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There is no farther truth than that tweet, I knew my cousin is gonna turn gay right from when I saw him as toddler, sometimes the signs don't manifest till they bloom late, some don't even have this feeling till they are married and they find out that they made a mistake in the marriage... We shouldn't force pple to deject themselves because of their sexuality... They need encouragement

They should arrest OBJ already. He has alot to answer for. I dunno 2hy someone like him who has destroyed many personalities through efcc and the rest should be afraid of arrest. Abeg stop disturbing us with OBJ ... You are just one Nigerian out of a million, after all people get arrested daily.

Please this is not about tribes or whatever... This just purely because Ambrode has been well involved in the sports sector and it is good that the president appreciates that.

We should learn to make logical statements and not sentimental ones

Danke!

This is the issue, a typical Nigerian is greedy. I tell people, its not about the government, whether ObJ or GEJ or PMB but the average Nigerian, if we do our part in the small way we can, then that is a challenge to the government.

This poor little girl lost her life due to greed of an idiot, we are all guilty of the little crime we commit, we think it doesn't affect anyone but it causes a chain reaction, from the idiot that smuggles goods, to the one who sales fake drugs, to the lazy doctors and health workers who care not of their patients, to the one who dupes people of their hard earnings, to those who litter the environment and cause blockage to the gutters which results to flood and make people homeless, to the bloggers who report fake news, to the pastor's and imams, to the lazy lecturers who are never willing to improve, to the fraudulent banks, to the fraudulent public workers.. police and customs etc to yahoo boys and ritualist .. every one. We can do better, we just have to do better.

Nigeria will never be better no matter the govt in place. We just have to tell ourselves the truth.

MPESA:
Sure they do but By who and at what locations are they been destroyed Or they are been auctioned secretly.
P.S
i'm not supporting smugglers.

The good ones are auctioned every lastonth of each quarter. Custom also destroy goods week in and out

ncoolsome:
My question is where does all this goods end up in....this edible items can feed the IDP camps, yet they suffer....

Most of this items pose health hazards and they have to be destroyed

GuyWise:
This country is just a stupid joke, somebody will suffer and buy a car of over 60m then another person that didn't work nor suffer will just collect it from you simply because he knows someone at the top.

You my friend is stupid, sometimes we should leave sentiments aside and call a spade a spade. If the owner of that range paid his custom duty, will they seize the car? You guys want Nigeria to be better but when things are done the hard way. . U criticize destructively. You lot and oafs will be d one saying custom is not working. When something good is done. Encourage them. This rice importers are killing local production and empowering the neighboring countries.tell me how Nigeria will improve, we are just to corrupt and care only about ourselves and no one else in the country. And the health hazards involved in storing the grains is another issue. Please use your brain.... Stop making a fool of yourself on a public platform.

It's really very sad... This issue alone has drove kids to their grave, some suicide, some feeling not able to fit and end up joining the wrong groups.. some mental disorder.

Parenting is very complicated, parents have to realize that nothing is black and white. Dont just be a parent but be your Child's best friend and close confidant.
Let your child feel free to confide in you... Because he/she can only tell you the truth if he/she is comfortable with you..never shut your kids up, teach them to ask plenty questions...always ask their opinions about things, allow them to express themselves...be a guide...because truthfully if you fail at this stage of nurturing, you have lost your kid's trust someway somehow...If he/she strays or does something u don't agree with always ask WHY and do your own research before drawing conclusions

Finally be patient with them...be very PATIENT.

pharoah7:
True.. But why do we fail to face the real problem which is our government.. That is the real problem of Nigeria. Mind you if the head is good the body will be good too. We should all channel same problems to our government because they can correct all this. But fail to fail to address the cause of the whole problem. You don't fix problems from the bottom rather from the top.

That theory is wrong. Before they became the government. They were once people. The problem starts from the bottom and the hypocrisy of the Nigerian people. Tell me why Fasgila will work his ass out when he was Governor to keep Lagos clean and the moment he leaves office. Lagosians will turn around and mess up the city. The upbringing of a Nigeria child is messed up, no societal values, the issue here is the society comprising of both the people and the govt. We need a revamp in our attitude and the way we approach one another... From people to govt, it's a bottom top thing cus before you become a president elect. You will first be a normal Nigerian

I dunno what the fuss is about, this is a welcome development. Alcohol and cigarettes especially is expensive in most countries. Did you see the comparative tax with other countries on this goods. We charge way low.
We should be objective for once, this is not about Buhari, this is about strengthening the economy and curbing abuse. Go to Germany, a pack of cigarette is sold 10euros. That is almost 5k in naira. We should be worried about our country not about the president.

