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Sanchez01:
I don't mean to spark a war, please.

I'm not trying to do so too

I made that claim because a Muslim friend told me this while in school. He claimed to have seen some Clerics around him use it.

Okay. never heard of such though.

I tried to ask him to give descriptions of the book, but said the Cleric claimed the book is sacred and not something to be toyed with.

Lol.

I downloaded one 6th and 7th book of moses from google.
When I couldn't grab the nonsense in it, I deleted it.

SHARIAREPORTERS:
Heard its an islamic book!

from where?

Sanchez01:
For the sake of knowledge, I was tempted to go after the book sometimes ago but I was warned by people around not to try because most of those who read the books often end up nuts.

Demonic is not the word to use, just that the book is fetish and contains dark powers. , Some modern day Muslim clerics use it. Funny.

While some modern day pastors don't use it?

[size=15pt] Goodluck Jonathan - EFCC chairman [/size]

So you agreed that you can't tell us the reason why your god was nailed to the cross bah?

truthman2012:
My friend, welcome. Good to be here.

Yes sir, but sir don't you think your son who you said his also on this board will be highly disappointed with you attitude and the fact that you were unable to tell us which sin jesus died for?

There is need to recycle and we will keep recycling as nothing is new under the earth.

If thats what rocks your boat, you can continue recycling, but let it be known deep inside you can only continue to fool your fellow gullible xtian, and I believe tje reasonable ones will notice how low you are, and they will surely embrace the truth. I just hope your daughter (my future wife insha Allah ) will be online to read you deceitful attitude, and that will make her embrace islam.

Besides, the fact that you are still obstinate shows the need for recycling.

Every reasonable individual reading your thread(s) and our rebuttals to them will surely know who is obstinate. And I believe anyone reading my thread about the sin jesus died for will observe the shallow brain you guys possesed.

Now, what is your explanation to the OP?

The Verse Under Discourse
"And when Allah said:" 0 `Isa! I am going to take you away completely and raise you to Myself and clear you of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."
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What Is Tawafii
"At-Tawaffi": is to take something completely. It is for this reason that it is also used for death, because at the time of death Allah takes man's soul away from his body.

See, for example, the following verses where "Tawafi"is used: "... Our messengers take him completely ( i. e., cause him to die.)" {surah al-An'am: 61

"And they say:" What! when we have become lost in the earth, shall we then indeed be in a new creation?". ..

Say:" The angel of death who is given charge of you shall take you completely (i. e., cause you to die), then to your Lord you shall be brought back" {Sajdah:10 - 11}

"Allah takes completely the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term..." {Zumar: 42}

Pondering on the last two verses you will see that the Qur'an has not used "at-tawaffi in the meaning of death, rather the word gives the idea of taking and preserving. In other words, when at-tawaffi is used for death, it is not because it means death; rather it is used to emphasize the connotation of taking and preserving, to show and establish that man's soul does not perish, is not destroyed by death - - contrary to what ignorant people think; Allah keeps and preserves it until comes the time to return it to its body for resurrection. At other places where this sense is not involved, Allah uses the word Al-mawt (death), and not at-tawaffi.

For example:
And Muhammad is no more than a messenger, the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed, will you turn back upon your heels?" {Al-Imran:144}

"... it shall not be finished with them entirely so that they should die ..." {Surah Fatir: 36}


There are a lot of other verses of this type, not excepting some verses in `Isa's story itself: For example, there are, `Isa's words about himself: "And peace be on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised to life" {surah Maryam: 33}

And Allah's words about him: "And there is not one of the people of the Book but most certainly shall believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he (`Isa) shall be a witness against them" {surah Nisa: 159}

It all shows that at-tawaffi does not necessarily mean death.

This interpretation is also supported by the words of Allah refuting the claim of the Jews: And their saying:"Surely we killed the Messiah, Isa son of Maryam, the messenger of Allah;" and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so) like `Isa (; and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture; and they killed him not for sure. Rather, Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. And there is not one of the people of the Book but most certainly shall believe in him before his death and on the Day of Resurrection he (`Isa) shall be a witness against them" {surah Nisa: 157 - 159}

The Jews claimed that they had killed the Messiah, `Isa son of Maryam, and likewise the Christians think that the Jews had killed `Isa son of Maryam by crucifixion, and that after he was crucified Allah raised him up from his grave to the heaven, as the Gospels say. But the Qur'anic verses, as you see, unequivocally refute the story of killing and crucifixion both.

