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Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 8:35pm On Jan 03, 2023

So techobeys can u point out any denomination or group or fellowship that is following or practicing half of what the apostle were practicing. If u can tell the any fellowship, denomination or group I will renown my faith as a jw right now.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Prosper1912: 8:18pm On Jan 03, 2023*

Which one be born again?

Jesus said: “Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) So being born again prepares a person to rule with Christ in God’s Kingdom. This Kingdom rules from heaven, so the Bible describes the “new birth” as providing an inheritance that is “reserved in the heavens.” (1 Peter 1:3, 4) Those who are born again are given the conviction that they will “rule together as kings” with Christ.—2 Timothy 2:12; 2 Corinthians 1:21, 22.

When Jesus discussed the subject, he said that those born again would be “born from water and spirit.” (John 3:5) This expression refers to baptism in water followed by baptism with holy spirit.—Acts 1:5; 2:1-4.

Jesus was the first person to be born again. He was baptized in the Jordan River, after which God anointed (or, baptized) him with holy spirit. Jesus was thus born again by holy spirit as a son of God with the hope of returning to life in heaven. (Mark 1:9-11) God fulfilled this hope by resurrecting Jesus as a spirit creature.—Acts 13:33.

Others who are born again are also baptized in water before they receive the holy spirit. a (Acts 2:38, 41) They then have the sure hope of life in heaven, which God will fulfill in the resurrection.—1 Corinthians 15:42-49.

So the question now is that
A PERSON Must Be Born Again To Gain SALVATION OR TO BE A CHRISTIAN?

Christ’s sacrifice provides salvation not only for those who are born again as the ones who will rule with Christ in heaven but also for the earthly subjects of God’s Kingdom. (1 John 2:1, 2; Revelation 5:9, 10) That second group of Christians have the opportunity to live forever in Paradise on earth.—Psalm 37:29; Matthew 6:9, 10; Revelation 21:1-5.

So the question now is that

CAN A PERSON CHOOSE TO BE BORN AGAIN?

The opportunity to have a relationship with God and gain salvation is open to all. (1 Timothy 2:3, 4; James 4: cool

However, God chooses those who will be born again, or anointed with holy spirit. According to the Bible, being born again “depends, not on a person’s desire or on his effort, but on God.” (Romans 9:16) The expression “born again” can also be rendered “born from above,” confirming that the selection of those who are born again comes “from above,” or from God.—John 3:3, footnote.

a One exception was the case of Cornelius and those with him.—Acts 10:44-48.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrines And Fake Prophecies? by Prosper1912: 7:51pm On Jan 03, 2023

advocatejare:
Don’t mind those confused people,

MaxInDHouse when will you answer my questions:

What church do you attend

Why did you desert the army?

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ADVOCATEJARE don't worry your god will give u holy spirit to help reveal what church e attend and why e left the army. Abe u nor get faith for yr god.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 7:38pm On Jan 03, 2023

Techobeys
If there is no need for one group or denomination.then
Why will the first century christain form different congregation under chirst umbrella?

Christianity Etc › Re: Biblical Proofs Jesus Didn't Die On The Cross. Part 1 by Prosper1912: 2:47pm On Jan 01, 2023

Aemmyjah stop wasting yr energy with this guy,E has nothing to offer.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 7:33am On Jan 01, 2023

knowingChrist:
What question? Whose question?

OGA knowing chirst
if it is not by denomination can u pls explain

Matt 24:14
And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations

And

Matt 28:19-20
Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Prosper1912: 7:25am On Jan 01, 2023

Maxidhouse leaves them
They taught after leaving the organization they will see a better one .

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 7:27pm On Dec 31, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
The OP is asking his brethren questions not JWs.
So let's allow them respond to him, please leave the thread for them it's doesn't worth it derailing their thread for JWs talks, we've declared our stand so let them do their things!

Maxidhouse u are right
They know the truth already,it left for them to decide.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 5:58pm On Dec 31, 2022

Okay Oga nelidee
Can u present a better performing group that outstand jw teaching.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 5:55pm On Dec 31, 2022

Nelidee:
I hope you now understand my point. There's absolutely nothing wrong in exposing a denomination or pointing fingers at a group. So long as you do that respectfully using the bible as proof of your point.

Am sure there are alot of JW teachings you have personally found to be IMMENSELY wrong and untrue and it is your desire to have a civil discussion with them and change their mind. As a former JW, I am telling you that it is impossible to discuss with them because they give exclusive devotion to their organisation, An organisation that claims to be the only truthful organisation in the whole wide world.

Thankfully, God is a God of mercy and he is pulling a lot of people who are eagerly searching for truth out of that organisation same way he rescued people from the nicolaitans.

You are right
he is pulling those out who are after material things of the world .

