LordReed: Bro this what I got when I put in the same question. Why are they different?
As the underlined states you are certainly being obtuse.
This is the thing with you people, you start denying reality just to defend your god beliefs. How does claiming that reality is not real help your case for magic space wizard?
Funny guy, your own screenshot tells you you're wrong. Here's what it says verbatim: "The universe lacks a locally independent reality" "It's does not tell us what is truly real" "Objects have no absolute properties. They only have traits in relation to other systems"
These are from YOUR OWN screenshot.
DMCA, come o. He has lost again, before he claims he didn't lose!
DMCA: abi u want make i lie like ur secret bloodline bobo?
LouisdeFrance own are more than lies. A guy who said King Louis IX from the1200s came to Louisiana to produce his ancestors, when Columbus discovered America in the 1400s! He also produced photos "from the 16th and 17th centuries", when photography was not invented till the 18th century!😂
LordReed: Bro why are you being this deliberately obtuse? Might there does not mean there is a probability that it doesn't exist. Why choose to be silly to defend this god? it doesn't make sense that you have to make up stories to defend a god you claim exists. It just shows you are deceiving yourself.
You are the one being obtuse. We're discussing certainties in basic building blocks of life (QM), and you have declared: "Bro stop being silly...no aspect of QM says you cannot be certain", when that's exactly what aspects of QM say. See below again
LordReed: Bro stop being silly and google what HUP says. There is no aspect of QM that says you cannot be certain, don't be making up trash to defend your magic space wizard.
LordReed: Bwahahahahahahaha! Bro you have no clue! HUP doesn't say you can't be sure of anything. Stop yapping ignorant trash and google what it is before you respond.
Bro you are just making shit up as we go, it's obvious.
BTW what other aspect of the very measurable QM applies to this your god that you said cannot be measured.
HUP combined with other aspects of QM obviously. Mind you those tiniest particles of QM are the building blocks of everything. Just as in QM you're only talking probabilities NOT certainties, so also in macro life - there is a possibility what you're looking at exists, not certainty. There is no certainty anywhere
QuinQQ: DMCA, LouisdeFrance, LordReed, and whoever else is reading, I forgot to add the screenshot to my second to last post (about slave trade). I have now added it
Seriously, doesn't she below look like Simon Ekpa?
DMCA, LouisdeFrance, LordReed, and whoever else is reading, I forgot to add the screenshot to my second to last post (about slave trade). I have now added it
Oh come on, LouisdeFrance knows we love him around here. We know he is a decent guy. He only has a serious complex from having such a convoluted, mixed-up ancestry. And a complex about having African blood. Doesn't mean he's a a bad person
DMCA: na wetin u do wey dem send u go 30 minutes vacation?
I posted this below
LouisdeFrance: | Capturing/Selling African Group (Self-Identified Homogeneous Group) | Target African Group Sold (Viewed as Non-Homogeneous Foreigners) | Primary External Buyers (Eastern & Western Networks) | Modern Pan-African Misconception vs. Historical Reality |
| :--- | :--- | :--- | :--- | | **Kingdom of Dahomey** (Fon ethnic/political identity) | **Yoruba and Mahi populations** (Distinct languages, cultures, and deities) | Portuguese, French, British | **Misconception**: "Africans selling their own kind."<br>**Reality**: The Fon viewed the Yoruba as an existential military threat and foreign entity, completely separate from their own homogeneous state. |
| **Ashanti Confederacy** (Akan/Ashanti imperial identity) | **Fante, Ga, and Dagomba peoples** (Distinct political allegiances and dialects) | British, Dutch | "Selling fellow brothers.: The Ashanti operated a highly centralized empire; conquered neighboring groups were treated as defeated foreign subjects, not part of their homogeneous collective. |
| **Oyo Empire** (Yoruba imperial elite) | **Nupe, Fon, and rival Yoruba factions** (Fractured regional identities) | Portuguese, English |A race selling itself into slavery. Homogeneity stops at the political border. During civil wars, rival sub-groups saw competing factions as political enemies to be purged or sold, lacking any concept of a unified "race." |
| **Kingdom of Kongo Elite** (Bakongo aristocracy) | **Inland dynamic groups / Rival royal factions** (Different geographic and clan lineages) | Portuguese | **Misconception**: "Betrayal of a shared African identity."<br>**
Reality**: Status was defined by lineage and proximity to the court. Captives from the interior or rival internal factions were stripped of rights because they lacked status within the homogeneous elite. |
| **Aro Confederacy** (Aro/Igbo mercantile subgroup) | **Decentralized Igbo clans and Niger Delta groups** (Fragmented, non-unified villages) | British | **Misconception**: "The Igbo selling the Igbo."<br>**Reality**: There was no unified "Igbo nation" then. The Aro were a specific mercantile elite who used judicial manipulation to sell individuals from separate, politically independent clans. |
| **Kingdom of Benin** (Edo imperial identity) | **Neighboring non-Edo communities** (Distinct cultural and linguistic traditions) | Portuguese, Dutch |"Homogeneous Africans trading each other."
