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musicwriter:
You keep jumping from one talk to the other. My interest has been on the character called Jesus who certainly NEVER existed at all. And you have no evidence otherwise.

I am not concerned about Paul. He may or may not be real but what's known for sure is that he didn't write some of the letters attributed to him. You can use the same AI to ask for books/letters that scholars believes were not actually written by Paul. The Bible stories are full of propaganda, genuine mistakes and outright lies.

Note: I just realized this is an old thread that I already left sometime ago. I believe I've already debated this with you or someone else here. And as I said then, it's not everyone that will be freed from the myth. What I know is that intelligent people would eventually uncover the lies and set themselves free.

I am done.

My friend, here is your statement verbatim:
"It took several thousanss of years to evolve into an emotional story of a human being killed on the cross." Something that Paul was writing elaborately about in the FIRST century!

You are the one that keeps jumping from one talk to the other. Did you at all read the text you responded to? Where did it say that Paul personally wrote all the Paulian letters?? Have you ever read the NT? WHY would he make all that up? Did he also invent the apostles he had personal interactions and disagreements with? Some people simply refuse to THINK! Can't you see that by admitting Paul existed and personally wrote most of his letters, you have equally admitted Jesus did indeed exist UNLESS you say Paul made up EVERYTHING and invented ALL the apostles he wrote about, and give us his motive for doing all that!

You should indeed be done with this topic forever and never again mention it until you find rebuttals for all the direct and circumstantial evidence listed below!

musicwriter:
The problem is that you don't know the source of the story.

Be informed that all the older Christo-messiahs before your Jesus also died in the hands of their enemies. Yet, even those older Christo-messiahs aren't the source of the story.

We all also believed the Bible myth like you but as adults we went into research.

The source of the story isn't a human being being killed but a snake being killed by haters as it's still being done today.

In ancient times the snake was the symbol of the Savior.

That's the PRIMARY SOURCE of the story but it took several thousanss of years to evolve into an emotional story of a human being killed on the cross. The story is the reason you're hooked. And it was created by political actors to achieve exactly the same thing.

Attached is a picture of one of the oldest symbol of the Savior (snake) killed and hanged on a tree.

If you're interested in the details, see one of my threads: what is Satan? What is Lucifer? The biggest secret in the world. There's a book there. Read the PDF version only. That's where you'll find all the details. You'll need to do your research several layers deep to uncover the lies.

I can't believe a human being actually believes this. But we kill snakes today why didn't they become messiahs?! And Paul's letters were written in 1st century (see below). Besides, the question you were asked was WHY would Rome and their emperors invent a religion like Christianity??!

obinna58:
What’s the essence of digging out the grave and forcing him to carry a rotten corpse

motymop:
they could have made the man not to carry the corpse
it is a disrespect to the corpse and the family
A family member would have called an ambulance and take it to a mortuary

You guys are weird. It's all part of his initial punishment! In fact he should be locked into a dark haunted house with the corpse for several days!

VanuatuWycombe:
Ogbeni, park jor. Billionaire this; billionaire that.

Are they practicing the course? No be another thing dem dey do? How’s car dealership related to Psychology?

Give me 100 names of people that studied Psychology and who practice it with their psychology company names.

You sha wan talk go that side say you get your people wey study irrelevant course but still make am. We go dey talk A; you go dey talk Q.

Na only maduka I fit vouch for. You see that Obi, im own get one kain roiroi waka.

My point is, people study all sorts of things (or study nothing at all) and still make it. So it is not by that

VanuatuWycombe:
What will he do with Psychology? Who advised him to study Psychology, in Nigeria?

Studying Psychology is like studying Zoology.
Who will employ and pay him well?

That era, when banks used to employ them, has gone.

Abeg make the guy carry im own mô,nkéy.

He scored own goals.

He should have started a little hustle since. May be he for don near road.

But that's his point - that he wasted his time and money. That he should have started hustle on time instead of wasting all that time.
It can be very painful indeed!

