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Fynestboi:
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Hello fynestboi, I've tried reaching the mods on education through mail but I'm yet to get any response. Kindly reconsider my ban please.

The writer saw Jesus and what he recorded in the book are beginning to happen. But a blind Muslim won't know. The unfolding prophecies are enough proof that they could have come from a high source. Guess what? Majority of the prophecies are about Islam which will produce the Antichrist beast. That's an argument for another thread..

Nonsense.

You have the effrontery to ask why we should believe the writer saw Jesus?

In the first place, the question should be, who was the writer and why should we believe him. We have to establish who wrote it first before we can ask what he saw. Besides, he said he saw things in spirit, otherwise, vision. Why should we believe?

Why should we believe Mohammad saw angel Gabriel? Why should we believe it was even angel Gabriel he saw when it was warakah that didn't witness the encounter that told him the name of the entity?

Hahahaha. I see what you are trying to do here, but seriously, you can't eat your cake and have it.

Muhammad (PBUH) himself saw it and narrated what he saw. It's a different case in Revelations.

That was his encounter with an angel which was recorded in the previous verses. Later verses show he met Jesus physically and not via vision, otherwise he won't have bowed. He was in spirit doesn't translate to mean he saw a vision. Understand English.

Help me understand English please, what does it mean to be SEEING things in SPIRIT?

He didn't say he saw things in spirit. He was simply in a spiritual mood. Praying is being in a spiritual mood.

Verse 11 said he should write down what he SEE

Stop copying Wikipedia cos it is not a Christian source.

This is what I got from a Christian source: One day in about the year 95 A.D., a man named John had a vision from heaven. The book of Revelation is John's record of that vision (Revelation 1:9-11).
http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_Revelation.htm

Revelation 1:9-18New International Version (NIV)

John’s Vision of Christ
9 I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1%3A9-18

Anyone seeing this long reply of yours now will think you have meaningful things stocked in it, when in fact it's all a repetition of garbage.

alBHAGDADI:
Islam came about and was documented in a certain way.

Tell us how it was documented and how I'm trying to force the same way for the Bible. I doubt you even know how what we have today as the Bible was compiled in about 400years after Jesus. How they decided to add books that suit their desire and throw away the ones that they don't like.

The moment you start expecting Christian to conform to that standard is the moment you get confused about Christianity. First see Christianity as something else that is what it is and not in conformation to other religions.

Why are you scared to attempt the 'problem with the gospel'?

Here you are doing what you claiming on the other thread that you no more do - trying to discredit the Bible so that you won't have to face the truth therein. Muslims need to stop doing this and face the content.

Is the writer know for certain?
Was the book written less than 70years after Jesus?

How does asking these^ questions make me shy away from the truth?

I see that you've been reading Wikipedia as if it is a reliable source. Do you know you can edit Wikipedia?

I made sure the Wikipedia page I quote had a substantial reference, this is different from just quoting a link blindly. You on the other hand you did bother to go through the link to check the reference beneath the page.

In so far a Wikipedia article has a reference for every point in it, why should we disregard it?

Reading the entire chapter should enable anyone know that it was years after his resurrection and ascension.

Apparently.

The dating by the early church doesn't mean it is hundred percent correct about the date.

Interesting. What is correct then? Or better yet, what is your own believe pertaining to this? What about other books of the new testament?

Moreover, it could be possible cos apostle John was the only one out of the 12 disciples that lived long. He wasn't killed like the others.

Obviously.

I believe the Wikipedia page you read had it that the early church knew it was Apostle John and that those that have doubts are the modern ones. Now tell me, which of these generations was close to the period?

The early church is more likely to believe it was John the apostle, basically because the text names the writer as a “John” who lived on the island of Patmos due to “tribulation” and testimony to Jesus Christ, indicating he was in forced exile. Even so, at no where didn't it say it was John the apostle, which give rise for another question, ie which John? But, as with many biblical questions, the situation is complicated. The 3rd Century Bishop Dionysius, ruled out the apostle due to the book’s character, thought, language, construction, and rough Greek idioms and grammar which is what modern literary critics agree to.

