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malvisguy212:
alright, rilwayn001 do you accepts adam spirit was created in heaven? This is the explanation I may accepts.

MrPresident1:
Just be a good boy Rili. God Himself will enlighten you.

Stop yabbing people unnecessarily, like I see you do all over the place

MrPresident1:
If anyone understands the Bible as we do , he will be one of these in ancient Israel
Isaiah 3:2-3
2 The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,
3 The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.

MzNelly:
You're on a long thing, Sir

MzNelly:
I'll start with mine.....in some hours.

Scholar8200:
But what else does espousal mean if not marriage Matthew 1:18 Luke 1:27,

To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph. I believe this is sufficient proof if we'll be sincere. I'd wish you realize that we cant rewrite history and edit the culture of others( as it concerns sons and sons in law in genealogy) A son of Solomon marries a daughter of Nathan, though marriage identifies her with her husband's tribe, her own family tree must still be traced and here they use what's common practice for their culture which you've chosen to ignore.

zleemshaddy:
Op nice thread.


But I want to ask something, please how is this I.Q calculated? Because if it is by answering questions , is it not a fellow human that set the question ?

abeg na question I ask oo

sukkot:
well forget the woman then. i sure say if person tell you to eat eba with egusi and efo with orishirishi meat 3 times a day, you will be very happy. my bros you gotta be able to seat with buhari all the time eating fura. fulani are very community based. dem no want one nigga wey go dey prepare egusi for side when everybody dey eat fura

sukkot:
my bros, the man wey marry hin first daughter black pass midnight self. no be skin color issue. you gotta sabi eat fura de nunu 3 times a day while seating on top mat. na cultural issues my bros

Hehehe...I sabi fura de nunu my bros, but eating it 3times a day is a no go area for me

sukkot:
the general go fire hin shakabula for ya back. na only fulani man the general dey sanction for hin daughter.

I fit turn fulani by bleaching my skin nahh

sukkot:
well you know the religion christianity is an indoctrination. its like being put in a hypnotic trance. once you have being cloaked with the religion, you become scared to leave. my brother nobody wants to burn in literal fire for ever and ever and ever and ever. fire dey pain ooo my bros

sukkot:
my bros Rilwayne make we leave matter for matthias lol. there was no human being named jesus christ. it is a title for a group of people. it means THOSE ANOINTED WITH THE WORD. there are many jesus christs. bible is allegory not literal

My kind sire ..... the two underlined is that reason why I like you … but how come most christians are not aware of that?

Scholar8200:
Now let's see Luke 2:48,". . . And His mother said unto Him, Son, why hast Thou thus dealt with us? Behold Thy father and I have sought Thee sorrowing. Christ did not reject her declaration in fact He went with them and was subject to them. Luke 2:51 " and He went down with them and was subject unto them."

Even the people realized this Matthew 21:9 . . And the multitudes . . . Cried saying Hosanna to the Son of David. David himself prophesied about Him in Psalm 110:1, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit Thou at My Right Hand until I make Thine enemies Thy Footstool.. David did further in Psalm 2(do read through) And if we say He was a Child remember that at that age He astonished the doctors of the law with His understanding and answers. Luke 2:46,47 I believe this is sufficient proof if we'll be sincere.

I'd wish you realize that we cant rewrite history and edit the culture of others( as it concerns sons and sons in law in genealogy) A son of Solomon marries a daughter of Nathan, though marriage identifies her with her husband's tribe, her own family tree must still be traced and here they use what's common practice for their culture which you've chosen to ignore.

In fact, another practice was that a dead man's wife became his brother's to raise up seed for his dead brother (not for himself!) Genesis 38:7,8,9; Deut 25:5,6.I believe the omission of Cainan is what it is- an Omission. In fact there were times when there were omissions Ezra 2:62 .

Yes Solomon's son took over just one tribe but the Ultimate fulfilment is Christ Revelations 22:16," I Jesus have sent Mine angel to testify unto you these things in the Churches. I Am the Root and the Offspring of David . . ,"

Scholar8200:
Yes but it was referred to because God made them one and not even genealogists who understood this could remove one from the family tree of the other. Mary was Joseph's wife and was made one with Joseph
.Mary was Joseph's wife & was made one with Joseph by God (Matt 19:6)

The bolded needs scriptural proof.

Isaiah 9:6,7 "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor. . . Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end , upon the throne of David and upon His kingdom ..." Isaiah 11 is another prophesy, there Christ is called A Rod out of the stem of Jesse, David's father.

,& not a foreigner like those mentioned; this clarifies it. kindly see Luke 1:35, Matt 1:18,24,25. Pls read those. But also note that Mary said in Luke 2:48. . . "behold your father (Joseph) and I have sought you sorrowing" Jesus did not deny Mary's statement as untrue but gave a reply that was to remind her of His purpose on earth and Heavenly Father just as God becomes our Father when we give our lives to Christ and we still do not deny our earthly father. Indeed it appears you are overlooking the culture where an in-law was recognised for genealogical purpose. Well, it has been explained in previous posts. But ignoring what can be substantiated, if you'll be objective in ur search, I'm afraid lives us going in circles. All others after Solomon did not inherit the promise because the original scope was all Israel 1 Chronicles 17:7,11,12 not just a tribe. Note that angel Gabriel said Luke 1:32

"HE shall be Great , and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto Him the Throne of His father David (not Solomon) and He shall reign over the house of Jacob ( note the scope, not Judah or Jerusalem alone)

The bolded is not my argument rather my focus is on the marriage btwn the two by which they became one.

udatso:
Brother, Bible won't help in that one oh. You need to be lead by the holy spirit. Pray, fast then maybe the holy spirit will reveal it to you even though you still won't be able to explain it to others.

plainbibletruth:
If Rilwayne001 take this much time to OBJECTIVELY scrutinize his Quran I wonder, I just wonder what results he would come up with.

