₦airaland Forum

Oh Lord, what a country.

Hman92:
Oga shut up.....hear your self talk...when there's unrest in any west African country every member plays ball so leave you religious sentimental bullshit out of this...we have the largest troops in west Africa and the crisis in Nigeria is not out of control so dumb it down[color=#990000][/color]

That's the lie you tell yourself of course, the crisis in Nigeria is not out of control? have you seen the devastation and carnage been wrought on innocent citizens of Southern Kadunaa? Not to mention the ones that often go unreported in the dailies...you can keep deceiving yourself that we are in control of the outrageous crisis here in this country, other right thinking Nigerians know the truth...and don't tell me to shut up for airing my opinion, I can be very uncivil if you want to go that lane with me.

AntiWailer:
When you are done.

tell us why Ghana sent 200 + troops and other African countries too.

dumb conspiracy theory for dumb brains.

But Ghana has no internal crisis as threatening as Nigeria; here we have Boko haram still disrupting civil peace, Fulani herdsmen menace, dissension in the Niger delta, bombs been dropped on IDP camps been the most recent madness etc...why is Buhari so quick to deploy troops in Gambia but is as slow as a pregnant snail to respond to more pressing matters here? it all goes without saying Buhari is looking out for his fulani interest in the gambia...Ghana and the rest are just following up on their Ecowas quota of maintaining peace for more plausibly genuine reasons.

Sarrki the unapologetic apologist

ImperialYoruba:
Ibo move on ke? Would you like to listen ttoyour leaders that were crying about Yoruba supporting Buhari to oust Jonathan, you want to see where they are today?

The bloody betrayers and treacherous AGIPs have abandoned Jonathan to his fate and followed in the footsteps of their masters.

Here, Ill let them speak to you....

Politicians align their interest with their pockets, so if they cry about yorubas supporting Buhari, they are speaking for partisan interest and party interest and not for the entire Igbo race, to the average Hausa, Igbo, or yoruba man on the street trying to survive, APC or pdp means little or nothing to them.

ImperialYoruba:
I dont care of Awolowo was the ring leader of the coup...bottom line is Ibo bought this product, Ibo must deal with its defects untill its no longer usable and we are ready to throw it in thrash. You should not have led coup if you were unfit to bear burden of its aftermath.

But Igbos have long moved on, look around you..have you seen any Igbo complain? No, he/she is going about the hustle and trying to survive like every other Nigerian.

T8ksy:
Yes, you are quite right. He's still being worshipped by his people for the legacy he left behind, many decades after his demise which many (ingrates) who are now wishing him to rot in hell also indirectly benefitted or are still benefitting from, currently.

Even the senile crippled who wrote that piece of junk he called "There was a country" was also a beneficiary of his foresight but as expected never acknowledge before he went to meet his maker.

Awolowo was a piece of trash murderer and is a VIP in the hottest part of hell right now, and that "senile cripple" achieved far more than you, your family, and your unborn generation put together will ever achieve in a quarter lifetime.

TonyeBarcanista:
I have always argued that the coup, like the pogrom was a bad omen to Nigeria.

You can't build a country with the blood of another group in the name of retaliation. it doesn't work that way!

If the counter coup was a strictly military affair as it initially was,
that would have been understandable, but the killing of innocent civilians who may not have even known or cared about a damn coup is what baffles me more, the bloodbath was very unnecessary in that pogrom.

TonyeBarcanista:
I have discussed this several times as to how Boro was killed. It wasn't Adekunle that killed him, it was fleeing Biafra soldiers.

This account was given by the men (Ijaws) that were with him in Okrika before he was killed.

But that isn't the discussion here and it doesn't relate with the subject

But I read from an article written by an Ijaw that it was Adekunle that killed Boro out of jealousy or something of that sort...will pull it out for you to read but I digress, now we all know the principal masterminds of the coup were in majority Igbos, but they were mostly by ethnicity alone, lots of the officers that carried out that coup were more Hausa in their culture and bearing than even Igbo, an example would be Nzeogwu whom many described as more Hausa than even Igbo.. I strongly believe the coup was beyond just ethnic sentiments as the kill ratio per region does suggest, apart from been a grudge match between disgruntled officers, the only explanation as to how no top Igbo leader was killed would be more of circumstance and inefficiency on the part of some of the coupist, Ademoyega described how the coup was a complete success in the North but a failure in the South...and another credible account stated that the likes of Ironsi got wind of the coup beforehand and even warned the primary targets to exercise caution, but some things will never make sense to me though...lots of Igbo and Eastern Nigerian officers and men knew a counter coup was in the offing but refused to take measures to protect themselves and just let the rage reach its boiling point until the Northerners decided to strike.

