I will prefer the pin code of devil him self(his master). . . Hehehe.

paduskinosa:

Hello fellow Nigerians and friends of Nigerians, here is a chance talk to IBB one on one, you can talk to Him by adding ( Black Berry BB PIN 2291ECBF

^^^An aiki bawa garinsu. . . .meaning would you ever expect a slave that has been sent to his home town on an errand to come back? Nah

Ma am fyn. Thanks for asking out.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=504625.msg6928679#msg6928679

What offence has Rhino commited to warrant deleting his post? ?
My first complain. . . . and possible the last. .

Ironically that same god couldnt save him salf even when he was alive from some rag tag jewish thugs with sticks and knife and was strangulated helplessly after a thorough beaten. . . . . How can he now save these miners when he is long dead.

Ivynwa:

Yeah people, just woke up from a 2 hours sleep, on my way to work now. Updated myself and saw that the seventh miner is about to ascend.
All keep praising the Lord. Alleluiah.
Please, please Daylae and Alhumandis, do me a favour and ignore the "kill joys and sadists" that just can't be happy. Silence is what we have for them in this thread while our joy party is on. Even one of the miners themselves knew that a joy party is on for them and on coming out first knelt down to praise the Lord.

Everybody keep singing---------you are worthy Oh Lord! Angels are singing. You are worthy ----Oh Lord. Everybody shouting-----You are worthy Oh Lord (Ivy sings on and proceeds to workwhile still singing!). If only I can take this laptop to work with me, I will be very happy----maybe I can smuggle it along, let me see what I am going to do.)

Ehmmmmm brother Daylae or Image123 please you guys should keep the guests coming to our joy party company and chat on with them, I will be back in 8 and half hours time. Byeeeeeee people-------Angels are singing, you are worthy Oh Lord, everybody shouting----------

I was told it was inspired by god? ? But my problem is the names of people that were inspired, date and locations of the writters i cant still figure out.

Are you serious?. C'mon tell me this is a joke. Lol
so when we are importing rice and dust bins you didnot open a thread. When criminals like Ibb and Goodluck are the only options of president we are having you were still mute. When idiots like boko haram, Mend and other kidnappers are killing innocent soul in cold blood you were still quiet. When a thief like Hafiz Ringin was appointed the new police IG you remain quiet. When we used 16billion for 50 years anni celebration and jamboree you didn't bother to talk. When the persidents other for 3 brand new private jets you were deaf and dumb.
. . . . . . And the list goes on and on, behold on this one am with Mudley get some medications and get someone to love you.

Ivynwa:

Everybody keep making some noise fuyfgujygfjygjbvjkvncbgdbfcgchvmjbjmbn,nkn!!!
My boys are coming out----the second miner just returned to the surface-------Alleluiah!

^^ never said you did. It was meant for image123.
Btw who is gonna take the credit for rescueing the miner? No offence intended please.

How do you expect him to answer that. What has tithe got to do with prosperity? ? Except for the beneficiary(fraudster) gods of men . . . .

SirJohn:

@Joagbaje
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-524021.96.html

Lies lies lies and again lies. . . God did not visit you, just continue with your medication,

ralphi64:

God recently warned South Africa about TB Joshua and Pastor Chris practices.

Even I myself was also bound by evil spirits after following TB Joshua for 3 years. When I go home in 2006 December, the very same Sunday I received my deliverance in a church.

After having lots of questions in 2008 the Lord Jesus visited me by a vision and told me that TB Joshua and Ps Chris are not His servants. I asked Him How will we know. And He said to me “THEY ARE USING THE POWERS OF PRACTICE” It took me time to figure it out until God began to open my eyes and showed me Ephesians 6:12.

TBJ and Chris, are not the servants of the Lord, and please stay away from them. Following these men is as bad as following Korah and Dathan; you will go to hell with them for supporting what they are doing. Check Numbers 16:31 – 33.

It is only the revelatory teachings that will open the eyes of the people of God.

