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XTruth:
They already announced the closure..

They didn't close anything. Traffic is back to before the war levels, and oil prices continue plunging

XTruth:
The worst people you ever trust are Congressman they are only against the war because they weren't informed earlier enough. During Iraq war nearly every congress members own a defense stock.

Even before the Iran strikes the minster of wars company tried to buy defense stock through eft.

If that's true and provable, it is called insider trading, a very serious crime. See below

Secretbloodline:
Fog caused by all the lies in your brain. But don't worry, we hurl truth at falsehood until we smash out its brains.

Being a failure is not the end of the world. You're not the first and won't be last.
Just stop lying you're not a mixture like all Creoles, and we cool - no hard feelings.
Also stop.lying Michelle Obama is a man

OriOko88:
Stop typing sheet everywhere. Who will impeach Trump? You. There's no way democrats are winning the mud term. The polls are against them. They won't do anything better.go and check the records of democrats governors like Shapiro and newsom,they're all time know. Trump is still d boss

Then who said all these below?

XTruth:
Lol una just they lie to ourselves..
If all these are true then why did trump accept a casefire

Because he'll be impeached and possibly jailed if Dems win - which they will in a landslide if the war doesn't end

HacheNoire:
Let’s go by facts and figures statistically

Who do you think is a greater terrorist in Earyh?

You wouldn’t want to go there!

Anyways, Adieu!

Ok, do you think US or Irasel will attack uninvolved neighboring countries if attacked?
Do u think they'll attack uninvolved commercial ships at sea. Those are TERRORIST acts

HacheNoire:
Now you went to the lowest.

You want me to compare the economy of Iran that has been under sanctions for five decades with that of the US?

You have really lost it!

The comparison.is in scale.
I told you US economy is thriving and you doubt. Core inflation is below 3%. Iran's is 200%, highest since the early 40's. THAT is the comparison!

HacheNoire:
You are not conversant with US politics!

Those Latinos that they have deported almost half of their generations. 😂 Don’t make me laugh please.

You said economy is doing fine right? It was under this same administration that debt overshot GDP. Same economy saw the job losses and inflations.

You want to talk about the manipulated stock market? You could use that as a point. But point to every other metric, it’s a shiit show.

Compare to Iran on this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/8685540/red-meat-dream-iran-inflation

HacheNoire:
Glad you did not address other issues!

Will oil prices bring back insurance premiums?

Will the end of the war bring back retaliatory economic woes that hit farmers?

Will same end of war restore and reimburse social and Vetetan service cuts?

You seem not to know the current plays?

How about immigration? He had massive votes from the Latinos in the last election, but they got hit hardest the most in immigration enforcement.

All odds are against him?

What can he boast about today? Exactly what’s?

Don’t even let us go to inflation.

Immigration: Latinos that VOTE are with Trump
Economy: is good and inflation is not that high snd will come down. All other things you memtioned don't affect votes a lot

JimD:
Yes. He has faced more than that. He's been accused of corruption. And they've tried to impeach him multiple times. Same with Bibi. Trump is just a coward.

Dotherightthing:
He can do it now

Also Dems will never have the numbers to impeach him

Besides, this is fake news from Facebook. See below

HacheNoire:
With or without the midterm, Republicans are going out!

They have hurt their own people and those dudes are angry.

Gas prices, farmers bankruptcy and unprofitability , health insurance through the roofs, social and veteran service cuts. Republicans are bound for hell in the coming elections.

Those MAGA thought the policies won’t affect them but now hitting hard.

Not true. If the war ends NOW Trump has chance to remind people of all his successes and the good economy. But as long as the war is on it will dominate all the news

JimD:
Trump knows jack shit about war. You never show weakness to the enemy, even if you're in a position of weakness. And the U.S. always had the upper hand. You already eliminated their top brass. You decapitated their leader. Instead of you to capitalize and bring it home, you were hesitating. You always allowed them to reorganize and control the narrative. That's why the world respects Zelensky. That's why Iran fears Bibi more than Trump. Weakling!

Zelrnsky is NOT facing a midterm elections that could get him impeached and jailed unless the war stops

Dotherightthing:
Iran is just taking Trump for a ride

What a shame!

Trump must invade and CONQUER Iran for this nonsense to end

Iran will never give in unless CONQUERED. Israel knows this quite well and doesn't waste time negotiating nonsense

Iran can NEVER survive a combined US air and ground assault. NEVER!

Trump is a disgrace to US presidents. Even Obama wasn't this humiliated.

