seyibrown:

Rhino3.dm,

Have I answered all your 21 questions in the 5 or so questions you have asked? Please confirm this so I can start posing my questions to you.

Pastor AIO:

What I'll need from you is
1) a specific indication as to what part is nonsense and how it is nonsense.

2) a description of human wisdom, and how it works, in comparison with Godly wisdom and how that works.

3) Is Godly wisdom to be equated with Faith?

4) Is intelligence, such as we are taught in school and by our parents, to be used at all in understanding the bible? For example when I was in school I studied English comprehension where we were given a short text to read and then we were asked to answer certain questions about the text.
Consider this text:

Charlotte gently breathed unto her cup of tea and then left it to the table while she went into the kitchen to do the dishes. After doing the dishes she returned to find her cup of tea a lot cooler and quite ready to drink. She picked up her newspaper and slowly read through the first page intermittently lifting the cup of tea to her lips to take a sip.

Question 1) Where did Charlotte drink her cup of Tea?
ans a) in the kitchen or b) not in the kitchen.

Question 2) Why did Charlotte breathe into her cup of tea?
ans a) to cool it down or b) to give it spiritual power.

Question 3) When did Charlotte drink her tea?

ans a) before doing the dishes or b) after doing the dishes

Please Davidylan can you tell me if the skills one is required to develop in order to answer these questions properly can be used in understanding the bible?

Kay 17:

@dolemite,
The last time, I argued with davidlyan, i got a headache!
Its impossible to reason with him,
Hardly makes coherent arguments,
If he has some sense, he would wake up,

davidylan:

Oh yeah . . . a perfect example of "reason".

davidylan:

The OP made an unverifiable claim then slinks off to a corner to lick his chops. If that is "intelligence" then pls wake me up when pigs fly.

toba:

David point of note the Author himself is a deist and i recently read a post from him describing the beauty and nature of God. What hes trying to prove is known to him cos the NL Atheists themselves cant intelligence exclusively

vescucci:

Trying to deny the relevance of the old testament to Christianity borders on the ridiculous. Let's allow for all the wishful thinking that discredits Paul's authenticity as an apostle and also his students and friends who appear to be among the bible writers. That leaves us with only Matthew's and John's and only a few gospels. In these gospels, they repeatedly refer to the old testament books as confirmation of Jesus as the legitimate fulfiller of the prophecies of the old testament. Jesus himself was well grounded in Jewish practices and only disrespected Sabbath which is not relevant to my argument. He quoted verses from the old testament. Did he forget to tell his disciples to 'scratch that' in a manner of speaking? The point is Yahweh, Moses, Joshua, Solomon and the lot of the characters of the old testament. Did they do all that was said they did? Did Yahweh endorse all their actions? Is Yahweh the same God as Jesus' father? If not, doesn't that make all the old testament characters idol worshippers and confused? And the gospel writers, doesn't that make them some disciples indeed if they believed in these idolators as God's representatives? Some sophisticated Christians have a knack for re-interpreting bible verses into things that the writers themselves have no ideas about. Allegories they say. What is the use of an allegory that is not apparent? All of Jesus' parables are easily discernable. Can God be said to be so vagarious as to go from a terribly jealous God to a sissy who's in love with us all? Sometimes I've heard the OT referred to as specifically for the Jews. Do these Jews have dirt on God that accounts for this special treatment or what? Why are they 'chosen' and 'chosen' for what? I really don't know all if any of the answers but truth is truth and falsehood is falsehood. They do not belong in the same place

Deep Sight:

Well for those who are too lazy to visit links, let me provide the words of Jesus HIMSELF on this matter and you can judge whether or not he claimed to be God:

John 8:40: “, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.”


John 17:3: "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."


Mark 13:32:"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

John 5:19: "Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does”

John 14:28: "You heard me say,'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

John 20:17: "Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them,'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”

Mark 10:18: “Do not call me good, only God is good.”

SO" What did Jesus claim? ? ?