This is what God told me about those guys;

TBJ and CHRIS are in the rank of the powers found in Ephesians 6:12 of which the first rank is the Principalities (Satan and Fallen angels), then powers (TB Joshua, Chris and others like Kobus Van Rensburg of South Africa spiritual son of TBJ etc.), then rulers of darkness of this age (Satanists and Devil worshipers), and the last is spiritual hosts of wickedness (Black magic, white witchcraft and other basic practices)

Here me once and for all,
The powers spiritual rank (where TBJ and friends sit as princes) is greater than rulers and spiritual hosts by satanic authority and by virtue of being appointed by Satan, and therefore they are able to catch and harass those that are below them, though they serve the same master of evil (Satan).

In most cases when they catch rulers and spiritual hosts, they only promote them to the higher level of satanic practices where they will serve under their demonic ministries (under powers). And by these we will think that a person has been delivered from witchcraft of which is wrong, the truth is a person has been promoted from one satanic level to another.

All people that are using the occult powers and practices must be exposed. What TBJ and PS Chris are doing is unacceptable. They have imparted their practices to many South African people and now us Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers in S.A. we are re-teaching our people and reversing the wrong doctrine imparted to our Country. God is speaking to many prophets around the world concerning those guys and their practices. Even here in South Africa God recently warned the people to stay away from those guys through the prophets that I will not mention their names.

South Africa

. . . . And Kenyans must be bunch of bigots. . . Pazzo!.

Kenyanstar:

Nigerians are just a bunch of Lunatics. Spirituality is everyone right irregardless of what, why, where, when and what they claim as there belief. Be it the devil worship, satanism or free mason, they are all respected in all there beliefs back here in kenya.

. . . . . May anyone lying between Rhino and toba should die by a terrible mysterious car accident before this year runs out. Am waiting for you to take up the challenge and i indulge all NLanders to bear witness today or for ever you remain silent.

toba:

I dont believe u cos of some names u mentioned above

Manmustwack is now toba's friend. Lol
Keep on suspecting. . . When you were busted what did you do. huh? An armed robber always thinks everybody is a thief. . . . .
if you care to know i have virtually read all the readable in this section. . . .i have severally spent more than 12 hours at a go reading previous OP and i dont need to convince anybody cos you can do a forensic screening on my ip. . .

toba:

good question my friend. I suspect something about Rhino's Id

Yes i was not then but with google i know olabowale, viaro, mavenbox, bindex, Ako, Abuzola. . . . . I google the thread and was not funny. I still regret not discovering NL on time. . . I really enjoy reading than writing . . . . I can confidently say i have virtually scan through most of post on this section.

manmustwac:

Well i don't remember Joagbaje complaining about it. Instead he chose to defend himself.

Besides how do you even know sef? Coz i don,t think you were a member of nairaland then were you?

manmustwac:

Well i don't remember Joagbaje complaining about it. Instead he chose to defend himself.

Besides how do you even know sef? Coz i don,t think you were a member of nairaland then were you?

You guys should consider Joagbaje's case. Kai! That was too hard on him.

Joagbaje:

@moderators
Likewise the thread " is joagbaje a crook"

I thought am the only one in that position. i can see it coming apology of apologies. 1,2,3 apology again 1,2,3 aoplogy for what! Enough of this BS apology. . . . C'mon na by force say you must engage lord deepsight? ? Shoe no dey get size. A beg make una go sitdown. . . And stop crying like some bit.c.h arss all the time. Or better still viaro should come in.

Abbiamo sono felice . . . Deepsight bravo!

Jenwitemi:

Deep Sight, the way you are going, you may have to open another apology thread to the christians pretty soon. You are running the risk of hurting their feelings yet again with your arguementations so far in this thread. Good job, though. a

seyibrown:

LOL! Let's do our thing on our thread! I have a very busy schedule over the next two so please allow time if I do not answer on time!

. . . . . No wahala.

@seyibrown
what happen to our thread? ? Either you go back or am with you here. . . . . So that I can be killing 2 birds with 1 stone. I promise not be rude .

