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Planning the interior of the power station. I prefer using large fans as they are less noisy, I can slow them down and they will still push good volume of air. Heat management is one of the top priorities when I build stuffs like this.
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12V, 80Ah, 864WAh battery, built to be used for a portable solar inverter setup. Battery configuration is 32p3s ![]()
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dollarnaira:Wow! So good you understand that they push current for some fraction of seconds and stop, it will make the explanation easier! Now lets look it this way, picture both a pwm controller and a buck converter having 4 terminals, 2 input from the solar panel, 2 outputs to the battery. Assuming that all negative terminals are connected together (this is not usually the case but for simplicity sake), and for the positive termins, connected as such: Case Pwm controller: Positive from panel, to electronic switch (FET or likes) then to positive battery terminal. When switch is closed, it pushes current to battery for some fraction of a second and current stops to flow immediately the switch is open, then repeat s for the next cycle. So in this case we have a 'current is flowing and a current stops flowing' for each cycle (mind you we could have tens of thousands of such cycles in a sec) Case Buck Converter: Positive from panel, to electronic switch (FET or likes) then to an inductor, then capacitor, finally the positive battery terminal. When switch is closed, current flows from the panel through the switch, the trough the inductor before finally arriving at the battery (which is in parallel with the capacitor), but when the switch is now open ehh, you see that high voltage gap you always crave for when you're selecting an mppt controller, together with the current the was previously flowing when the switch was closed, would have caused a corresponding amount of energy to be stored in the inductor within that time, which will now be released to the battery now that the switch is open.. So in this case, you close switch, battery dey charge, inductor too dey charge (from excess voltage) , then switch open, inductor start to the dey discharge itself inside the battery, at every point in time, current dey flow enter the battery.. you get the point now? Without the excess voltage, your MPPT/buck is as good as a pwm controller or even worse as there must be losses through the inductor, some MPPT will bypass this inductor in such case. Regards. |
Obnoxious2001:Yes bro I recall.. Based in Lagos, na chance be the main problem. |
Trippledots:Very possible, in fact I have built many of such system.. It a matter of writing code that will searching for that sweet spot and hanging around there for a while. |
ksmart027:It depends on the VOC of the panel. The usual xl4016 based 300W ( 8A ) buck converter can take up to 38V max out of the box or up to 45V max ( with some slight modifications on the buck converter). Most online spec will indicate up to 60V out of the box, but when you investigate the surrounding electronic built on the converter, you'll quickly realize that it's false. The usual 20A buck (can't recall the IC name) is more efficient as it incorporate FETs for both it forward and flyback cycle as against a FET and a diode used in the xl4016. It can take up to 42V out of the box, and these things are not built equal.. you'll most likely never get beyond 15A max from the best builds. Combining a buck and pwm controller generally gives better result than using only a pwm controller (if set up properly). But not close to being an MPPT as the perfect load point will always change and no means of compensating for the drift. So to answer your question, yes you can, but watch out for the VOC. Regards. |
ajabani4allah:Yes it can be achieved using an extra relay (single 10A /7A relay 5pin) The switch on the inverter would have to be unsoldered and the two wires should then be connected to the NC and COM of the relay. When the relay is energized the connection between NC and COM would be broken and this in turn makes the inverter go off. Note: You will get slight down time whenever the mains goes off because: 1) The source of energizing the relay (maybe 12v adapter) will still have a bit of power stored when mains goes off and will not release the relay on time. 2) Your inverter will most likely not come immediately, after the relay has been released ( which may have also been delayed due to (1) above ). All these could cause about 2 sec delay during switch from mains to inverter only. If your connected devices can't tolerate this delay, it's best you just stick with change over between AC outputs only and leave the turning on/off the inverter. Regards, |
Building a 12v, 50Ah 500W PSW power station. Would have loved it to be in a very flat form factor as stated by @ Trippledots, but I just had to work with materials I could source. Batteries and inverter obtained from @ valto Here are the functions / specs: 1. Battery: inbuilt 12.8v, 50Ah, 640WAh 2. Inverter: inbuilt 12v, 500W, 1000W peak, PSW 3. Charging: a) External DC adapter 15A (max draw; adjustable) b) Inbuilt 15A solar Controller (MPPT algorithm when PV voltage greater than 20V; max Voc 42V) 4. External battery Support: LFP, Li-ion, LA 12v battery chemistry, cutoff voltage for charge and discharge can be customized. External battery can be charged by built in charger. 5. External inverter / auxillary control: Control external inverter ( or other source ) to turn on or off based on - a) External battery voltage (if connected to external battery) b) Predefined Time (can act as a timer) c) Energy Consumed 6. 15A auto change over (ATS) 7. OLED screen 8. WIFi for remote monitoring and control Will be dropping updates and videos soon
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Trippledots:Most of the 'inverter' termed devices (inverter fridge, watching machine etc) are typically switching power designed (aka SMPS), and a properly designed SMPS, built to handle above 100W should have active power factor correction ( PFC ) built into the design. In the absence of this PFC, the load (your inverter AC in this case) would affect the phase relationship of the inverter output, consequently affecting any meter equipment that depends on the standard current/voltage relationship to produce correct values. Also, Normal AC, fridge, washing machine general affect power factor, hence I suspect your meter to be the problem here, it seems to be unable to measure the correct power. |
