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Theawakensoul:
Honestly, I think that’s one of the best questions anyone has asked so far.

Because yes…
despite translations, edits, interpretations, church politics, and centuries of human involvement…

👉 the Bible is still helping some people.

I acknowledge that fully.

Some people have found through it:
👉 hope
👉 healing
👉 purpose
👉 discipline
👉 inner strength
👉 spiritual meaning

And I don’t think that should be dismissed casually.

But here’s the deeper point I’m making:
Something being impactful does not automatically mean every part of its historical formation was untouched, perfect, or beyond examination.

Those are two different conversations.

A book can:
👉 transform lives
AND
👉 still have a complex human history.

For example:
music can heal people emotionally.
Stories can change lives.
Philosophy can awaken minds.
Poetry can transform consciousness.

Human beings are deeply affected by meaning.

So yes, the Bible absolutely carries power for some group of people.

But then we must ask:
👉 where does that power come from exactly?

Is it:
👉 divine inspiration?
👉 collective faith?
👉 spiritual symbolism?
👉 wisdom accumulated across centuries?
👉 psychological transformation?
👉 consciousness responding to meaning?

Maybe it’s a mixture of several things.

My point has never been:
👉 “the Bible is useless.”

My point is:
👉 people should understand WHAT the Bible actually is.

Not a book that fell complete from heaven untouched by history…

but a collection of writings:
👉 written by humans
👉 preserved by humans
👉 translated by humans
👉 selected by institutions
👉 interpreted across centuries

And despite all that…
many people still encounter wisdom, transformation, and spiritual awakening through it.

To me, that doesn’t weaken the conversation.

It actually makes it more fascinating.

Because maybe truth, meaning, and spiritual insight can still shine through imperfect human systems.

And maybe questioning history does not destroy spirituality…

maybe it helps people approach it more consciously.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL (TAS)
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING 🌿

Theawakensoul:
I actually understand your point.

And honestly, you’re right about one thing:

👉 faith, belief, and meaning can have very real psychological benefits.

They can:
👉 help people survive suffering
👉 create hope
👉 provide emotional stability
👉 build community
👉 give purpose during difficult times

I don’t deny that at all.

But here’s the deeper question:

🔥 Does something become true simply because it is comforting or useful?

Because throughout history, many beliefs gave people:
👉 comfort
👉 identity
👉 certainty
👉 emotional security

and yet were still questioned later.

My point is not:
👉 “faith is bad.”

My point is:
👉 truth should not be afraid of investigation.

You said faith is not strengthened by constant questioning.

Sometimes that’s true.

But then we must ask:
👉 what kind of faith completely collapses the moment difficult questions appear?

Because personally, I think there’s a difference between:
👉 blind certainty
and
👉 examined understanding.

One is inherited.
The other is consciously explored.

And honestly, questioning does not always destroy belief.

Sometimes it refines it.
Sometimes it deepens it.
Sometimes it removes fear and leaves only what is genuine.

Also, I agree that absolute truth may be difficult for humans to fully grasp.

But that doesn’t mean we should stop:
👉 investigating
👉 reflecting
👉 learning
👉 or examining inherited ideas critically.

Because without questioning, people can inherit:
👉 falsehood
👉 manipulation
👉 superstition
👉 or institutional conditioning
without ever realizing it.

So I’m not arguing against meaning, spirituality, or even faith itself.

I’m arguing against the idea that beliefs should be protected from honest examination simply because they feel valuable.

Because comfort and truth are not always the same thing.

And if something is genuinely true…
it should survive sincere investigation, not depend on fear of questioning.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS.
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING.

Very well-written. But I answer you with same words I used for guy above:
You believe God is omnipotent yet you don't believe same God can get something as important as his intended words (or the Bible exactly as he intended it) into the hands of men. And that he can do this through human manipulations and misinterpretations!

As for your insistence on "truth" and questioning, if you truly start questioning, the first few questions will collapse everything: where did God come from, who created God? If God is so human-like and so into human affairs, why doesn't he simply show himself directly in a way that leaves nothing to doubt? Why do unspeakable evil and massive natural disasters exist? Why is the all-important earth so tiny it is invisible even by microscope (smaller than an atom - see below)? Etc.

Non of these questions are answerable from our human perspective (I mean answering them honestly and directly not the usual "uncaused cause" convoluted answer).
So if you consider your faith valuable and important to you, you spend your time on things that strengthen it, NOT on things that are, frankly, beyond you as a human being (like what are the exact original words Genesis?!)

HeatSeeker:
This is a cynical way to put it

Not cynical at all but realistic. You believe God is omnipotent yet you don't believe same God can get somrthing as important as his intended words (or the Bible exactly as he intended it) into the hands of people! And that he can do this through human manipulations and misinterpretations!