It is apparent from the Divine Words, And there is not one of the people of the Book..., that `Isa (a. s) is alive near Allah and that he will not die until all the people of the Book shall believe in him. Keeping all these factors in view, the word "At-tawaffi, used in the verse under discussion, would only mean that Allah was to take him away completely from among the Jews. Yet the verse does not say so clearly; it is only its apparent connotation.

Source: {Curled From Tafsir al-Mizan of 'Allamah Sayyid Hussain Tabatabi}

In Badshah Husain's English translation of the Holy Quran, Sale is quoted on page 41 of Vol. 11. as under:
" It is supposed by several that this story was an original of Mohammad's but they are certainly mistaken, for several sectarians held the same opinion, long before his time. The Basilidians) Irrenus I. I. C 32 and C. Epiphan Haeres 42 num III (in the very beginning of Christianity, denied that Christ himself suffered, but that Simon the Cyraracean was crucified in his place. The Corinthians before them and the Carpocratians next) to name no more of those who affirmed Jesus to have been a mere man (did believe the same thing; it was not himself, but one of his followers very like him that was crucified. Photius tells us that he read a book entitled
"The Journeys of the Apostles", relating the acts of Peter, John, Andrew, Thomas and Paul, and among other things contained therein, this was one, that Christ was not crucified, but another in his stead, and that therefore he laughed at his crucifiers (Photius Bible Cod 411, col. 192) or those who thought they had crucified him (Tolands' Nazrenus p. 71)".

* The Jewish plot to kill Isa was prevented by the best of planners, the almighty Allah..

Mirza Ahmad 'Ali also writes:
Tawaffa is to fulfil a promise. "Inni mutawaffika" means "I will complete your term". The word may mean death or to take away. It has been used in both its meanings in the Quran.

The incoherent recording of the events of Isa's crucifixion, burial and resurrection in the New Testament, proves that the whole story had been fabricated to suit the doctrines of the Christian church.

All the Muslims, in the light of this and other verses of the Quran, do not give any credence to the false story of Isa's crucifixion and resurrection, fabricated by the Christian church..

In the verse of discourse, these words follow each other successively: "Tawaffa" (to take away), "tahar" (to purify), "raf-a" (to raise) and "nuzul" (to descend). These are the four effects of the divine will in connection with Isa, out of which the first three have already taken place and the fourth is expected to happen, before the final resurrection. The religion of Allah shall triumph over all other religions and creeds. The light of truth shall enlighten the world, and a perfect human society shall be established before the world comes to an end. This is His promise.

If tawaffa means death, then also there should be no doubt in the mind of a believer about Isa's nuzul because, as said in verses of al-Baqarah, Allah can give life to the dead or raise up any dead living being to life.

In the opinion of Shaykh Saduq (ra), this explanation is more credible..If tawaffa means departure from this world without dying, then his nuzul will be re-appearance after his temporary disappearance.

Allah Knows Best.

OYA RECYCLE YOUR NEXT THREAD AGAIN, THIS ONE IS DEAD

Fela Kuti - Coffin for head of state

Franzeez:
Who cares? All I care is the Retardedd general will be bashed and washed and rubbished. His govt should be ready for the height of critics. We will take no mistake. Kunu Drunk president

I understand your pain.

But why don't you just go and die?

Recycling threads when actually they can't tell us why their lord was nailed to the cross.

Bunch of neanderthals.

Franzeez:
We are patiently waiting for the Kunu Drunk's govt to start

Butthurt

The END of the clueless government

Goddex:
[siz]So is Gov Ajimobi just realising that that part of his state did not have transformer?

Naija politricians playing mind games on citizens since 1702[/size]

We have got 2 transformers.

One got spoiled and that was the reason why teslim brought his own.

Wow

Dayummmn

FrancisTony:
What's the meaning of this words. No googling or dictionary, pls.

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It should be "these words" and not "this words"

1) Gullible

Easily cheated

2) Intestate

Have'nt done anything

3) Exhume

to take a corpse out of grave

4) Ubiquitty

being in multiple places at the same time.

5) Amnesia

loss of memory

6) Elegy

a song

7) Eulogy

praise

Conscript

9) Insolvent

having liabilit(ies)

10) Hullabaloo

trouble.

okestev:
...bros, na fight bah?

yeah

They should come and steal it

LOL.