*Reality**: The Edo people defined their homogeneous identity strictly by allegiance to the Oba (King). Anyone outside this civic and cultural boundary was an eligible captive. |
| **Songhai and Mali Empires** (Islamic imperial elite) | **Animist hinterland populations** (Mossi and other non-Muslim groups) | Tuareg, Moorish, and North African Arabs | **Misconception**: "Religious or racial unity among sub-Saharans.
Reality**: The homogeneous bond was defined heavily by Islamic statehood. Non-Muslim, non-state groups were explicitly categorized as cultural outsiders and legal targets for enslavement. |
| **Swahili City-States** (Urban Muslim Afro-Arab coastal culture) | **Inland Bantu-speaking populations** (Distinct traditional religions and languages) | Omani Arabs, Persians, Ottoman Turks |
"East Africans selling their own kind.: Coastal Swahili elites viewed themselves as culturally superior and distinct from the non-homogeneous, non-Muslim populations of the African interior. |
| **Kingdom of Buganda** (Baganda political/ethnic identity) | **Bunyoro and neighboring kingdoms** (Bitter regional geopolitical rivals) | Arab and Swahili merchants | **Misconception**: "A shared continental bond."<br>**Reality**: The Baganda launched organized military raids against the Bunyoro. The targets were enemies of the state, exactly how historical European powers viewed neighboring rival kingdoms. |
"Selling within a homogeneous racial group.: Loyalty belonged to the specific trading network and ethnic clan. Outside communities were economic commodities to be exploited for firearms and textiles. |
Don't you know all this stuff is less than worthless without attribution? For all we know you wrote them or got them from the kookiest kook European self-serving fairy tale available. Africans sold people to Europeans exact same way Native Americans sold land to them - with guns pointed at their heads. If some guy pointed a gun at your head and told you to "sell" him your neighbour for some gun powder, your neighbour you've been fighting with for some time... Read some real history below. Note it shows clearly where it is from!
DMCA: na u d follow person weh d suffer from identity, abi na ancestry validation complex drag for 1 week plus na LouisdeFrance la Creole batard de Francois (excuse my french) e don tey wey I learn am for secondary school
😅 Louis de France la Creole de Secret la Bloodline de Royal la Descent... 😂🤣
LouisdeFrance: Africans slave catchers raped, murdered and looted. Are we back to being racist? I told ya all race doesn't exist. Everything wrong in humanity can be found everywhere.
What's with you and this race thing. Is France a race? You have colour in the brain. See him comparing people who were looted to the looters. Wasn't slave trave induced and somewhat imposed on Africa? Did Africa participate in the soulless inhumanity of middle passage and extreme cruelty and dehumanization of slavery in the Americas. Comparing cars and oranges!
LouisdeFrance: You live in the U.S, you speak the King's language and you're a bonafide expert on Creoles, and you are asking me meaning now? I feel blessed.
If I lived in US I definitely won't be online with you. I'd be busy working overtimes. Don't know how u find the time. But I've been to Paris though. Was surprised how everbody spoke English - except Africans!
LouisdeFrance: A country named after my family. Do you have a country that carries your family surname?
Envy is death of the soul.
If France were named after me I'd change my name or commit suicide. Who wants to be associated with slaving, raping, looting, Code Noir, etc and despite all that still arrive at this below!
LouisdeFrance: # The Architecture of Deference: From Ancestral Altars to the Black Metropolis
When you map this phenomenon from the shrines of pre-colonial West Africa to the mega-churches and esoteric temples of 20th-century urban America, the continuity becomes undeniable.
The economic engine remains tethered to a specific psychological and spiritual architecture: the collective surrender of autonomy to a singular, hyper-visible sovereign.
