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Speaklove:
I went through some of your replies to that fellow "antichristian " and they are excellent .

I have also given him this scripture for support of what you've been saying .

1 Thessalonians 5:23
[23]Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole SPIRIT, SOUL, and BODY be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

You did a great job and I even grabbed A new information from what you wrote .
I gained a new understanding concerning the subject of soul and spirit .

I thought it wise to appreciate your effort and patience .
You didn't use abusive words or insult .

And that's something to point out to .

many Christians would just read and enjoy the discussions without making any effort to contribute to the advancement of such a thing that promotes God's kingdom .
But you sacrificed time ,energy and put in effort to see that those at variance with the message were enlightened .

I want to say a big thank you .

God will see you through and bless you abundantly .in Jesus name .

Amen. Thanks so much for the encouragement. May the Lord bless you too, in Jesus name.

lexy2014:
True he isn't omniscient but the gentleman raised an issue of social service which he isn't receiving which he is supposed to be receiving & this falls under the function of the executive which osinbajo is the second man.

To say he isn't omniscient hence people should live in darkness, u simply telling us that osinbajo like his boss is of no use to nigerians and has lost touch with the reality on ground. If u say he went to talk to delegates, is it until he comes to campaign to citizens before citizens will have electricity?

Do you mean you can be blamed for a problem you're probably not aware of?

MT:
You are such a joke. All the church buildings and assets, who owns it? A man that has positioned his son (Muyiwa) to take over after him.
A man that slaps a woman in an open church calling her a witch. Oyedepo has no right to insult the highest office in the country. He's not making any sense. Prophets in the bible didn't sound the way he does, always throwing his weight around like a God.

I said what I have said and I stand by it. You have your right to follow him blindly , I reserve my right to question him when he descrates the highest office in Nigeria.

It seems you worship Nigeria. True believers know who they worship, and their allegiance goes to Him above all else.

MT:
Out of all the pastors in Nigeria, I have little regards for this one. So pompous, uncouth, arrogant and full of himself.

This is what happens when someone who never dreams it sits on vast resources belonging to other people all in the name of Christianity.

Even our Lord Jesus gave what belongs to Caesar to Caesar. He respected his office. Here is this one, insulting the highest office in his own country.

May you not use your mouth to destroy yourself.

Bloggers can make you commit sin if you're not wary.

This isn't the first time Oyedepo would be saying something like this. He's been saying it since the inception of his ministry. He premises it on the fact that, there's no calling higher than God's calling. An opportunity to serve in God's kingdom is most honourable... and it's a demotion to go serve elsewhere.

Do not follow the multitude to do evil.

Of all the men of God in Nigeria, this is the only man who has never earned salary from his ministry till date. From day one of the living faith church, Oyedepo has never been on the church's payroll. He lives on Goodwill. And pays more than the 10th part of his income as tithe. God has blessed him for a reason!

Oogway:
As a fan of Osinbajo and Resident of Calabar, Cross River State. It saddens me that Calabar has been without electricity for over 1 month and Osinbajo visited the state and never commented on the electricity problems of the state, as an incumbent Vice President and Presidential aspirant. It goes a long way to show the kind of President he’ll become

Is he omniscient? Did you guys let him know? He didn't go to Calabar to campaigns to the indigens. He went to talk to the delegates.

ademidedavid:
Yorubas are not powerful, they only have intellects


They are wise and very intelligent I must say but are weak when it comes to handling power

They are supplanters, they are enemies of themselves which makes them weak.

If that's so, what made the hold sway over a vast empire that stretched from Oyo to Togo for about 600yrs until the colonial masters invaded the continents and changed Governments?

cornelboy:
They weren't born again that's why they needed to be baptized by the holy spirit cos it's the holy spirit that does the work giving birth to spiritual life and for them to enter the kingdom of God in heaven.


Did Jesus promise him a life in heaven or the kingdom of God? No.
What Jesus meant was that he would be raised in the future and live on the New earth.



Can the thief enter God's Kingdom? No!
Why?
Cos he wasn't born of water and the spirit (i.e he wasn't born again). It's the holy spirit that gives birth to spiritual life.

Only some few population of the saints will rule/are ruling in heaven with Jesus Christ the king of kings

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is for power, not for being born again. In Acts 1, Jesus clearly told His disciples "Tarry ye in Jerusalem until ye be endowed with power (not until ye be born again) from on high."