But don't forget, billionaire Peter Obi studied Philosophy and had second class lower!
As for billionaire Cosmas Maduka of Coscharis, see his university education below!

flokii:
Check well, you'll see he's one of those who rely on expo and other forms of exam malpractice to pass exams.
A truly educated person knows it's not entirely about using degrees to secure white collar jobs, it's the knowledge and awareness that comes with education that's the joy of it all.

Most prople already have enough formal education by the time they graduate secondary school. They can equally get "knowledge and awareness" from normal life hustle outside uni bubble. Except that the "knowledge and awareness" they get will be relevant and applicable to their real life!

DMCA:
Na ur 'OCHO baby' fraternal twin brother be dat?

See them separately below. You can't compare the two

DMCA:
u no mind that face?

SonOfWords:
Why Oshiomohle no go dey attractive for your eye? Thief😹!

Talk true, who below look better

DMCA:
But women fit marry anything because of money o
I watch Oshiomhole just now for dat video, I almost get seizure by seeing him face

QuinQ u go collect 1 Billion Naira to get romantic relationship with Oshiomhole?

Ocho is actually handsome in his own way. He is very fit, athletic looking and a governor and senator. That combination makes him attractive, not just money

alobright17:
why living in the past . What dumb thing is if it was when he was there ? How many years ago ? Won’t you move on ? Gosh . Lazy youths indeed .

It is not living in the past. It is telling folks NOT to look too much down on those listed because their president is one of them!

musicwriter:
You're asking those questions because you don't realize that in ancient times, people often switched from one God to another. It was nothing to be ashamed of.

Before Jesus, Rome invented the God Mithra which they copied from Persia (Iran). Mithra was also above the Roman Emperor and had most of the attributes as Jesus.

So, the Jesus myth wasn't the first time Rome invented a God that was above the Emperor. And nothing in history says they won't invent another in the great future.

Who is talking about switching gods? We're talking a god that you killed, that puts you in bad light and makes your god/emperor just another lowly sinner needing lsalvation, just like everyone else! That tells everyone to ignore you and focus on rhe hereafter, that says rich men like your emperor won't make heaven
A god whose disciples you horribly persecuted and tried to stamp out!

flexyrule:
Man, I'm a very very very busy person.

Didn't know you were the same person I've been talking to all along.

No P.
But "very very very busy" people don't patronize Nairaland!😅

Iceberg3:
My dear Queen QuinQQ,my post you quoted is indirectly for that mofo favor419 whatever he's called...he's been banned most likely by the anti spam bot 😁😁😁 he understands what I'm doing very well..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Do have a great weekend,cheerie 🎉🎉🎉

favor419, good one!😅🤣😂
favor914, what an apt moniker u picked!😅

HardMirror:
especially under Trump, you do not need to be convicted. Even if you entered legally, once you give them good reason such as commiting a crime, you are going back home. Even protesters are being deported. Trump no get time

No mind them. They forget this is not 1993. They'd have at the very least made deportation part of the forfeiture
Newyorkitis, Iceberg3, favor914
See below

favor914:
U just keep exhibiting your ignorance with pride .

Iceberg3:
Don't mind him...they should ban him so he will reset with watery beans in beans forum

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Never mind all that, just say how I'm lying in this day of Trump. $1.5M??!!! See below

HardMiror:
the US does not have to convict you to deport you. Most criminals deported were not convicted. Example is the famous case of Abrego Garcia

Newyorkitis:
Hahahahahahahaha
You are not serious, seriously!

Am I lying? There's NO WAY he could have avoided it with Trump. $1.5M?! See below

HardMirror:
the US does not have to convict you to deport you. Most criminals deported were not convicted. Example is the famous case of abrego garcia

favor914:
Any vacuum that just enters your head, u are quick to exhale without cross examination .

You are not making sense

favor914:
He attended college in Chicago, Illinois, so make we just pardon your ignorance.