Hmm. . . . Still trending. Bravo!
For those that understand arabic . . . .
Rhino ala kulli yommi dalabil ilimi kasiran fil nuratil duniya . . . Haza minni.

The rationality and ability of humans to inquire and understand things justly is in our very nature. am not trying to introduce any argument about free will, which is a known fact. there are laws of nature which i believe God set which are proportional to certain parameters and can be affected by some constraints. remember you said God is perfect and anything less is what?

i need no one to tell me to eat neither do i need any person or book to tell me to urinate cos it is in my very nature to understand things in accordance to laws of nature(God) so, why do i need anyone to tell me that 5 naira is not equal to 20 naira or a suicide bomber is not equal to 419ner. being that no level of sin was mention in your scripture doesnt means that there is none.
hope you understand where am coming from?

seyibrown:

Here is my answer to your question on whether sin is equal (before Jehovah):


You were right in saying that I would talk about intentions. Yes, we all know that people pretend all the time. The Yorubas say ‘Awo fele bo’nu, ko je ki ari ikun asebi’. Basically, you can’t see how much evil is in a man’s heart by his outward covering.

Proverbs 23:7 (Amplified Bible) reads
7For as he thinks in his heart, so is he. As one who reckons, he says to you, eat and drink, yet his heart is not with you [but is grudging the cost].

The inner man is the real man.

Does everyone who took part in the October 1st celebrations really love Nigeria? The same Nigerians who oppress, harass, rob, despoil, murder and keep other Nigerians in a state of perpetual poverty. In all their regalia, you’d think they are the best people on earth. Yes, God looks at the heart. When they take a front seat in Church on Sunday, God sees their hearts. When they leave Church and go back to oppressing the people, God still sees their heart. God also sees the heart of that poor homeless man who has been reduced to scavenging the rubbish heaps for his daily meal and who still strives to be a good Nigerian.

1 Samuel 16:7 (Amplified Bible)
7But the Lord said to Samuel, Look not on his appearance or at the height of his stature, for I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees; for man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.

[b] There is more inside of a man than you can see from the outside.


You would tell your son not to commit armed robbery because he could get killed in the process of robbery; he would be assaulting other people and taking their hard-earned money off them; and he could get arrested, convicted ,  and shot for it! There are other things you would tell your son not to do because you see the bigger picture! God sees the bigger picture, we see some of it. Every commandment God gave is for our own good. Deviation from God’s guidelines will leave you to face the consequences of not walking in the way he instructed. HE SEES THE BIGGER PICTURE. Whether we see it or not, there is consequence for every action we take. It might be immediate or it could take years to catch up but the consequences are waiting here on earth and in the afterlife.


God’s word says that a man will reap whatever he sows! The law of seed and harvest means that he will reap it some hundred-fold or more. Think of a man who plants a seed of corn; when it’s harvest time, he does not reap one grain of corn, he reaps at least one corn cob with at least 200 corn grains on it! When a man sows a seed of armed robbery causing other people pain, he should expect to receive that kind of pain at least one-hundred times.

God says ‘love your neighbour as yourself’. He saw the bigger picture of what would happen when man does not care about the man next to him, when man thinks only of his own pleasure not caring who he hurts in the process of fulfilling his desires. For example, a paedophile who wants (and takes) sexual pleasure for a child who, not caring that the child is too young, not his wife, somebody else’s daughter; that the parents would not approve; and that he is forcing himself on the child or getting the child to cooperate/participate by manipulation (deception, covering up his unlawful/immoral intent). In Matthew, Jesus was clear about people who coerce or manipulate children to engage in wrong conduct .

Matthew 18:6 (Amplified Bible) [/b]
6But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in and [a]acknowledge and cleave to Me to stumble and sin [that is, who entices him or hinders him in right conduct or thought], it would be better (more expedient and profitable or advantageous) for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be sunk in the depth of the sea.

He also says not to oppress the poor, the needy and the vulnerable. They will cry to the just God to give them the justice due to them in their pain and agony.

