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Technology MarketRe: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Queed: 7:45pm On Oct 28, 2024
Planning the interior of the power station.
I prefer using large fans as they are less noisy, I can slow them down and they will still push good volume of air. Heat management is one of the top priorities when I build stuffs like this.

Technology MarketRe: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Queed: 7:40pm On Oct 28, 2024
12V, 80Ah, 864WAh battery, built to be used for a portable solar inverter setup.
Battery configuration is 32p3s smiley

Technology MarketRe: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Queed: 8:30pm On Sep 29, 2024
dollarnaira:
On a serious note, is there a major difference between buck converter and pwm?

Both are pulse( pwm- pulse width modulation) in nature. They both push in current for some seconds and stop. The process continues again....
Wow! So good you understand that they push current for some fraction of seconds and stop, it will make the explanation easier!

Now lets look it this way, picture both a pwm controller and a buck converter having 4 terminals, 2 input from the solar panel, 2 outputs to the battery. Assuming that all negative terminals are connected together (this is not usually the case but for simplicity sake), and for the positive termins, connected as such:

Case Pwm controller:
Positive from panel, to electronic switch (FET or likes) then to positive battery terminal.
When switch is closed, it pushes current to battery for some fraction of a second and current stops to flow immediately the switch is open, then repeat s for the next cycle.
So in this case we have a 'current is flowing and a current stops flowing' for each cycle (mind you we could have tens of thousands of such cycles in a sec)

Case Buck Converter:
Positive from panel, to electronic switch (FET or likes) then to an inductor, then capacitor, finally the positive battery terminal.
When switch is closed, current flows from the panel through the switch, the trough the inductor before finally arriving at the battery (which is in parallel with the capacitor), but when the switch is now open ehh, you see that high voltage gap you always crave for when you're selecting an mppt controller, together with the current the was previously flowing when the switch was closed, would have caused a corresponding amount of energy to be stored in the inductor within that time, which will now be released to the battery now that the switch is open..

So in this case, you close switch, battery dey charge, inductor too dey charge (from excess voltage) , then switch open, inductor start to the dey discharge itself inside the battery, at every point in time, current dey flow enter the battery.. you get the point now?

Without the excess voltage, your MPPT/buck is as good as a pwm controller or even worse as there must be losses through the inductor, some MPPT will bypass this inductor in such case.

Regards.
Technology MarketRe: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Queed: 6:41pm On Sep 29, 2024
Obnoxious2001:
My oga 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾.

Make I come learn work.
Which side you base?

I sent you message on WhatsApp some months back.
Yes bro I recall.. Based in Lagos, na chance be the main problem.
Technology MarketRe: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Queed: 6:38pm On Sep 29, 2024
Trippledots:
😊 I like when I read posts from informed minds. You really understand how buck and mppt controllers work.

I have a conceived a way of making a normal PV to buck converter work and hunt for the MPPT point. Theoretically and maybe partially practical since I have tested the idea partially. Unfortunately I no de get time these days to play with electronic equipments as I like.
Very possible, in fact I have built many of such system.. It a matter of writing code that will searching for that sweet spot and hanging around there for a while.
Technology MarketRe: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Queed: 2:54am On Sep 28, 2024
ksmart027:
If i get you correctly, with the buck converter, can i still use a single high watt panel? My major concern is space as i will prefer a single high watt panel to multiple low ones. Thanks boss.
It depends on the VOC of the panel.

The usual xl4016 based 300W ( 8A ) buck converter can take up to 38V max out of the box or up to 45V max ( with some slight modifications on the buck converter).
Most online spec will indicate up to 60V out of the box, but when you investigate the surrounding electronic built on the converter, you'll quickly realize that it's false.

The usual 20A buck (can't recall the IC name) is more efficient as it incorporate FETs for both it forward and flyback cycle as against a FET and a diode used in the xl4016. It can take up to 42V out of the box, and these things are not built equal.. you'll most likely never get beyond 15A max from the best builds.

Combining a buck and pwm controller generally gives better result than using only a pwm controller (if set up properly). But not close to being an MPPT as the perfect load point will always change and no means of compensating for the drift.

