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DryMouth:
So who was Jesus?

All these men of "God" shuld jst shut the hell up.

From all the doings of Jesus as portrayed by the bible, Jesus is simply a prophet.

Your religion calls Him that Messaih. Do you Know what that means? He even gave life to a bird of clay. Which human being does that? Your religion says He'll be the judge. Of course, you'll meet Him when you cross over.

OBALOLA55:
JESUS IS NOTHING BUT A PROPHET AND MESSENGER OF GOD, STOP MISLEADING PEOPLE MR MAN

He has already answered you Mr. You'll meet Him when you cross over.

AntiChristian:
Are you awake? Kindly rinse your face with water. There's no vacuum anywhere left to be filled in my heart.

There was evidently a body made of clay, a soul that became



How did you vividly experience those things?

Logically you even wrong. God created Adam from earth and that is just the Body. The body returns to the earth on death! The breath of God turned it alive and this is just one entity (spirit/Soul).

At the bolded, you're wrong. Following your logic, it should be that 'The breath of God turned it alive and it became a living body - not a living soul.' The body is just a house my brother. The real man is within.

There was evidently a body made from clay, a soul that became a living soul, and a spirit from God's breath that made the soul a living soul. This is so simple to understand but you chose to be fixated on your own personal ideologies.

cornelboy:
It says the child shall be called mighty God, everlasting father etc. So what do you want to point out from the verse?

Why is the child so called? And why did 1Tim. 3:6 say concerning the child that 'God was manifest in the flesh."?

cornelboy:
Where in Isaiah 6:9?

Isaiah 9:6 I mean. Sorry for the error.

BenevolentD:
Christianity is not Superior

by Olufemi A., Ph.D

The highest result of Education is Tolerance (Helen Keller, 1903). There is a need to look inward on the matters that dismantle the peaceful coexistence in our society. In a multi ethnic society that share the bond of religion, tolerance is pertinent. Tolerance can never be achieved if one group plays God. If we are to live in peace, we must come to know each other better (Lyndon B Johnson, 1965)

When I lived in the Muslim community of different cultural groups in the North and South of Nigeria, I enjoyed the freedom of existence in my relationship with them.

In the Northern part of Nigeria, they don't entertain jokes especially at the expense of their religion. Religion comes first in everything they do. If you are to live in their community, you must respect their position on religion. So it is in India, where Cows are worshiped. Out of the 29 States in India, 20 states prohibit Cow slaughtering. Slaughtering a Cow for any reason is tantamount to killing their God. Peace connot be kept by force, it can only be kept by understanding (Albert Einstein)

I have spent many years in Academics and I have a bank of experience on how we oppress the Muslims by depriving them their rights.

When I left Obafemi Awolowo University some years ago, there was only one Muslim lecturer in the Faculty of Pharmacy. Out of the Twenty one Lecturers in the Department of Educational Foundation and Counseling, only Dr Sobowale was a Muslim. The Department of Medicine under the Leadership of a Professor who is also the General Overseer of a Church, witnessed an Era where competent Doctors were denied their right of employment because of their Muslim religion. I was sad when I heard that the Small spot on the deck of the Health Sciences building where the Muslim students observe their prayers have been closed whereas classes or any spot in the faculty premises are open to Christian students for fellowship or Devotion without infringement. Christian lecturers have tried in many ways to cancel the Space were the Muslims observe their prayers in the Geology Car park but Professor Ramon of the Geology Department has played a major role in maintaining the spot.

In many occasions, I have intervened in cases were Christian Project Supervisors enforce Christianity on their Project students. They use Christianity as a prerequisite to excellence. I have fought Christian lecturers who deprive some muslim ladies their rights to wear the hijab. These sinful Lecturers never fight against the Catholic Sisters who come to classes, Laboratory, Examination halls and Seminars wearing the Catholic Ragalia or those students who dress like Harlots but their problem is the hijab.

On the 29th day of November, 2021, Dr Awoseemo who served has the Principal of School of Nursing and Midwifery, Obafemi Awolowo University, pressurized the Muslim Nursing students to sign an undertaking stating that they will not use the hijab in the school premises.

On the 5th of February, 2013, According to the Punch News Paper, the Principal of Kadara Junior Grammar School in Lagos State; E. C. Ukpaka, flogged a Muslim student; Aisha Alabi for putting on the hijab. If Ukpaka had beaten the student 5 or 10 strokes, it wouldn't have bothered the public but 43 stokes of cane is harsh and inhumane.