TonyeBarcanista:
IT WASN'T!

One of the reasons Major Isaac Adaka Boro and his militia struck the following month to seek secession is because it was felt that with the death of the Prime Minister, the agitations of the Niger Deltans(Ijaws) has suffered heavy setback, and marginalisation deepened. They assumed and rightly so that it was best to secede Ijaw from Nigeria. Unfortunately, the agitation was crushed just after 12 days after Boro surrendered.

I am yet to see where the middle belt, the Yoruba, Urhobo, and others hailed the coup.

It was indeed a huge setback!

Interesting you mentioned Isaac Boro, who really killed him? various accounts of his death stated he was killed by Adekunle...others Biafran troops, maybe you would know better as an Ijaw

RZArecta:
have you heard of system malfunction or you think the pilot just decided to kill civilians for fun ? Please be reasonable here. Its a jet with guided weapons not bow and arrows

Go tell that to the families of the victims that perished...

TonyeBarcanista:
While I wouldn't love to tag the 1966 Coup and "Igbo coup", yet it won't changed the fact that the primary planners and leaders were of Igbo ethnic group. The beneficiary of the coup was also of Igbo ethnic group, while the victims were non Igbos save for one. The man that refused to handover power to an acting Prime Minister was also from Igbo tribe.

That shows that the coup had tribal connotation. FACT!

We should desist from trying to rewrite history but learn from our past, and move on.

As for ceding Lagos to Yoruba, that part is funny tho...

Tonye as a student of history I believe you to be, can you honestly say the coup wasn't hailed as a success by all tribes?

StOla:
Go and have your discussion with Chinua Achebe in the grave. He was one of many Igbos who admitted to Igbos closing the gap on the Yorubas and catching up.

As for Yorubas who do their own thing and achieving many firsts in Africa both in Academia, Sports and Economic exploits, Igbos have to do it knowing the Yorubas have already done it.

Infact many Igbos have to come to the West to avail themselves of the resources therein so as to achieve their own firsts and catch-up.

Yorubas have set a standard for Africa, and the Igbo man having been taught how to letter his own Igbo language by the Yoruba First African Christian Bishop, Ajayi Crowther, only has catching up left for him as an accomplishment.

And all of these happened even before independence, so no excuse of civil war as an obstacle.

As I speak, many Igbo youths are waiting at the bus terminals in hopes of getting a fast ride out of their doom and obscurity, and into the salvation Yorubaland has afforded their uncles and aunties.
From Akure, Ibadan, Abeokuta, Sagamu, and Lagos, you can find the refugees who also have another contingent in the North having escaped the limiting walls of the East.

Point out one Igbo right now in your Akure, Abeokuta, Sagamu, and other related slums and I'll show you his booming merchandise and yoruba apprentice and houseboy or girl, those Igbo youths have good back ups back in the East, some are not even up to your age yet can boast of properties you can only dream of...we are not beggars bro, we don't even stoop low to conquer, cause we are a proud race of conquerors already.

StOla:
Go and have your discussion with Chinua Achebe in the grave. He was one of many Igbos who admitted to Igbos closing the gap on the Yorubas and catching up.

As for Yorubas who do their own thing and achieving many firsts in Africa both in Academia, Sports and Economic exploits, Igbos have to do it knowing the Yorubas have already done it.

Infact many Igbos have to come to the West to avail themselves of the resources therein so as to achieve their own firsts and catch-up.

Yorubas have set a standard for Africa, and the Igbo man having been taught how to letter his own Igbo language by the Yoruba First African Christian Bishop, Ajayi Crowther, only has catching up left for him as an accomplishment.

And all of these happened even before independence, so no excuse of civil war as an obstacle.

You have proven why you are a waste of even a rebuttal, how exactly have you proven how Igbos play catch up to Yorubas? Lmaoo guy you funny die sha, so it was Ajayi Crowther that lettered the Igbo language? When did suggesting a biblical translation into Igbo language made by a Bishop become lettering the bible into Igbo language...and dude stop flattering yourself like the South West is some El dorado...you will find an Igbo man even in the remotest part of Chad Republic, it's in our nature to expand and conquer economically, we don't find it lucrative staying in one place cause opportunities are vast...the Chinese, Arabs, and Jews are all over the world not because they care about playing catch up but just to expand their business empires and have multiple access to wealth..but then only a successful mind will understand this basic principle.