So to answer your question, yes you can, but watch out for the VOC.

Regards.
Technology MarketRe: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Queed: 1:47pm On Sep 01, 2024
ajabani4allah:
That part "put off the inverter" pls can you shed more light on this? I have a 10A 8pin DIY relay I am using but it can only transfer the load but not put off the inverter. Can the relay achieve this? I need something that can also put off the inverter when I am on grid to save my battery from ideal power consumption of the inverter
Yes it can be achieved using an extra relay (single 10A /7A relay 5pin)

The switch on the inverter would have to be unsoldered and the two wires should then be connected to the NC and COM of the relay. When the relay is energized the connection between NC and COM would be broken and this in turn makes the inverter go off.

Note:
You will get slight down time whenever the mains goes off because:

1) The source of energizing the relay (maybe 12v adapter) will still have a bit of power stored when mains goes off and will not release the relay on time.
2) Your inverter will most likely not come immediately, after the relay has been released ( which may have also been delayed due to (1) above ).
All these could cause about 2 sec delay during switch from mains to inverter only. If your connected devices can't tolerate this delay, it's best you just stick with change over between AC outputs only and leave the turning on/off the inverter.

Regards,
Technology MarketRe: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Queed: 8:20pm On Aug 14, 2024
Building a 12v, 50Ah 500W PSW power station.
Would have loved it to be in a very flat form factor as stated by @ Trippledots, but I just had to work with materials I could source.
Batteries and inverter obtained from @ valto

Here are the functions / specs:
1. Battery: inbuilt 12.8v, 50Ah, 640WAh

2. Inverter: inbuilt 12v, 500W, 1000W peak, PSW

3. Charging:
a) External DC adapter 15A (max draw; adjustable)
b) Inbuilt 15A solar Controller (MPPT algorithm when PV voltage greater than 20V; max Voc 42V)

4. External battery Support:
LFP, Li-ion, LA 12v battery chemistry, cutoff voltage for charge and discharge can be customized.
External battery can be charged by built in charger.

5. External inverter / auxillary control:
Control external inverter ( or other source ) to turn on or off based on -
a) External battery voltage (if connected to external battery)
b) Predefined Time (can act as a timer)
c) Energy Consumed

6. 15A auto change over (ATS)

7. OLED screen

8. WIFi for remote monitoring and control

Will be dropping updates and videos soon

Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 1:31pm On Apr 03, 2024
Trippledots:
An inverter AC
Clamp Metre
Sachet 5kw pure sine.
Most of the 'inverter' termed devices (inverter fridge, watching machine etc) are typically switching power designed (aka SMPS), and a properly designed SMPS, built to handle above 100W should have active power factor correction ( PFC ) built into the design.

In the absence of this PFC, the load (your inverter AC in this case) would affect the phase relationship of the inverter output, consequently affecting any meter equipment that depends on the standard current/voltage relationship to produce correct values.

Also, Normal AC, fridge, washing machine general affect power factor, hence I suspect your meter to be the problem here, it seems to be unable to measure the correct power.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 6:28pm On Mar 29, 2024
Trippledots:
My sachet inverter when pulling about 600va AC load, draws about 1kva DC power. That's about 60% conversion efficiency. Ambient temps was in the high 30°s though.

Has anybody actually measured their DC to AC conversion efficiency? I'ld like to know what they got. 🤔
What was the inverter powering?
What tools were used for the measurements?
What's the inverter spec?
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 4:28pm On Mar 20, 2024
earthrealm:
what u seek is almost impossible to find as a single unit...48v 1500w, minimum 48v i have seen is 3.2kw
only option is to buy separate 48v charger and satchet inverter 48v
@ easyyoke
If you're willing to go for this option and say would like to modify to make it hybrid (that's everything to be in one box), with customization / control / monitoring (local and/or remote), hit up yours truly..
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 4:12pm On Mar 20, 2024
Obnoxious2001:
Okay.
All this our many speculation grin grin grin

You do electronics?
Studied and Practicing... Yes
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 8:38pm On Mar 12, 2024
Obnoxious2001:
I agree with all except the battery part
(Cc and inverter are both connected to the battery. In situations where inverter self is not working, it still used to be affected by lightning)
That was why I said,

"Your inverter is most likely turned on / connected to a power source (the battery)."