In September 2019, The Premium Times published a news where 30 Professors of the University of Ibadan submitted a petition against the school Authority for scheduling Senate meetings to Friday Prayer times. Some Christian Lecturers also fix Classes to Friday Jumat time.

This is not the right platform to discuss how the Christians in leadership Positions in Universities and Government Parastatals deny the Muslims of Job opportunities, Scholarships, Grants, or Work benefits.

In all my years of work, I have enjoyed working under a Muslim faithful than a Christian Devot. A Faithful Muslim will not deny you a job opportunity because of your faith. He will not beat a Christian Nun because of her Regalia. He will not stop you from morning devotions or force you to join him while he is praying. He will not abuse Jesus Christ or Holy Mary.

Tolerance is the best religion. As Christians, we must stop the oppression and cease to preach hatred towards the Muslims. They are not our enemies. We need to teach our children that Christianity is not Superior to Islam and the Pastor is not Holier than the Imam.
Either men will learn to live like brothers or die like beasts (Max Learner, 1949)

Keep your mouth shut! No one is interested in your lies!

Even if the rubbish you typed is true, how does it justify the killing of an innocent girl?

AntiChristian:
I have known the truth over 20 years ago!

Who told you you'll be alive in the next seconds?

Then, why are you still in bondage. What's that vacuum in your heart that's yearning to be filled?

You're disputing that spirit = soul to a man who has vivid experiences of these things.

If spirit = soul. The spirit = soul = body. Because the scriptures says "God shall sanctify you wholly, spirit, soul and body." If spirit = soul, then both = body according to your logic.

You can't even say such to someone like me who have been privileged of God to have out-of-body experiences.

When you know the truth, you will be free.

cornelboy:
Lol.

Who was Jesus before he came to earth?

You are not God that saves na.

Who are Christians?

Get a real Bible and find the truth. Stop reading the JW Bible that has been edited to suit the doctrines of its founders.

Isaiah 6:9 clearly states who Jesus is for all eternity.

dammyco:
Are you there Just be careful. I was in unilorin during his time o.

I stayed in Ilorin many years. I was there when the Ahmed issue happened.

What made the Kwarans chase him away? Go and enquire.

All those atrocities I outlined above are still in court as we speak.

Dtruthspeaker:
You must not be normal! person can not have heard "live in my house" and yet think to say "doubt His existence".

You're contradicting yourself!

He lives in your house, and yet, you do not believe in Him?

Go rephrase your statement. Those who don't believe in God are those who doubt His existence.

How can God live in your house and yet fail to believe in Him? Perhaps you're like Abinadab who had the ark of God in his house without the blessings of God. Obededom had the ark afterwards and was mightily blessed.

There's a serious problem with your heart.

Dtruthspeaker:
You must not be normal! person can not have heard "live in my house" and yet think to say "doubt His existence".

You're contradicting yourself!

He lives in your house, and yet, you doubt His existence. Is that how intelligent you are?

NewTAN:
Saraki.
I really like him, but I don't think he's fit to be president. He performs at his best when he's in the opposition e.g when he was senate president.

Saraki is wicked. Go and ask Kwarans. This is someone who sold government properties and pocketed the proceeds. He obtained loans in government name and became the sole beneficiary of the loans. All allocations during the administration of Ahmed, his stooge, were transferred to his private Account. He gives the government anything he wants. Salaries were never paid. Workers complained to Ahmed, and at a point, Ahmed told them to go meet Saraki. Saraki, upon hearing that, summoned Ahmed and gave the governor a dirty slap.

What do you like about that wicked being? Tell us, let us know!

Yes. That's fair.

Even Muslims won't vote a Christian- Christian candidate.

It's been rotating between Christians and Muslims since 1999. It should continue that way to balance the equation.

Thankfully, the best presidential materials in Nigeria today: Osinbajo, Akinwumi and Peter Obi are all Christians.

Buhari, a Muslim to hand over to a Christian. Tinubu and all other Muslim aspirants should fizzle out.

A Christian - Muslim candidacy is best for now in the spirit of democracy. Afterwards, a Muslim - Christian candidacy would be welcomed again

Houstency:
What makes Osibanjo better than Obi? Same Osibanjo that contributed to the current rot we are facing along with his principal Buhari.. Make una nor dey yarn opata based on ethnicity or pay.

Osinbajo is far better than Obi.

Obi has so many questions to answer, Osinbajo has none. Obi should clear his Pandora image as well as the Awkuzu Sars massacre under his government.