I believe God will give us justice for every person who has taken advantage of us in our vulnerability and powerlessness. See verse below:

2 Thessalonians 1:4-10 (Amplified Bible)
4And this is a cause of our mentioning you with pride among the churches (assemblies) of God for your steadfastness (your unflinching endurance and patience) and your firm faith in the midst of all the persecutions and crushing distresses and afflictions under which you are holding up.
    5This is positive proof of the just and right judgment of God to the end that you may be deemed deserving of His kingdom [a plain token of His fair verdict which designs that you should be made and counted worthy of the kingdom of God], for the sake of which you are also suffering.
    6[It is a fair decision] since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with distress and affliction those who distress and afflict you,
    7And to [[a]recompense] you who are so distressed and afflicted [by granting you] relief and rest along with us [your fellow sufferers] when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire,
    8To deal out retribution (chastisement and vengeance) upon those who do not know or perceive or become acquainted with God, and [upon those] who ignore and refuse to obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    9Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
    10When He comes to be glorified in His saints [on that day He will be made more glorious in His consecrated people], and [He will] be marveled at and admired [in His glory reflected] in all who have believed [who have adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Him], because our witnessing among you was confidently accepted and believed [and confirmed in your lives].

I also know that God recompenses his children when they suffer from the afflictions of their fellow man.

Isaiah 61:7 (King James Version)
7For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.



[b]You would tell your daughter to be back home at a certain time because you see the bigger picture. You know the possible dangers out there at night. If she disobeys you, hangs out late and gets shot or despoiled, you did not arrange the despoiler or the shooter. You had advised her out of your love for her. You warned her out of your love for her. She would bear the consequences of her disobedience to you and live with the consequences of the ‘evil’ that was done to her by ‘somebody else who had chosen to disobey God by not loving his neighbour’. Unfortunately, as a loving father, you would hurt too. You would be angry with the person who hurt your daughter, you would want them apprehended, tried, convicted and jailed or even executed.

Now, if this person responsible for your daughter’s hurt turn up at your door a month later and starts pleading for forgiveness. They say they realise what they did was bad, and how wicked they had been, would never do it again, would go for counselling, and maybe even promised to go give themselves up to the police. And if they turned out to be the child your ex-girlfriend/ ex-wife took away from you years ago. What would you do?

God tells us not to let the sun go down on our anger. He encourages us to forgive as he forgives us. When we forgive, we let go of any bitterness towards whoever hurt us. We might still be hurting but we instead ask God to recompense us make right what has been put wrong by our fellow man. Love covers a multitude of sins. We forgive that person and the rest is between them and the ultimate Judge. Those who hurt their fellow man have a choice to repent and turn from their evil ways or die in their sin.

Even if you choose to forgive your son, the society might  not (If they knew what he did). Iya Sikira next door will say ‘don’t leave my daughter with him o’! Mama Bose and the rest of the neighbours will gossip behind his back. An outsider might even be angry enough or tempted to bring totally false accusations against him despite the fact that you and your daughter have completely forgiven him and he has truly turned from his bad ways.

That means there is Natural Justice, Societal (Human rationality) Justice and Supernatural/Divine Justice. God is also the father of us all. He offers grace and forgiveness  to his children - all of them, but it's up to the child to accept it.



GOD IS JUST – HE GIVES EVERY MAN THE CHANCE TO TURN FROM THEIR SIN AND NOT DIE IN IT.