Meaning what? Is that not America?

erad:
Go and take a nap abeg. "Trump doesn't play that"... The same man that is selling pardons? Lol. You American asslickers think in weird ways.

How many blacks or Nigerians has he sold pardons to? Someone that is looking for any reason to depart Nigeriand will let a Nigerian caught with $1.5m stay off that list? Keep dreaming

omoadeleye:
Try to reason like a human being when making a comment sometime

Don't respond to people like this - it makes you look stupid. Instead calmly address their points.
Can you calmly tell us how Trump will let someone caught with inflation-adjusted $1.5m clearly drug money in his bank accounts stay off that list

erad:
Appear on the list as what?
What crime was he convicted for?

Trump doesn't play that. You have $1.5m of clearly drug money in your bank accounts, you're appearing on that list whatever it takes!

When His Excellency, President Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu (GCFR), the Jagaban of.Borgu Kingdom, was in America, his name would have been one of the first to appear on this list!

** All those quoting me, if you're caught with $1.5m (inflation-adjusted) in clearly drug money in this Trump era, you surely are getting deported! See below

flexyrule:
That was in 2019.

Commercial banks will give you 50m as salary loan if you qualify. . Go and ask She'll staff.

I don't believe the truck story. I just answered someone who asked if bank really approve loans.

Don't you look at monikers at all? I am the one who asked the question and you answered me!
Thank you for clarifying that banks do not give loans like that. Otherwise every loser with some rickety van will be at the van trying to get 3.5m

flexyrule:
First of all, I was just offering the guy a clarification about the eligibility for bank loans.

This was the least amount that I ever took as loan with GTB. This was in 2020 when I was just a rookie in finance.

Did you say 2000%?

Wow, their interest rate is lower than Nigeria's food inflation rate (about 20%). Still, 1m is not 3.5m, you have a long repayment history with them, and most importantly, it is tied to a regular job, not some van!

You sure it is the poor lady and not Tinubu?

fattprince:
He actually has nothing to counter him with. And most delusional of them is Deepspirituals with his empty and illogical responses and turn around to accuse them of being illogical, talk about projecting.

The funny thing is that there are lots of things to counter him with. OP's HUGE mistake is that he is confusing Jusus' stature now with his stature back then. His followers were neither scholars nor writers. His story was passed on by word of mouth till it was writen down. It is a historical fact that there were lots of crucifixions back then. It is as if OP heard this theory of Jesus never existing somewhere then put on blinders and has refused to actually logically examine what he heard. He kept saying Eusebius wrote St. Paul's letters even after being shown that Eusebius was born centuries after Paul's letters were writen!

Why would emperor of Rome invent a god that makes him (a worshipped god) a lowly sinner like everyone else?! Why would Rome invent a god that they, Romans, crucified? A god that puts them in bad light? Why would Rome invent a god to supplant all their gods that helped them become a great empire? Why would Rome invent a god that advocated ignoring things of this world, including Rome, and focusing on the hereafter? Etc.
It is as if OP has refused to think.
To top it all off same Jesus is alive and working today, exactly as he said he would! We must accept there are things beyond our understanding as humans. This is one of them!
It is one thing to say that you don't believe things like zombie apocalypse ever happened. It is quite another to say Jesus and early Christians never existed! bolabizzle, LordReed, bolabizzle, DeepSight, MaxInDHouse, kingxsamz, KnownUnknown, musicwriter

sonmvayina:
For most of my life, I assumed Jesus was a historical figure, but then I decided to research the subject independently, and discovered to my surprise that there isn’t any credible evidence of Jesus being a real person, apart from the copious propaganda of the christian cult and a few non-christian writers repeating bits of that propaganda a century or more after the fact, or fiction.

And in a primitive game of telephone, a century is plenty of time for a mythical minnow to evolve into a mythical whale.

