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AmiableMosquito:
The responses in this thread explains a lot why Nigeria is still the way it is.....

A vast majority of us are either beneficiaries or facilitators of corruption. We curse those at the very top not because we hate corruption but because we are envious of the amount of state resources they have access to.

Put many of us there and we will barely act differently. It is well....

@OP, if you need an international passport, you should have planned ahead for it. Stop encouraging corruption.

The NIS should also create an official pathway or option for those who need a fast tracked processing. Say a 50% additional surcharge on the official cost for those who need their passport in 1 week and 100% surcharge for those who need it in 24 hours. That way, government can generate more revenue and cut off all these corrupt officers and middlemen.

You’re being a little harsh on the poor guy. Even wrecking with his head a little, accusing him of encouraging corruption. Even if your own is coming from a place of sense. Ishilove said it better.

And so-they suppose. Because why would anyone vote for Tinubu over Peter Obi?

Cousin9999:
Hey, for people looking to grow their own food, here's my thread on doing it in small spaces:

https://www.nairaland.com/6060136/growing-raising-small-home

You don't have to be limited by your living situation. And for those with more space, you can still use these techniques to maximize on the space you do have.

Also, check out my thread on raising quails:

https://www.nairaland.com/8271807/pros-cons-raising-quail-meat

I love you.

When has it ever been truly up, really?

Francis5:
Yoruba style okra soup is nothing but poison. You guys can't cook.

Ondo-lite Yorubas have a unique take on okro. Otherwise, yes. Yoruba okro is absolutely diabolical. Appalling.

kizzykeziah:
Now that looks REALLY good. I'd check it out sometime. All the 'extras' definitely would make it irresistible. I'm referring to the beef, fish, etc, etc, etc.

And I didn't know you could add ogbono to okro. Two draw soup together

I mean, really?

The funny thing (arguably the one thing in this that’s anything close to funny) is that he looks half that age. That boy don’t even look up to 10.

A lot of these traditions are pretty universal.

ariesbull:
Eguns aren't Yoruba

Is that not exactly whar I'm saying?

RedboneSmith:
The blank response was a mistake. I was trying to quote Ajaanaoka but mistakenly sent a blank message.

This post is specific about Umuzocha. My knowledge of the place is virtually Nil.

Fair enough, still.

Eguns aren’t Yorubas anyway.

powerkey:
That's my best brand till date, but not for the poor

‘Tolo-toro’ in-general is not for the poor. Talk-less duck and ofe-Owere.

nairaman66:
The Urhobo call it Ukodo. I am sure, that’s where the pepper soup genesis started.

That’s yam pepper soup, not just-plain pepper soup.

Igbos and Deltans.

descarado:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOyOaoQXtzw?si=drSDMwNhA5FV5R0b



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up4wyBV05Yg?si=M5WtM71GMPyxSvID



I think these days,they don't add utazi anymore.

Why-ever not?

Bump.

Stop it.

odun99:
Good morning bro Probz,
Please, I'll like to discuss something with you.
Kindly check DM sir.

Can you send it again?

Damn.

I’m generous but anything but idiotic. Stupid is the last thing I am, like, clearly. I just choose to be kind. People being broke (especially in a country like Naija) is no myth. The foolish Chads and Ubadineke Emeka Ikechukwus of this world who don’t know how to respect people or appreciate anything might want to take advantage and smear-campaign you but the truth of sincerity always wins in the end.

Thanks for the insight, Chinenye.

My friend, it’s IGbo, not Ibo. Get it right.

Is anyone familiar with the Ezza-Mgbo-Ikwo (i.e., non-Izzi) part of the cluster? Which one sounds closest to mainstream Igbo?

ucheagu:
I know a guy who uses it
He can't have s*x without it

Wow.

Out of interest, ChinenyeN, what do you make of the ‘Izzioi’ cluster? Mostly just pronunciations that throw them off the more conventional map? Because from where many are sitting it’s almost like a different language entirely. Ikwerre, at first glance, seems almost like a branch of Owere-like Igbo that just happens to have increasingly complex variations. Northern Ebonyi/Abakaliki-oid Benue doesn’t really sound like Igbo at all. I’ll speak for Izzi more specifically since I don’t know enough about Ezza, Mgbo and Ikwo, to be honest.

Do you reckon it’s apt to consider Ikwerre to Igbo what Itsekiri is to Yoruba, Chinenye?