Empiree:
he can relate

Yes now. Dude now use cap to cover is bald head. Haha

Empiree:
Indeed

Demmzy15, how market?

alBHAGDADI:
You need to stop applying Islamic ways and terms to Christianity otherwise you will never understand it.

Kindly tell, what Islamic ways and terms did I apply in my questions?

Jesus Christ made the Statement himself when he spoke to apostle John on the island of Patmos were revelations of things to come were given to him by Jesus Christ. He appeared to John in a magnificent way.

When did he appear to John and made the statement? Before or after crucifixion? Take note that Early Church tradition dates the book to AD 81–96; that is approximately 90years after Jesus. Even so, the writer of this book is still unknown for certain. Why then should we believe that the unknown writer of this book indeed saw Jesus?

2. The particular encounter in the verse you are referring to was not a vision of a witnessed reality. It was witnessed by John who saw and heard Jesus speak this words "I am the First and the Last".

How can you say it was not in a vision when we have it written boldly in the first verse that
1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John , ??

Again in chapter 10: On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11 which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches:

He was in the Spirit he said, what does it mean to SEE things in the SPIRIT?

3. It was written down during the lifetime of John and by him.

You need to provide concrete prove for which John was it that wrote it and not just make unsubstantiated claim as you did above. Except of the 2nd century scholars that believe it to be john, modern scholars generally takes a different view, and many consider that nothing can be known about the author except that he was a Christian prophet. Some modern scholars characterise Revelation's author as a putative figure whom they call "John of Patmos". The bulk of traditional sources date the book to the reign of the emperor Domitian (AD 81–96), and the evidence tends to confirm this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#CITEREFBauckham1992

Read Revelations Chapter 1below is an excerptRevelations 1:17-1917 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.19 "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.

Before jumping to 17, verse 10 is very clear that he was seeing a vision as he was supposedly in the spirit. Stop making this seem like it happened in reality.

alBHAGDADI:
WHERE AND HOW DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD? 1. Who is the "First and the Last"?[/b]Let's start by quoting the Quran [b]Sura 57:3He is the FIRST and the LAST, and the Outward (His signs appear on all His creatures) and the Inward (Hidden). And He is the All-Knower of everything.[/b]Now let's read from the Old Testament [b]Isaiah 44:6
New International Version
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the FIRST and I am the LAST; apart from me there is no God.[/b]Since both the Quran and the Bible agree that God is the First and the Last, should a prophet refer to himself as such? But that is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below. [b]Revelations 1:17-18When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the FIRST and the LAST. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

There's a mainly 3 problems that I want you to examine with this Revelations verse.

1. Did Jesus himself make this statement in reality or was it narrated as a vision?

2. Who narrated the vision and who wrote it down?

3. When was it written down and how was it compiled?

Catfish
Snake
Snail
Bush meat
Pork.

And my girlfriend doesn't eat FISH. I think she's related to mermaid.

legitnow:
U WANT TO ATTACK LAWFUL CIVILIANS AND U EXPECT INT ORGANISATION TO TURN BLIND EYE?

BUHARI HAVE BEEN WARNED, HE HAS BEEN KILLING PEOPLE DEMANDING THEIR RIGHT, THEY WILL NOT MISS AN ATTEPT ON HIM.

Lawful? I doubt you have any active brain in your skull.

Xway:
Come down to biafra land and meet ur waterlooo

There's nothing you fools can do than to come online and boast.

crestedaguiyi:
He is better off staying in abuja.

So you can further have the cause to call him anti-igbo because he will never visit the east?

You guys don't ever understand what you want.

Drummerboy15:
pls has unilorin released their admission list

No. But watch out: between now and tomorrow.

FriendNG:
Wetin be goro sef? Na man abi na woman?

How far certificate palava, u done see am?