StOla:
I tire for this miserable jokers ooo.

So a handful of Igbo houseboys eking a living in Lagos prior to 1967 developed the city such that when it became a state in 1967, it should have been an Igbo state far removed from the isolated Igboland that has no connection with it.

The Igbo man can never change his greedy ways and would always hate the Yorubas who manage to get things work for them easily despite the desperate manipulations by their Igbo adversaries who continue to look up to Yorubas and play catch up.

Play catch up to yoruba, what an insult! Tell me what facet of milestones yorubas have made that Igbos haven't made or even surpassed...draw out your index and back it up with statistics while I do mine, let me help you...is it in academia that you beat us? Sports, innovation? Civil service? National and international achievements? abeg what is there to play catch up to?? The civil war set the Igbos back to quarter of a decade, thanks to the redundant policies made by your government to reduce them to begging stragglers trooping to all parts of Nigeria to beg for crumbs..but God pass una, you know whose boss when quarter of a period after we are back to owing real Estates and landed properties all over the country while still maintaining a 99% control of our own economy back in the East, you say the East is ridden with poverty and all sorts of self-loathing lies to please yoruba Afonja worthless selves, but the indices of human and economic growth in the East says otherwise, we are still booming and blooming! Go to Nnewi, Onitsha, Owerri, Aba and other metropolitan cities in the East and see how monumental edifices of all sorts and styles spring up on every per square mile of space, I'm talking about mansions...small boys and real hard hustlers making it rain in the East, wealth is evenly distributed and one man alone provides water, tars the roads, and brings development to a whole community, cause that's how we roll in the East...we don't depend on government handouts like you leeches do in the South West and North, cause your cultures promote laziness and over dependence...we are superior to your kinds, we were the kings of the first republic and that's why you yorubas and Hausas were always scared of Igbo donination...cause we were achievers, Ogbeni the bar the Igbos have set is far higher than a million of your likes put together will ever reach, that's why we even come to your lands and dominate you...cause we are good at putting our interiors where they rightfully belongs even on their own supposed turf.

AshiwajuFoward:
The author was obviously high on strong Onitsha weed when penning that rubbish up there. And as per the coup, these people should quit trying to play with people's intelligence abeg. All the non-igbos that participated in that coup were clearly conned by the igbo masterminds into thinking it was a 'patriotic' move, when infact the planners never intended to touch any igbo premier or leader and eventually ensured that their kinsmen ended up as beneficiary. It was a well planned script on ifeajuna and nzeogwu's part. Obviously the supposedly 'marked' Eastern leaders (a la Azikiwe and Okpara) were tipped off ahead of time to ensure that none of them was killed -- Zik was conveniently out of the country (yeah, right). And to top it off another nepotistic kinsman of theirs , Ironsi, emerged as the beneficiary of the whole exercise. These are incontrovertible facts that most people know by now.

See your daft logic, so why didn't this non Igbo soldiers then opt out by the time they realized it wasn't a nationalistic coup after all? A yoruba man by name of Adewale Ademoyega who was part of the coup even acknowledged in his book that every soldier regardless of tribe were enthusiastic about executing every objective of the coup to its last bullet, for goodness sake expand your horizon of knowledge for once and read more about the coup.

My goodness what brilliance!!!!!! God bless you Manx you earned a new stripe today....the enemies of the truth can distort history as much as they want, but the truth always resurfaces! deep down they know they are nothing without Ndigbo, our superiority isn't built on delusions of grandeur, it's simply embeeded in our confidence as a people and our uncanny abilities to survive against all odds, no ethnic group in Nigeria would have gone through a quarter of what the Igbos went through in the civil war alone and still staged a comeback like we did, I repeat NONE.

raumdeuter:
The brutality of the coup was only towards the non Ibos. Michael Okpara was drinking tea with Ifeajuna hours later. The same Ifeajuna who was brutally mauling every non Ibos down in Lagos, suddenly found a refuge in the house of Okpara,

All the brutality fizzled out when they saw Ibo politicians like Osadebey and Okpara. Shebi Ibo ministers filled the cabinet how come non of them was killed example like Jaja Wachuku

Below is an exceprt from the Jan 15 night. Now[b][/b] read and understand how treacherous those ibo people are. Balewa was dealing with Wachuku with one mind while him was planning with coupist. Jaja



Read that and tell me this is not an Ibo power grab

Do you know Northern soldiers participated in the killing of revered leaders from their region...hint, one was a prime minister and other the Sarduana of sokoto, I posted a link for you to read about the coup in depth, a book written by a Northerner! not sure if that was for you to read, read the book by Max Siollun titled 'oil politics and violence in Nigeria" and you will be surprised at how you've missed out on the truth of that coup.