Osinbajo is part of a failed team but he distinguished himself. Even in a failed Super Eagles team, we still usually have players that distinguish themselves. That's the case with Osinbajo. This is the only candidate that is genuinely passionate for Nigeria. His integrity sets him apart.

cornelboy:
This just made up assumptions made from misinterpretation. The Bible is not science that you can just make theories from. It's a trick.
Three persons can't be one person.


If you really understand the Bible, you'll understand that Jesus is distinct from his Father even before Jesus came to earth.
Jesus said it many times in the Bible that he was with God and also that God sent him.


Compare them with other versions of the Bible. King James version is deviant. They changed the truth.


But it didn't say he's the almighty God the Father huh?


Yeah thanks, that's what I do.

You don't know the depth of what you believe in.
They say God the son, God the Father, God the holy are three three distinct person yet working together as one. That's just a lie.

Did the almighty God ever claim to be three person and yet one? No. God claimed to be one being.
Did Paul believe in trinity? No. He also believe the Father is the one God there is.
Anything less or more than that is addition to the Bible, hence false teachings!

These people, Paul and Jesus were baptized by the holy spirit and I believe their words that the Father is the one true God.

Paul understand the perfect relationship between the Father and Jesus. But he never say Jesus is also God like the Father himself.

The early never taught or believed in the pagan doctrine, trinity, that was established via hot debates between bishops at the Nicene council and subsequent councils when Constantine a Roman leader took over Christianity.

I explained to you already what Jesus meant by being one with the Father already.

Well I was once in your shoes.

May Jehovah God help you to see the truth in Jesus name. Amen.

You're a JW? Hahaha. No wonder. Are you guys Christians? No! Your own Jesus is even some glorified angel Michael.

You have no part in these things. You need to be saved.

AntiChristian:
No i won't be ashamed of nothing. Even your creation story supports me more than it supports you.

I wonder where you guys get all this extraneous materials outside your book.

Anyways, no be today una don dey leave your book follow words of men.

My submission is God created body from earth material. And breath in one entity which is either called spirit or Soul.

Any other thing you bring is a fallacy.

God will keep your soul. Ten years to this time, you would have known the truth.

cornelboy:
You know I gave you an assignment on 1 John 5:7 earlier.

This verse is another assignment for you.

Do your research and tell me why it only the king James Bible that say "God was manifest in the flesh"? Why didn't other versions of the Bible put it that way?

King James was translated Trinitarians. And they inaccurately translated that verse like they added words to 1John 5:7.

It was Christ that was manifest in the flesh not God himself.

Roman Catholics really tampered with pure doctrines of the early church.

God is one person, Yahweh, the Father!

1 John 5:7 is not the only verse establishing this truth. Even if 1 John 5:7 never existed, countless verses abound.

cornelboy:
The early church didn't believe it at all.
They know that God is one. A singular person.
Not three in one or one in three.

That's what we also believe. God isn't three persons. He's One Person manifested in 3 forms.

The 2 verses I gave you now confirms this.

"God was manifest in the flesh. " The selfsame person.

The son that's born shall be called Mighty God. The same person.

Please read with understanding.

cornelboy:
If your saying literally, that's, God the Father is the one true God according to Paul and Jesus though there are many other Gods.

Or you don't believe Jesus' and Paul's teachings?

Like the Bible never mentioned trinity or teaches it. I wonder where it came from. The Roman Catholics of course!
Peace sir/ma.

The Bible never uses the Word Trinity but it's evidence cannot be denied in scripture.

cornelboy:
RoyalDiadems:

Let's examine some trinity theories attributes;
Co powerful, co equal.

God appointed Jesus. Hebrew 1:9
God gave him his name. He obtained it. Hebrew 1:4
Every authority/power was given to Jesus by God.
Jesus will hand over his authority back to God in the future. I Corinthians 15:24-28.

Is Jesus really co equal and co powerful with God the Father cos he never seem to have anything on his own, only what the Father gives him?

God is a Triune Being. Even in creation, He said Let US make man.

1Timothy 3:16

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Isaiah 9:6:


"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

I wouldn't say anything further on this. You can argue with the Scriptures.

cornelboy:
That would means that, people could be called Gods and even Jesus was/is called God but Yahweh is the one true Almighty GOD.

See 1 Corinthians 8:5&6 and study it well. Paul acknowledge many Gods and Lords but explicitly explained that the Father, is the one God for them.
Jesus confirmed it at John 17:3.

