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streetsoldier1:
if i dey with them physically i can tell, cos i understand female body

See below Mr female body

Secretbloodline:
Not one man in here as agreed with you. Not one.

https://www.nairaland.com/8682596/secret-bloodlines-anti-bastard-regimes#140062326

Lying as usual. Same way you Louisiana Creoles are from Palestine and have no African blood!
What do you call these below? Women?

Hezmatosky210:
But jokes apart, there's elements of truth here o. Because after the love and bond with my children from pregnancy to infancy to adolescent to adult, many times we've shared love, sufferings, laughter, pains and joy together then one idiot from nowhere wants to drag me to go and do DNA, as how naw? The fact is that, I will never ever want to think whether the children are mine or not. Children wey i nurture from pregnancy till now

CanadaOrBust:
I agree with you. But it won't work because they now have home DNA tests.
What government should do is find a way to prevent stupid, lazy, and criminal people from breeding.

Secretbloodline:
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These your screenshots exactly illustrate my point. See how they were all discovered earlier on. Compare to a man who happily took his baby home, no problem, no suspicion. They bond as child and father through all sorts of ups and downs. Then the child turns 12 and the father suddenly want a DNA fishing expedition!

streetsoldier1:
e dey show for face if u sabi the game.... those other guys go know but just lock up since na to just chop and go

E no dey show for face. Did ser that innocent -looking girl saying she was sleeping with 20 men a day in Lybia. Can you tell these girls below are prostitutes?

DMCA:
when this type tell man say she get belle for am, QuinQQ go want make d man no go do DNA test to sure say na him d pikin wey she born na him own.
even if na d other guys d pikin biologically belong to, make d person wey dem pin am on raise d bastard.
Quinqq come see ur type

See lie o. I made it clear I support DNA at birth. What I don’t support is suddenly going DNA fishing on a teenager you've raised since infancy!

Kobojunkie:
You went with the baba mama approach, yet you blame the woman for being wary of you?

Anyways, your child is sick, and you want us to believe you are "working hard to bring her closer". How many hours hanging out and playing with your daughter does this translate into daily?

2. Well, most of them will likely end up with the same issue you are here complaining of, and for no fault of anyone else's.

Unintended consequences. They think life is 2+2=4. Have you ever seen a very successful man who did baby mama to have his children??

doctore212:
Noo. I neva marry. Make I test all the oloshos in my area then i will think about marriage

Just didn't also test AIDS and other STDs

Johncarlo07:
Why not tell Israel to attack Iran too,or are dey afraid to?
D devastation dey suffered afta attacking Beirut still dey giv dem PTSD.
Av u seen dem attack Beirut since den?

If ur Israel is dat powerful, it shld av entered dis current restarted conflict make e body dey.
Israel wey no fit defeat Hezbollah instead resorting to killing children, civilians nd bombing houses.

SlavaUkraini:
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Stories for the gods....

Continue to Cry 😭😭😭😭

Allow him console himself. I don't think he saw this below

DMCA:
u never tire to d copy and paste same reply to everyone over and over?

See delusion. Probably didn't read up to two pages of the thread!

CanadaOrBust:
But who will decide "the best men" and "the best women"? I feel I'm a best man and I'm sure many people feel they're best men too

Who decides everything else in society? Who decided Tinubu will be President? But there'd also be gene selection and gene editing, not that the "best" will be taken without alteration. Also some integration with AI will be added. People will not be banned from having their own babies if they still choose but of course their babies wont be able to compete with these babies.

Pathetic liar

nonny1212:
Nigeria police wey no dey like stress, them go cock gun shoot you ASAP.

And the gun will Jam or hit an innocent person!😅

DeltaBachelor:
Chai….Las Las, he will still be caught, so what’s the need ?

Lol, at least he'll avoid jail for a few days while he gets his affairs in order

LordReed:
Yes it is possible for a man to be aware that a child may not be his and still choose to raise the child. But the issue here is Quin wants the state to curtail the rights of EVERY MAN. Look now he even dreams of a state powered eugenics program. The last time we heard of something like that it was from the Nazis. Basically Quin is dreaming of a fascist state that forces men to father children that are not theirs. Do we need to elaborate all the ways this is a bad idea? After 15 pages of sound arguments to the contrary?

You keep citing 15 pages and labeling things and saying what Nazi's did - without presenting any argument whatsoever!
You write, "The issue here is he wants the state to curtail the rights of EVERY MAN", doesn't the state usually curtail your rights when it is deemed in society's interest? Can you grow and smoke Marijuana in your room? Can you sex or marry a 16 year old? So talkin about the state curtailing rights is no argument.

