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Absolute nonsense. All these foods are available in the U.K. and North America, sometimes (especially in London) even sold on the streets.

Gala & La Casera are a bit more niche outside Nigeria, yes, but I’m sure they still dey.

She makes some genuinely good points but ugh. Shut up, Kemi.

Ebubu:
I'm from Ngbo in Ebonyi state. We call it Ngbo not Mgbo. But then we in Ngbo trace our ancestry to Izzi clan of Abakaliki. There were other minor families who travelled down and got absorbed and integrated from Nkanu East, even Cross River but the majority of us or of our ancestors came from Izzi. We claim distinct clanship now but our forebearers at least majority of those who travelled then were from Izzi, our dialect is also similar but not exactly exactly the same with that of Izzi.

And what do you mean by Izzi being most divergent ?

There are a lot of Aro settlers in Izzi and Ezza and are today known as Izzi and Ezza people. I mean a lot, thousands now. They came after the Anglo-Aro war ended in 1902 and let me use the word "colonized Abakaliki people", much of Izzi, Ezza and the rest, then Izzi offshoot to Ngbo. But I really can't say the year the Izzi migration to form Ngbo started.

I see.

Wanna give us a flavour of asusu-Ngbo? I hear it’s almost just-as divergent as Izzi, hard to pin down in any case.

I’ve made similar shades of this kind of thread in the past, for what it’s worth, but I wanted to condense it into a single thread and spin it out for all it’s worth once-and-for-all and comprehensively, not just in fragments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkWz-mD9lhM?si=OrQOg7twjm2Ck8iE

What we saying?

I guess this thread could also tap into general languages of Ebonyi, the Cross-River lects (which are a significant percentage of Ebonyi languages, apparently). That’s another thing that I guess is worthy of discussion whenever the question of the overall linguistics of Ebonyi State comes up.

AbakalikiPress:
My brother, Onitsha and Aniomas are from the Benin empire, Enugu people and the entire Northern half of Anambra state are not even Igbo but Igala converts into Igbo mainstream culture. I met some guyz whose last names were Ocheje, Adejo and Idoko from Enugu state claiming igbo, even though I knew they were pure Igalas. Same as plenty Ogbajes (which is actually an Igbo corruption of OBAJE) in Igbo eze, Nsukka, Udenu, Uzo Uwani which are all IGALA land.

Going to Ebonyi, only like 60% of the state is even Igbo, the remaining 40% are actually cross river groups speaking languages in the same family as Ekoi-Ejagham, as well as Idoma and Tiv elements near their northern boundary. So many Languages in Ebonyi don't even have anything to do with Igbo. I am from there, so I should know.

The Aniomas in Delta that you all love to claim are actually an amalgam of all sort of things including more that 10 towns there with Yoruba origins.

Going to Abia..... Abiriba is not Igbo, neither is Arochukwu, while ohafia is a mix while a good chunk of ngwas actualy have recent or distant Annang ancestry. That is the plain fact.
Ikwerres of Rivers have told you severally that they are not igbo but una wan use force blanket them into your pan Igbo identity. Some of them were from the Benin empire, while some of them have Ijaw ancestry, they dress like Ijaws, and they don;t have dirty red mud like we do in Igboland. Their sand in Port Harcourt is White. Nothing igbo about it. Neither do they behave or have igbotic traits like me for example.

Imo is the only state that is truly and acceptably Igbo. That is even why it is called the Eastern heartland.
Anyone who wants to see the pure Igbos should go to Imo, even though those of the Oguta and Oru axis have minor Bini and Ijaw mixes, it is still minor compared to other so called Igbo states. All the others have all sort of things mixed into their ancestry and culture at a heavy degree.

As for Lagos, Yorubas have sense and do not deny the fact that Lagos ISLAND was once under the dominion of Benin, but the people of Lagos fought for their sovereignty from Benin, after they became soo rich from slave trade and showed benin the Middle Finger. Since then they have become nothing other than Yoruba.

Bro, lets just accept the truth, we igbos like land grabbing like it is our cultural pastime.

What you say about Ebonyi is half-true, I’ll grant you that. The rest is nonsense.

Hisroyalbadmeat:
Please you people should stop mentioning Ikwerre people in your matters, can't you guys just do without Ikwerre people?,hissssss

I was excited when I noticed this thread had been bumped, because I thought it was going to be a meaningful comment.

Oga, whether you like it or not, Ikwerre is an Igboid lect, however politically inconveniencing that truth, that basic fact, may be for you. But, likewise, as an Igboid lect, guess what? It’s gonna come up when discussions about the Igbo language and its extensions are being had.