Life is not always about quick-easy victories. Sometimes, there is work to be done.

You can't invade and conquer Iran if you're impeached and in jail - which is what will happen if Dems win

donleo92:
Trump remember Japan

Show i-ranians little force and watch them coming to the negotiation table

This guys only understand brute force

The problem is, Trump doesn't have time. He needs the war to end NOW or he'd lose midterms, be impeached, and possibly jailed!

See what Trump said below

Neoteny:
🤪

😂🤣😅
The joke is on Iran. Someone that directly killed their heroes, Suleman, Ayatollah, and others, now that it is their chance to get a little revenge by refusing ANY deal so he'll lose midterms and be impeached (and possibly jailed), they'er letting him PAUSE the war so he can go do elections and come back. It would be definition of FOOLISHNESS if it weren't out of desperate drsperation!

Meanwhile here's the agreement you're basing everything on below. You people are ridiculous!

https://www.nairaland.com/8695448/iran-delegation-leaves-us-talks

Secretbloodline:
It is more than the boxes on the form as the Black Box is a multi dimensional concept. Your issue is morality, you sold your soul to become a billionaire and now you lack moral courage. What kind of King do you think you'd be? Whilst your people bow to you you'll be in secret bowing to a grandmaster? And he will be bowing to the British? Do you think things all the way through include moral considerations before you take a course of action? My father did and he did it right in front of me. My father turned down the offer to defile his moral standards for advancement. Yeshua did the same thing when Satan asked, bow to me all all things kingdoms I will give to you. I am honored to have had such fathers that came before me accepting poverty over the Devil's trap.

I don't have the foggiest idea what you talking about. Anything I have I got by foresight, positioning, and hardwork. I never have and never will have anything to do with Satan and his forces except banish them. As for yourself, that you're a failure is not the issue. Anybody can fail due to circumstances beyond their control. The issue is the ridiculous lying about your ancestry, and the trying to tie yiur self-esteem to some rabid antisemitic guy that died over 8 hundred years ago!

dermmy:
Regardless of the coming mid terms US can't subdue Iran and Americans are tired of this foreign entanglement which Trump promised he would end but he did the opposite. American lives have been lost billions of dollars wasted in the end no strategic objectives achieved. Please don't tell me killing Khamenei and some military top brass in Iran is what US should gloat about. Trump that has demanded an unconditional surrender from Iran is now back to the negotiating table. This war is a total failure.

Emphatically, this war has not ended. Mark my word. The lessons US gained from this war is more than anything they lost. What Iran has effectively done is say to Trump: "Go do your midterms in peace and apply all the lessons you learnt including a way to solve Hormuz, then come back when you're no longer facing impeachment if you lose election"!

Neoteny:
Nope.

Why go back under crushing sanctions, an aged Ayatollah with his nuclear fatwas, isolation, a strong US-israel alliance....when now they're thrust upon the global stage, have the power to cripple the world's economy, make the US dance to their tunes, are saving Hezbollah and Lebanon, now have sanctions relief, renewed alliance with gulf allies, a despondent Israel, and a cowed US?

Do you even know how many Americans are rooting for Iran?

Naw, this is a good thing iran's got going. So i question your sanity in thinking they're worse off than before.

Whatever your judeo-christian pastor duped you with into this losing position of obstinate ignorance must be quite potent

Forget about ME my man. Look at things OBJECTIVELY. Everything Iran may get is conditional. Everything Iran lost is lost forever. How much are Ayatollah and his entire family worth? They're gone forever. The ONLY thing Iran has is Hormuz, but Hormuz WILL be solved and solved permanently.
Did you see this thread below? Go tell those people they'd not want to go back a million times to how things were.

https://www.nairaland.com/8685540/red-meat-dream-iran-inflation

dermmy:
Lmao... The war is a blessing for Iran. Iran had secured a life time deterrence for herself. No US president will ever test the resolve of the Iranians anymore. Trump allowed Netanyahu to deceive him and he is regretting his folly now.

As for Israel that has tried to influence past US president to help her attack Iran this was a golden opportunity that has turned into a disaster.

Lmao indeed. These are the same people who say Jews and Israel control US and US presidents. At least this has proved that a lie forever.

Can't you see everything you say is conjecture. There is no law that says US can't start bombing Iran tomorrow. It ALL boils down to Trump is facing a midterms he can only win if the war ends, and must win or he'll be impeached. And Iran foolishly agreed to let him pause the war and go focus on those elections! Despite Sulemani, Ayatollah and countless other Iranians he killed. How much is Ayatollah and his entire family worth?