And this tax is for foreign brand not local beverage industries. Peace!

Paperwhite:
This ugly trend will never reduce it or be eradicated as long as the ladies will not stop dressing provocatively & "using what they have to get what they want".

You are one big idiot for this thing you just wrote, are you by any means trying to victimise the victim or justifying sexual harassment by excuses of immodest dressing. Don't you know what is called self control. Nonsense!!!
Come to Europe, during the summer, all the ladies wear skimpy stuff, exposing their thighs and all. But not a case of rape. It is not about girls being naked. It's the mindset of some useless men. If you like wear hijab. A harrasser will still prey. QED!

Atiku has a vibrant Twitter account, you can tag him so he sees it and maybe he will buy it from u.

Anijay1212:

If he goes after them now, you guys will still come back here and scream he is going after "vocal "apc members. Nonsense...

So true.

swiz123:
You need no counter arguments dear.

We all claim to be sane because we can all differentiate between right and wrong.

Homosexuality, bestiality, incest etc, religion didn't specifically speak against it; sanity speaks against it.

We shouldn't accept abnormal behavior from people just because we wish not to meddle in their lives; we should rather show them love by helping them realize that they've got a problem. Some of these gays were victims of boarding school. These people weren't naturally inclined to be homosexuals, but were rather cojoled into the act.

With all your education miss, you should be helping them become free from this abnormal sexual orientation; not seeking for ways to help them embrace their skewed sexuality.

If one of your kids takes to bestiality, I hope you help him embrace his nature.

Sanity? You want to use that as a basis of judgement.

Sanity told the whites that black colour is devilish

Sanity also told the Arabs that women should not drive cars

Sanity told the Jews in the old testament to stone their kids if they are disobedient

Sanity told the Jews to inherit their brother's wife once their brother is dead.

SANITY will always remain context specific and relative. Culture evolves darling!!

Nothing we do in this world will be NORMAL to the people who existed 2centuries before, Normality is always relative.

LLAmbassador:
You Are just looking for an excuse to remain in this rerrogressive act. NO GAY IS BORN THAT WAY, I am not an advocate of killing of homosexuals but all they need is help. Some people are 'wired' to very old women. That is they are only sexually attracted to women with wrinkles and sagged breats and when you try to talk to them some of them even starts crying that that is who they are blablabla others are only sexually attractedbto animals (they only feel like having sex with animals.....Are all these things NORMAL? NOOOOOOO. So instead of making stupid excuses go and get the needed help. I have personally helped two people overcome this "spirit" very many have also overcome thesis via deliverance and all... GET HELP!!!!!!

Again asserting I am gay because of an argument I proposed shows the level of reasoning.

U just gave conclusions without the rationale for them. And it's not a spirit. It's part of a being. You have to give me reasons. Arguments founded on truth why you think no one is born gay. Let's start from there

nanakgh:
trying to have an intelligent, coherent and adult discuss here on nl? try reddit or quora.

So true, I made a post, I expect counter and intelligent arguments and all I get some shallow.minded individuals. Most people on nairaland need to grow up. Really they need to. It's just sad really

highqueen:
hey!!she/male!!!
yeah,I proffered you take a dick for brain reset cos I think incessant digestion and licking of rotten watery pussy has beclouded your sense of judgement.

better to have a fish brain than not having any atall.

FYI, I am married with kids, defending gay rights is not assertion of my sexuality. I have studied this... I have a master's in Gender studies and I have been exposed to alot. I am simply progressive and you are regressive.

I took an interest in sexuality studies when a friend of mine(guy) committed suicide because of it. Simple research made alot of things I thought wrong right and true. I won't engage in throwing tantrums, when you have a reasonable and logical argument. Quote me then.

highqueen:
you want me to counter intelligently when you have labelled me fish brain?
lmao,it takes two to tangle.

