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'Don’t mind our people. Most of them only see the value in foreign imported products such as the bible but if today their converters were to largely and openly adopt their former spirituality I bet they would eventually become converts again.'

HAHA! that is hilarious!

Emöfine & Ptolomeus Thank you for the chat friends!

[quote author=emöfine link=topic=871907.msg10221943#msg10221943 date=1329556455]Thus I guess one can conclude that it was not only the Africans that were bought and sold as mere products; their gods suffered a similar fate.[/quote]In many cases yes the systems have been bought and sold as mere products but the forces behind the systems can only be summoned for purpose, they can never be bought or sold. After I had started the path in america I became increasingly upset at some of the various houses I went through, it was all about 'money and ego' I came to see. There were white 'converters' in some who took the craft more serious than their black counterparts, behind closed doors I witnessed this, they had no problem following the calendar and led some of the best rituals! Whites recognize the value we both should definitely agree on that whether it's capitalistic, spiritual or otherwise.

[quote author=emöfine link=topic=871907.msg10221943#msg10221943 date=1329556455]Still a lot of knowledge is protected and hidden by the custodians - that's even one of the reason why I despair and frown when whoever quickly dismisses native beliefs as "primitive" and round them all up to be "witchcraft" because I wonder to myself, how much does such a person truly know to summarize them as such.[/quote]The person who summarizes them as primitive is actually correct our systems were the first of their kind and didn't derive from anything but the Gods themselves! The trouble is that many from the outside don't have a clear picture of what really transpires inside the systems many are even under the impression of the tradtional path being polytheistic, failing to realize the role of the forces within our galaxy playing to that of the 'supreme' force. If such people began to look at what they considered 'witchcraft' through more of a scientifical lense instead of the status quo religious dogma it would better their understanding of the philosophy behind the native beliefs. The base of much confusion I think lies where many see fit to have a keen grasp on the manipulation of force while prematurely disregarding other aspects, ancient Khamit it took long years to truly master this stuff, like any other science in that if you aren't a devoted practitioner of the field you'll have limited understanding of it. I would ask those same people 'how do aircraft fly' and if not put into exact terminology I likewise would dismiss it as witchcraft!


[quote author=emöfine link=topic=871907.msg10221943#msg10221943 date=1329556455]Sorry, but what's toochy? [/quote]The rear end.

I think those 'converters' see the treasure in what religious Afrakans today see as devilish because they know the real power behind our Deities. The infiltrators have definitely pulled some job on us they have told us in that which we practice the very source of OUR power is evil and uncivilized all the while helping themselves to a blessing behind closed doors. This is why much of the powerful stuff remains far underground another part to that is many initiated into the lower phases of the systems are not always interested in what will be most beneficial to the Afrakan struggle, you have initiates in these systems not only divining for the outside but sharing the little science they have come to master with any devotee waving a buck.

That is a problem we could solve ourselves by better supporting OUR elders financially, if the financial and social support was there a lot of the rut would be regulated across the board and some would even see their powers being stripped the elders would make sure of it.

Lastly we can never think to blame the Gods for the deterioration of AFRAKA there were many oracles forewarning of what was to come AND how to prepare before the first carrack had been put together! If the chief has become bigger than himself, and will not take heed to the messages delivered by the preists it breaks the balance needed between the two realms and opens up an immense vortex for human error, it was not the Deities who broke divine order but rather those who were in charge of the land during those periods. Maybe a theory but a very prominent theory among the Afrakan esoteric community. There's an old saying that a hard head makes a soft toochy and from what I see we're still getting our toochys smacked across the globe because of our hard heads!

Good mercy people it feels like inglewood in '92 before the gang truce up in here!

Look, there are many African Americans who for Africa is nothing more than a distant memory and a place that 'jesus' saw fit to remove their righteous forefathers from. If those group of African Americans don't want to be associated with Africa fine it's their loss and they are free to make that choice, why bother getting yourself upset over someone's else loss doesn't make any sense  ? On the other hand there are quite a few African Americans who enjoy being recognized by their place of heritage, makes little sense to categorize an entire people based off the choices of a few others. (unless you're just trolling like most agents do on black sites) Personally, I am still waiting for a knock on the door or a phone call from the BBC I'd be more than happy to express to them my identity as an AA. AFRAKAN in Amerikkka.