The Holy Spirit begins His work of rebirth right from the time you receive the gospel message and believe. You have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is more than the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, it is you dwelling in the Holy Spirit. You are baptised, dipped or immersed into the Holy Spirit.

That's why Acts 1:8 says "and ye shall receive power (not and ye shall be born again) after the Holy Ghost is COME UPON (not come into) you.

You must be able to differentiate these two glorious events in the life of a believer.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
If it's the body that remains in the grave while the spirit is out, then which part of Jesus resurrected after three days, is it body, soul or spirit? Hebrews 5:7
According to Jesus all those in the grave will resurrect in the last day {John 5:28-29} so what happened to their spirit that's already in Paradise like the thief's?
Which part of a man will be judged, the body, the spirit or the soul?

The Lord Jesus Christ resurrected with His physical body. The Spirit returned into the body. Just like the resurrections He worked during His earthly ministry.

The spiritual components of man would be judged - the soul housed by the spirit. The body is for the grave.

The spirits of just men in paradise would return into a celestial body at the resurrection. Please study the whole chapter of 1Cor. 15.

1 Cor. 15:44 says:
"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

Don't be deceived. God would give the spirit a spiritual body that can no longer die during the resurrection.

Jude 1:14

"Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints."

The Word 'cometh' suggests that they've been together and therefore will be coming together. But as scripture interprets scripture, we understand that "the dead in Christ shall rise first..
and we shall all meet the Lord in the sky." I do not see the old testament saints in this ressurection. Those who resurrect are 'the dead in Christ' only.
The old testament saints resurrected when Christ arose:

Mathew 27:52-53

"...and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many."

Meanwhile, while upbraiding the saduccees for their error. Jesus said Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are alive because when you say God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, you're referring to the God of the living and not the God of the dead.

Now, there's evidence that new testament saints are currently active and alive.

John the writer of Revelation had many encounters with such saints on the island of Patmos. Thinking they're angels, he nearly worshipped one of them in the end of his visions in Revelation 22:9:

"But he said, “No, don’t worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers the prophets, as well as all who obey what is written in this book. Worship only God."

AntiChristian:
You still have no Bible verse for the creation and destination of a soul after death. All you have is for spirit.

This still proves that spirit= Soul.

When God breath his spirit in to Adam it brought about a living soul.

When humans die the spirit or soul departs.

Spirit= Soul.

No Bible verse exist that generates the soul except with the spirit.

The Spirit houses the Soul. Wherever the Spirit is, that's where the Soul will be. This is the reason why you are confused, not being able to differentiate the one from the other. They're always together but are distinct components of man.

David prophesied Psalm 16:10:

For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

There's no need to start separating spirit and soul in any discussion because it is generally understood that they are conjoined. Except in the context of washing and sanctification where the Holy Spirit wants us to know that all 3 components need to be washed.

AntiChristian:
You still have no Bible verse for the creation and destination of a soul after death. All you have is for spirit.

This still proves that spirit= Soul.

When God breath his spirit in to Adam it brought about a living soul.

When humans die the spirit or soul departs.

Spirit= Soul.

No Bible verse exist that generates the soul except with the spirit.

The Spirit houses the Soul. Wherever the Spirit is, that's where the Soul will be. This is the reason why you are confused, not being able to differentiate the one from the other. They're always together but are distinct components of man.

MaxInDHouse:
So his spirit was not in the grave, shey?

OK what part of that thief went with him, soul, body or spirit?

Lol. Are you this ignorant?

Spirits don't reside in graves my brother. Only the body returns to dust.

Don't believe what I say, believe the Bible. I gave you scriptural references for my position.

Speaklove:
You have reduced my burden and help make justice to their questions,arguments and objections .
Thank you very much .
I was also attending to some discussions on this very thread and other threads .
But you've help uphold the truth.

May God continue to fill your with wisdom.

Amen brother. May the Lord richly reward your labour of love.