Plantain > yam > sweet potato > Irish potato. I’m not a big fan of bog-standard Irish potatoes as they are (although I don’t *mind* Irish stew).

HeyMeNot:
I guess you've never heard of Uncle Benson



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No, but they’ve probably heard of Uncle Ben’s (rice), innit.

onome25:
Omo forget that thing jare
na because money de oooooooo
see as d rice de red with good tomatoes & ingredients

Times are tight throughout the world at the moment but the average Nigerian living in the diaspora can afford to cook jollof rice without economising too much. Why won’t the tomatoes be good?

nurez305:
you don't get me. I mean the food people eat most and not the best way to prepare rice. Do you think many people can afford the jollof rice ingredients??

In the diaspora, certainly. Absolutely, yes (I’m having to chat shit filler just to make up the 40-letter word-count; damn you, Seun).

nurez305:
maybe concotion rice or white rice but definitely no jollof or fried rice

You think concoction rice is what causes e.-wars with Ghanaians and what non-Africans identify straight-up? Over jollof? You trippin., my guy/gyal.

96ACE:
Jollof rice is GOAT. Every jollof meal tastes differently, each with its unique experience .

Some people use the same recipe-template all the time. It’s part of their rootedness. There’s rootedness in routine and personal traditions. Especially in Ekiti State.

nurez305:
It is definitely rice but not jollof rice. Thank you

Then what? What else could it be if not jollof rice?

Chickensoup:
And again you can't bring up any reasonable point other than shaming tactics. Feminism has taught you well. Since you can't bring up anything reasonable to discuss, then no point continuing the discussion. Have a lovely day.

Look, Mr Man, you’re more than welcome to go off on your own tangent but what it all boils down to is you being a misogynist. Periodt.

Chickensoup:
If you couldn't debunk what I said, then it means I speak the truth. You need to bring reasons not just accuse men of hating women. I'm always in a neutral stance and because women have been brainwashed to a high level, they never want to take accountability. In Nairaland, We criticize Men everytime if men do something wrong. Why is it now forbidden to do the same criticism for women.

Yesterday there was a post about a female cab driver attacked by Agberos. It's something that happens a lot to male cab drivers but all of a sudden, some people wanted to make it special by saying people should rally up. Male and women are both humans and deserve equal reaction not women receiving special treatment.

You said the post about the female caretaker was just to talk shit about women. So that lady doesn't deserve criticism for what she did? If she does then how is it misogyny? You are supposed to condemn her too but the feeling to defend the sisterhood is too deep. The old man died shortly after but the problem you see is men critizing the woman.

If it was a male caretaker that did that to a woman, will you complain if people criticized the man? Men are just treating women more towards equality since women killed chivalry. It is you that don't want to see it that way.

Stop seeing the world like men hate women. That is a propaganda pushed by feminism. If that old man was your father, you will not react this way.

https://www.nairaland.com/8465721/enugu-man-beats-own-mother look at this today's post. Men are critizing this male killer not praising him. Why can't women receive criticism too?

Your diatribe says it all. In the meantime, take a chill-pill.

Chickensoup:
Not entirely misogyny but I I can see why you will think of it as such. The reason men have started behaving this way can be due to the double standards women have when it comes to crime and some other things. Not only that but the feminism movement has soured a lot of things. I will give you some examples:

Promiscuous behavior has gone extremely high recently. Is it caused by feminism? Don't know and can't say but feminist wanted sexual liberation. Only they know what that even means.

Chanting and celebration of hating men. They blame men for everything even when men are victims. They always try to put everything bad towards men and it makes men very upset at women even if not all women do that.

Women can do no wrong mentality and this has made some women difficult to advice or associate with. Imagine how easy a woman can falsely accuse someone and that person is locked up.

There are many things but I'm sure it will bore. you.

You’ve let yourself be derailed to this extent over an instance of someone abusing an elderly person in a care-home. That says it all. Your tangential diatribe must be coming from a place of misogyny, however heretofore-internalised. It can’t be any other way.

This particular woman is despicable. But many more males have done the same. I’m sure you don’t victimise the male sex as a whole in those instances, and that’s just the bottom-line. You’re the one with double standards.

Chickensoup:
It's not about men are far more likely but people in general. Both women and men exhibit such a behavior, but we always try to make it look like it's a male only thing. It has nothing to do with patriarchy because if i asked you how, you will most likely just say because men are in power. I can debunk the patriarchy mindset by saying lesbian relationship has the highest domestic violence if compared to heterosexual and gay relationships with gay relationships having the lowest. if you need proof, I can send you the link.