You are a fake aboki if you don't know Gworo

We still haven't found the certificate o, but they've gone to court to get the affidavit as well as police station for the police report. They are currently in the school to make complain.

FriendNG:

Be shining your gworo-infested teeth there. Aboki

alBHAGDADI:
I replied your but kept on bringing more copy and paste stuff. How do you expect me to waste my time refuting every point raised by a big novel book?

Are you deliberately trying to mix things up in a bid to cover your escapism? Where and when did you refute anything on that thread? Did you bother to even click the link? For once, stop being a coward.

Plus I got tired when our comments were getting blocked.

I'm very sure they didn't remove any of your comment from the thread. You only made a single cowardice comment that day and then you disappeared. Stop attaching to this flimsy excuse please.

My own thread is not long, just 3 comments space. Now, runaway since you can't attempt it.

Same as mine that you ran away from for almost a year now.

And your thread is not just a 3 comment space, it's a build up of about 7 points to be addressed. I will need quite a free time to do that and not just rush things when I don't have the time. Mine on the other hand raised only 1 or 2 validate point which take much of your time to address, and here you are finding stupid excuse to escape it. Whereas addressing it will be very useful in debating your thread. Infact, you need to address that thread first before we can have a conversation on your thread, else you will be giving me double work to do.

jiorhemen:
This is a serious issue and should be treated as such. Thank God a phone was stolen. You can use that to get them. Just contact IRT or STS Abuja. Both IRT and STS Abuja are elite squad of the Nigerian Police reporting directly to the IG's office. I can authoritatively confirm to you that they are the best when it comes to tracking stolen phones and getting the thieves. I know of lots of such cases. Just give them your phone's IMEI, and they will get the thief. Both IRT and STS are located at SARS office in Abuja, a place popularly referred to as 'Abattoir' here in Abuja. They will track the phone to the culprit(s) location and arrest them. After that, they will collect your certificate for you. Even if the thieve(s) have sold the phone, they will still get to the buyer and the buyer will take the police straight to the seller. Please don't say that you will take the case to the Police in Ilorin or any other division. Those places don't have tracking capability. I specifically recommended Abuja SARS because they have the technology in their office. They can even listen to conversations on any phone in Nigeria and even show you all the messages you have sent and received on your phone since you bought it even if you have deleted them.

Thanks very much for this.

alBHAGDADI:
I did, but you just kept on pasting more stuff from where you were copying from. It was later I realized you were actually copying and pasting content from a book. How do you expect anyone to really sit down and address stuff you were cooking from only God knows how many pages book.

You know I could raise the same stupid excuse for your thread right

Silly coward! I doubt you did summary in your secondary school, because if actually you did it won't be so hard for you to realize the points being raised. Of course you indeed get the points, your problem is you have no logical response to it. Should you try to reply, you will certainly to shooting yourself in the foot by exposing the lie your profess for what it is. You understand this quite well hence the more reason why you are running away from it, because your fraud will be exposed should your try to stay.

The major point of the thread is clear, you don't have to start quoting every post to reply the point by point. Just where those that wrote the Bible get their information from, and what makes them authorities, and why should you think they are right? Simple as ABC

alBHAGDADI:
Just say you are running away.

See mumu! When last did you see me engage in any discussion on this section? I've been busy. I promise to address your thread when I have the time. For now, there's no time.

alBHAGDADI:
Do you expect me to continue on a thread where all the comments speaking the ugly truth about Islam are blocked? Kindly go through your thread again and see how comments again Islam got blocked thereby killing every form of level playing field.

The same excuse you alleged on the thread even after telling you that those posts were deleted because they were trying to derail the thread which is against nairaland rule. Simply say you can't address the point raised instead of clinching on to this shenanigan of an excuse.

alBHAGDADI:
Going by how the first few comments ridiculed your confusion in that thread of yours, I don't think anyone will want to read further.