The three Orekoya kids, Demola; Adedamola and
Aderomola, who were declared missing about a week
ago are now confirmed to have been reunited with
their parents in Lagos.

This was made known to the public after Adebisi
Orekoya, mother of the three children, took to
Facebook to thank Nigerians for their support and
prayers.

In her words, “We give God all the Glory. Our Orekoya
missing Kids have been found.Thank you so much
everyone for ur prayers and moral and Financial
support all along. The list is endless, of awesome
mothers, sisters, business partners, father’s and even
kids too. You’ve been amazing! May God grant all your
heart desires too. Much love always.”

The children, Demola,6; Adedamola, 4, and Aderomola,
11 months, were abducted by their househelp, one
Mary Akinloye, 24 hours after she was employed by the
family via OLX, an online sales portal, with an
agreement of N10,000 to N15,000 monthly salary.
Akinloye, who claimed to be 23 years old and hailed
from Ibadan, Oyo State, according to the family,
resumed work on March 7, when the former nanny did
not show up after her annual leave.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Mrs-Adekoya-and-her-kids.gif

www.naija247news.com/2015/04/3-missing-orekoya-kids-have-been-found-parent-say/

www.bellanaija.com/2015/04/15/have-the-orekoya-children-been-found/

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/04/kidnapped-orekoya-kids-found-says-mother/

cc: lalasticlala

@OP.

And you believe this lair called walid shoebat.

sukkot:
Top of the morning to you my kind Sir

High CHIEF ZEBRUDIAH how was your night sire?

sukkot:
as in ehn. maybe my next reincarnation i shall be called CHIEF ZEBRUDIAH

that will be nice

XBLadez:
No vote, no transformer. He made his point clear. [s] That community will run generator and live in darkness for a while [/s]

Bullshiit.

This incident happened in my area of Ibadan. We already have 2transformers that works adequately, Ajimobi donated one again few weeks ago (that makes it three), before this teslim guy came to present another one for us (to make it 4) when actually we have decided on who to vote for. He didn't just donate transformer to us, he has been repairing our mosque + donating solar street light to the community. Before the presidential election, he was busy dolling out money to the people, sharing gift items thinking that they would vote for GEJ, but when GMb beat the hell outta GEJ in the community with over 90% vote, mr. teslim didn't learn his lesson, Instead he thought they voted for their hausa brother. Then he came back with his wife and started dolling out money to people in other for them to vote for him.

He should take away his transformer, we have 3 transformers here and we used 2 at the same time, one will be spared.

There are too many hausa here in the community, hence, the reason why most politicians of oyo state bank on the community vote.

Lmao

How I missed this comment

Ifeann:
U getting worked up... Take a deep breath and Relax
It seems you want to debate, bring up any issue u have with Christianity and we share ponder on it
Cc

Are you okay at all? You are yet to address the OP and you are here telling someone to bring up any issue with christianity when actually you ran away when the thread was opened as a discuss with your moniker, now you come back to tell someone to bring up a debate?
Are you not even ashamed of yourself at all?
If you can't debate with me the core tenent of your faith, you can't tell us what jesus died for, then what debate do you still want to hold or use in confusing a muslim to accept christianity?

Better leave this thread if you don't have any reasonable thing to say again.

Shameless girl.

tola9ja:
NO IT IS oremussanctus

indeed

OP, is that you?

ChampaignPaPi my kind sire, sorry ehn
Even Nicki is dreaming of kissing you.

mmsen:
What makes you say that Abraham was a Muslim?

How could he follow the Quran without access to the Quran?

How could he follow Mohammed if he came before Mohammed?

You should answer this question first: Whats your definition of "a muslim" and " a Jew"?

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, known as the Patriarchs, are both the physical and spiritual ancestors of Judaism. They founded the religion now known as Judaism, and their descendants are the Jewish people. Of course, technically, it is incorrect to refer to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as Jews,
http://www.jewfaq.org/origins.htm

I hope you are not blind to see the bolded and the underlined

Billyonaire:
This is when Obas where not in the pockets of politicians and not taking bribes. Oba Lil Wayne should stop desecrating the Royal Stool with his greedy affiliation with politics and politicians.

Whats this one saying?

mmsen:
Was Abraham a Muslim?

Yes

How could he be a Muslim and a Jew, as claimed in the Bible/Torah?

Whats your definition of "a muslim" and " a Jew"?