Of course only the daft ones will believe this trash,stale news wey don circulate since last year lmfaoooo

johntolu:
God dey! The coupists could not arrest and execute Chief Michael Okpara because of the visit of a Pastor but they could assassinate Gen. Ademulegun.
His pregnant wife was also executed, when she protested her husband's execution.
It was also easy to track down Gen. Maimalari and
had him executed after his initial escape from the coupists when they came to his house but it was extremely difficult to track down Gen. Ironsi.
Ditto for the other Igbo military and political leaders.

Colonel Unegbe an Igbo officer was killed, Ironsi another Igbo officer crushed the coup along with other notable Igbo officers...these are also documented facts, but I do agree that the execution of the coup in the South was very brutal and cold blooded, it bore a strong hint of personal beef, all the facts you listed do make it reek of an Igbo coup with ethnic sentiments strongly behind it, but then several reputable sources quoted the reason for the coup was to ultimately secure the release of Awolowo from prison and make him president, truth is we might never know the true motive behind the January coup, yet one thing I know for sure is that the general reaction to the coup especially in the whole south was one of celebration, at the time nobody saw it as an "Igbo" coup.

Olaolufred:
Ojukwu was a power hungry boy or young man.

But you are trying to defend the indefensible.

No man can bring you into his course by only invading your teritory.

Is like fulani herdsmen entering umunnede, and claiming they only want to bring the umunnedes into their liberation course.

That is a stupid move. All the herdsmen like ojukwu needs to do is to first dialogue and win the people to their side. Then the poeple will give him passage and support.

Till today, majority of ibo men i know, including our tenants and neighbours like to usurp people's right.
and expect the person to keep quiet.
As soon as the person react, they tag him enemy, onyeojo, afonja, or cow.

What ojukwu lacked is what many of his kinsmen lacked till today, " ability to respect others".

If ojukwu have the right to decide going to war, others have a right to choose where they stand.

Okay I get it... Ojukwu was the bad guy and Gowon and the rest of Nigerians were the saints abi? the lack of knowledge sure breeds ignorance of the incurable type, it's sad lots of young folks in our generation are infested with that disease called myopia, you only see things from your own lens of bias, nothing else makes sense to you even when the truth stares back at you... in hindsight, the storm started to gather at the famous Aburi accord which your leaders of thought all with their eyes open agreed upon ab initio,and then reneged on when they realized they suddenly had the interest of One Nigeria at heart...Ojukwu proposed confederation, all units move slightly apart and the concentration of power at the center weakened, in other words resource control...he was a man who saw tomorrow, unfortunately the men whom he dialogued with lacked the foresight and intellect to keep their own side of the bargain, that was where the civil war started, right at Aburi in Ghana, and as for your warped illustration with herdsmen and Ojukwu, it's mutually exclusive to the point cause while herdsmen attack innocent people in unprovoked circumstances, Biafrans just wanted to be left alone peacefully, until you attacked them and they decided to defend themselves...and dude your so called Igbo tenants simply know their rights as free citizens, as long as they pay their rents and don't look for your trouble then don't bother about them SIMPLE.

Lol you folks take yourselves way too seriously on this forum, imagine this one giving public announcement on a faceless forum, it's only on NL that one dirty thing that still says "mummy thank ma & Daddy thank sir" will come on here and start to form one man decree...Nigerians are really funny people I swear.

logica:
I am glad you put the "Liberation" in quote because you cannot be liberating anything with a group of untrained, marauding boys camouflaging as soldiers. The Yorubas are no slouches in warfare in any case and needed no liberation. Awolowo was already planning a meeting with Ojukwu on the way forward when he caught wind of the Midwest invasion and quickly backtracked. You claim you want to forge an alliance while your actions say the opposite. Of course as they say, the rest is history.

