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Chairperson of the portfolio committee on police, Ian Cameron, says it is outrageous that Parliament’s cleaners will soon earn more than police officers.

Earlier this week, the South African Parliament confirmed that some of the lowest-paid workers, including cleaners and those in the catering services, will receive a 100% salary hike over three years. By 2026, their salary will increase from the current R170 000 (N15,6 million) per annum to R350 000 (N32 million).

National Education, Health and Allied Workers (Nehawu) chairperson Sthembiso Tembe told SABC that the decision is a victory for workers.

Tembe said it’s a victory for the union to ensure they improve workers’ employment conditions.

“So, we are happy about the decision. However, we also understand that as much as we would have wanted this decision to be implemented immediately without waiting for 2026, we understand that the institution is facing serious financial constraints. Hence, we are going to wait, and we have accepted the progressive implementation of this decision,” he said.

Following Parliament’s confirmation, Democratic Alliance (DA) member of Parliament and chairperson of the portfolio committee on police Ian Cameron questioned the decision.

“No offence to the cleaning staff, but surely we need to look after our cops. Imagine being a sergeant for over 10 years (some much longer) despite excellent performance. You witnessed promotions of politically connected people over the years, and now you hear this news. These are the changes we are fighting for. We must speak on behalf of the cops who don’t get a fair opportunity to do so,” he posted on X.

According to the South African Police Service (SAPS) annual report for the 2022-2023 financial year, 179 502 members earn an average salary of R37 500 (N3,4 million) per month.

To cut a long story short... these miners are resisting coming up to the surface because they know the cops are waiting for them and they'll either be arrested or deported. The cops have been patient for weeks nows since Oct 18.

The illegal miners Underground come from Lesotho, Zimbabwe and Mozambique. They're usually heavily armed and terrorize host communities. Yet they're reluctant to surface even after bern trapped for weeks underground.

Most South Africans want them dealt with decisively as they're a serious security risk to the neighbouring communities and a law unto themselves.

South Africa's government says it is not willing to help around 4,000 illegal miners, who are believed to be inside an abandoned mine situated in the North West province.

Minister in the Presidency Khumbudzo Ntshavheni told a media briefing on Wednesday that the government would not be sending help to the illegal miners, known locally as "zama zamas", because they are involved in a criminal act.

'We are going to smoke them out - government minister


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"We are not sending help to criminals. We are going to smoke them out. They will come out. Criminals are not to be helped; criminals are to be prosecuted. We didn't send them there," Ntshavheni said.

South African publication Daily Maverick cited mining security analysts as doubting the number of "zama zamas" underground, saying as many as 2,000 was more "plausible."

The miners are in a shaft in Stilfontein, a mining town located around 155 kilometers southwest of Johannesburg.

They are believed to be running low on food and water after authorities throttled their supply lines with the intention of forcing them up to the surface.

Over the past few weeks more than 1,000 have resurfaced and have been arrested by police as part of their "Vala Umgodi," — or "Close the Hole" operation.

South Africa's Ministry of Police and the Ministry of Defense planned to visit the North West province to meet with local authorities to look at operations around the Stilfontein mine and assess "challenges and work out appropriate responses."

"SAPS (The South African Police Service) remains resolute in its commitment to uphold law and order and urges all remaining illegal miners to adhere to police calls to resurface," the South African Police Ministry said in a statement.

South Africa had once been the world's largest producer of gold but that has been on the decline over the past few decades. A number of former mining operations now are abandoned and have fallen into disrepair.

Thousands of illicit miners pick through these shuttered mines in search of gold and other minerals in a practice considered extremely dangerous due to the state of the mines.

Last year in June, at least 31 people died in a closed mine in the Free State province after a methane blast.

Many come from neighboring countries among them, Mozambique and Zimbabwe and Lesotho.

They often work in dangerous conditions but many of the miners themselves are considered to be dangerous by South African authorities.