It's still connected to a power (battery) source even when switched off those switches (Most likely MOSFETs) can still falsely come on.

The battery is not the primary source for a controller, current is supposed to flow from panel to the battery and not the other way round. The switches being short circuited are on the panel side.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 7:18pm On Mar 12, 2024
Obnoxious2001:
I don't think this is why.

The question is how come is controller MCU architecture more protected (even in thunder strike, you don't need to reset it).

Aside from drivers flashing (this is probably as a result of over voltage) Na that MCU be the main thing
The basic characteristics nature of every controller and inverter, is to perform voltage and current conversation and as regards the purpose (being a controller or an inverter), they have different configuration / topology of achieving such conversation.

To make my argument simple and less technical, and since most of us are well aware that inverters / charge controller are all glorified power converters (DC-dc or dc-ac or whatever), I will assume that for majority of these inverters / controller, they have internally, two groups of switches, of which one, and only one group must be switched on at any time. If for any reason both are on at same time.. big bang. This timing is usually controlled by an MCU (typically) connected via 'drivers'. You don't necessarily need a direct hit to make them miss calculate, just EM radiation from nearby strike can make some lose focus and most probably hang!! The MCU can hang leaving both groups of switches on! (That's why you'll need a reset for those that survived and can't self reset).

1. Lighting usually strike at night (controller is not charging, even if both switch are forced to turn on, no power from solar that will make them blow up).
Your inverter is most likely turned on / connected to a power source (the battery).

2. Even if strikes occurred during the day time, Most controller are designed to shut cct the panel to find the Maximum point, so the the two groups switches coming on at same time might survive the current rush (and it's usually not sunny when it rains).

3. All my assumptions are base on non direct hit by lightning oo. I am not sure that even the so called branded names will survive a direct hit! grin (Controller and inverter inclusive).

PS: just my theories.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed:
dollarnaira:
What am saying is it doesn't work with all inverters.
It works with all inverters bro, and generally all power converters. Once you can get a matching FET, or even better (voltage, current, on resistance, gate capacitance, rise time etc..) rating, it will definitely work.

The major problem with repaired electronics is that the root cause is often ignored (did something not behave as it was designed to that made the FET go bad?) , or the damage to to FET had resulted to a slight damage of another device (eg. The FET driver), just changing the FET with the same or similar type in either of this case will definitely be a temporary solution.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 11:19am On Oct 08, 2023
bassdow:
Current is NEVER TOO MUCH because the applicance draws what it needs.
It's Voltage that CAN BE TOO MUCH because it flows into the connected device.



in other words, if a phone's charger is rated 5-volts 2A , you would have no issue connecting it to a charger rated 5-volts 400A. BUT no make mistake connect am to charger of much higher Voltage.
For the record, I don't agree with the bolded in the context in which the question to reply was asked.

Also the bolded and '5V 400A phone charging' are completely different scenario and should not be assumed same.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 11:06am On Oct 08, 2023
ojeysky:
This thread is to share/learn experiences and what you say here is very important as it may help someone else positively or otherwise. Please have a open mind to correct what you had thought was the right thing.

1. No lithium cells comes with a BMS
2. A 5v with 400A source connected to a phone will sure blow it up as the current limiting diodes will fail at some point if not immediately
3. A lead acid Max charge current needs to set on the charger to avoid spoiling the battery
4. Lithium has a higher C rates with most of them being able to do 1C hence you have a lot of window to play around with subject to your installed BMS max

Ultimately as we say on stock thread, readers are adviced to apply due diligence on what they read here.

All the best
Egbon Ojey you're seeing this 400A like it's already thrusting through the phone grin If that's the case then the phone will fry nah.

We're assuming a constant voltage source of 5V, ability of 400A and not a constant current source of 400A, ability of 5V.

I could agree with 3, and 4 you listed tho.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 10:44am On Oct 08, 2023
Dam5reey:
There is a limiter, that has a rating it can handle..if you exceed the limiter's capacity, you are on our own.