Secretbloodline:
You been got it.

I sort of suspected but sometimes you talk as if it is more than the boxes on forms. Then you represent it with physical boxes. It becomes confusing.
But to be clear (for anyone reading) you mean just the squares on forms people fill out

Secretbloodline:
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OK, now I get it. You mean the literal box filled out - that's what you refer to as black box. You want to have a separate Creole box. But can't you see that there's strength in numbers??
What do you think Creoles would have achieved left out of the black community. Can't you see they'd still be sitting at the back of the bus. Can't you see they still can't marry a white but can only be concubines. Can't you see all the progress from civi rights movement would have been denied you - all because you're trying to preserve a system rooted in racism about African blood because it afforded you some advantages. Can't you see how myopic that is? Whites have no cohesion either, they only have numbers but that's enough to have them rulling. English hate French and are very different from Sicilians, etc, but they all consider themselves whites. How powerful would they be if everybody stayed in his particular pocket like some Creoles wish it were?

PDPdestroyer:
Those respondents are fake Israelis. The real Israelis in Agulu, Abakaliki and environs believe Iran lost and that’s all that matters

And they are right. Iran did lose. Think:
Honestly, do you think Iran wouldn't a million times love to be back how they were before the war and still have all the people they lost??
US, on the other hand, learnt lessons worth more than anything they lost and wouldn't want things as they were before the war

commoditiesnig:
Sanctions! Sanctions! Sanctions!… That’s how to tame/keep in check countries like Iran just like Russia, North Korea, Cuba, etc.

You fight war, all parties lose one way or another!

In this particular case US actually lost very little compared to the lessons they learnt - while decimating Iran.
I don't think sanctions would have accomplished what US accomplished here and the lessons they learnt

frankson1:
Iran "blockaded" the world.

It is because of Iran that the US and Israel are having issues and it might escalate.

US is begging and desperately wants a permanent ceasefire and the war to end.

US has lost military hardware running into several millions if not in billion.

With the deal on the table, Iran gained the most from the war.


Deal with this info however you want

You are too focused on NOW and the agreement signed. How about all Iran has lost in the PAST? How about nothing stops US doing whatever they wish in the FUTURE?

Neoteny:
Has Iran been behaving well? Didn't they just shut down SoH with Vance downplaying it?

The US has learned one very vital lesson: misadventures in the middle east on behalf of Israel are bad for the US. G. W. Bush learned that well, now Trump has FAFOd too, and immediately TACOd. Trump would rather the political flame from the GOP AIPAC goons, Miriam Adelson, the entire Israeli contraption, and anyone else just so long as he can hightail it outta there.

While you were under your rock, Iran kept dictating terms of the US surrender, and they got Trump to fold. Anytime they threaten to blackout, Trump calls Bibi hurling invectives.

Trump won't dare restart this war, nor would any US president. That's why Obama went for a deal. That's why for 40 years all US presidents turned down Bibi except the orange clown who just found out.

Keep your hopes up, in some earth somewhere in the multiverse, the US undoubtedly won.

Now, let me savor your pains and disbelief.

😂 😆

😂😂Height of delusion indeed! This is only a PAUSE in the war foolishly allowed by Iran while Trump goes to work on midterms and on solving Hormuz. A pause - nothing more, nothing less!!

As to who ultimately won and will win, here's what I posted the guy above:

Honestly, do you think Iran wouldn't a million times love to be back how they were before the war and still have all the people they lost??
US, on the other hand, learnt lessons worth more than anything they lost. I can assure you Hormuz (Iran's only card) is being solved as we speak and would not be a factor or far less a factor when (not if) the war restarts.

Putinofrussia:
If you missed your objective in a war especially a super power and begged for a ceasefire like USA did,that is a failure.
Infact,the war gave more leverage to Iran and it showed all the world that it has a tight grip on the Strait of Hormuz now.
It is just like a nuclear bomb even more potent even America felt Iran's new nuclear bomb

Honestly, do you think Iran wouldn't a million times love to be back how they were before the war and still have all the people they lost??
US, on the other hand, learnt lessons worth more than anything they lost. I can assure you Hormuz, Iran"s only card, is being solved as we speak and would not be a factor in future US attacks

Secretbloodline:
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You keep sharing this image of a childhood photo of a British billionaire who came from nothing - without knowing what you're sharing. This turned out to be an extremely successful mixed-race marriage. Unlike the one that produced a certain Creole failure trying to hang onto 12th century King Louis!😂

Secretbloodline:
You love that Black Box. All men of severed bloodlines love the black box because they lack a pre colonial and slave heritage. Nothing more shameful than a dark skinned man with a white man's slave owners and colonizers lineage.