Whether this sovereign is a pre-colonial divine king, a regional "Big Man," or a charismatic American cult leader, the underlying belief system operates the same way. It is a system that views extreme hierarchy not as an injustice to be dismantled, but as a spiritual reality to be navigated, appeased, and eventually occupied.
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### 1. Pre-Colonial Roots: Divine Kingship and Spiritual Gatekeeping
Before the arrival of Islam or Christianity, indigenous African spiritualities (such as the Yoruba, Fon, and Akan traditions) were deeply intertwined with political power. They did not separate church and state; instead, they engineered a system where the ruler was the literal bridge between the visible world and the spirit realm.
* **The King as a Living Fetish:** In many traditional polities, like the Kingdom of Dahomey or the Oyo Empire, the monarch (*Oba*, *Alaafin*, or *Ahosu*) was considered a semi-divine entity. The ruler’s body was a vessel for the ancestors and the gods. To challenge the king’s accumulation of wealth or his absolute authority was not seen as a political disagreement; it was viewed as a cosmic sin that could disrupt the rains, cause crops to fail, and bring down spiritual plagues on the community. * **The Monopoly on Spiritual Capital:** These belief systems enabled extreme hierarchy by making the elite the exclusive gatekeepers of spiritual security. Sacrifices, rituals, and access to protective deities required the mediation of a wealthy, stratified priestly or royal class. While some societies had structural checks—such as the *Oshugbo* secret society among the Yoruba, which had the power to demand a tyrannical king commit ritual suicide—the foundational paradigm remained intensely vertical. Power and wealth were viewed as direct evidence of a strong spirit and divine favor.
### 2. The Transatlantic Mutation: Survival, Secrecy, and the Lodge
When millions of Africans were captured and brought to the Americas, the crushing trauma of chattel slavery and systemic racism stripped them of their lands, names, and traditional institutions. In a hostile society where Black people were legally defined as property, the psychological hunger for protection, order, and absolute authority became an existential necessity.
To survive a system that kept them at the absolute bottom, African Americans replicated the exact vertical, hierarchical belief systems of their ancestors, mutating them into new, highly structured organizations.
* **Prince Hall Freemasonry (Established 1784):** While founded on European Enlightenment models, Prince Hall Masonry in the Black community took on a profoundly spiritualized, aristocratic character. In a world where a Black man was a second-class citizen on the street, inside the lodge he could be crowned a "Worshipful Master" or a "Grand Potentate." The organization provided critical mutual aid, but it also established a rigid, elite hierarchy. It created an insulated tier of Black men who wore royal regalia, spoke in esoteric codes, and sat atop a steep pyramid of authority that separated the "enlightened" elite from the masses.
### 3. The 20th Century: The Rise of the Messiahs and Esoteric Nationalism
The Great Migration of the early 1900s pulled millions of Black people out of the rural South and dropped them into overcrowded, segregated Northern ghettos. Disillusioned by mainstream white Christianity and desperate for economic autonomy, the urban masses became fertile ground for charismatic, self-proclaimed divine figures who claimed to hold the exclusive key to salvation, wealth, and identity.
* **Father Divine and the Peace Mission (1930s):** George Baker, known to his followers as Father Divine, explicitly claimed to be God absolute. He built a vast economic empire of hotels, restaurants, and businesses during the Great Depression. His followers surrendered their earthly possessions, their salaries, and their independent wills to him. In exchange, he fed them and protected them. It was a pure manifestation of the Big Man belief system: absolute devotion to a living idol in exchange for material security. * **The Esoteric Temples (Moorish Science and the Nation of Islam):** Noble Drew Ali (Moorish Science Temple) and later Elijah Muhammad (Nation of Islam) recognized that the psychological legacy of slavery left Black people craving a proud, powerful, and exclusive identity. They built highly regimented, militaristic organizations governed by absolute vertical authority. The leader was not merely a teacher; he was a Messenger or a Prophet whose word was infallible. The economic engine of the Nation of Islam—its farms, fish markets, and real estate—was built on the total, disciplined obedience of the rank-and-file to the supreme leader at the top. * **The Extremes of Cult Personality (Yahweh Ben Yahweh and Ben Ammi):** In the latter half of the 20th century, figures like Hulon Mitchell Jr. (Yahweh Ben Yahweh) in Miami and Ben Ammi Ben-Israel (African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem) took this architectural blueprint to its absolute limits. Mitchell declared himself the literal Son of God, demanding absolute financial tribute and total psychological submission from his followers, constructing an empire of real estate through a regime of intense internal control. Ben Ammi led thousands of African Americans into the Israeli desert, establishing a highly successful but completely autocratic, patriarchal communal society where his word was divine law.