Ezekiel 18 (Amplified Bible) [/b]
1THE WORD of the Lord came to me again, saying,
    2What do you mean by using this proverb concerning the land of Israel, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
    3As I live, says the Lord God, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
    4Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine; the soul that sins, it shall die.(A)
    5But if a man is [uncompromisingly] righteous (upright and in right standing with God) and does what is lawful and right,
    6And has not eaten [at the idol shrines] upon the mountains nor lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, has not defiled his neighbor's wife nor come near to a woman in her time of impurity,
    7And has not wronged anyone but has restored to the debtor his pledge, has taken nothing by robbery but has given his bread to the hungry and has covered the unclothed with a garment,
    8Who does not charge interest or percentage of increase on what he lends [in compassion], who withholds his hand from iniquity, who executes true justice between man and man,
    9Who has walked in My statutes and kept My ordinances, to deal justly; [then] he is [truly] righteous; he shall surely live, says the Lord God.(B)
    10If he begets a son who is a robber or a shedder of blood, who does to a brother either of these sins of violence,
    11And leaves undone all of the duties [of a righteous man], and has even eaten [the food set before idols] on the mountains and defiled his neighbor's wife,
    12Has wronged the poor and needy, has taken by robbery, has not restored [to the debtor] his pledge, has lifted up his eyes to the idols, has committed abomination (things hateful and exceedingly vile in the eyes of God),
    13And has charged interest or percentage of increase on what he has loaned [in supposed compassion]; shall he then live? He shall not live! He has done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
    14But if this wicked man begets a son who sees all the sins which his father has committed, and considers and fears [God] and does not do like his father,
    15Who has not eaten [food set before idols] upon the mountains nor has lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, has not defiled his neighbor's wife,
    16Nor wronged anyone, nor has taken anything in pledge, nor has taken by robbery but has given his bread to the hungry and has covered the unclothed with a garment,
    17Who has withdrawn his hand from [oppressing] the poor, who has not received interest or increase [from the needy] but has executed My ordinances and has walked in My statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father; he shall surely live.
    18As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, robbed his brother, and did that which is not good among his people, behold, he shall die for his iniquity and guilt.
    19Yet do you say, Why does not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son has done that which is lawful and right and has kept all My statutes and has done them, he shall surely live.
    20The soul that sins, it [is the one that] shall die. The son shall not bear and be punished for the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear and be punished for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him only, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon the wicked only.
    21But if the wicked man turns from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My statutes and does that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
    22None of his transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; for his righteousness which he has executed [for his moral and spiritual rectitude in every area and relation], he shall live.
    23Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked? says the Lord, and not rather that he should turn from his evil way and return [to his God] and live?
    24But if the righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? None of his righteous deeds which he has done shall be remembered. In his trespass that he has trespassed and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die.
    25Yet you say, The way of the Lord is not fair and just. Hear now, O house of Israel: Is not My way fair and just? Are not your ways unfair and unjust?
    26When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and dies in his sins, for his iniquity that he has done he shall die.
    27Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and does that which is lawful and right, he shall save his life.
    28Because he considers and turns away from all his transgressions which he has committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
    29Yet says the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not fair and just! O house of Israel, are not My ways fair and just? Are not your ways unfair and unjust?
    30Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, says the Lord God. Repent and turn from all your transgressions, lest iniquity be your ruin and so shall they not be a stumbling block to you.(C)
    31Cast away from you all your transgressions by which you have transgressed against Me, and make you a new mind and heart and a new spirit. For why will you die, O house of Israel?(D)
    32For I have no pleasure in the death of him who dies, says the Lord God. Therefore turn (be converted) and live!

There are physical and spiritual consequences for every action we take. That is why it is better to follow God’s instructions and let him take care of the consequences.


Do you know the parable of the prodigal son? See link: (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2015:11-32&version=AMP). He was welcomed back home with so much joy and celebration when he came back home. There is joy in heaven for every sinner that repents. That covers every transgressor, every deviator from God’s laws – liar, murderer, despoiler, thief, fornicator or homosexual.


Psalm 103:8-14 (Amplified Bible)
8The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and plenteous in mercy and loving-kindness.(A)
    9He will not always chide or be contending, neither will He keep His anger forever or hold a grudge.
    10He has not dealt with us after our sins nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
    11For as the heavens are high above the earth, so great are His mercy and loving-kindness toward those who reverently and worshipfully fear Him.
    12As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.
    13As a father loves and pities his children, so the Lord loves and pities those who fear Him [with reverence, worship, and awe].
    14For He knows our frame, He [earnestly] remembers and imprints [on His heart] that we are dust.