Men are stronger than women by biology and since women can't target men, they target old folks or kids. Men can target all because there aren't any weaker than men. These means that if women were stronger than men, women will do the same.

But that initial post was made out of nothing other than pure misogyny. Always shitting on women.

Chickensoup:
I told a lady some days ago that records show women are more likely to abuse weaker people, she thought I just disliked women.

Very soon some women will look for a way to justify her actions.

Men are far more likely to abuse the “weaker” person. The patriarchy props ir up.

Eke40seven:
I would say, the degree of intellibility depends on the degree of exposure or time spent listening and decoding the sentence structure, accent and grammar. Learning to speak the dialect is a different matter.
Izzi-Ezza-mgbo is like a coded igbo language, one will be taken aback. You could know what they are saying at first without knowing what they mean word for word.

Lufu l'eka becomes "Pua eba""
"o shi gbuo e ye" He/she has given him a beating
"gunu bor/bohu"/ "O gunu" "what is it?"
"a shim o" "I said"
"O dure" It is good.
Go si become, goshi, Ga sie becomes "Ga shie"

While some words are completely exclusive to them, like "Mgba'ashi" "witch".

But yeah, generally, it is a bit hard to decode becaue they also speak incredly fast. they tend to speak faster than other Igbo sub.groups.

My submission might have some inaccuracies. i'm neither from izzi/Mgbo from nor from Ebonyi but I understand the dialect/language.
@probz

Thanks for your response. Like you say, it’s all very decoded.

vanbonattel:
Every dialect in igbo language is sweet, no matter in which states they are spoken from. So there's no need talking about divergence when they all understand themselves and also the most used dialect.

Divergence isn’t inherently a negative thing by any means. No-one said it was, not on this thread. That’s not the angle I’m coming at it from.

lovediehatelive:
Nice suggestions, I'll look up the others except weed.. I can't start taking what will plunge me into deeper woes.

I don't want something that would become an addiction, something I can't do without

Alcohol is far more potentially addictive than cannabis, but I get you. It was just a random, slightly jokey suggestion.

And, yh, I know I’ve made similar threads, but normally only dealing with one grouping at a time. And on that note, let’s throw in Ika and Ukwuani, too.

Also, does anyone know the approximate order (from next-least-intelligible by Izugbe-standards to most intelligible) of the remainder of the northern-Ebonyi left (Ezza, Mgbo, Ikwo)? It’s quite well-established that Izzi is the most divergent of that pact but how-about the rest?

2. What-about other Rivers-dialects, besides Ikwerre? Where do they fit in on the scale of linguistic divergence?

cc. RedboneSmith (yeah, we don’t always see eye-to-eye in terms of tone and inherent approach but you know that I know you’re an erudite poster of value, with interesting things to say)

cc. bigfrancis21 (ain’t seen you for a while, still), ChinenyeN, ezeagu, etc.

In a Nigerian context, colours can symbolise more than health, but, rather, specific foods. E.g., red for jollof rice, rose for all things related to banga/ofe-akwu and oha.

It sucks that I can’t just leave a customary bump (“anyone?”) and leave it there with this 40-character minimum-limit (or reverse-limit; wharever), but … yh. Anyone?

CBD (to a lesser extent just-plain weed), fluvoxamine. Lavender essential oil. I don’t know about actual foods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7pg6j5G6cI?si=U5nhQkM0bjgyVbms

I normally love Epic Food Review but this video does nothing to illustrate how onugbu is specifically made in this area (Nnewi). What actually is the difference? Is it ogiri, is it snail, is it wetin?

Chief2410:
the most annoying thing is our gals are now embracing feminism....Omo I pity guys when never marry,to see good woman now is almost impossible.

True feminism comes with responsibilities. It’s not just take-take-take. It never was, even at third-wave.

DrAda:
A good reason why women should start doing something for themselves

They already do in civilised countries, it has to be said. I tire for Naija. So much brilliance and potential but some terrible mentalities along the way to boot. In places like the U.K., you have to work. Periodt. You can’t go abroad only to be a financial liability. And unfortunately ladies with this mentality are the same ones who’ll want to JAPA. SMH. People wanting freedom but none of the responsibilities that come with it. Our great-grandmothers may not have worked in the conventional sense (and our great-grandfathers only barely in the first place, in that-very conventional sense), but they were farmers, traders and fit to raise 10 kids. They weren’t doing nothing sitting with fake Brazilian weave after weave, chewing gum and waiting to be fed. A lot of these girls can’t even cook indomie, let-alone a soup with almighty shades of okporoko in it. That’s not what being a housewife means, even if that is the path they want for themselves.

Wherever I am, I’d rather just have it as a gin, and that’s my lot.