Ptolomeus:
Dear friend:
The figures indicate that you are real, and express the magnitude of that terrible genocide. I insist that considering the population of Africa in this period was the biggest genocide in history.
Deserves a chapter of the form of extermination , We're not talking about a war, but helpless people chained in the hold of a slave ship , For the value of these lives was less than that of an animal.
Entire villages were razed disappearing culture, traditions and beliefs.
I pay tribute here to the suffering from those who were victims of these murderers, as well as those who survived, and across the Atlantic, despite the chains, managed to keep alive their traditions, which still continues today
Please accept my warm greetings!

Always friend!

Ptolomeus:
It is outrageous the little diffusion had these savage acts, the historical silence of these massacres ,
One issue really painful , My respectful greeting

It is very painful. The european and arab slave voyages did an enormous scale of damage to Africa.

Most scholars estimate the number of slaves who survived the middle passage between 1441 to 1888 to be in the range of 15-17 million and the number of slave deaths related to the middle passage to be between 50-100 million. However both being estimates the numbers could very well be more. It's very painful and frustrating, going back and researching the revolts across the atlantic always gets my mood back on the up and up. What happened on the Marlborough ship in 1752 of William Lougher just tickels me to death!

Rossikk:
Yaounde, Cameroun

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Yaounde has the idea.

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I did not think Joseph Kabila was worth lying for the man has proven to be incompetent, ten years is enough for even a donkey to get something going in the DRC.

That's a good question beaf since we know Meles to be a renowned US puppet, Kikwete recently on record stating Bush to be a man of goodwill, seems AI will have the pleasure of bringing him to justice themselves.

This would be one GIGANTIC move to make however I think it's a move that could be accomplished.
Have to be willing to play ball sometimes, if nothing else one of the three should hold his crusty behind hostage $$$ for a couple of nights!

(sighs)

This religious avenue is really becoming one to take!

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-55042.0.html Excellent article by one of Nigeria's very own!


http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/chinweizu-2.html More excellence for the dune coon lovers enjoy!


As we see when we begin to explore history we must explore it objectively in it's entire detail!

cap28:
red jasper it appears you didnt read the article properly - Charles Taylor was recruited by the CIA to infiltrate african liberation movements all over africa, spy on Qadaffi and overthrow Samuel Doe - Qadaffi was unwittingly roped into a plot to get rid of Sankara - a plot hatched by the CIA and implemented by Taylor and Campaore. 

what would Qadaffi gain from killing Sankara?

On the other hand the americans and the french had a very big axe to grind with Sankara because of his plan to nationalise the resources of his country and his refusal to take on IMF/world bank loans.

Even if Qadaffi had foreknowledge of america and france's plan to kill Sankara there was nothing he could have done to stop it - he might have even been their next target if he had tried- after all he had been the target of numerous assassination attempts for ovr 20 years.

Thank you I read the article just fine cap28 and it now appears you have decided to conveniently rope this argument between fact and speculation!

The fact is that regardless if Gaddafi had the foreknowledge of America and France's plan, he "wittingly" conspired with Campaore and Taylor to have Sankara murdered.

What would Gaddaffi gain from killing Sankara? The fact that Sankara could not be bought off by any amount of money is one reason for Gaddaffi to want him dead, afterall Gaddafi's main tactic throughout sub-sahara Africa has been to buy influence through the Libyan oil wealth! Nationalization of the resources by Sankara to build a strong, incorruptible black nation with the capacity to influence it's regional neighbors is another underlying motive I suspect Gaddafi would want him dead.

It's only fair now that I speculate, what would cap28 gain from defending Gaddaffi?

[quote author=I-man link=topic=55042.msg1137302#msg1137302 date=1179923379]The little response this thread has generated is revealing.Had this thread been about Palestine or Iraq,you would have seen people trooping here to argue passionately.