Like I said, never mind lebels or what Nazi's did, just tell us (without name-calling or insults) why it is bad to try to eliminate bad and disease-prone genes from the human gene pool through gene selection, then tell us how you'd rather do it. Just state your own points as I do, and repeat them if necessary so no one can pretend not to understand - just as I do!

LordReed:
So you just guessed? You didn't look at any actually data, you are just basing your opinion on a guess!

If I talk now you will say I'm insulting you.

And to top it off you want a eugenics program. Do you need me to explain why a eugenics program is a bad idea? Not to talk of why you would choose a program similar to what the Nazi wanted.

Bro you are so full of bad ideas.

I actually didn't just guess. I looked at this statistics shown below (1-4%), then combined it with the one you showed (25%), to arrive at the less than 10%. Common sense.

Never mind lebels or what Nazi's did, just tell us (without name-calling or insults) why it is bad to try to eliminate bad and disease-prone genes from the human gene pool through gene selection, then tell us how you'd rather do it.

correctguy101:
Come on, I've told you before in another way. There's a reason for selective breeding.

And as an animal different from the rest, humans truly have a just cause to do selective breeding.

You can't decide to do it anyhow like common animals. Even in the animal world, some do choose who they mate with. Let alone humans.

Why do you think that happens?

Ya claims are not founded on solid grounds. Sorry...


Lemme share something real personal. But before I choose to have a child with any woman, she must have records that are encouraging even if you check to the third generation... My reason is simple. My Uncle...

The old boy married in the 70s one fine girl. But she has more than one person in her family that has succumbed to madness, and she's showing signs as the years pass. Today, she's semi crazy.

So how I no go wonder the pool I'm mixing my own genes with? That's why all these things gained credibility.

There are stupid women out there who go find and make out with psychopaths and total inhumane animals, whose idiocy springs from defective genes. So make we accept them too?

By my Creator, stop please. You know how many loonies dey outside? then some woman that says she's a wife would now make me take care of the child of a loonie? What if the child inherits the defective genes?

The peace of any man is self given, not even the children he has could make that possible. All they can be is an addition to the peace a man already has.

If not for my privacy I would have posted some pictures. But let's leave it at that.

Lordreed, what do you truly think about this matter our op brought up. I would like to know if it's possible for a man, aware of these possibilities to decide to be ignorant of such an easy matter as this and be happy....

I personally feel it's impossible.

But we're NOT talking of your wife. We're talking of a child you've raised from infancy to about 10, 11, 12, with only about 7 more years left to go!
About your uncle's situation, that can happen regardless of how careful a person is. Something can be so hidden way back in ancestral gene line
that there hasn't been any sign of it for generations only for it to manifest with a child. Hence two white people can have a "black" baby or two black people have a "white" child. The only way to avoid it is scientific gene selection as I was suggesting!

LordReed:
The question is how do you know? Are you just guessing?

Common sense, that's how. Rather obvious.

But never mind all that. what do you think of this below? Don't you think we ought be able to override our animal instinct with reasoning? Why must a person's particular genes survive? How does that benefit the person?? What do you think of this: the best women's eggs are fertilized with the best men's sperm and children mass-produced and distributed? That way evrryone experiences fatherhood and motherhood and all the children have great genes! Just say what's wrong with the plan, don't insult or call me names!

Nature gave we animals an extremely strong instinct to have our genes survive and most of our actions are dictated by that instinct. That's why men want to sleep with as many women as possible and why a mother gazelle
would give her life for her baby. But as humans with brains why must we be exactly like lower animals?? We ought USE OUR BRAINS to see that survival of our particular genes benefits us NOTHING! What is important is that we live a fulfilled, satisfying life that includes as much of life as possible, including fatherhood!
We are not lower animals. We are humans. God gave us the ability to reason, the ability to think thongs through. We ought be able to use it to override our base animal instincts!

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DMCA:
If e like make e turn president tomorrow, I no want d bastard associated with me
make e no carry my name

You are calling your president bastard. Until DSS catch you!
Well, everything is being renamed Tinubu, after the "bastard". Deal with it!

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Now that many people have agreed with me, I want to state some of the points clearly so that (hopefully) everybody will agree with me.