MaxInDHouse:
Then you've gotten it all complicated!
You need to know why Christians in the first century were baptizing their followers. Such a person must accept all the teachings of Jesus Christ and prepared to live by the utterances of Jesus if not the Christians won't pray with such a person {John 17:8-9} that's what Jesus taught them. It's after they've confirmed that an individual is ready to live by Christ's teachings that they will baptize him/her. Matthew 28:19-20
Any baptized member who refuses to live by his baptism will be DISFELLOWSHIPED {1Corinthians 5:9-13} but unbaptized individuals associating them are referred to as interested persons (not Christians) because they've not decided to live by the law of the Christ! Galatians 6:2

But BORN AGAIN Christians are those who were chosen directly by Godo Himself even Jesus has no say here so nobody can choose to be a BORN AGAIN all what you can do is to be a Christian and live by the law of Christ but as for burn again only God choose who will rule with His son! Matthew 20:20-23

Read my post again. We're on the same page.

MaxInDHouse:
Did Jesus go anywhere within the next three days after his death?

Well the answer is NO!
He remained in his grave for the next three days {Act 2:27; 13:35} until his father and God remembered him for his Godly devotion! Hebrews 5:7

So the correct interpretation of Luke 23:43 say "i promise you today, you will be with me in Paradise"

His body was in the grave for 3 days but obviously, not His Spirit. During that time in the grave, the scriptures say:

"...he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;"

His Spirit preached to other spirits that were imprisoned in Hades.

Now, we can never tell if He was in any other place other than Hades but one thing we know: He keeps His promises.

That promise He made "Today, thou shalt be with me in paradise." Shall not fail. He must surely have fulfilled that promise same day.

AntiChristian:
The body can magnify and rejoice at the same time. The soul/spirit can do both. The name is used interchangeably.



Same analysis. Repetition of soul and spirit as they mean the same thing.



Where in the Bible does it say Adam's created body came with soul?

When man dies where do the components go according to the Bible?

The Bible does not make repeatitions of same thing with different names in same verse. This is consistent throughout the scriptures. The words spirit, soul and body are deliberate. Simple English makes you understand that the word and is used to when different and dissimilar things are being considered.

Spirit or soul, and body would have been the right way to put it if both soul and spirit meant the same thing.

Spirit, Soul and Body means Spirit and Soul and Body. Three distinct entities.

The spirit is the life giving force of the soul and body. Where no spirit is, there's no life.

Now, let me explain the creation of the Adam.

Genesis 2:7

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Here in the verse quoted above, we see all three components of man.

1. The body formed from clay.

2. The soul which became a living soul. For something to become alive, it must have previously existed in a non-living state.

3. The breath of life signifying the spirit which transformed both body and soul into a living being.

The body returns to earth at death. Both spirit and soul return to God to be judged for the time spent on earth.

Ecclesiastes 12:7

"Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it."

The dust signifying the body returns to the earth. The spirit which is the habitation of the soul returns to God.

It is the Spirit and the soul that makes a complete man. The body only houses the spirit on earth. The Spirit houses the soul for all eternity.

MaxInDHouse:
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be here on planet earth according to God's promise for them and all other ancient servants of God! Psalms 37:29; Psalms 115:16
So when Jesus talked about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the Jews knew that it's the promises of God for them that he's talking about.
But Jesus supposed to stay in Jerusalem with his cabinet all trained by him {Isaiah 2:3; 9:7} this is what changed as Jerusalem was condemned {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} so he's taking his cabinet to another destination {John 14:1-4} that's why his chosen ones must be BORN not of flesh and blood but by the spirit so they can become like angels! Luke 20:36

So it's God (the Father) that will select these set of people only from among those trained by Jesus {Matthew 20:20-23} that's why faithful servants of God like Abel to John the baptist can't qualified because they never received that training from the Christ himself! Matthew 11:11

Smiles. How dare you twist the words spoken by the Lord Himself? I choose to believe only the words of the Lord Jesus..

He said to the thief, "today, you will be with me in paradise." He also promised that we would all dine together with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. From my understanding of scripture, all saints would be together in same place. However, the new testament saints would be given higher roles and authority. That's why Jesus said "He that is least in the Kingdom of God is greater than John the Baptist." Meanwhile John the Baptist is greater than all saints before him.

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry it's either you're a Christian or not.
There is nothing like in a fallen state after one has chosen to live a Christlike life. Of course that's what quantifies a Christian not just being a Churchgoer!

Yes. By the word Christian, I meant church-goer, because I thought that was your understanding. The general understanding outdear is to call everyone who goes to church a Christian but those of us who have encountered the truth know that they're mere churchgoers it they're not born again.