We have failed to recognise the expansionist and racist policies being pusued by various Arab states in Africa.Libya has attacked Chad twice yet many Africans will passionately defend Ghaddafi.The problem is particularly acute amongst the Muslims who can't distinguish between Islamic interests and Arab interests[/quote]

cap28:
please refer to my above post in which i asked Beaf the very same question but up till now have not received any coherent response from him.

It's common knowledge Charles Taylor was a product of the CIA, I came to expose the hand Mr.Pan Africanist Muammar Gaddafi had in the involvment of Thomas Sankara which I did.   

cap28:
And we can also see from the above testimony that Charles TAylor was spying on Qadaffi for the americans  - this is the reason the americans allowed him to train in one of Qadaffi's training camps.

The americans used Taylor and the French used Campaore both were pawns for the europeans and americans and both were used to eliminate Sankara  in addition Taylor was paid to spy on Qadaffi and all other african liberation movements and feed back the information to washington.

can Beaf please explain to me how this makes Qadaffi culpable of Sankara's assassination?

I think it should be obvious to even someone as dim witted as Beaf that Charles Taylor was a creation of the US intelligence services  - this is why the US put a $2m dollar bounty on his head when he was a guest of the nigerian govt in calabar -  he knows too much -this is the reason why he is in the Kangaroo Court aka the hague - yes he is a psychopathic murderer but he is a psychopathic murderer who was moulded, financed, trained and assisted with the help of the US govt and the Libyan govt as soon as he had served his purpose the US promptly financed and armed two other rebel groups to overthrow him. 

HE KNOWS TOO MUCH!!!!

cap28:
The americans used Taylor and the French used Campaore both were pawns for the europeans and americans and both were used to eliminate Sankara

In that perspective you could say Gaddafi was more of a pawn than either Campaore or Taylor he was indirectly and directly used by both the Americans and the French!

cap28:
can Beaf please explain to me how this makes Qadaffi culpable of Sankara's assassination?

MOMO : They all met in Mauritania for a whole day … after a while they were joined by a white man from Paris. The discussions carried on, and then there was another meeting in Libya, where the Sankara problem was discussed some more. What emerged was that if we were to use Burkina Faso as a launching pad, Sankara had to be eliminated. Blaise Compaoré, would become president, and he would help us…

SILVESTRO : And was Gaddafi okay with the plan ?

MOMO : Yes, yes … please remember, this must all remain confidential.

SILVESTRO : Yes, yes…

MOMO : If Gaddafi helped Taylor, and France sent word that they were in support of the coup d’état … better yet, if France provided funds and indicated that they would recognise Compaoré’s government, then all was well. Blaise told Guengere, the current Burkinabe army chief to avail a group of commandos, Taylor provided other troops, and the coup was staged.

cap28:
where is your proof that Qadaffi gave Campaore the green light to assassinate Thomas Sankara ?

ASSASSINATION OF THOMAS SANKARA by Silvestro Montanaro
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5An5I9lr9OQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs_7wtf9B-w&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

General Momo Jiba

MOMO : They all met in Mauritania for a whole day … after a while they were joined by a white man from Paris. The discussions carried on, and then there was another meeting in Libya, where the Sankara problem was discussed some more. What emerged was that if we were to use Burkina Faso as a launching pad, Sankara had to be eliminated. Blaise Compaoré, would become president, and he would help us…

SILVESTRO : And was Gaddafi okay with the plan ?

MOMO : Yes, yes … please remember, this must all remain confidential.

SILVESTRO : Yes, yes…

MOMO : If Gaddafi helped Taylor, and France sent word that they were in support of the coup d’état … better yet, if France provided funds and indicated that they would recognise Compaoré’s government, then all was well. Blaise told Guengere, the current Burkinabe army chief to avail a group of commandos, Taylor provided other troops, and the coup was staged.

http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/58463

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At the very least here we see Gaddafi being involved in the death of one of the most inspiring, promising young leaders Africa has ever seen.