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 5:38pm On Dec 31, 2022

Nelidee:
Brother, The reason why believers of Christ today are slowly dying spiritually is because we continue to keep quiet when we see evil rather than expose it.

Did Jesus condemn or commend the church in Ephesus for exposing an evil sect that was growing in their midst? Let us find out...

Revelations 2:6
But you have this to your credit: You hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

In verse 2 of that same chapter Jesus says: you have tested and exposed as liars those who falsely claim to be apostles

The church in Ephesus pointed at and exposed the nicolaitans.

So what's the lesson here? When you see a group of people or denomination or organisation claiming to believe in God but teaching doctrines from demons you expose them. Don't keep quiet. Expose them and respectfully let people know why they shouldn't be part of such group using the Bible as an evidence. What good will keeping quiet or ignoring them do? So they can continue to deceive and brainwash more people?

Were you ever a Jehovah's witness? Are you aware of their history? Their teachings? Their false prophecies? Families they have broken and torn apart? Facts about the organisation they hide from their members?

When you see something evil expose. Point at it and expose it using the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Biblical Proofs Jesus Didn't Die On The Cross. Part 1 by Prosper1912: 5:33pm On Dec 31, 2022

sonmvayina:
Yes..

From my ancestors
.they passed it from father to son...

Till it got to me...

Some people are making effort to write them down just like Ezra did for the Jews..

So the law given to Moses was pass to him by his ancestors Abraham.
Abeg Oga show me wey e dey for bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 5:22pm On Dec 31, 2022

OGA knowing chirst u still haven't answered the question

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrines And Fake Prophecies? by Prosper1912: 4:18pm On Dec 31, 2022

Maxidhouse I want u to examine this screenshot and see if I lied against ADVOCATEJARE.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 4:11pm On Dec 31, 2022

Nelidee:
You misunderstood me. Am not saying he should leave JW to become any of what you mentioned above.

I don't attend any present day church myself. I sit down in my house and discuss the bible with people in my household. If there's any correction or understanding that I need to learn I do research and prayerfully make a decision.

My point on JW organisation is this...

Don’t team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14.

If the JW organisation twists and water-down Gods word the bible, then a true believer in Christ should have no business with such an organisation. Like I said I grew up in a JW home so I know alot of what they teach that is not only wrong but blasphemous. A true believer in Christ should have no dealings with a blasphemous organisation, denomination or group.

Yeah, sure. I'll check your channel out...your welcome.

Nilidee prove that jw twist the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 3:53pm On Dec 31, 2022

[quote author=Nelidee post=119580165]I grew up in a JW home so I literally understand everything about Jehovah's witnesses.

Nelidee u are wrong the organization is just like a moving train heading to a destination, so the moment u are out u can keep up with it.
And the more u think u know about jw the less u will realize.
It a free world so keep on searching.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 3:42pm On Dec 31, 2022

Christianity Etc › Re: Biblical Proofs Jesus Didn't Die On The Cross. Part 1 by Prosper1912: 2:25pm On Dec 31, 2022

sonmvayina:
It's about raising consciousness..

We can't not be worshipping idols in the 21st century and I have shown that Jesus is an idol..

Sonmvayina you are right jesus is an idol in the sense that when u idolize him.
And now the question now is that
How can one idolize Jesus Christ ?
Today people engraved a status of jesus and then make an act of worship to it. thinking they are praying to Jesus and such practice is usually common today within the romancatholic.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrines And Fake Prophecies? by Prosper1912: 2:11pm On Dec 31, 2022

advocatejare:
Ogbeni answer simple question

What church do you attend,

Why did you desert the army, Mr army deserter?

OGA ADVOCATEJARE
The reason Paul and Cornelius converted to christain is the same reason e desert the army.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Jehovah Witness People Real Christians? by Prosper1912: 12:23pm On Dec 31, 2022*

They said,they believe in hellfire and if u asked them one after the other to tell u where is located, some will said is in heaven, other beneath the earth, some will even say God have not yet create it.
And the most painfulthing is that, they can't even prove it from the bible, they are just set of confuse people.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 10:33am On Dec 31, 2022

knowingChrist:
Good day mr Max. Nice of you to join this convo. However, kindly speak without spite pls. This part of your reply is false. Many people know the truth and fellowship without fear. Are you saying every Jehovah witness is saved? Salvation is not by association but personal.

Thank you btw. Lets discuss more openly pls

If u say that part of his reply is false,can u pls prove it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 10:31am On Dec 31, 2022

knowingChrist:
Would you like me to add something to this?

No problem

Christianity Etc › Re: Biblical Proofs Jesus Didn't Die On The Cross. Part 1 by Prosper1912: 10:17am On Dec 31, 2022

sonmvayina:
Continue in your delusions....I was only trying to liberate you..