The simple truth, and secular historians and even conservative christian bible scholars will confirm this, is that there is no evidence that anyone living while Jesus was allegedly alive wrote anything about him, outside the christian bible.

And many bible scholars doubt that anyone inside the christian bible knew Jesus or had access to eyewitnesses.

If I asked christians if they believed the propaganda of the moonies, or the Jim Jones cult, or any other cult, they would of course say, “No!”

Why believe what cultists say, without evidence?

There are good reasons to be skeptical about what cults say about their alleged “messiahs,” but for some reason one cult avoids the general skepticism.

Why is that?

One rather obvious reason is that a recent survey reported by David Fitzgerald revealed that 41% or more of bible scholars are employed by religion-associated organizations that require them to sign statements of faith. Such scholars can be fired for saying something “heretical” that contradicts their “faith” and nothing could be more heretical than saying, “Jesus may not have actually existed.”

I say “or more” because many organizations refused to respond to the survey.

Thus the percentage could be much higher.

Bible scholars have to eat and pay their bills, and most of them have families to support, so it’s understandable that many of them express doubts in private but refuse to voice those doubts in public.

And yet, I have been able to compile a list of 352 scholars and researchers with “degrees galore” who have expressed doubts.

By Michael,Burch.

bolabizzle:
Must you display your ignorance for the public to see?

MaxInDHouse:
Because he is the only begotten Son of the true God!🙂

kingxsamz:
Cus the nigga was just an ordinary person who wasn't that important.

KnownUnknown:
Take the Jew plank out of your own eye before telling others about their eyesight.

musicwriter:
It's a pity you're bent on this cross thing

DeepSight:
But it still remains so laughable to me

7upnigeria:
That's discipleship for you. My landlady's Mum kpaid last year as a Jehovah witness, she needed blood transfusion but HER CHURCH did not permit it. She eventually kpaid. Now JEHOVAH WITNESS has changed that doctrine.

If you refuse to use your own brain in this world, you will kpai like a chicken. And people will even use the brain very well for you before you kpai.

Some people still pay Tithe in some churches in this age.

So painful. Going through all that only for them to change the doctrine!
MaxInDHouse, see what people are saying?

flexyrule:
In 2019, my salary account was with GTB. From the comfort of my home, I can use USSD to access 250% of my salary at 1.3% or so.

Yes, banks give loans, depending on your banking relationship with them.

It is tied to your paycheck. Besides, 2000% of your paycheck is not up to 3.5m. His is tied to a van he can disappear with!

PigTormentor:
I have 99 problems in life but "chopping" is not one of them.
I have problem of not being able eat as much as I would love to due to the fact that I want to be in good shape and in good health for me and for my family.
If eating is your problem, then we can't even reason on the same level.

Not your poor man type of chopping. There is "chopping" then there is "chopping life"

7upnigeria:
You should understand certain things about religion and discipleship. Once someone becomes a disciple of another person, it becomes difficult to convince or change their MINDSET.

Look at Obidients too, the Obi they're supporting has nothing to show that he can transform Nigeria yet they still support him.

Even some religions, you will wonder why some people are following certain religions or why they follow certain preachers and pay money to their churches, but that's the problem with DISCIPLESHIP, when you are a FULL DISCIPLE, you don't think LOGICALLY. Some people can go poor for their leader to win the next election or for their church to finish that church project or for their pastor to drive that latest car.

Like one poor woman so worrying that her pastor's private jet is getting old, poor guy

PigTormentor:
I'm also donating to the campaign of Tinubu and Hamzat in Lagos. If you have problem with that, then that your own wahala not mine.
I put my money where my mouth is.
I also do not expect any favor in thr future for my donations. It is my civi duty to make that Tinubu is reelected.

How much you dey donate?
No be after u don chop u fit donate?
Na only question I ask o

TheStoriesOfMan:
Unfortunately, I can't say what will happen afterwards, but I'll relocate to another country.

I go beg them to make am 10m and triple the high interest, don't worry, I go pay back