[b]God knows us. He knows we are prone to sin and he has made provision to overcome sin. He has made provision to approach the throne of grace in time of need. He has made provision for us to be able to turn away from sin. Sin is unholiness. Without holiness, we will not see God. He has given us the chance to escape the wages of all sin by the blood of Jesus which washes away our sins and makes us white as snow.

We all stem from God. We are all accountable for our actions to the one who has rightly instructed us the path to follow if we ever deviate. We are all related to him and should not choose to alienate ourselves from the Father who loves us, who knows what we don’t know, and wants the best for us.

I will say again that there is Natural Justice, Societal Justice and Supernatural/Divine Justice.

In this natural realm, the law of seed and harvest is engaged when we commit sin (sow a bad seed), in that we reap hundred-fold or more of whatever sin we commit. We cannot also forget the societal aspect of punishment as may be stipulated by the judiciary/ society. We know that society (by human rationality) grades offences (sin/evil) and attaches differing levels of punishment.

Man (in his natural limitations) and Human Society cannot preside over supernatural/divine Judgement as that office belongs to God, therefore, man cannot determine or fathom ‘how’ God will judge those who choose to die in sin, whether they die as a liar, murderer or adulterer; we cannot determine that he should treat liars differently from adulterers or murders. I have found nowhere in his word where he suggests or expressly says that he will classify liars into a ‘sinner league’ separate from the murderers ‘sinner league’. However, he does make it clear in his word that ‘the (ultimate spiritual) wages of sin is death’ and his son Jesus Christ is the only escape route. All sin is therefore equal before God when it comes to Divine judgement [/b]

You are kind of jumping lines or faster. What i think what is important here is that we have to establish the fact or not that the gravity of sin/offence should vary i.e lair is not equal to a murderer . . . Then we can now proceed to what should be the appropriate punishment.

Or are you agreeing with my perspection that sin(s) are/should not be thesame? ?

seyibrown:

Can I assume that 'your concept of God' did not set up our (The Nigerian) judiciary system and that the crimes and punishments were written and decided by men? Or did he set it up?

Where does your belief that 'justice should be equal and proportional to the crime committed come from'? Can you point me to where your 'concept of God'/God speaks/writes/tells you or infers that 'a suicide bomber is not in the same 'sinner league' as a 419er?

I am certain that most judiciary systems will mete out a greater punishment on a suicide bomber (If he didn't die in the process) than they would on a fraudster. Is this where your logic comes from?

As an example, what would you classify as equal and proportional punishment for someone who forces or manipulates an 8 year old into having sex with them? Does your God say how he will treat people who do things like this?

You have stop taking your medications again abi? So if science is run by the devil then he must be wiser than your god to know that the earth is revolving around the sun not otherwise.
. . . He he he.

i care:

DEATH IS THE SOUL SEPERATED FROM THE BODY.DUST TO DUST IS THE BODY DECAYING BUT THE SOUL RETURNS TO GOD IF THE DEAD LEAD A RIGHTEOUS LIFE, IF OTHERWISE THE SOUL GOES DOWN TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH WERE HELL IS. IT IS HOTTER THAN SUN.THAT IS WHERE VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS COME FROM A COMBINATION OF LAVA, FIRE AND BRIME STONE. IT IS GOD'S WAY OF TELLING US ABOUT HELL.SCIENTIST WILL NOT TELL YOU THE TRUTH CAUSE IT IS RUN BY SATAN

THE SOUL CAN NOT DIE BUT CAN BE UNITED TO GOD- ETERNAL LIFE OR GO TO HELL- ETERNAL DEATH.

Bookmarked

. . . How do we come to that? Yet people still cry foul whenever they percieved injustice been meted to them biasly or ortherwise.

So now i ask you again. . . .

How do people come to the conlusion that the bread they are supposed to buy 20 naira and been sold at 50 naira is an injustice or cheating on them?