I have blown up devices based on your assumptions.
I agree with you that there's a limiter capacity that if exceeded, the device might be destroyed.

The question now is what could cause this limiter capacity to be exceeded?

Certainly it can't be current because say a 2A limiter will do all it could to maintain a current 2A.

Could it be voltage? Yes!
Because the excess voltage will result to more power being dissipated by the limiter to maintain 2A current!

What could cause the excess voltage?

Case 1. The power source itself ( your phone charger )
Case 2. The battery being too low ( the limiter will disspate more power to maintain 2A for a battery that's at 3V, than when the battery gets to 4V )

So in assumption that your phone's limiter can handle Case 2 without any issue, and as long as the voltage of you charger never exceeds 5V, even if it's a 1000A source, nothing will happen to your phone.

Remember I said Most phones grin
Queed:
Most phones will only pull just what it need at that 5V
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 9:12pm On Oct 07, 2023
Dam5reey:
All information is wrong..

Battery that does not have BMS cannot limit the charge current..

Also don't attempt to connect a 5V, 400A, 2000 Watts into phone. You will smoke the cable as well as the phone as there is a power limit the board can handle.
Most phones will only pull just what it need at that 5V
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 9:11pm On Oct 07, 2023
brightk:
If there is anything called grade e cells i think it will fit into the category of cells you sell to unsuspecting victims. You cant eat your cake n have it.
I guess he wouldn't sell at same price as new cells
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 3:44pm On Oct 01, 2023
bassdow:
if you studied Electronics, or have background knowledge of such, or even did a little research, you would have known better.


why you think most electronics that used to be BULKy, are now much portable ?
Lol. The fact that say a transistor gets smaller doesn't make it less a transistor huh

Those Inverters you call sachet/ transformerless (Suoer and co.) actually do have transformers inside which are used for the DC to DC converter block.

That said, it's possible for an inverter to be completely transforless, an inductor could be used for the DC to DC converter block, or you could arrange 25 units of 12V battery in series to get 300V DC which will substitute for the DC to DC converter block. But as you may have already noticed, these two other methods aren't much practical (for the inductor, 12v to 300v is too much of a conversion ratio for even as small as an 100W inverter, and either case, good bye to any form of isolation you may want to provide between the battery and the AC out).

PS: I studied Electronics, I have the background knowledge of such, I have done little research, and I have built a lot of those sachet inverters and various power converters. So I do know quite well.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 8:13pm On Sep 30, 2023
bassdow:
You trying to compare 2 different things / terms.

1. There's Hybrid vs non-hybrid inverter

2. There's Transformer vs TransformerLESS inverter

A "transformer hybrid inverter" is one that CONTAINS a TRANSFORMER, and has a Built-In chargeController.

An inverter with TRANSFORMER is HEAVIER, more rugged, and could withstand more abuse such as Sparks, Spikes, surges, etc, than TransformerLESS inverter which are more portable, NOT Heavy, but LESS rugged.

TransformerLESS inverter, is popularly called Sachet inverter.
TransformerLESS inverter, uses MOSFET, and other semiConductors inStead of a transformer. They are more energy friendly - i.e they don't unnecessarily waste current via magnetic fields since they have no Transformer Coil windings. But they are less Rugged and Less Durable.

TransformerLESS inverters, are much CHEAPER than Inverters with TransFormers of similar spec.
When you say the TransformerLESS inverter doesn't use a transformer, then what boosts the voltage from say 12v, to whatever level that's suitable for appliances? tongue
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 7:37pm On Aug 21, 2023
Prince3030:
Please is there any ready made power box with solar that can carry a load of 250watt for atleast 6 hours? Anyone has an idea?
What kind of load is the 250W? AC or DC? If AC, would it tolerate MSW? You mentioned solar, is the 6hrs time during the day or at night.. or you just need it to work at least once a day for 6hrshuh
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 10:44pm On Feb 09, 2023
NiyiOmoIyunade:
Ah! 1.5hp AC on a 3.5kw 24v HF transformer based inverter is plenty o shocked shocked shocked