There have been numerous instances in which illegal miners have been suspected of being involved in violent crimes, including murders, robberies and rapes.

There are also turf wars involving heavily armed "zama zamas" fighting off rival outfits and who often take on local authorities themselves.

Signboard the whites left 20 years ago.

legitnow1:
NO U SHIFTED TO CHIDINMA BENEFITTING FROM CRIME.


AS FAR AS I KNOW BEING BORN IS NOT A CRIME.


SO, I ASKED YOU WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME?


LAST TIME I CHECKED, SOUTH AFRICAN JOME AFFAIRS AGREED TO ISSUING THE BABY WITH A SOUTH AFRICAN ID.

Sepukku your brother has gotten lost here with the Chidimma comment, please skool him. Meanwhile, I'll see you dumb & dumber tomorrow. It's midnight in SA, we're ahead of nigeria in everything - even time . Shalom

legitnow1:
ANY NONSENSE YOU HEAR FROM YOUR WHITE MASTERS, YOU WIL CARRY IT LIKE A CHILD LEARNING HOW TO TALK AND KEEP REPEATING IT
OUT OF CONTEST, THINKING YOU ARE MAKING SENSE.


THE WHITE MAN HAVE REALLY DONE ALOT OF DAMAGE TO BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS.


HOW IS CHIDINMA BENEFITING FROM CRIME?


WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME?


SOUTH AFRICA HOME AFFAIRS BECAUSE THEY ADMITTED TO ISSUING THE BABY WITH THE ID.

They're families of the illegal miners. Try to keep up, this is a high level intellectual discussion and you're currently getting an F

Sepukku:
Everytime we make comments you guys always come up with , you have no idea because you know nothing about our country. Always the same nonsense.

You think some of us are just talking from our azz, eh!

You ever see South Africans comment about nigerian issues? No! We comment about activities of nigerians in SA. You on the other hand like to act like you know SA better than South Africans.

Sepukku:
Why are you sending cops to go rescue trapped miners?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVpIwoPjj3c

These are Chidimmas benefitting from crime.

legitnow1:
DUDE, I'M OUT, U PEOPLE ARE MESSING UP BIG TIME.

Okey dokey, stay tuned. Interesting days ahead

legitnow1:
U ARE NOT A COMPETENT COURT OF LAW TO DETERMINE WHO IS A CRIMINAL.


ALSO, BEING A FOREIGNERS DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY GO WITH ILLEGAL AND CRIME.


THESE ARE JUST NARRATIVES YOU USE TO JUSTIFY SOUTH AFRICA WICKEDNESS.

You'd have a point if you knew the devastating history of zama zamas in SA. Since you don't, how bout you take a chill pill or go read up on it and then return with wise arguments? Think you can do that buddy?

legitnow1:
IT IS WRONG, AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS FOR YOUR HEALTH.


SPERM IS A LIVING THING THAT PENETRATES THE OVARIES, NOW WEN YOU POUR IT INTO YOUR ANUS, WHERE WILL IT PENETRATE?


YOUR INTESTINE WALL AND FORM IMFAMMATION THAT POTENTIALLY CAN RESULT IN CANCER.


I LAUGH AT MANY OF YOU BECAUSE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU GOT YOURSELF INTO AND THE SIDE EFFECTS.

Ok, and now for the potential dangers of crime on society? Say maybe, heavily armed illegal foreign miners in South Africa.

Sepukku:
They haven't shot the people who are going in there to try to rescue them.

You mean their friends and families who know where to find them underground down a 100km shaft?

You mean the cops can trust these guys below?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gmHG0MN54I?si=AOYdtgYbZCrt80oB

Sepukku:
They are human beings down there.

Human first, criminal second.

Justice is balance not vengeance.

Remind us again why they're heavily armed?

legitnow1:
IS LGBT RIGHT?

Is crime right? Let's all embrace hate bro, isn't that why Trump is your hero?

legitnow1:
DUDE PLEASE STOP THROWING THAT WORD CRIMINAL AND ILLEGAL LOOSELY, IT IS LIKE YOU PEOPLE JUST LEARNT THOSE WORDS NEW.