Amen!
Good one from GO Adeboye

lawani:
You can't destroy Iran with conventional bombs.you can just damage not wiping off the map as you originally inferred and people have been changing their ways before religion was invented, I am surprised you don't know this

If yiu destroy a country's power plants and all oil extractors, refineries, and infrastructure, what else is left?
Gove example of a horrible person who suddenly changed and started preaching to people to be good and loving, based on nothing

lawani:
The US could have nuked the USSR before the USSR acquired nukes but they didn't and now they will not nuke any country or is it now that many countries have nukes that they will use nukes in a war they initiated? President Trump has announced that there will not be the use of nukes and it is nothing to do with Christianity but to do with maintaining balance and peace on Earth.
People changing from their evil ways have existed since the beginning of time and it is not something introduced by religion. The only thing introduced to Earth by religion is aggression over God and nothing else

Who said anything about nukes?? He'd destroy Iran with conventional bombs as he previously threatened - and the Pope and other religious leaders strongly condemned the statement.
An armed robber won't suddenly stop being an armed robber. The internet is full of testimonies of people who changed their ways after they found religion

omoowhe:
Good question bro, by the way there's Anarchy already and it's been on for the past 60 odd years!! What difference does mk now

Maybe there's a deeper explanation. I'm awaiting OP response

GodisStriking this is your new moniker

Ok, but doesn't God already know. I'm just curious

lawani:
In the pre Christian world, they fought only over territory but in the Christian world, they now fight over faith in addition to territory. We don't need more reasons to fight wars and even wars over territory are no longer common as it used to be while war over God continues

There is now Christian and Moslem morality even in wars. What do you think prevents Trump from bombing Iran to stone age? In the old days he'd have done that long ago. Also, an armed robber could have been converted on his way to rob you without you ever being aware of it - that religion just saved you

shogotermies:
I feel this is a coordinated attack against this SEYI MAKINDE guy. All this began ever since he declared his intention for the presidency.

Just bad how Nigerians are suffering Nigerians just to tarnish the image of a particular person

Be serious for once. Any Yoruba guy from PDP who declares for president is a joker. Makinde declaring for president means less than nothing, a total, complete joke!

lawani:
Anything that has been established to cause wars shouldn't be allowed in public. It should not even be encouraged in private

I humbly took your assumption to Google. See the answer below.

We know at least no one takes defeated people as slaves anymore or as sex slaves. There were also nothing like war crimes

lawani:
Christianity and Islam trying to convert the whole world do not work better than traditional spiritualities that maintain their own lane and let others breathe! People who say God is a maniac burning idolators and unbelievers in hell are not the right guys. Tell me one thing they added to human civilization other than new reasons to fight wars and hate people? There is nothing they added more than negatives is jihads and crusades

That's exactly why some people stayed with traditional religions - they found it more beneficial to them! Others did not abd stayed Christians or Muslims. The richest man in the world is agnostic/atheist who brags he has never prayed in his life. Then there are other billionares who attribute their success entirely to their faith and prayers. Will you tell them to abandon it because it causes wars (according to you)?

lawani:
These bible books had been lying around for centuries before they were compiled into one volume. So at what point did they become the word of God when even the authors can not be clearly identified?

Then people are converted to religion by force, by intimidation, by indoctrination and by band wagon effect. Not by reason

We pretend to believe in God yet we take God out of the equation of things. We have to believe that what God originally intended is what finally made it's way down to us despite all the tortuous routes.

People can be converted to religion by force, by intimidation, by indoctrination and by band wagon effect, BUT those things can't keep them converted. What keeps them converted is that it WORKED better than what they had before. And they've become convinced in their hearts of the authenticity and beneficiality of what they converted into (compared to what they had before)

If only they had let the Igbos go, non of this will be arising. And if Awo had also pulled Yorubas out, there'd be no talk of Fulani herdsmen, bandits or kidnappers in the West right now. That teacher would still be alive. If only...

Theawakensoul:
Truth should survive investigation.
Only control fears questions.


I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS.
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING.

Theawakensoul:
And truth should never fear investigation.

If God is truth,
then historical questions should not threaten Him.


I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL TAS
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING

The Awaken Soul, you're actually wrong. No one is afraid of or threatened by "truth" or investigations, but things ought have a purpose. What's the purpose of this "truth" (you can't really find absolute truth)? Faith and belief are very valuable assets with real life benefits. They are NOT strengthened by constant questioning and investigations and searchings for "truth"!

lawani:
The bible is not just one book but a collection of books written over thousands of years with most of the authours' identity unknown.

The old testament isn't written in the language of the characters it talks about. It was written thousands of years after their languages went extinct and there are no accounts in any other languages apart from those relatively new languages. Actually not very strange because in a thousand years time, all Yoruba history written may be in English alone

When being compiled, some books were removed because the compilers do not like the contents. The Catholic bible, the Ethiopian bible and probably some other Bibles have some books that do not exist in the European bible

The bible is full of contradictions. Just type contradictions in the bible inside google

Therefore read the Bible as it will give you insights into many things but never be so naive as to think it is the word of God because it was written by mere men and it is full of errors too

But have you ever considered that the end product we have today is how God always intended it to be - that these are the true words of God? It is like, say, you give someone a letter to deliver, but you know they'll rewrite it b4 they deliver it. So you write it in such a way that after their rewrite the final product will be exactly the letter you wanted them to deliver!

lawani:
That doesn't mean a thing. Are people's idols not working for them?