Trippledots:What was the inverter powering? What tools were used for the measurements? What's the inverter spec? |
earthrealm:@ easyyoke If you're willing to go for this option and say would like to modify to make it hybrid (that's everything to be in one box), with customization / control / monitoring (local and/or remote), hit up yours truly.. |
Obnoxious2001:Studied and Practicing... Yes |
Obnoxious2001:That was why I said, "Your inverter is most likely turned on / connected to a power source (the battery)." It's still connected to a power (battery) source even when switched off those switches (Most likely MOSFETs) can still falsely come on. The battery is not the primary source for a controller, current is supposed to flow from panel to the battery and not the other way round. The switches being short circuited are on the panel side. |
Obnoxious2001:The basic characteristics nature of every controller and inverter, is to perform voltage and current conversation and as regards the purpose (being a controller or an inverter), they have different configuration / topology of achieving such conversation. To make my argument simple and less technical, and since most of us are well aware that inverters / charge controller are all glorified power converters (DC-dc or dc-ac or whatever), I will assume that for majority of these inverters / controller, they have internally, two groups of switches, of which one, and only one group must be switched on at any time. If for any reason both are on at same time.. big bang. This timing is usually controlled by an MCU (typically) connected via 'drivers'. You don't necessarily need a direct hit to make them miss calculate, just EM radiation from nearby strike can make some lose focus and most probably hang!! The MCU can hang leaving both groups of switches on! (That's why you'll need a reset for those that survived and can't self reset). 1. Lighting usually strike at night (controller is not charging, even if both switch are forced to turn on, no power from solar that will make them blow up). Your inverter is most likely turned on / connected to a power source (the battery). 2. Even if strikes occurred during the day time, Most controller are designed to shut cct the panel to find the Maximum point, so the the two groups switches coming on at same time might survive the current rush (and it's usually not sunny when it rains). 3. All my assumptions are base on non direct hit by lightning oo. I am not sure that even the so called branded names will survive a direct hit! (Controller and inverter inclusive).PS: just my theories. |
dollarnaira:It works with all inverters bro, and generally all power converters. Once you can get a matching FET, or even better (voltage, current, on resistance, gate capacitance, rise time etc..) rating, it will definitely work. The major problem with repaired electronics is that the root cause is often ignored (did something not behave as it was designed to that made the FET go bad?) , or the damage to to FET had resulted to a slight damage of another device (eg. The FET driver), just changing the FET with the same or similar type in either of this case will definitely be a temporary solution. |
bassdow:For the record, I don't agree with the bolded in the context in which the question to reply was asked. Also the bolded and '5V 400A phone charging' are completely different scenario and should not be assumed same. |
ojeysky:Egbon Ojey you're seeing this 400A like it's already thrusting through the phone If that's the case then the phone will fry nah. We're assuming a constant voltage source of 5V, ability of 400A and not a constant current source of 400A, ability of 5V. I could agree with 3, and 4 you listed tho. |
Dam5reey:I agree with you that there's a limiter capacity that if exceeded, the device might be destroyed. The question now is what could cause this limiter capacity to be exceeded? Certainly it can't be current because say a 2A limiter will do all it could to maintain a current 2A. Could it be voltage? Yes! Because the excess voltage will result to more power being dissipated by the limiter to maintain 2A current! What could cause the excess voltage? Case 1. The power source itself ( your phone charger ) Case 2. The battery being too low ( the limiter will disspate more power to maintain 2A for a battery that's at 3V, than when the battery gets to 4V ) So in assumption that your phone's limiter can handle Case 2 without any issue, and as long as the voltage of you charger never exceeds 5V, even if it's a 1000A source, nothing will happen to your phone. Remember I said Most phones ![]() Queed: |
Dam5reey:Most phones will only pull just what it need at that 5V |
brightk:I guess he wouldn't sell at same price as new cells |
bassdow:Lol. The fact that say a transistor gets smaller doesn't make it less a transistor ![]() Those Inverters you call sachet/ transformerless (Suoer and co.) actually do have transformers inside which are used for the DC to DC converter block. That said, it's possible for an inverter to be completely transforless, an inductor could be used for the DC to DC converter block, or you could arrange 25 units of 12V battery in series to get 300V DC which will substitute for the DC to DC converter block. But as you may have already noticed, these two other methods aren't much practical (for the inductor, 12v to 300v is too much of a conversion ratio for even as small as an 100W inverter, and either case, good bye to any form of isolation you may want to provide between the battery and the AC out). PS: I studied Electronics, I have the background knowledge of such, I have done little research, and I have built a lot of those sachet inverters and various power converters. So I do know quite well. |
bassdow:When you say the TransformerLESS inverter doesn't use a transformer, then what boosts the voltage from say 12v, to whatever level that's suitable for appliances? ![]() |
Prince3030:What kind of load is the 250W? AC or DC? If AC, would it tolerate MSW? You mentioned solar, is the 6hrs time during the day or at night.. or you just need it to work at least once a day for 6hrs ![]() |
NiyiOmoIyunade:Just for curiosity sake, say the FETs of the Switch mode inverters are made much larger or over sized, such that the ferrite transformer doesn't necessarily need to rely on the flywheel effect, rather, being in the forward mode, the necessary instantaneous power are pulled from the battery to handle surges. Could this be a solution to the problem or must there be an iron somewhere that would have to had store this power needed for the surge? |
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