I challenge him to do so.

malvisguy212:
^^^both account are valid,

matthew trace the geanology of Joseph

and Luke include that of Mary. So what else do you not understand?

Can you proved from the quran, muhammed is the descended of ishmael? The way bible present that of Jesus?

Scholar8200:
Genesis 2:24,Matthew 19:6 states that after marriage, the couple are not two but one flesh. Bear this in mind.

The issue you have raised is dealt with in the principle stated in Numbers 36:8,7" ...every daughter that possesses an inheritance in any tribe of the children of Israel shall be wife unto one of the family of the tribe of her father...so shall not the inheritance ...of Israel remove from tribe to tribe"

So both genealogies are valid since the couple were made one after marriage.

And since women are not normally mentioned in most genealogies,

it's only logical that her husband is used.

Besides why will joseph (but for the admonition of the angel) try to reject Mary if he was responsible for the pregnancy?

David himself warned Solomon that the promise was conditional in 1Chronicles 28:9 also see 1Kings 9:4-9," If ]thou will walk before me as David thy father walked,in integrity of heart and uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee...Then[ will I establish the throne of thy kingdom forever. but ]if [ye shall at all turn...and will not keep my commandments... then will I cut off Israel...and this house which I have hallowed for My Name will I cast out of My Sight." Well Solomon went after idols after some years had passed and God's verdict (after Solomon rejected God's repeated warnings 1Kings 11;9,10) 1 Kings 11:11 ," Wherefore the Lord said to Solomon, ...I will surely rend the kingdom from thee..." Since the condition of an established throne forever over Israel (not a fraction thereof viz Jerusalem and Judah who were David's tribesmen)was violated, [b] the promise was forfeited by Solomon being the proximate fulfilment.

malvisguy212:
nice job brother.

Macelliot:
I didn't get you!

Scholar8200:
He was taken to the Temple in Jerusalem for dedication Luke 2:21-25 eight days after His birth but Luke 2:39 shows they went back home after the dedication.

Now there were more striking occurrences that Jesus did which were not mentioned John 20:30,31 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book. . .

Point is that not all occurrences were penned down. Besides the writers of the 4 gospels had different audiences in mind. Matthew's audience was the Jews , Mark to the Romans, Luke to the Greeks , while John wrote to the Church (same as other books he was inspired to write). Hence Matthew's detailing of occurrences and prophecies was because his audience were very familiar with same.

Scholar8200:
When I said adoption it was in the sense of recognition for genealogical purposes hence the 3 reasons I gave hence the example below might not be applicable.

but he was Mary's husband and both were of David's lineage.

of course not! I meant Jews or anyone who might have wanted to reject Jesus' Messiah-ship( on the Son of David prophecy] because of not being Joseph's son would be convinced since Mary was from same lineage.

note that this prophecy was given when David was asked to defer from building a Temple (2 Samuel 7:12-16) and the promise of Throne being established forever was to David.

Solomon did all the above stated as a proximate fulfilment.. Also note that the promise was to a seed from David's bowels not necessarily Solomon.

If this was spoken to Solomon, then it would be a different thing. Also 2 Chronicles 7:17-22 shows that, it was highly conditional in Solomon's case because it was an inherited promise which he qualified for as one of David's seed but which was not without conditions to him[Solomon].

FOLYKAZE:
What can you say about Jewesun?

Scholar8200:
Herod was told that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:5- hence his order to kill all infants was targeted at Bethlehem and it's borders only, not all Israel (Matthew 2:16)

But Elizabeth,John's mum lived in," the hill country, in a city of Judah" Luke 1:39 not the same place Jesus was born.

The events in Luke 2:22-40 occurred eight days after the birth of Jesus. The order of Herod could not have come immediately after Jesus'birth because the wisemen went off to search for Christ hence Herod would have given them a space of a year etc And that's why the execution order was children under 2 years meaning ample time was given to the wisemen.

If you think the slaughter of infants, journey to Egypt was a lie what then do we say of the old testament prophecies quoted by the writers- Jeremiah 31:15; Hosea 11:1? If the death of infants seem too cruel to have happened recall what Pharaoh did to Israel's male babies!

Scholar8200:
Well op, the genealogy from Matthew traces from Joseph's side directly,

while the genealogy traced from Mary's. The name of Joseph was mentioned in Luke's genealogy simply because he was Mary's husband. It was a practise in Jewish (Israel culture) to adopt one's son in law as a son (The internet is available for your personal research on this). I feel this practise was to ensure that: 1.Every tribe's claims to their inheritance will be preserved, and 2) Each family with daughters will not be cut off once their daughters get married. 3) Genealogy can be traced from women through their husband's adoption into the woman's family tree.

Luke's perspective was complementary else any one can reject Christ saying,

since Joseph was not his biological father, then (supposing Mary was not from David's lineage) He is not the Messiah because the Latter was called the Son of David in prophecy.