For you to propose a dick for my brain reset. Then it's obvious a brain of a fish exist inside you. Talk to me when you have a meaningful argument to counter this post.

mhisbliss:
I have read your post and i must say I'm more than impressed, theres wisdom written all over it, and i must say it is better than all the arguments of all the nay Sayers on my thread, and I'd love to counter it constructively, that is why i booked space, when I'm free I'll comeback and modify

I will be waiting for your response. Bless

highqueen:
keep promulgating nonsense.


what you need is a good dick to reset your brain.

Better behave like a graduate and read then make counter arguments if that fish brain of yours is not convinced yet.

This ‘culture’ – or better put, traditions – that we have forced upon us in the infancy of our consciousness by thoughtless trading Europeans is not ours any more than the iPhone is a Nigerian invention.

Unfortunately the network of our historical and contemporary realities as Nigerians – including religion, mores, norms, dominant attitudes, and of course our system of archaic laws – came out of this mishmash of confusion and oppression. We acquired a way of life that was not ours, inefficiently adopted it into a way of life we were still evolving, and have ended up with confusion as the norm for our legal system.

It is the reason why Nigeria’s ‘culture’ has often been a cooking pot of inane debates, like the ones we used to have conscientiously in the 90s: should women be allowed to wear trousers? Neither first lady Aisha Buhari nor first bank chairman Ibukun Awosika would seriously entertain this debate today of course. But such is our culture that many women were actually called prostitutes in the 80s and the 90s because they wore what some religious leaders – ignorant of the non-binary, constantly evolving category-boundary history of male and female attire – called ‘men’s clothing’.

When you mix a confused culture with an insecure and badly thought out system of laws, kept in place by clueless politicians and maintained in stone by religious leaders who have not read and understood enough of the world, what we have is the Nigeria of today: where minority rights are tramped upon, inane rules guide our conduct, and lawyers still wear ridiculous attire to represent clients in badly ventilated courtrooms.

It is from this same conundrum of ambiguity that we have that most oppressive of all Nigerian laws: that which stops two consenting adults from having a legitimate, non-criminalised relationship, simply because they have the same reproductive organs. For us as a country, we insist that for people to love each other in a romantic, sexual, intimate way, they must find someone with a different sexual organ than they, someone with a different gender construct than they. We are a society very obsessed with joysticks and vaginas.[/b]

[/b]When you ask people why they insist on this restrictive legal and cultural regime even though the global body of research across the world pinpoints homosexuality as a legitimate stop in the evolutionary epic, they say either of three things: a) it is not part of our culture; b) it is not natural; and c) our religions forbid it – by which mostly they mean the imported Christian and Muslim faiths, because there is nothing in the canon of Ifa, Ogun or any of the Igbo pantheon of gods that speaks against the freedom to love irrespective of gender and sexual organ.[/b]

I believe I have already addressed the question of culture, so let’s turn our minds to the question of nature.

Is it true that men having sex with men and women having sex with women is simply not natural? The preponderance of biological and anthropological evidence begs to disagree. And really it’s embarrassing that people are still making that argument in 2017.

“Sex-linked biology and gender relations, as well as the concepts of race and ethnicity, require conceptual clarity in order to determine the interactive influences of each in giving rise to health differentials. To narrowly focus on such concepts impedes an appreciation of the rich variety among humans.”

People of same gender have been having sex with each other for, as long as I know, the five thousand years of recorded history, everyone from Alexander the Great to Virginia Woolf. And, of course, everything from paintings of the San people of Zimbabwe to evidence from the Nzima people of Ghana shows proof of not just African homosexual sex, but also homosexual marriage. Indeed, there is absolutely nothing sensible about the accusation of unnatural as the Israeli historian, Yuval Noah Harari reminded the world in his spectacular book, Sapiens, last year. Anything that can happen is by definition natural. If two women can find a way to sexual pleasure, then by the obvious evidence nature already allows it. If a man can wear what we now call ‘female clothing’ and not fall down and die because of it, then it is by nature natural. Nature allows a massive spectrum of possibilities, he reminds us; it is us humans that limit the possibilities with our fears, taboos and phobias, not nature.