The war itself was avoidable, it's a sad part of our history that will haunt the nation forever, I wouldn't know why Ojukwu invaded the Midwest, the only thing that makes sense to me would be that reasons could be political, to reach out to the Western and Midwestern regional leaders in an effort to forget a tie for Southern solidarity, if the invasion was simply for his personal gain,then may history judge him..but then he is dead now, and still remains a symbol of heroism and honor to the Igbo nation for at least standing up to for his people due to the cataclysm of killings of his people, all this in spite of his flaws...both sides made mistakes, and unfortunately millions had to die for the obstinacy of two young military gentlemen..Gowon and Ojukwu.

logica:
Whatever your view of the invasion of the Midwest, it turned out to be a wrong move as most military analysts have concluded. The Federal Forces who were initially dilly-dallying woke up and focused. Secondly it turned the hitherto neutral Midwest and Southwest against Biafra.

The Midwest invasion was more of an ideological war than a physical one, whatever personal ambitions Ojukwu nursed will forever be left for history to judge, but one thing is certain...if the old Midwest and Western region had aligned with the Biafran forces who deemed themselves a "Liberation" force at the time, the southern unity would surely have destroyed the Northern hegemony, cause it's a common fact that the Northern soldiers controlled Lagos and parts of the West and Midwest at the time, as they were still stationed in both regions while they were repatriated from the East...today we now still the same situation where all the administrative, military, and executive tiers of government are controlled by the Northerners with yorubas playing second fiddle in the power sharing formula. I'm not even for Southern unity at these point cause we definitely can't sit around the round table and work out our differences, it's just the Igbos who still invest in all parts of Nigeria in the spirit of some preposterous One Nigeria spirit that I pity the most, cause when yawa gas...it will be "to thine tents o Isreal " all over again.

raumdeuter:
So we are in agreement, Ibos struck first by killing other regional leaders and thus deserve anything that came as a repercussion of the initial action

So the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent lives is your own best way of justifying a "repercussion?" are you in denial that no Northerner was involved in the coup and even joined Nzeogwu in carrying out the attacks on Balewa and the Sarduana? the problem of Nigerians is that they know the truth but prefer to feign ignorance, everyone has moved on from the setback, but as a student of history, it's my prerogative to correct any anomaly and chauvinistic lies told against the Igbo race, that I'll not take lying low, thank God lots of us are now more enlightened to know the truth your useless government tried to hide for decades.

raumdeuter:
List the politicians and premiers that were killed by these Northern and Western soldiers

We have a list of people killed by Ibo soldiers

Lol whatever rocks your boat then.

raumdeuter:
Those who killed other regional leaders on Jan 15 struck first and they were Ibos

They were not all Ibos, read the book by Max Siollun on the coup, he was very pro Nigerian in his stance yet was honest enough to admit that lots of Northerners participated in the coup, and even marched with Nzeogwu to attack the prime minister Balewa and Ahmadu Bello...Nzeogwu himself confessed that he would have been shot had he reneged on the coup by his Hausa loyalist...the book is available in public domain and you can read it up online...my guy there was more to that coup to merely suggest it was an "Ibo" coup and leave it at that...but hey, we can continue to console ourselves with the side of truth that makes sense to us, Nigeria was the brain child of falsehood from the very day it was given that name.

Here is a link to the book https://books.google.com/books?id=t5Q78sVbLakC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Max+siollun&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiasKLW_MfRAhUMw2MKHVxqD4MQ6AEIGjAA...read it and educate yourself.

laudate:
Guy, don't worry. The old Midwest in your view, had to pay the price for the shots fired at Garkem, not so? Do you know the outcome of that bad decision? The sad thing is that by choosing this option, Ojukwu invited the wrath of the federal side on his head. By the time, the federal side responded and took back that region, scores of people lost their lives in that region. They paid a heavy price for Ojukwu's decision to overrun the old Midwest. May the innocent souls of the departed in that region, continue to rest in peace!

Laudate pray tell, would the outcome had been any different if the Midwest invasion didn't take place, the killing of Biafrans began right from the moment Nigeria fired the first shots, are you overlooking the fact that Nigeria struck first and the response they got was expectedly reactionary as well as desperate...my guy all logic is thrown out the window the moment you invade my territory with guns and armoured tanks, a desperate man will do anything to survive, morality unfortunately has no grandstanding in war, didn't Awolowo teach you that when he starved millions of innocent children to death? figure it out..I'm out of here

laudate:
No need for all this long grammar. Oya, like someone said in a previous post - "Pam killed himself." I am sure that unscripted version will make you sleep better at night. Ndo.