**1) Birth DNA test is best because it makes this debate mute. But unfortunately we don't have that

**2) A man who has raised and loved a child from infancy to teenage IS HIS FATHER and ought focus on properly raising the precious child to maturity, instead of spending scarce resources on UNWARRANTED DNA FISHING EXPEDITIONS!

**3) Nothing wrong in the state enacting laws to encourage him do just that.

**4) 90% of DNA test cases, the husband is the biological. So we're talking about 10%. Different if the tests were free and unobtrusive. But no, they're expensive and involves the children and their mother who now know their father lacks trust in them. And lacks love for them too because if you love someone you won't be out trying to prove they're not your child! Those are enough to break up a home even if it turns out the father is the biological!

**5) Efect on society as a whole ought also be taken into account. Unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions on teenagers raised from birth can only result in possible broken homes, destruction of trust within the home, and fatherless children that'll likely end up menace to society!

**6) Govt's duty to protect life and property is not helped by broken homes and fatherless children. The main aim ought be to prevent destabilization of families and allow children be raised with both a father and a mother.

**7) Assuming test is negative, the biological will not suddenly appear!

**8} Even if you land in the 10% it is not the end of the world. Remember people pay millions for a child and others fight tooth and nail for custody. Getting a healthy child for free is not the worst thing in the world.

**9) Also remembe that throughout human history there had never been DNA tests yet we're still around and kicking. And sometimes, unbeknownst to the father, the most successful of his children is not even his biological child
but he gets all the accolade as his father and the child carries his name and proudly references him as his father. How is sperm more important than that?

**10) If you study the screenshot below you'll know that many people (maybe including you) are NOT biologically related to some of their ancestors. What difference has it made??

**11) The only father who has testified on this thread wrote: "After.after the love and bonding with my children from pregnancy to infancy to adolescence, many times we've shared love, sufferings, laughter, pains and joy together then one idiot from nowhere wants to drag me to go and do DNA, as how naw?"

Hopefully everyone now agrees with me. If you still don't, all I can say is I'm sorry for you!

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DMCA:
Quin defender of paternity fraud, come an see

Come and see what? You didn’t post any screenshot. And FYI this is not about parternity fraud. This is about discouraging people from going on a wild goose chase that'll likely end up in breaking up a home wether DNA turns out negative or positive!

reservd:
I quite agree with you but what happened to the biological father of the "fatherless" children? We are in a society where the actual father can later come and claim his child unless he's already late. This child we are "protecting here, how will he/she feel finding out the person he has been looking up to isn't his/her biological father. My point in all these is just sincerity from the onset, that's all

I'm also an advocate of DNA test at birth.
For various reasons the biological father (if different) hasn't been in the picture for ten years
and is not likely to suddenly pop back into the picture.
But let's be clear what we are talking about here:
90% of DNA test cases the husband is the biological. So we're talking about 10%. Different if the tests were free and unobtrusive. But no, they're expensive and involves the children and their mother knowing their father lacks trust in them. And love too because if you love someone you won't be out trying to prove they're not your child. That's enough to break up a home even if it turns out the father is the biological!

Also remember, all through history there had never been DNA tests and sometimes, unbeknownst to the father, the most successful of his children is not even his biological child
but he gets all the accolade as his father and the child carries his name and proudly references him as his father.
Can't you see that matters way more than sperm??

Here's what a real father wrote below on this thread. Govt law will be to encourage all fathers of teenagers to be more like that!
Here it is:

But jokes apart, there's elements of truth here o. Because after the love and bond with my children from pregnancy to infancy to adolescent to adult, many times we've shared love, sufferings, laughter, pains and joy together then one idiot from nowhere wants to drag me to go and do DNA, as how naw? The fact is that, I will never ever want to think whether the children are mine or not. Children wey i nurture from pregnancy till now

slimik:
I pour you spit bro you are cursed! 😆

Back to sender.
But never mind about me, simply state your own points as my erudite friend above just did. This is a debate not some sort of a fight!

CoolUsername:
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You said "His money, his choice". Was pointing out to you, just because it is your money doesn't mean the state can't prevent you from spending it in certain things!

IamAsiri:
Don't care about what the thread is about. Your topic is just wrong, which is what I pointed out.

Well, debates don't work that way. You can't say something is wrong without saying WHY it is wrong. That's not how it works

LibertyRep:
Clarification noted.

But what killed her is the issue at hand.

Plus why second a university staff to the ministry of works and then to the private residence of a minister.

Lots of things to unravel and this should not be swept under the rug.