But let’s still investigate the word ‘natural’. Is there anything intrinsically positive about the Natural? In the first few centuries after Christ, it was very natural for a man to have 14 children and to lose more than a dozen of them to disease, and it was very natural for bacteria to wipe off millions of people because there was none of the medicines we have now. Those were very natural. And yet here we are now, as a race, having overcome those challenges, because we found ‘unnatural’ ways to fight nature through medicine. Indeed, humanity has spent the past two million years, since man discovered fire, fighting and running away from ‘nature’. We build houses to escape the rain. We buy shaving powder to get rid of the natural hair that grows on our chins and armpits. And we have unnatural caesarian operations because sometimes nature is careless, thoughtless and pointless.

Nothing about how we live our lives today is ‘natural’. Indeed, if a man from ancient Greece woke up today and saw a world with stock exchanges, female presidents, iPhones, and Twitter threads, he would scream and rave at the unnaturalness of it all. But that is how humanity advances. We move forward. We leave the past behind, not because there is anything intrinsically wrong with the past, but because the past is limited. We now know so much about our universe and ourselves than people of the past knew.

Indeed one of the most fascinating things about human nature is how many of us are here, free, today because of the ways that society has advanced beyond what was natural many decades and centuries ago, including slavery, segregation and female circumcision, and yet we want the world to stop moving because we have now arrived.

To excuse this dissonance, point often to ‘nature’. We then purport to speak for God, by claiming that what we deem natural today – even though it wasn’t ‘natural’ for people just a century ago – is what God says is natural for all people as well. We take God as our all purpose excuse to fight change, to fight difference, to insist on our own intrinsic superiority.

Ridiculous, isn’t it?

And this is where religion has played a villain’s role. As Ali A. Rizvi, author of The Atheist Muslim, presciently points out, “Culture is always evolving. But religion freezes culture in time. Religion dogmatizes culture and arrests its evolution.”

But as natural selection teaches us – and if you don’t believe in natural selection, a cursory reading of received history teaches us – there is no point in the past that was perfect and godly. I mean, have you read your bible lately? The entirety of the Old Testament is a long, repetitive record of sinful, reprobate cultures. Isaiah, Elijah, Jeremiah, all these prophets moaned and bemoaned how deeply unrighteous people were. So when Christian warriors say they want to restore biblical morality, I say ‘huh’?

There was no perfect stasis of righteousness in the past. The world has only gotten better as it has progressed forward. We are a generation healthier, richer and more at peace with our neighbours than any generation in times past. Since the Second World War, however, rates of violent death have fallen to the lowest levels in known history. Today, the average person is far less likely to be slain by another member of the species than ever before—an extraordinary transformation that has occurred, almost unheralded, in the lifetime of many of the people reading this article. If asked to choose between living in the times of Joshua and living in the times of Donald Trump, I assume you many of us should choose the much more peaceable times of today.

That doesn’t mean the past was wrong. It means the past was limited, and cannot be our standard for forging the future.

Moving away from the past has helped us discover that we have been unfair to those who are different from us, and has given us the tools and knowledge to treat them fairer, and with the love and acceptance that the divinity of Jesus – being the same, yesterday, today and forever, knowing the end of a thing even from the beginning – already preached those 2000 years ago Jerusalem that we must love our neighbours, even with their imperfections, as we love ourselves.

What makes us expend more energy asking for young gay men to be jailed and killed than for all our past leaders to be rounded up and jailed? How is Dino Melaye more ‘natural’ and ‘human’ than Ellen DeGeneres?

What kind of stupid ass system of mores and laws arrives at such a pointless, ridiculous conclusion?

We must rethink the ways we have used religion as an excuse to hold others back and in doing that, punish ourselves by holding ourselves back. Because where there are hateful laws like we have in Nigeria, societies have historically proven that their progress will be slow. You cannot advance forward if you hold your people back with hate.

Is it really a coincidence that Africa is both the least tolerant continent on earth as well as the poorest?

We live in a country where it is legal to be Senator Sani Yerima and illegal to be Apple CEO Tim Cook, and we want to make progress?

It is time to look inwards into the deplorable mess of cultural, religious and legal restrictions that we have tired ourselves in and open our hearts, minds and spirits to the joy, progress and advancement that truly equitable and fair laws can bring to a thirsty nation.