Redbone, it would be nice to get some input from you, too, but if the sum-total of your contribution to this thread is to point out that I was lairy with Chinenye (which, to be fair, I was, however unintentionally), that’s cool, too.

Pregnant women have to seek medical advice before they eat white pepper?

ChinenyeN:
Brief aside: I do hope you were not trying to be rude, Probz, because I have to agree with RedboneSmith that this does seem rude. Especially considering that you and I have interacted and discussed several times over here on NL, over these many years.

That brief aside now concluded, on to the main topic.

There are different ways to assess divergence in linguistics, but for the sake of simplicity here on NL, we will go with the ones most readers can easily wrap their minds around. Lexical and phonological.

Lexical divergence can be thought of simply as speech communities using different words to explain the same item/concept. For instance, "seat/chair" is called "oche" in some dialects, while it is called "agada" in others.

Phonological divergence is essentially speech communities using the same word, but with different pronunciation. For example, "agada" has "ngada" and "agida" as phonological variants across several dialects.

In my opinion, Ikwerre is not that divergent lexically. The core set of terminologies are still largely the same, though every other word might have a "deeper" dialect variant. In other words, Ikwerre's lexical divergence relative to Standard Igbo (Izugbe, not "Central Igbo" ) should be just about the same as it is most other Igbo speech forms, with the exception of Ekpeye.

However, when it comes to phonological divergence, I am of the personal opinion that no other speech community in the Igbo ethnolinguistic region matches the Ikwerre.

For context, Ikwerre canonically consists of seven groups, manifesting 24 dialects, according to some Ikwerre linguists, such as R.I.C. Alerechi (2007). Alerechi is a prominent linguist and an Ikwerre native. According to data collected and analyzed by her and her team, she arrived at a 24 dialects. She names the 24 dialects after certain villages that were considered "characteristic" of the dialect features.

The dialects can be further grouped into three possible dichotomies.

- East / West
- East / West / Exteme North
- East-Central / West-Central / North / South

According to Alerechi, depending on which linguistic features you attempt to prioritize when analying the 24 dialects, you can supposedly come up with one of the above three "dialect distributions" for Ikwerre. The reason for these three different distributions is because there is actually a great deal of phonological variation within the Ikwerre speech community. Take the word for "person" for instance.

Let us start from the southern parts of Ikwerre. Two prominent usages appear here for "person", being "badnu" (Obio, Ogbakiri, Akpo, etc) and "vadnu" (Rumuekpne, Odeegnu, Ndele, etc). As we go to the north the phonology changes notably. Towards the northeast areas, we encounter variations of "gbadnu", "gbadni" or "gbani" (Eleele, Omudiogna, Ubimini, etc). And finally, within the north/northwest/central parts of Ikwerre, the phonology changes yet again and we encounter "madnu" (Aluu, Isiokpo, Omerelu, Omuanwa, etc).

If we just plainly list out the variants, we can easily see how divergent the phonologies can be: madnu, vadnu, badnu, gbadnu, gbadni, gbani.

This phenomenon of phonological divegence is characteristic of a great deal of terminology within the Ikwerre dialect region, and there is a historical reason for this. Unlike what we know today, Ikwerre was never a singular people. The "seven groups" I mentioned earlier were the equivalent of "seven Igbo clans" in the sense that they were highly independent and maintained separate traditions of migratory origin (sometimes even within the same group). Prior to the 1900s, there was no Ikwerre people and the "seven clans" were each their own ethnic and speech community.

All the clans are hetergenous, though some may be notably more heterogenous than others. This includes significant presence and influence of Central and Eastern Delta groups such as Abua, Kalabari, Eleme, etc. which has contributed to the divergent phonology within the Ikwerre speech community.

I will pause here and continue in a different post to avoid being flagged by the spam bot.

I wasn’t trying to be rude at all, Chinenye. That’s my apologies. Wrong choice of wording. It sounded more abrupt than how I meant it and I realised as soon as I finished the post but ultimately I was hanging on for you to tell me that yourself. Redbone jumped in not to contribute but to, to point that out on your behalf and I’m not going to lie, I wasn’t cool with that. Now we’ve squared in on it between ourselves, hopefully we can just move on.

Ewo.

cc. RedboneSmith, ChinenyeN (or however your moniker’s spelt), etc.

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