You can make light of it as much as you want, could care less cause your attempt at satire is weak...you believe what makes more sense to you, I believe mine from my own side of the divide...at the end we both reinforce the reasons why Nigeria was never supposed to be one, and that's the ideology every right thinking Igbo paddles right now.

laudate:
This is your warped ideology?? A shot was fired from Garkem, not from the old Midwest region, o ... but the old Midwest had to pay the price?? Wonderful! So why didn't Ojukwu say so in clear terms when he invaded Benin & the rest of the region? Why did he have to lie and claim that he had come to 'liberate' them? Did they send an SOS to him that they were they in bondage?

As for Ore, nobody forced Ojukwu to put Banjo in charge of the Ore expedition. So the blame should be laid on Ojukwu for his failure to put one of his own kith and kin in front, to lead the foray into Ore. Ojukwu's strategy, methods and handling of the war was obviously poor and shoddy.

Let's put it this way, maybe you can see the bigger picture better...I'm on my own, you come to my house and attack me relentlessly, I decided to strike back...but seeing that you are stronger than me, I decide to hurt you back where you are most vulnerable, maybe attacking your loved one and taking hostage of what you love most, you now have what is mine and I have what is yours, remember I didn't start the trouble...you did, so how I'm I in the wrong for taking a stand in a dire situation at that, to save my own head? will neutrality mean anything to someone who wants to survive but can't be left alone? you already know the answer to that question

laudate:
Ok, you still do NOT want to believe that there were witnesses to Pam's arrest and execution?? No problem. Like someone said earlier: Pam killed himself. He riddled his body with multiple gunshots all alone, without anyone's help. Are you happy, now??

I don't believe anything I read online, all the witnesses dead or alive should have written their own versions of what happened, I have learned not to take anything that relates to the unfortunate events of 1966-1970 with a mole of seriousness because it was a time hampered by too much anger, pain, and hatred...anybody could have recounted anything that made more sense to him in order to either led credence to his/her ethnic sentiments or just told plainly outright lies on account of speculation, even the American history is riddled with half truths, and we know they are far more efficient in preserving their own history, you should ask yourself why the civil war and the coup isn't taught in details in Nigerian schools, it should be a syllabus of its own.

laudate:
There were witnesses present when Pam was arrested and taken away, and the conversation between him and the soldiers was done within the hearing of his wife. And you know women like to talk. In her grief, she must have replayed the scenario a thousand times in her head, and told others about it, including her son who documented the story of his arrest. So Mrs. Pam was witness number 1.

At the execution ground, other soldiers (who were also part of the coup plotters) were present, when shots that killed Pam were fired. Don't forget that those soldiers were arrested. Police or the Special Branch team at that time, must have debriefed them and the records must have been carefully kept. So those chaps at the execution ground, were witness number 2.

Pam's son must have had access to the transcripts of their trial, or statements made when they were arrested. So that was how he was able to put the whole report, together.

Now that is not so hard to understand, is it?

All conjectures and no valid link to facts, your crime detective skill is riddled with speculative nonsense, educative guessing does you no favors on these one. I hope you do know that the attitude of the Northerners at the time was one of revenge, the counter coup was swift and brutal in its execution, I have no doubt the Northerners did not leave any room for your debriefing logic when all the soldiers involved in the coup were arrested...as far as the average Northern soldier was concerned at the time, if you were Igbo..you had to die regardless of whether you were a witness to the executions or not, this is just a very likely scenario if you were to picture the tense atmosphere at the time...and you have to also take into consideration that the Northern.grudge against Ironsi was that he failed to bring the coup leaders and participants to justice; thus we can infer that no official form of confessions were even released after the coup, so I just debunked your witness No 2 theory with a more plausible fact.

As for your witness # 1 theory, I'm glad you admitted women like to talk, and don't forget also EXAGGERATE, a heart broken woman recounting her tales of woe will surely add one or two scenes to her own story that will make sense to her, it's more of a instinctive wave of self preservation that deductive truth, so we can agree to disagree that in part, whatever conversations played out on the night of the arrest of Lt Col Pam was a likely scenario from a rational point...just the same way a good writer can come up with an imaginative dialogue to fit a scene and piece it together as a good plot for a story, hardly any detective skill involved in it.