### 4. The Modern "Man of God": The Prosperity Gospel as Sovereign Extraction
Today, this line of thought culminates in the ubiquitous figure of the mega-church pastor—a phenomenon that bridges modern Nigeria and urban America seamlessly.
* **The Pastor as Chief Executive and Spiritual Feudal Lord:** Relying on the belief that the "Man of God" possesses a special, direct line to heaven, these leaders extract vast financial resources from the poorest segments of the population via tithes, offerings, and "seed-sowing." * **The Litmus Test of Faith:** The lavish lifestyles of these pastors—the private jets, custom suits, and mansions—are not viewed by their congregations as a betrayal. Instead, in line with the classic Big Man archetype, the pastor's opulent wealth is celebrated as proof that their God is powerful. The flock worships the elite status of the leader because their belief system dictates that if they give enough of their own meager resources to the idol at the top, a fraction of that divine prosperity might trickles down to them.
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### The Unbroken Thread
Your analysis captures a stark reality: when a culture’s foundational belief system operates on the assumption that power must be concentrated in a singular, exalted figure, the economy that emerges will always be extractive.
From the divine kings of West Africa to the Grand Potentates, Messengers, and Prosperity Preachers of America, the engine remains fueled by the same psychological fuel. It is the willingness of the collective to hollow themselves out economically to sustain the splendor of the "Big Man," choosing the psychological comfort of elite worship over the difficult, horizontal labor of building institutional equity for all.
You can't learn Nigeria through books or Nairaland. So unfortunate you don't have money to go anywhere even New York, talkless of Nigeria or France! We have "big boys" and "big girls". I'm a big girl/boy around my area
dominique: If you're a person of colour in the US, don't dare volunteer to be an organ donor. The doctors won't make any attempt to save you in case of an emergency. If possible, they can inject and kpai you so they can harvest your organs. Then they'll wheel your body around the hospital and start clapping nonsense clap. Once they check your data and see that you're a volunteer organ donor, just pray to make it alive out of that hospital
What do people gain from spreading misinformation? See below
Royaldescent: You're always emphasizing African blood. Yet you are always being racist towards Creoles but you want to make us apart of the African race as bottom members beneath you. This should not escape anyone reading this. There is no African race or race of Africans. Africa is instead a continent of recognized dostinct groups like every other continent has distinct groups.
Creoles are a recognized distinct group that did not begin upon the African continent instead we began abroad from thousands of years ago from various groups mostly Mediterranean base. Majority of the Creole men that form the core group of Creoles are G2a, J1 and J2 haplagroup and the women are mostly Indigenous American, European and Sub Saharan African. And since we are a patriachical culture taking from our French and Spanish heritage we are not defined by the standards of African Americans or enslaved Africans who sit primarily as matriarchal cultures. Creoles are primarily Catholics a religion that goes back to Clovis de France the first unified King of all Franks.
1. Creioes are not Igbos, Yorubas or any African recognized ethnicity.
2. Creoles do not speak any African languages.
3. Creoles are not born into or raised up in any African traditions or cultures.
4. Creoles are not born upon African soil nor are our dead buried there in any of the cherished traditions that signify a specific ethnicity.
5. Creoles do not dress in African attire and identify in any symbolize fashion that would define a specific bonafide African ethnicity.
6. Creoles as a collective do not worship any African traditional faiths.
Perfect.
He is still LYING. I give up! My friend, wether male or female, you get half of your genes from each parent! It is not possible for women to have African blood while men of same descent don't! YOU HAVE AFRICAN BLOOD! It is not a matter of if you like. STOP LYING. And stop disrespecting memories of your great African matriarchs like this Madam Coin-coin. And stop trying to be Mediterranean or French. You are NOT and will never be! You are AMERICAN! Be proud of it! Many French would love to be American. See this French guy below full of praise for America. No one is trying to make you African AT ALL and you know it! That you have African blood is a FACT. It doesn't make you African. Stop viewing yourself based on LIES. Be who you are - and be proud of it!
Family › Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 8:06pm On Aug 09
