not investing anambra money in family business instead of infrastructure. My origin has not to do with you.. I am igbo u can go hang yourself. Intolerant idiot. It my opinion go n die.. Your parents are idiots by origin.. That is your real tribe. EWU Gambia

Littlefingerjp:
Okay oo,,But next time no claim Igbo,that's my point..Ask your parents your real origin..because you can't tell me after establishing someone(like nwa boy) den yu continue to milk him from the establishment you created for him,its still like he is still serving you..Yu mention agent,okay so after I have paid for commission,the so called agents go still come dey collect money from my hand,for what exactly... If you say its my imagination that he is milking Lagos,then you are a big fool because even a mad man knows tinubu has made Lagos is family business..

Your doubt of my origin has no effect on me just like many of you useless Igbos of today, I owe u or Noone explanation for my choice, you saying I am not Igbo changes nothing.. I will still wake up tomorrow an igbo man so to hell with you and your own parents and their origin..

CheapHomes1:
Oga, if you say oshodi was sanitized in 2003, then there was nothing to continue. So I ask again.

If oshodi was sanitized by 2003, which oshodi did fashola sanitize?

I have told you what it is if you don't want you leave. Lagosians know the true.. Same thing with lagos civil service.. Tinubu started fashola built on it.

Littlefingerjp:
You no get sense,who be people from ur Igbo origin..If truly you are an Igbo man,what do you know about tinubu??
And mention one achievement he has made without him still milking from the system.. He create BRT,he dey chop the money, he create free trade zone,he still dey chop the money.. Which state does one control as sef its his birthright and he is not even from Lagos state..

No he will not chop the money is you that will chop it. Why not disown obi for investing in family business, the pandora paper told you he hid account in his daughter's name, na Tinubu the chop that one.. Oga I know a lot.. His milking the system is a pigment of your imagination.. You for tell your agent when you are looking for house or buying land that he should not collect commission for selling your land or find house for you.. Something you u do everyday in ogbete market.. Kukuma tell us here say you too na thief na.. Idiot I no get sense na u get.. Come and collect my igboness na be cause na u be God f Igbos.. EWU.. I have made my choice go and hug transformer
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CheapHomes1:
You haven't answered my questions.

Pls when did people from akwa ibom start trooping to Lagos?

How much of that trooping is down to Tinubu?

When they start trooping is none of my business.. What I am saying is when lagos becomes unattractive their will be a reversal in the trend.. Are they people going there just to look? Is it not better life they seek? The day akwa ibom will give them that the trend will reverse.. Alot is down to Tinubu because if Lagos is failing administratively then be sure the trend would have already reversed since 1999 but here we are.. Go to the park in akwa ibom you will see another set taking night bus for lagos.. As I talk..

CheapHomes1:
If oshodi was sanitized by 2003, which oshodi did fashola sanitize?

Fashola continuedfrom where bat stopped that was when brt and all was introduced to Oshodi area. And the road and railway cleared finally

CheapHomes1:
Pls when did people from akwa ibom start trooping to Lagos?

How much of that trooping is down to Tinubu?

In your transformation there is supposed ti be a reversal in the trend. People move to better places. If Lagos does not keep developing peoples migrating tendency to lagos will reverse.. Hope you get it now.

ifiokjohn:
do you really want to go there? Population? U want to use population as an excuse? No make me bring Mumbai o... remember it is more populated than Lagos bit yet it is far better.


By the way like I said earlier Economically Lagos is far better than akwa ibom and will continue to be...just like it is riches than Kigali etc. But when its comes to real beauty and neatness just like Kigali beats lagos hands down that's how akwa IBOM beats Lagos too.
And in 20 years time if akwa ibom keep this up like I said, Lagos won't see our back. Godwilling

Is mubai in Nigeria? We are comparing Nigeria.

Let see how clean akwa ibom will be when the have Alaba, computer village, Oshodi market, idumota, and so many other people with such population. Lagos is dirt because of the people living there not government. Fashola tried but I corrected someone for tossing sth into the gutter and he wanted to fight me asking if I owned it. When u begin to expand in population you will know that many many werey wa nle.

chinchum:
His professional life and political life attests to that.

He rose professionally with Arthur Andersen & Deloitte as a professional and joined Exxon Mobil to become its treasurer barely 40 years old.

He masterminded an opposition with a seed of one state of Lagos after 2007 general election to become a winning party in a space of 8 years.

He mainly utilises intelligent people to fill critical positions, something not common with an average Nigerian politician. Little wonder people even want the Osinbajo he annointed as VP to take over as president in 2023.

He was visionary as a lagos state governor from 1999-2007 and masterminded a strong IGR drive that many state govts now copy. Waste management techniques, transportation BRT schemes and road construction, even education where some missionary schools were returned to missionaries, millenium schools e.t.c, investment e.g Econet deal, bond strategy to finace infrastructure, power plant project e.g Enron deal, lekki free trade zone, eko atalantic, railway. E.t.c some where. He was fighting many battles as an opposition governor against a PDP controlled by Obasanjo who i can beat my chest is not halfway as intelligent as a Tinubu. Some allocations for state were seized during his tenure because he was smart to create Local council development area to spread development.

I have studied him enough to understand this is surely an intelligent person.

I swear i see nothing but jealousy from some of my people of igbo origin else. Tinubu is a pace setter, detribalised a intelligent.. I also admire the tolerance of lagosians. Ben akubeze was accepted without rancour. Make a yoruba a commissioner in 1 of the southeastern state and see condemnation, petition left right and center. You have said it all.. Nigeria needs Tinubu cerebral acumen.. I will be happy if he can still bring obi on board.. In the aspect of frugality of government.

mabea:
Guy why are you like this na, well I never said that he suffocated Lagos. I was trying to point out to you that using those things to project Tinunbu for president is wrong because other states have also achieved some level of development within the same period in view.

Besides BRT is a personal business. It belongs to Tinunbu. You may argue this but it's true.

OK I understand you.. Yes not you but that is the total talk from the Tinubu condemnation especially people from the east. Again Brt is a successfully ran business it is also a good idea from Tinubu, I see no reason being a successful business man should be a plus for obi and be a detriment to Tinubu. 1 thing I can tell u about obi and Tinubu I noticed is the have ideas on how to make money that they do not need to steal directly from government. They use their ideas bring government into it and make money.. I do not see dat anything wrong with that because they end up being employers of labour and bring infrastructure to the systems.. Tinubu tops obi in this that is why he is my preferred choice. From ipp, yo lekki free trade zone, to Brt to systems etc.