[quote author=sa_lassie link=topic=808385.msg9625540#msg9625540 date=1322158577]By that twisted logic, everyone except the Native Americans should leave America, everyone except the Indians should leave C and S.America.  All except the aboriginals should leave Australia.  It’s 2011.  Get with the times.  There are only 0.60% whites in Africa.  Why are you so scared of us anyway?  And how can you expect whites in the US to change their attitudes about the 12% black population if you can't even get over a small % of whites in Africa?  Have you ever really tried to speak face to face with white people about your grievances?  Probably not.  It would explain why some people on here are wetting themselves with excitement that I am here.  You are too scared to have face to face conversations and prefer to attack people on the internet instead.  I have said that I am trying to get to know and understand Nigerians, but that’s not happening because of those of you who just attack non stop and want to make everyone your enemy.  You are your own worst enemies![/quote]I don't ever think African Americans voluntarily decided to leave Africa my dear, if there is an attitude with the number of blacks in America all the sentiment should be directed within themselves. Fairly quick solution to all of their problems would be to put their Money where their Mouth is, set up a repatriation fund bank and put your Money where your Mouth is at. We've been "talking" to whites about reparations since time unknown! As of matter of fact, we seem to be the only group that has never been compensated for our "grievances" it is estimated 40 acres and a mule today would be equivalent to US 150,000 dollars, if each slave descendant received this amount for repatriation I'm sure they'd take it and bolt from America. It's not that anyone doesn't have the balls to sit down and discuss this with you it's just that time again whites have proved to be divisive, insincere, pathological liars.

The title should read White South Africans Head For Colonial Home.

Freaking german shepards!

grace5:
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  John 14 : 6
   Jesus saith unto him—I, am the way, and the truth, and the life: No one, cometh unto the Father, but through me.

Grace you are full of shyt!

For the same reason burglars prefer unarmed homes and property without adequate security. It's much less of a risk and hassle. Those with ill intentions would always like to deny their prey with equal footing and america has killed so many it's hard to figure out who's really the terrorist.

whitedove:
let me tell you here that your exposure,education and so called civilisation will not be able to  explain anything as far mysticism,juju and Otumorkpo is concerned

Short but profound and right to the point. Telekinesis, shape shifting, telepathy, teleportation are high order crafts, it's NOT something to be understood by most, just as children would have problems grasping the concept of quantum physics. I learned that there was something out there at a tender age, magic is what they call it except there's no trickery involved in the true crafts and there is an explanation for every desired formula through gases and living organisms. Africans hold the key to this technology and it's more to be said on this issue in a more intimate setting.

Crookston XVI would be proud deacon!

Hump sha rump to all! We have to stick together in this tuff profession of ours! One day I hope to expand a mosque to the lower eastern block of B.F. Holiness! That's correct! It comes a time when we have to look ourselves in the mirror and do away with the mayonnaise patties and carpets! There is enough financial backing for all of our private matters! With the likes of Snoop Dogg and company at our doors our cup shall overfloweth! Peace be upon on Him!

grace5:
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1 John 3:8
Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
English Standard Version (ESV)

With this sister Grace you've caused more problems than you could imagine. Jesus is back to asking questions around the neighborhood again, asking any and everyone if we've noticed anything out of the usual and purposely overstaying His welcome! Jesus was not even happy to see His beloved followers last night Jesus was so invested on finding out if we had been violated or more importantly if something would interupt $ervice this Sunday! Jesus is back to asking questions again! Damn it deacon Grace when it's so close to Sunday watch what you post! 

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[quote author=PAGAN  9JA link=topic=309424.msg9287305#msg9287305 date=1317906964]^r u advertising heaven [/quote]YES SHE IS! DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?! IF WALMART CAN ADVERTISE LOW PRICES AND MCDONALDS CAN ADVERTISE RONALD WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ETHICALLY ADVERTISE OUR HEAVEN! LEAVE US ALONE AND RESPECT OUR CUSTOMERS!

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John 14:1-3 Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.