SEEMS MANY OF YOU ARE RECENTLY EDUCATED BECAUSE THE WAY YOU TALK, SHOW U DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, U JUST SAY IT BEAUSE U THINK IT MAKES YOU SOUND EDUCATED, MEANWHILE U ARE A DUNCE.


IF THIS WAS IN EUROPE, PRIORITY WOULD BE RESCUE MISSION.

Go tell that to Trump, your hero. You were rejoicing when he won right, because he's anti-lgbt. We learnt hate from him sorry you're on the receiving end.

legitnow1:
DUDE, U NEED SERIOUS PRAYERS AND DELIVRANCE.


EVEN THE LOCALS HAVE MOBILISE TO HELP THOSE TRAPPED WITH ROPES, WHILST YOUR GOVERNMENT LOOK ON.



THERE IS A REASON WHY AFRICA IS AT THE BOTTOM AND WILL REMAIN THERE.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0RnX5EYb3Y&t=127s

Those are people and families benefitting from crime. Have you asked yourself why they're familiar with the terrain underground and where to find the miners down a shaft 100s of kilometers deep? its because they've been down there before. Their only saving grace is because they were not caught in the act.

legitnow1:
DUDE, DO YOU HAVE TO LIE?


Y DO SA TELL ALOT OF LIES?


4500 PEOPLE ARE DOWN THEIR, SOME DECOMPOSING BODIES HAVE BEEN RECOVERED AND YOUR GOVERNMENT IS ACTING LIKE IT IS NOT HUMANS THAT ARE TRAPPED DOWN THERE.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0RnX5EYb3Y&t=127s

What were they doing engaging in a criminal activity? Everyone in SA knows the govt has declared a war against illegal miners and yet they went ahead telling themselves they're smarter than South Africans. Well guess who's laughing now

Sepukku:
All I can see are people who sympathize with other human beings.

I don't see anyone who supports the illegality of their crime by encouraging it.

Lol, now criminals (armed illegal miners) are "fellow human beings". But no, its not crime sympathizing!

Sepukku:
So why are other people going down there to "rescue" them if they can come out by themselves.

You think I am stupid neh!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0RnX5EYb3Y

Answer...

legitnow1:
SINCE OCT 18, U BETTER GO AND CARRY YOUR CORPSES.


THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.

As a sympathizer, warn your brothers too. Same fate awaits them

Sepukku:
No we want you to uphold the rule of law in your execution of it.

You don't feed criminals for eternity waiting on their goodwill to one day get arrested. You need to make the conditions unbearable so they come to the negotiating table. Same way you throw teargas when you ambush them - next you'll say that's not upholding the rule of law Sit down man

Sepukku:
The bolded is what your news outlets are pushing as propaganda.

I don't know any sound minded Nigerian that would support criminal activity in anyone's country.

Now you know who they are - go through this thread from top to bottom, the majority are crime sympathizers.

Sepukku:
So let me get this straight. Illegal heavily armed zama zama thugs go in to mine.
During this illegal mining activity they get stranded or stuck.
They can't come out.
Their relatives run to authorities to assist with rescuing them from a condition that will inevitably kill them

And the government's solution is to wait it out until the miners bring themselves out of the mines the are TRAPPED in or stay in there without food and water which the government can get to them.

Great strategy my fellow Saffers.

Bravo!

I see you're commenting with great conviction on matters you know nothing about.

Zama zamas went into an abandoned (or hijacked mine shaft) to conduct illegal mining despite knowing its prohibited. SA police shut off all escape routes and orders them to surrender. Zama Zamas refuse and opt to stay underground. SA police starve them for weeks in order to force them out. Zama zamas stay put although a 1000 have since surfaced since Oct 18.

legitnow1:
I'M IN MY COUNTRY, YOU ARE THE FOREIGNER HERE.