It means everything. If the idols were working why did they convert to Christianity?? Example, you can tell someone the Lord’s name is not really Jesus but Yeshua, that Jesus was a made-up name. But they KNOW every time they invoke the name Jesus, demons flee from them, peace, power, courage, arise. THAT is what's important!
You can tell someone Biblical words were changed and are not the original words, but they KNOW every time they invoke those particular words things shift, powers arise, they feel unbelievable peace and total fearlessness!

Theawakensoul:
🌿 WEEKLY SERIES — DAY 5

THE BIBLE HAS BEEN CHANGED, TRANSLATED, AND EDITED FOR CENTURIES… SO WHAT ARE PEOPLE REALLY READING TODAY?

I have a question for you and I want an honest answer:
Despite all that, it is working for people. What do you have to say about that?

Card, maybe. But he’s all out of aces

Kennitrust:
Good day my follow Nairalanders.

Everyday, life opens a new chapter of life to us. My own chapter had been opened and and it read... "it time to get married

Karachikaaaa!

zopaks:
These figures can't be real..

11000 from where ?

11000 From where? See below

badoh:
I feel like crying seeing how these innocent people are maltreated. Even if we assume that our government(state and federal) have failed and need to be voted out, why is the US not helping with intelligence here. How come the US cannot smoke out the bandits terrorising Nigeria and save our people from the hands of these MONSTERS.

You have to first give US permission to do that - which feels like admitting failure and handing over your sovereignty.
US will solve it in one week by arming the citizens like they have in US - which will open it's own kettle of worms!

DrAda:
I can't see any screenshot

It is above. But here it is again below

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of humbly asking for help he is pretending yet contradicting himself but at the same time mentioned my name as if i must agree with him.🙂

You totally lost. Humbly collect your L and step.
But at least you learnt something. I'm sure you'd no longer feel holier than anyone because they have images!

Truthseeker10:
You are clearly mischievous....where did I tell you that Hades and hell are the same? You've told us here with your own evidence that they are not the same. So why are you contradicting yourself by telling us here again that Jesus reffered to "Hell" in Luke 16:23, 24 when he clearly reffered to "Hades" as evident in the screenshot below.

The screenshot below has revealed that you are an inconsistent and fraudulent teacher and your next response will deserve a block from me.

Genius you are, haven't you yet deduced that your quarrel is with the translators. If they used hades in Luke they made a mistake (by our modern day usage), it should be hell. By our ENGLISH usage of TODAY what is described there is hell NOT hades!

MaxInDHouse:
I don block am already if he feels like chatting let him find his own brothers if there is any!🙂

Which kind block when I can still quote u.
Someone is lying

DrAda:
It's shocking really

Sorry to say but some of this forum's mods are #@$?%&. What u think of the screenshot above?

Truthseeker10:
So why is your Pictorial evidence on this platform contradicting your teaching by saying that Jesus reffered to Hell in Luke 16:23, 24?

Because the maker of the pictorial and the translator of Luke 16 don't determine our language usage of today!
I hope u r not totaly dense, genius.
LANGUAGE IS BY USAGE!! A word means what vast majority of people take it to mean! In our Enflish Language usage of today Hell and Hades are not the same. See it below again then run along! Geez!

Truthseeker10:
This guy is an unserious fellow. He claims that Hell is not synonymous to Hades because his own NiV uses Hades instead of Hell in Revelation 20:14. The funny thing is that he has a picture on this thread that shows that Jesus was reffering to Hell in Luke 16:23, 24 while his own NiV uses Hades🤣. I have been asking him to now explain why his picture is showing Hell and why his own NiV is showing Hades if Hades and Hell are not synonymous. He is just beating around the bush since morning.🤣

We are talking of meaning of words as we generally use them today and you're stuck on words used in a pictogram or used by a Bible translator!
And what's your point anyway? That there is no hell as the JW say or what?

MaxInDHouse:
When someone specifically mention the name of another person who isn't engaging in a discussion:
Know that he has learned a lot from the person in question he just doesn't want to admit it!🙂

Quite the opposite. You KNOW you've learnt a lot from yours truly. You still haven't told us what an eternal Lake of fire where souls are tormented for ever and ever is called as staated below

Of course. I mean, she went to SECONDARY SCHOOL in Nigeria!

Sooooooooooooooo cute!

So is this a good or bad thing?

MaziObinnaokija:
THANK YOU PRESIDENT TINUBU.
THANK YOU PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP

And God bless God's Own Country!
(and also bless our God-forsaken Nigeria!)