. . . No matter your depth of reasoning or method of application, justice should be thesame and equal and also proportional to the crime commited and anything less or more CAN NEVER be called justice and rather INJUSTICE. . . . .thus can never be from God or of God because my concept of God is JUST and he ceases to God the day he becomes UNJUST.
. . . . . .tu Capito tutti ?

I believe that justice is a subconcious attribute institute in our very nature as humans.
My concept is that there is a clear line between just and unjust and who set premises has to be devine. Ideally when one says sin is sin metaphorically i dont have problem with that considering the motivation but the consequencies of killing cannot be thesame. . .

No matter what criterion you are using a suicide bomber that kills thousand CAN NEVER be in thesame category with a 419er.

Common take a look a our judiciary system and ask you self. . . . .

Yes with the additional constraint from the other verse i have no say. But your first assertion was open without time frame and i just chip in my 2cent contribution. No time limit was given. Iam not a jew neither am i in the position of defending anybody's tradition.

Am not defending the contractions abound in the bible. . . I have equally figure out many on my own. But your first assertion which i quoted in my first response was wrong. There was no time frame in the first condition i quoted. So GOTO my first response anmake meaning out it.

From the above i think its very wrong to categorize a liar and murderer in thesame group. . . .
Just assume because i lied (of course i do sometimes) and i was convicted for multiple life sentences. . . Even in north korea or District 9 that doesn't make sense at all and i called it unbeatable height of injustice.

i know  you can argue that  everything boils down to intentions. . . Can an intended muderer(not attempted murderer) be a murderer? ?. . . .

This is the first time am totally rejecting your answer my lady, in the past i have struggle to chew some with bitterness. . . Thus bring in another concept or take my next question as follow. . . . . . .


Will God forgive crime that is meted on someone else? ?   
      for instance i lost my money to armed robbery. . . And the arm robbers later seek for forgiveness from God will he forgive them? ?

Yes its kind of very unusual to see that the next sucessor has to wait that long before taking the mantle . . . . In this particular case the
word 'immediately' is found missing. . . . . . . . . .


converting English conditions to mathematical figure requires uptmost carefulness. . . .


For example there was a time in the late 90's when a 2yrs old boy was made a king in edo state and he has to be taking to overseas for 'safe keeping' till when he his fully matured of controlling affairs i.e when he his 20years.

nopuqeater:

Let us use all the tools that we are familiar with about the children of Israel, especially their love for always wanting to have a king. With this, we can clearly deduce that the time between the death of the father and the beginning of the raise of his son, who succeeded him is not even more than immediately. Completely opposite what Rhino.3dm is proposing above. Every time a king dies they will install another in almost immediately. Do you have any 2 successive kings where there was mere 2 years of no one king ruling before the next is installed?


From reading the below, it is very clear that the new king took up his reign, immediately after the death of his father and the raid. It did not take a long time, from the read. One must put into consideration that the Children of israel quickly get disorganized and land themselves into chaos if there is no leader, King ruling and guiding them. Moses went away for 40 days instead of 30, the built a Gold of Yahweh which they call the golden calf for worship. Then imagine what will happen if there is no king for that long a period that Rhino.3dm suggested?

2 Chronicles 22
Ahaziah King of Judah
1 The people of Jerusalem made Ahaziah, Jehoram's youngest son, king in his place, since the raiders, who came with the Arabs into the camp, had killed all the older sons. So Ahaziah son of Jehoram king of Judah began to reign.

42 years old when he began to reign. . . Meaning he did not start reigning immediately.


Simply analogy:

lets assume his father died when he was 10 years. . . Then 32 years later he begins to reign.
The year he started reighning does no depend on his father's age and by extension does not depends on the age at which his father dies.

You can die at 30 and your son which is 2years now can become the king 30 years later i.e at the age of 32. That does not mean is age is greater than yours in totality!
Capito!

vedaxcool:


22:2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri [/size]

How can you explain a sin ? ?

Is there a big, small or medium sin?