This is an online space, you don't own it. Secondly, you're the one who entered my thread, so you're the foreigner in my thread. Kapish. And lastly, I'm not the one defending criminality. I asked why you and the majority of people in this thread prone to being crime sympathizers? Is it an indication of who you are as a people?

Sepukku:
Stop spinning the story so we have sympathy for your government.

You think those guys are just staying in there for their comfort, it's obvious they are stuck or a good number of them are in some sort of distress. down there and cannot get out otherwise why are you sending them food and water in the first place.

You want sympathy instead for criminals who knowingly went underground to steal SA mineral wealth? Give me a break.

legitnow1:
ARE SOUTH AFRICANS EVER RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING?


WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO SECURE THOSE MINES? ALIENS OR BIRDS?

Why is it your responsibility as foreigners to see everything in SA as an opportunity for criminal activity? Are you natural born criminals?

Sepukku:
Stop asking me stupid questions. Is this the first attempt your country has made in rescuing people stuck in mines?

There are expert services even outside of your SAPs that can be deployed down there or offer logistics on how to communicate with them down there and at least get the ones who are too weak and starving out of there.

This is what you get when you have illiterate leaders who are overwhelmed with the responsibility of governing a consitutional democractic state in Africa.

Don't worry the DA is going to help you out.

This is not a normal search and rescue mission aided by mine bosses and maps, dumbo. Its an illegal mine operation littered all over with hardened criminals carrying guns. Go be doff somewhere else, but you're deliberately trying to deceive gullible nigerians. Good thing we South Africans are smarter than that.

legitnow1:
FIRST STEP IS TO SEND BREAD AND WATER.



ONCE THEY HAVE EATEN AND DRANK, YOU OPEN NEGOTIATION.



BATCH BY BATCH, ALLOW THEM COME OUT AND THEN SECURE THE AREA, WITH YOUR MILITARY.


U CANNOT ARREST 4000 PEOPLE, IT IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE, WITHOUT KILLING THEM.

You don't bargain from a point of weakness. These are hardened criminals and shouldn't be treated like babies giving them bread, water and dessert. Now that they know we mean business we have an upper hand over them and they'll dance to our tune.

Sepukku:
Look at the stupid comments made by your minister and SAPS then you will understand the madness.

A criminal that stole bread from a spaza shop should not be starved if he is stuck in a small hole because you feel like punishing him .

Justice is balance and not vengeance.

I asked you a simple question - who do you expect to go down a 100km shaft they're not familiar with to go confront 1000s of heavily armed criminals underground familiar with the terrain?

franvincoop:
I just dey laugh you.
The kind wotowoto beating wey Africans don reserve for South African fans for AFCON go pass dat one wey Israelis collect for Amsterdam, make una keep increasing the list of countries wey go join the coalition.
For that list, na Nigeria and Ivory Coast be captain and vice captain.
I just dey laugh you, go inform your fellow citizens, e b things.

Good news we SA don't have to travel out of SA to inflict wotowoto beating on Nigerians. Bring it on,and tell Air Peace to rev their engines

Sepukku:
They are you brothers stop lying. Most of them are lesotho boys.

We do not sympathize with criminals. We sympathize with human beings in general and African people in particular.

Bring them out from there and then you can do whatever you want with them.

Wicked people!

Who's gonna go down shaft 100kms long that they're not familiar with searching for thousands of armed criminals? Are you mad? We should compel them to come out. If they refuse we leave them to die there, we'll have 4000 less criminals.

legitnow1:
RIGHT NOW, FORGET THAT WORD ILLEGAL, BECAUSE ONLY A COMPETENT COURT OF LAW CAN DETERMINE IT.


WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN LIFE AND THE MINERS RIGHT TO LIFE.

See the chaos your migrant cousins are causing. It won't move you because you people sympathize with criminals - this thread is evidence of that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gmHG0MN54I?si=QnfI8Dlb5RU0k3CQ