It WILL be swept under the rug!
And ain't nothing you can do about

Ok, therefore you kill her!

LordReed:
Haa, poor guy, he can't think.

Bwahahahahahaha

LordReed:
Unlike you I don't arrogantly think the ideas I dreamed up while navel gazing are supreme, I can recognise when people have excellent points. Lots of people have given you well thought out and well written rebuttals to anything you have to say and instead of considering it you just repeat your already thoroughly defeated idea.

😅
Poor guy, he can't think of any points to present!😂

CoolUsername:
His money, his choice

Why doesn't he use his money to marry a consenting underage girl? It is his money and the girl is willing

addictiv:
We are going round in circles because you keep dressing up injustice as family protection.

Let us call your position exactly what it is.

You believe that once a man has loved, raised and financially supported a child for long enough, he should be denied the truth because his continued ignorance is useful to the mother, convenient for the government and less disruptive for society.

That is not protecting a family. That is exploiting a man’s love and using his emotional investment as a trap.

You say the child may become fatherless if the man walks away. But a child needing a father does not give the state the right to manufacture one through deception. The solution is to identify the biological father and make him fulfil his responsibilities, not to force an innocent man to carry another man’s obligation because he is already available.

You also cannot declare infidelity and paternity fraud irrelevant. A negative DNA result does not fall from the sky. Either there was a hospital error or another man fathered the child. Those facts are the entire reason the result matters.

You keep calling the family settled. A lie does not become legitimate because it remained hidden for many years. Fraud does not become acceptable because the victim has already invested heavily. In fact, the longer the deception continues, the greater the emotional and financial damage.

If the child is his, the test confirms it and the family continues. If the child is not his, the test did not destroy the family. The deception did. You are blaming the alarm for revealing the fire.

And if your genuine concern is protecting children from the shock of a late discovery, then compulsory DNA testing at birth is the obvious solution. Establish the truth before years of bonding, sacrifice and responsibility. You cannot reject early verification and then use the damage caused by late verification as an excuse to ban the truth entirely.

Your argument reduces the man to a disposable provider. His consent does not matter. His money does not matter. His emotional wellbeing does not matter. His right to know does not matter. All that matters is that he remains in position and continues paying so society does not have to deal with the consequences.

That is not fatherhood. That is forced responsibility through state protected ignorance.

A man may discover that the child is not biologically his and still choose to remain because of the love and bond they share. That would be genuine fatherhood because it would be based on truth and choice.

What you are proposing is not love, choice or family stability. It is deception made convenient.

Fairly long one.
(I never said I was against birth DNA)
Ok, let's be clear what we are talking about here:
90% of DNA test cases the husband is the biological. So we're talking about 10%. Different if the tests were free and unobtrusive. But no, they're expensive and involves the children and their mother knowing their father lacks trust in them. And love too because if you love someone you won't be out trying to prove they're not your child. That's enough to break up a home even if it turns out the father is the biological!

Also remember, all through history there had never been DNA tests and sometimes, unbeknownst to the father, the most successful of his children is not even his biological child
but he gets all the accolade as his father and the child carries his name and proudly references him as his father.
Can't you see that matters way more than sperm??

Here's what a real father wrote below on this thread. Govt law will be to encourage all fathers of teenagers to be more like that!
Here it is:

But jokes apart, there's elements of truth here o. Because after the love and bond with my children from pregnancy to infancy to adolescent to adult, many times we've shared love, sufferings, laughter, pains and joy together then one idiot from nowhere wants to drag me to go and do DNA, as how naw? The fact is that, I will never ever want to think whether the children are mine or not. Children wey i nurture from pregnancy till now

CoolUsername:
How does a man end up unwittingly raising a child that isn't his outside of adultery and paternity?

That's the thing, we don't know whether there's been any of that. We do know that about 90% of cases turn out to be the man's biological child.
But that's not our concern here. What we are concerned with is discouraging sudden unwarranted expensive DNA fishing expeditions on teenagers raised from infancy!

LordReed:
I said WE not I, another evidence that you are incapable of being reasonable.

And can you please tell us why you can't stand on your own two feet? Why must you drag "we" into it??
See, you're too adversarial about the whole thing, using words like "clueless",
"myopic", "puerile", "lost in dreamland", instead of simply stating your points! Which is actually a sign of someone with no cogent argument.
This is a discussion, a debate, not some fight. You present your points and if someone doesn't get it or pretend they don't get it, you present it again - exactly what I do!
No need for insulting or adversarial tone!