A Christian is a disciple of Christ who has chosen a Christlike life in the midst of this polluted world.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid the confusion is yours, not mine. Matthew 4 vs 4 there speaks of Living according to the Words of of God's mouth, not just the 4 Gospels, so I am not sure where you get that assumption from.

And as I am aware, quoted in scripture are the words of men, the words of even Satan, demons and devils, and also the Word of God - quotes attributed to God Himself, from Genesis to Revelation.

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Back to the issue at hand....1. I don't entirely understand your question there but I will attempt it anyways. When God created man in Genesis 2 vs 6- 7, God breathed life of a temporal kind into man at that point, the same breath of course was breathed by God into the animals as we are told in Genesis 6 vs 1 - 7

2. There is absolutely no church that stands on the Gospel , Jesus Christ,this since Jesus Christ never commanded any of His followers to build Him monuments. Jesus Christ instead said that His Church, He builds Himself.

Nor did Jesus Christ appoint men as mogs or pastors over His sheep. He said He alone is Teacher, Shepherd, Authority, Master etc., over each and everyone who belongs in His flock - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10

3. So you don't believe in Him because He did not write you a book or something?

"Man shall not live by bread alone but by everyword that comes out of the Mouth of God" - Matthew 4 vs 4

That is what Jesus Christ decreed leading to Trusting and obeying that which is God's Law and commandments to you, Jesus Christ, the same one who it is written of that God Himself spoke from Heaven commanding that you obey Him.

Since the scriptures are the words of men according to you. How do you as a person hear the words of God?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is an error!

All of us are subjected to the FLESH that's why even the BORN AGAIN Christians in the first century most times struggle with the FLESH! Romans 7:15-25
Apostle Peter succumb to the FLESH after his baptism Into the spirit! Galatians 2:11-14

The only difference between the BORN AGAIN Christians and Christians like me is their quick adjustable mode and fast adaptation to whatever the spirit says. So while they're in the forefront we follow their footsteps when there is any need to act on what we are all learning! Hebrews 13:7

That's why we need to IDENTIFY the gathering where these people are because even though they are imperfect humans like everyone of us they're the salt preserving us and light that shines upon us! Matthew 5:13-16

We are all prone to fleshly desires but are not all ruled by it.

"There's therefore now, no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit." Romans 8:1

Christians who are not born again walk completely after the flesh, being ruled by it. They are in a fallen state.

The born again Christian is not in a continuous attitude of sin or worldliness. He may fall but he rises up again.

The righteous man falleth seven times and riseth up again.

MaxInDHouse:
You're mixing it all up Sir.

The Spirit of God worked with all faithful servants of God from Abel till John the baptist but none of them qualified to be in the heavenly realm of God's Kingdom where Jesus and the Born Again Christians will be {Matthew 11:11} so even though God's Holy Spirit works with me while preaching and teaching as a Christian in my neighbourhood but that's totally different from baptism of God's Holy Spirit which never happened to any servant of God before John the baptist!

In Mathew 8:11, While upbraiding the Pharisees, Jesus told us something concerning those who would become born again:

I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

We would all be in the same place and even dine together according to the scriptures. Those saints of old had salvation just as we do, but they're not baptised in the Holy Spirit.

MaxInDHouse:
You're mixing it all up Sir.

The Spirit of God worked with all faithful servants of God from Abel till John the baptist but none of them qualified to be in the heavenly realm of God's Kingdom where Jesus and the Born Again Christians will be {Matthew 11:11} so even though God's Holy Spirit works with me while preaching and teaching as a Christian in my neighbourhood but that's totally different from baptism of God's Holy Spirit which never happened to any servant of God before John the baptist!

In Mathew 8:11, While upbraiding the Pharisees, Jesus told us something concerning those who would become born again:

I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

We would all be in the same place and even dine together according to the scriptures.

Truthisunique2:
If osinbajo have solution to the problem of this country what stops him from giving his master his solution to use in the numerous NEC he Co chairs?

Verdict-- Osinbajo is a clueless duck looking to continue from where buhari stopped

Is this the first time you would be hearing that Buhari doesn't take to advise? That's actually expected of a soldier.

paxonel:
are there Christians that are not born again, what's the difference?

Yes. In fact most Christians are not born again.