That is not a gay agenda. That is an equality agenda. It is not an equal debate if those who are against gay peoples have rights and freedoms that gay people don’t have. You are able to get married, walk about freely, speak openly about who you had a date with yesterday, but they can’t. How can you quarrel with them wanting that? How is that a ‘bad’ ‘agenda’?

Ladies and gentlemen, you cannot love a person if you deny the person rights and freedoms just because you don’t approve of how they live their lives.

That is not love. That is wickedness.


Chude Jideonwo, the Chief Executive Officer of Joy, Inc., delivered this keynote address – THE IMPACT OF CULTURAL, TRADITIONAL AND RELIGIOUS IDEAS ON FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF SEXUAL MINORITIES IN NIGERIA – at the annual Human Rights, Sexuality and the Law Symposium by The Initiative for Equal Rights on 13 December 2017, in Lagos, Nigeria in commemoration of the International Day for Human Rights.

Please what is Infinix... If it's not Samsung or LG. I am not buying

It takes extraneous circumstances to see segregation and discrimination when you are in the dominant class of society....

Hypocrisy everywhere, First he is a human before any labels attached. People should learn to mind their business. The funny thing about homophobes is that God blesses them with gay sons.. then they learn the hard way.

transit4:
The money Spent on medical treatment for Yusuf, pilgrimage for the political calls and other aimless spending by government of different levels, can go a long way to make things either free or affordable for Nigerians.. The real taxpayers

Get your facts right, every federal civil servant has a health insurance, insurance premiums are remitted yearly from the government to HMOs, unless an agency acts otherwise, I worked with a certain HMO and we covered the ministry of finance and it's agencies. Also the first family is covered as well as the presidency, so let it be on record to the ignorant ones that Buhari and Yusuf's medication was not financed by the presidency but by an HMO which I know of.

valentineuwakwe:
is this one celebrity or what? I dnt understand the people running the shows here at nairaland. . .a transgender person they are always making the post come up front page or see it as headline news anything he does. . . .for crying out loud, this this is bad. .someone who transform from a man to a woman and you guys are promoting it and the acts. .what are you teaching the younger ones, just encouraging more bobrisky to flourish in future. . .no wonder we have lost our moral and values here in the country. . .nonsense!

Please shift. This is the 21st century. Get updated. And if he is a sinner.. then we all are sinners. A fornicator and a homosexual are the same.

Bobrissskkyyyyy carry go... We dey your back. No shaking.be proud of what you are!

This is sad, very sad. You lot don't know how serious this is. It's a bad first impression. I have gone through worse cus I am Nigerian, there was already an opinion and it was terrible for me.

God help us. Any idiot who is involved and supports any type of scam will be given the curse of 20generations. U make others suffer for your greed and you want to be happy in life

UncleSnr:
Should we vote APC again or try another party with fresh set of politicians?

Please answer my question and don't ask which party will that be.

My school of thought is healthy competition, if another party comes with better ideas and the will to execute, why not try them, but we are not going backwards to PDP, 16years is enough to show us what they are capable of. And we have seen it.

As far as we are making progress, any better party with a good candidate ready to give APC a run for their money is a welcome development.

stonemasonn:
Since we now know that 13.5 billion dollars was appropriated, now what we should know is how much of it was truly utilized and how much was actually stolen/misused. It is wrong to say there was no meaningful progress.

Oga did you read the post. All the facts are stated, a committee headed by elumelu submitted reports that all contracts were inflated... And also they were even approved without engineering designs, also there was no legal backing to.withdraw the money in the first place from NASS over the years. So how can you infer there was any progress

Please endeavour to read before commenting, this is the problem with social media... No one is reading, everyone is commenting

A certain party embezzled funds of this magnitude and people still support them. Really the APC is a step forward from what we had before in governance. One thing I like is the available access to statistical figures by this Government... Infrastructural in nvestment... as well as the increased remittance of funds by agencies that did none of that I'm the past.

Having said that, they can really do better than this. Their progress is not good enough. They need to up their game. Or if this is the best they can do... Then we need another political wrestle come 2019. This healthy competition between parties is good for democracy to progress