I laughed in Spanish, you want free jw that has free will to think and reason.
Unlike u Christendom who is being control by yr so call papa & mummy G.O.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrines And Fake Prophecies? by Prosper1912: 9:54am On Dec 31, 2022

advocatejare:
MaxInDHouse why did you desert the army and what church do you attend?

The organization have move on, so try and move on with it,unless u will get lost. And beside jw began 1931.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrines And Fake Prophecies? by Prosper1912: 9:49am On Dec 31, 2022

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 5:20pm On Dec 30, 2022

In Luke chapter 16, Jesus describes two men who experience drastic changes in their circumstances.

Here is a summary of the story Jesus told:
A rich man lived in luxury. A beggar named Lazarus was placed at the rich man’s gate; he hoped to be given any food that dropped from the rich man’s table. In time, Lazarus died, and angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In the story, both men are portrayed as conscious after death. The dead rich man was being tormented by a blazing fire and asked Abraham to send Lazarus to cool his tongue with a drop of water from Lazarus’ finger. Abraham denied the rich man’s request and said that both men had now experienced a complete reversal of their circumstances and that a great chasm had been formed between the two that could not be crossed.

The question now is that DID THIS STORY REALLY HAPPEN
No. This is a parable that Jesus related in order to teach a lesson. The fact that this is a parable is acknowledged by scholars. For example, a subheading in the 1912 edition of Luther’s Bible states that this is a parable. And the Catholic Jerusalem Bible, in a footnote, states that this is a “parable in story form without reference to any historical personage.”

Was Jesus teaching lessons about life after death? Did he mean that some people suffer in a hellfire when they die and that Abraham and Lazarus were in heaven? Several facts show that this could not be the case.

For example:

If the rich man were in a literal place of burning torment, would not the fire evaporate the water on Lazarus’ fingertip?

Even if it were not evaporated, would a single drop of water bring the rich man lasting relief from his suffering in a literal fire?

How could Abraham be alive in heaven, since Jesus clearly stated that up to the time Jesus related the parable, no one had gone to heaven?—John 3:13.

DOES This STORY SUPPORT THE DOCTRINE OF HELLFIRE?

No. Although this is not a literal story, some argue that it symbolizes the idea that good people go to heaven and bad people are tormented in hellfire. a

Is that conclusion reasonable? No.

The teaching of hellfire does not fit in with what the Bible says about the condition of the dead. For example, it does not say that all good people who die experience bliss in heaven or that bad people are tortured in hellfire. Rather, the Bible clearly states: “The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all.”—Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Now WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE STORY OF THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS?
The story shows that two groups of people were about to experience a great change in circumstances.

The rich man evidently symbolized the Jewish religious leaders, “who were money lovers.” (Luke 16:14) They listened as Jesus spoke, but they opposed his message. These religious leaders looked down on the common people.—John 7:49.

Lazarus symbolized the common people who accepted Jesus’ message and who were despised by the Jewish religious leaders.

The change in circumstances was drastic for both groups.

The Jewish religious leaders thought that they enjoyed God’s favor. But they experienced death, as it were, when God rejected them and their form of worship because they did not accept Jesus’ message. And they were tormented by the message that Jesus and his followers preached.—Matthew 23:29, 30; Acts 5:29-33.

The common people—who had long been neglected by their religious leaders—were now experiencing favor. Many accepted the Scriptural message that Jesus taught and benefited from it. They now had the opportunity to enjoy God’s favor eternally.—John 17:3.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 4:43pm On Dec 30, 2022

knowingChrist:
Yes they do not have a literal meaning but do have a symbolic meaning. I think there's problem when people focus on the parable and leave the symbolic meaning. So kindly share your insight on this topic pls.

Okay

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrines And Fake Prophecies? by Prosper1912: 4:39pm On Dec 30, 2022

Templee333:
another person don join max and janosky. okay na

So templee333 can u share with me some of the live changing experience u have had after the exiting of jw religion.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 2:27pm On Dec 30, 2022

When Jesus Christ was on earth e made use of parables. And if u may agree will me, all the parable that Jesus use as an illustration while e was on earth doesn't have literal interpretation, rather e word from the parable has a symbolic meaning.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 2:15pm On Dec 30, 2022

HellVictorinho6:
Is there anything new about faith in Jesus or Allah?

Cannibals also believe.

Assassins also believe.

Ok let start from somewhere,
Who is Jesus Christ ?
And
Who is Allah?

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 2:12pm On Dec 30, 2022

knowingChrist:
We won't mind Sir, you're welcome to join. For knnowing the truth is the responsibility of all humankind.

Thank you I would like to contribute concerning the richman and Lazarus.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will We Still Believe In Jesus In These Situations? by Prosper1912: 10:28am On Dec 30, 2022

Pls Would you guys mind if I come in to the discussion.

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