The difference is that the Christian who is not born again is canal. He is ruled by the flesh. He rejoices in iniquity just like everyone else.

The born again Christian has an encounter with the Holy Spirit through the Word of God. He feels bad when he sins. He is not ruled by fleshly desires. He is always wanting to please God. He delights in fellowship, and enjoys studying the word of God. His spirit is alive.

MaxInDHouse:
The 120 disciples who happens to be in the upper room at Pentecost all got baptized with the spirit so they became BORN AGAIN that very moment {Act 2:1-3} but there were 500 of them that met Jesus on the day he ascended to heaven {1Corinthians 15:6} So while all those 500 were true disciples only 120 became BORN AGAIN at Pentecost.



NO! The thief was never baptized at all until his death {John 3:5-6} so his place in God's Kingdom will be Paradise earth {Psalms 37:9-11, 29} like John the baptist a faithful prophet but never got baptized by the Holy Spirit! Matthew 11:11

Stop disturbing yourself. The scriptures say in 1Peter 1:21 that we are born again by the incorruptible Word of God, not by Holy Spirit Baptism. The Spirit of God in the Word of God births us into God's family. We become born of the Spirit by the Word.

Ephesians 1:13 says:

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit.

You were included in Christ when you believed the gospel. You were then sealed with the promised Holy Spirit (Baptisms of the Holy Spirit, also called the Promise of the Father in Acts 1). You are sealed by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, not born again by it. Here, both 1Peter 1:21 and Ephesians 1:13 are in agreement.

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't entirely understand your question there but I will attempt it anyways. When God created man in Genesis 2 vs 6- 7, God breathed life of a temporal kind into man at that point, the same breath of course was breathed by God into the animals as we are told in Genesis 6 vs 1 - 7

2. There is absolutely no church that stands on the Gospel , Jesus Christ,this since Jesus Christ never commanded any of His followers to build Him monuments. Jesus Christ instead said that His Church, He builds Himself.

Nor did Jesus Christ appoint men as mogs or pastors over His sheep. He said He alone is Teacher, Shepherd, Authority, Master etc., over each and everyone who belongs in His flock - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10

3. So you don't believe in Him because He did not write you a book or something?

"Man shall not live by bread alone but by everyword that comes out of the Mouth of God" - Matthew 4 vs 4

That is what Jesus Christ decreed leading to Trusting and obeying that which is God's Law and commandments to you, Jesus Christ, the same one who it is written of that God Himself spoke from Heaven commanding that you obey Him.

Can you read what you just posted above? You sound very confused.

You were the one saying you believe only what Jesus said and not what others wrote in their epistles.

I asked you that, the 4 gospels where Jesus spoke and acted were not written by Jesus Himself. I'm trying to let you know that if you don't believe in all the writings and sayings that were not made by Jesus, then you must also reject the four gospels because they were not written by Him.

There's a lot of folly in your position.

In Mathew 28:20, it was Jesus who commanded His disciples to go into all the world and preach the gospel

"...and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

See, He also sent them to 'teach them to obey.'

In John 16, He told them He has many things to tell them but that they cannot bear them now, but when the Spirit of Truth cones, He would guide them into all truth.

Now, these same disciples were the sane people who wrote the New Testaments. With the exception of Mark, Paul and Jude. All other writes were the same disciples whom Jesus sent to teach you and I. What they taught, they also put into writing. Rejecting what they taught is an automatic rejection of Jesus Himself because He was the One who sent them to teach.

In Like 10:16. The Lord Jesus authorised them by saying:

"He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me."

Going by Luke 10:16, you're guilty of rejecting the Lord Jesus, and the Father Himself.

cornelboy:
John 3:3-6
[3]Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
[4]“What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?”
[5]Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
[6]Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

At verse 3, Jesus said no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born again.
Nicodemus asked what he meant by being born again at verse 4.
Jesus later explained that it means being born of water and spirit.

So before you could be born again, you have to hear the word of God and believe first, that's get saved according to Romans 10:9&10 and then you can now be born of the spirit.

Hope you now understand what Peter meant at 1 Peter 1:21?

If you were a born again, it means you heard the living word of God, you believed and then you were later baptized by the holy spirit (born of the spirit) through any means God used.

Jesus was very clear on what born again means.

Let me ask you these questions. The disciples who walked with the Lord Jesus, who cast out devils in Luke 9 and 10, and who gathered in the upper room to fast and seek the face of the Lord in expectation of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, were they born again?