Lol, I'm sure 99.9999% of Nigerians on this platform are totally mystified as to what is black box. I myself I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Can you patiently explain it to anyone who might be reading.
In Nigeria you are judged on your own merit - Nigerians understand that what King Louis or King James did has nothing to do with you

Neoteny:
-one old, sick mullah was upgraded to a younger, more hardline one

-$300b restitution for the damage caused

-Ballistic missiles and drones 90% intact

-New weapon of mass destruction acquired by direct control of the Strait of Hormuz.

-Sanction relief and oil sales providing plenty of liquidity to rebuild the military and make it stronger

-New revenue stream from charging fees at SoH

-13 dead US service members, all US bases and capabilities in the region ruined, losing the US billions of dollars in infrastructure and creating a strategic blindspot

-Likely costing Trump the midterms

-US gulf allies rethinking their commitment to US military support and base hosting, realigning the balance of power in the region

-drove a deep political wedge between the US and allies.

With the above, especially with a new-found weapon that can squeeze not just Israel and the US but the entire globe, I'd say that's a damn good deal. We're glad you got an old decrepit mullah, a few dead soldiers, and sunken rundown ineffective ships for all the benefits and levers of power Iran now has.

So keep lying to yourself the US and Israel won, when this thread is about how the entire Zionist nation is grieving about their loss and bellyaching about the US.

Your perspiration as you contort yourself into a pretzel to defend your ignominy solo hydrates my soul 😂🤪😜😝😛

Everything you said is contingent upon Iran behaving well as defined by Trump, a definition that will change after midterm elections.
Funny thing is that if Iran had asked for even 20 trillion Trump would have promised it to them for his political survival. How many times had he said he'd be impeached if the Dems win - which they'd do in a landslide if the war continued.

US learnt a lot from the war. Golf states need to be made Iran-proof - with their own money.
Hormuz is Iran's only card and you can be sure it's being solved as we speak. By the time the next bombing starts they'd no longer have that card

commoditiesnig:
Exactly! The war was absolutely unnecessary! I’ve kept saying this

Unnecessary until Iran acquires nukes and keeps funding terrorist groups

Arrowhead71:
Ratio of 3000 : 27
Israel killed 3000
Iran reckless missiles kill 27
And Israel has not stop killing and bombing Iran regime in Lebanon
What does Iran regime does in return. ....nothing except empty threat .....shame on Iran regime

Definitely much more than 3000 Iranian soldiers alone unfortunately killed. Likely more than 6000. See below

Putinofrussia:
War is all about objectives just like football.
If you lost almost all your players to red card but still trashed your opponent by winning the cup,you are the winner.
Even Netanyahu knows that Iran won the war.Iran knew they won the war by signing a deal that is 80% leaning to their cause and advantage.

In football do you win by signing a deal that can be reneged upon right after midterm elections (that could have Trump impeached if the war continued)? In football do your players die permanently and the other team only promised to give you money if you behaved well?

Neoteny:
Especially Rabbi Quin.

Where's Righteousness2 these days, by the way? 🤔...has he gone to join the IDF in Lebanon?

My friend I said Iran lost more in the war BY FAR if you count permanent losses that are NOT conditional.
How can you say you won when all your leaders, Air defense, Navy, Airforce, trillions in infrastructure, and 6000 soldiers were wiped out- just because the other guy SAID he'd stop bombing you and give you some money if you behaved well?! While your losses are irreversible, nothing prevents him from reneging on all he said and start bombing you right after mid-term elections that could have seen Trump impeached if the war continued!

Secretbloodline:
>> And exploited enslaved women through *Placage*, a system where white men "owned" Black mistresses legally!

It is really heartbreaking when a person can't look himself in the mirror except through lies. And at same time forced by corcumstances to be defending the people who helped make him that way!

The really shamefull thing is lying about things that anyone can easily see is a lie.

What had enslaved women to do with Placage??
Weren't they already owned?!
Unless you define all sexual relationships between white men and black women as "Placage".

Here it is, spelt out though ridiculously romanticized:

https://youtube.com/shorts/Oybl3MJqblE?is=c9K_arF0vBX3yU4S