Here is an upgrade of that thread. Remember you ran away from it with tail between your legs.

alBHAGDADI:
Below is a thread quite similar to the content of the video.
You can come down so we can play right there.
https://www.nairaland.com/4117606/how-answer-question-where-did

You got a very long thread right there. I will very well like to indulge you when I have the opportunity. Only that one will have to take your point one after the other and not everything at once so as not to confuse things.

I'll be following the thread so as not to forget.

Cannonleo:
Simple solutionbto avoid such issues like this, scan all your relevant documents you need to advance in life, save them to your mail, a cloud server service etc megadrive,dropbox,googledrive etc, third party paperless administrator like OneNote, evernote etc. So when such issues happen you know you have a backup you can reprint from

I truly appreciate this.

Explorerx:
that was your certificate why are you lying thats it is a friend .I pray that you seek what you looking for

It's not mine, it just happened we are answering the same name. And the more why I took it upon myself is that the brother is so down and troubled about it.

Thanks for your prayer.

lazygal:
Rilwayne my friend.. Na your issue? I pray Allah assist him..may it be easy for him.I pray in shaa Allah the certificate be found some where.
You won't know me I am always using different names on nairaland. But I greatly admire you

Aww, thank you very much my dear sister. It's actually indirectly my issue as it happened to a very close brother of mine.

Thank you very much for you prayers, may Allah in His infinite mercy bless you and answer your prayers too. I truly appreciate your kind gesture.

Empiree:
i guess newsynews is a virgin on this subject. Your 2yrs old thread i just updated lately covers his request. He needs to go through that thread

He really needs it.

https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible

Newsynews^

Empiree:
I actually watched the 15 minutes video posted by the op for benefit of the doubt. I'd thought they 'found' Bible of Jesus not knowing the dude was still quoting same old nonsense we already trashed

Thank God I didn't waste my MB

newsynews:
What you just did is the typical Islamic tactics when confronted with obvious Bible truth.

Well, I'm sorry but you are wrong. I didn't even bother to watch the video to ascertain your so called Bible truth. Perhaps you can help by pointing out the supposed truth so we can iron it out.

Muslims ask for certain clarity in the Bible and boast that such can't be found therein. When shown to them beyond dispute, they resort to an Islamic tactic that sees them questioning the veracity of the Bible.

You are actually right. I used to do that when I was ignorant i.e using the Bible to validate the Quran, but having gone through the Bible origin even deeper, my stance has changed ever since.

I believe you can come and clear my doubt on that particular thread in my previous post. Trust me it would be easier addressing the topic of this OP.

Where was this tactics when you lots love to pull verses wrongly to show that the Bible spoke of Mohammad?Now, where in the Quran does it expressly state that the Bible has been corrupted? I wonder why Muslims hold this notion. This is what has been used to deceive them from accepting the truth the book holds.

This is irrelevant.

newsynews:
come and watch this awesome video so that you won't go about ignorantly asking the stupid question "where did Jesus say, I am God worship me? "

The problem I have now is not whether Jesus claim to be God or not, the problem I have now is the
Bible. Once we can establish the veracity of the Bible, then we can discuss what's there in.

But the question still stands anyway.

tintingz:
This Is bad, has it been reported to the school management and ask if it can be replaced?
There should be provisions/solution for things like this.

They will be going to the University Senate tomorrow to report. What we heard, however was that from previous situation as this, nothing was done on their part. Nevertheless we are giving it a try.

salford1:
The blacks had their own time. caucasians from portugal/spain or arab tribes were not native to Africa. The pyramids of Egypt were built by black africans . The richest man that ever lived was a black man. Somewhere along the line, we lost it.

I appreciate the beauty of Algeria and some other arab countries in the middle east like dubai or qatar, but i would never visit.

Pyramids of Egypt were built by black Africans? Black African slaves, init?

I doubt I'll ever visit most of those Arab countries too. I hate racism. I hate racist.

sukkot:
oh ' abeed ' is another racial slur ? dayummm. these arabs sure like terrorising us lmao. ahh well the black man shall rise again and will be respected the world over. our time is coming. the golden age

Our time is coming, when? I doubt it.