As you may know the HF inverters do not like inductive loads - they have virtually zero surge handling and what they do have is usually for 1 or 2 cycles - read like much less than half a second - although you may have an inverter AC, the variable speed motor will still present an inductive load. The physics limitations of switch mode power supplies must be respected as in an HF inverter lacking a large iron core/toroidal transformer they perforce cannot handle the surges and transients created as inductive loads go on and off (when your AC compressor picks up or cuts off). The ability of your inverter to handle surges and transients is directly proportional to the amount of iron present in the transformer due to something called the 'flywheel effect' . LF transformer based inverters rated for large loads have plenty of iron (more than needed for the application) in their transformers and the FETs switch much slower (hence low freq) and are often large sized and designed to run much cooler - all these factors surges/voltage spikes & transients/ back emf/reverse current/flywheel effect running temps etc impact how well your inverter does with surge loads.

In simple English most budget HF inverters are sorely lacking in the internals needed to run those large and problematic loads robustly for a long time.

There is also the issue of large loads on a 24v system - it is amps flow that makes cables and power electronics heat up which is why you may have seen your fan run more than you expected.

2,000w load on your 24v nominal LFP bank is 75a flowing through the inverter DC bus - even in a premium system 75a is significant energy flow talk less of a budget el cheapo with lower grade components.

I think you may have pushed the device beyond it's real hardware limits. It is not uncommon for the capacities and tolerances of el cheapos to be overstated.
Just for curiosity sake, say the FETs of the Switch mode inverters are made much larger or over sized, such that the ferrite transformer doesn't necessarily need to rely on the flywheel effect, rather, being in the forward mode, the necessary instantaneous power are pulled from the battery to handle surges. Could this be a solution to the problem or must there be an iron somewhere that would have to had store this power needed for the surge?
Science/TechnologyRe: How To Create A Locally Made Inverter With Ease by Queed:
Hero2t:
You can buy 100ah lithium battery for around 140k - 160k and an inverter like 1.2kva tbb for 86k or any other compatible inverter and add solar later.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed:
dollarnaira:
But Valto have dem ever since
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Science/TechnologyRe: How To Create A Locally Made Inverter With Ease by Queed: 1:44am On Jul 16, 2022
The KENE_01 is an hybrid alternative power system with the following built-in devices:
• 300W Inverter
• 960Wh LFP battery
• 24A Change controller (MPPT)
• 5v 1.5A usb (X2)
• BMS / 1A Balancer

Comes with a 180W power adapter (charge via TX60 connector).
Can connects Directly to solar panel (via TX60 connector)
Ideally, all that's needed is any voltage source in the range Vmin = 14V dc, Vmax = 32V dc.

Features:
• Sleep: Can be set to
1. Battery - Shutdown when battery is below a preset percentage
2. Time - Shutdown when a preset time (minutes/hours) has passed.
• Monochrome OLED interactive display - displays all parameters
• Charge Current can be selected to be anywhere from 1.0A to 24.0A with step of 0.1A
• Tri-Colour LED to indicate battery level, charging status, and battery/time shutdown. (Can be turned off for all if desired)
• Four control/navigation buttons
• ESP32 - dual core 32bit micro controller - processes and controls all system functions and devices ( including the MPPT algorithm, BMS, Balance etc.).

Price: #230k (pay by installments available)
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ComputersRe: Let's Discuss Embedded System by Queed: 4:13pm On Jan 17, 2022
Dondbuzor:
Pls I need an answer. Embedded systems and programming which one has more opportunities(profitability) in nigeria.
With reasons plz
Hello buzzor hope you're doing fine.
I am at this stage currently and it's pretty much overwhelming cry
I am very good at embedded systems and complex electronics (both theoretical and practical) and I have done a number of interesting projects too.
Just that there aren't much opportunities for embedded engineers in Nigeria which is really discouraging. Most people I know that are into web/ app design are doing quite well, and I having this urge to switch to web.

Please I beg to ask, which option did you choose and did it favour you?
Or you could just give me an advise embarassed
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 8:15am On Dec 03, 2021
NiyiOmoIyunade:
Ah! shocked shocked shocked
Good morning sir. Please I'll like to get in touch with you on WhatsApp

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