The malefactor on the right hand of Jesus on Calvary, whom Jesus promised, 'Today, you shall be with me in paradise." Was he born again?

I maintain the position of the scriptures that a man is saved by the word of faith and empowered by the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Many who are not baptised in the Holy Spirit would make heaven as the malefactor did. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate experience from being born again. The disciples were born again before the day of Pentecost. The European Eunuch to whom Philip preached was also born again though he was not baptised in the Holy Spirit. The scriptures testified that he went home rejoicing. That's the joy of salvation.

If you still hold a contrary opinion, then answer my two questions above.

You ought to understand that the Word of God is Spirit. John 1 says, it's God. John 6:63 says "it's Spirit and life." That's what gives it the ability to birth a new creature in Christ.

cornelboy:
John 3:3-6
[3]Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
[4]“What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?”
[5]Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
[6]Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

At verse 3, Jesus said no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born again.
Nicodemus asked what he meant by being born again at verse 4.
Jesus later explained that it means being born of water and spirit.

So before you could be born again, you have to hear the word of God and believe first, that's get saved according to Romans 10:9&10 and then you can now be born of the spirit.

Hope you now understand what Peter meant at 1 Peter 1:21?

If you were a born again, it means you heard the living word of God, you believed and then you were later baptized by the holy spirit (born of the spirit) through any means God used.

Jesus was very clear on what born again means.

Let me ask you these questions. The disciples who walked with the Lord Jesus, who cast out devils in Luke 9 and 10, and who gathered in the upper room to fast and seek the face of the Lord in expectation of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, were they born again?

The malefactor on the right hand of Jesus on Calvary, whom Jesus promised, 'Today, you shall be with me in paradise." Was he born again?

I maintain the position of the scriptures that a man is saved by the word of faith and empowered by the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Many who are not baptised in the Holy Spirit would make heaven as the malefactor did. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate experience from being born again. The disciples were born again before the day of Pentecost. The European Eunuch to whom Philip preached was also born again though he was not baptised in the Holy Spirit. The scriptures testified that he went home rejoicing. That's the joy of salvation.

If you still hold a contrary opinion, then answer my two questions above.

AntiChristian:
I asked a simple question that doesn't need these long prose.

Adam was created in the Bible. Show us the verses that specifically mentions spirit plus Soul?

Since this is not available then we have to agree Adam has two components Viz body and Soul. Soul = Spirit.

QED.

The Bible clearly distinguishes between the Spirit and the Soul. I'll give you two references:

Luke 1:46-47

And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.

Above, Mary's soul magnifies while her spirit rejoices.

1 Thessalonians 5:23

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May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Above, God is will keep all three components of man blameless. And, all three arranged in the order of hierachy- Spirit, Soul and Body.

In my previous post, I analysed the workings of all components to see how they're distinguished in their operations.

In the narration of Adam's creation, the objective was to show how man came into being, and not what components a man is made of. The creation account therefore emphasises only the body which received the Breath of God to become a living soul. Mind you, a soul was in the body but it was not alive until the breath came. Without the spirit, both soul and body are dead.

AntiChristian:
I asked a simple question that doesn't need these long prose.

Adam was created in the Bible. Show us the verses that specifically mentions spirit plus Soul?

Since this is not available then we have to agree Adam has two components Viz body and Soul. Soul = Spirit.

QED.

The Bible clearly distinguishes between the Spirit and the Soul. I'll give you two references:

Luke 1:46-47

And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.

Above, Mary's soul magnifies while her spirit rejoices.

1 Thessalonians 5:23

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May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Above, God is will keep all three components of man blameless. And, all three arranged in the order of hierachy- Spirit, Soul and Body.

In my previous post, I analysed the workings of all components to see how they're distinguished in their operations.

DoggoneDogg:
From Nigeria to Morocco and Morocco to Europe to compete with Russian gas domination in Europe.


Watch Putin bomb this pipeline like he bombed the Syrian own.

If Putin should try this with us Buhari will nuke Russia

DoggoneDogg:
From Nigeria to Morocco and Morocco to Europe to compete with Russian gas domination in Europe.


Watch Putin bomb this pipeline like he bombed the Syrian own.

If Putin should try this with us< Buhari will nuke Russia