This is not something that can be explained through logic. It takes a walk with God to unravel spiritual mysteries.

Don't start saying what the word of God meant, start saying what the word of God said.

I believe the word of God literally because God never says what He doesn't mean. I can't start finding meanings on God's behalf.

cornelboy:
So you meant that within us means spiritual place?
What kingdom was Daniel 2:44 prophecy referring to?

My brother, you have a problem believing the Bible

Why are you saying 'I meant?" How dare I mean anything?. I only pointed you what Jesus said. You either choose to believe Jesus or believe your teachers.

cornelboy:
Why couldn't that holy spirit that makes someone born when saved empower the person if it's the same holy spirit?

God doesn't impose Himself upon the will of man. You get what you ask for except on rare occasions.

Ask for salvation, you will become reborn into the family of God. Ask for power, you would be baptised in the Holy Spirit.

cornelboy:
Jesus also said people will go there.

Maybe you should study that within us well.

Yes, it's presently a Spiritual place, it will become a physical place at the close of the age.

cornelboy:
Like I quoted those verses from the Qur'an right?

First do your research on that 1 John 5:7 and tell me the reason why king James version added:
"the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
That wasn't in the original manuscript if the scripture.

When Jesus said at John 10:30 that "my Father and I are one", did he mean they are one as God? Capital NO!

John 17:22
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Jesus was praying to God in that verse and that's the ONE he meant at John 10:30.

You don't know Jesus.

He was man in His body, and God in His Spirit.

Why did the Jews take up stones to stone Him? Because they felt that since He said He's one with God, He has made Himself God. They saw it as blasphemy.

John 10:35, Jesus referred to the issue, and asked the why they had any issue with what He said. Referring to Pslam 82, He said:

"If He called them Gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scriptures cannot be broken..."

Jesus didn't deny the import of that statement, but instead established it.

John 1:1 clarifies it:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD."

lexy2014:
Did u even answer the question once? Since u admitted that u responded to my question with a question, you are admitting that u didn't answer the question.

The answer to your question is embedded in the answers to my question. I was hoping that a man of your intellectual standing will effortlessly answer the following questions:

Is it the job of osinbajo to be aware of the problems and challenges in Nigeria? Since u say that he doesn't know, are therefore saying that osinbajo is incompetent?

I don't have time for time wasters.

cornelboy:
Lol. The 120 became born again after getting baptized at the upper room. They were already saved because they've believed.

Only the saved (those that have believed according to Roman 10:9&10) are qualified to be born again i.e born of the Spirit through the holy spirit.

I don't what heresy you were talking about

The rebirth and the empowerment are two distinct works of the Holy Spirit in a man's life.

cornelboy:
Well it's okay. It seems your saying we have two kinds of holy spirit.

The same Holy Spirit. The same One who is in all Believers.

cornelboy:
Well Jesus is ruling the kingdom in heaven and of course heaven is a spiritual place.

The kingdom will come according to Matthew 6:10

I thought you said it's within us before?

Jesus said it's within us, not I - Luke 21:17.

cornelboy:
I stick to what the Bible says not general knowledge.
Because it is generally, doesn't mean it's the truth.

Like in John 17:3 when Jesus was praying to the Father, he said the Father us the one true God. Paul also emphasized on it that the Father is the one God there's 1 Corinthians 8:5&6 and Ephesians 4:6.
Even Peter said God the Father made Jesus Lord and Messiah Acts 2:36.

Today, what's the general belief?
You say God is three persons. Like the son and the holy spirit has to join the Father for Him to be complete as one God in three persons.

I wonder where you guys get these phrase from;
God the son

God the holy spirit

Mathew 28:19
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"

1John 5:7
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For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (which is the son according to John 1:1), and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."

You're correct about general knowledge but not all is defective. Any general knowledge that's well grounded in scripture with strong scriptural backings cannot be despised.

But, the things you're talking about are strange. Absolutely unscriptural things.

cornelboy:
Matthew 21:31
[31]Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

If it's within people, they don't need to go into it.
From that verse kingdom of God seensike a place People go to. We can say kingdom of God is same as kingdom of heaven.

Daniel 2:44
[44]And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

The kingdom is the kingdom of God set up in heaven.

The Kingdom of God is presently a spiritual place. At the close of the age, it would become a place where people would enter.

cornelboy:
Well tbh, I have always been doing that.

From what I've read from you so far, I stand in doubt of this.