₦airaland Forum

akinsadeez:
It means judgments are deemed to be operational after they are given. They don't work retrospectively.
I have a feeling we will always agree to disagree. let me give a final analogy and rest my case.
A man who kills someone in broad daylight with witnesses around is deemed to be innocent under our law until a competent court declares him guilty. This means he has basically the same rights of any citizen like you and I. Immediately the court pronounces him guilty however, those rights cease, not before.
Same way the election of this man, even though he might have colluded with Inec is still deemed valid and with it all accompanying rights until the supreme court declared otherwise.
There is no allegation here that his Inec certificate was forged. He should not be asked to return salaries earned while he was having a valid certificate. However if he was paid any salary after the court's declaration he is bound to return same.

I rest my case. shalom!

And when judgements are made on cases, they don't apply retrospectively to illegal actions?

If Nigeria finally gets a sane and incorruptible President (after this crooked fuuktard called Jonathan) and the government wants to reclaim the oil block Etete awarded himself and which Jonathan helped him legalise and loot us for, we can't take it and all the revenue he has made on it because "he believed he was the legitimate owner" before?

So when the murderers right ceases, his crime is not retrospective?

majekdom2:
the average nigerian is a crook but does not mean they dont do things right.

And who said Nigerians don't do things right?

seanet02:
You are right to some extent. But that is the way in Nigerian politics. godfathers sponsoring their anointed ones. Just that Tinubu have a way of selecting performing governors.

I know, but if I do not see any indication of a second party sponsor, I will assume he is a crook.

In corruption in Nigeria, any lack of transparency of source of funds in my view is a case of guilty until proven innocent.

akinsadeez:
Bro, judgment is not retrospective. Whatever the collusion between him and inec, His inec certificate only became fraudulent in the eyes of the law the moment it was declared so by the court and not a minute before. This means that until that very day that he was declared illegal, he had all the rights and privileges of a state legislator.

What do you mean judgement is not retrospective?

So we can only judge crime that will happen in future, not the one that happened in the past?

If he is aware his sitting there is as a result of a (or his) fraud, he has no entitlement befitting the seat!

akinsadeez:
I didn't give an example of someone who stole a car. I gave an example of someone who bought a car at a legitimate public auction not knowing he was buying a stolen car. Yes, he can argue in court that he bought the car legitimately and was given proper certificates. The best the court can do is to tell him to return the car to the original owner. the court cannot tell him to return money he earned while using the car. Why? Because until the court declared the car to be stolen, he was driving a legitimate car.

Well I gave an example of someone that stole a car that he knows should not be his, just like this guy stole an election that he knows should not be his. Such a person has no recourse to the law for his expenses during his illegal activities but is liable to any loss to another party as a result of it.

Armed robber no fit ask for refund of his bullets before facing death sentence.

A drugs courier cannot ask for refund of his flight ticket from NDLEA because he missed his flight.

ilugunboy:
He was the man behind the success story of Lagos in term of revenue generation. When OBJ decided to withhold Lagos allocation, he was the AG that devised the formula for Lagos to call of the bluff of the FG.

Presently many states in Nigeria are copying the same template the man implemented.

Reading his profile, he appears to be a highly-skilled civil servant.

seanet02:
I have always thought he was already into consultancy before joining the civil service.
As for the money he is spending. Jagaban financed Fashola's election and is doing so to Ambode again.

He does not appear to have. He spent 27 years as a civil servant.

That leaves the option of him being sponsored by the party. I read the article clearly and did not see anywhere where it said the party paid for it, that is why I called him a crook.

duni04:
Na wa o! I was having an insult free exchange with someone else and then you come from nowhere and quote me with insults. Please face your lane. If you can't contribute without insulting me then run along. Thanks

Two things when you are contributing opinions publicly:

1) Use your brain

2) Make sense

If you can't do that, you honestly NEED to shut up.

akinsadeez:
The two situations don't tally at all. The man who stole the car spent his money on a car which he stole himself and which he knows to be stolen.

In this case, Whichever way you look at it and whether you like it or not, Inec gave the man a certificate of return meaning that as at the time he was being paid he was paid as a legal and legitimate member of the house. That means in law he was being paid legitimately for the services he was rendering as a legislator. It is absolutely different from someone spending money on a car which in the eyes of the law was stolen.


To twist your own example if I buy a car at a public auction and it turns out it was stolen car. If for whatever reason the court asks me to return the car to the rightful owner, it does not make sense for the court to also ask me to return the money I earned using the car. This is because as at the time I was using the car in the eyes of the law I was the rightful owner until the judgment of the court saying otherwise.

The man here earned the salaries as a legislator with a valid INEC certificate. If you have a man who was not declared elected by Inec, but one way or another was able to spend years in office, in that case the court can ask him to refund all salaries because the payment of the salaries itself was illegal.
You have to look at issues deeply from the angle of the law

Mate, are you saying he was not aware he was no more the sponsored candidate of the Democratic Peoples Party before taking his seat?

Has the INEC certificate he got not been declared by the courts as basically fraudulent?

In your twist, you think someone that stole a car can have an argument "he believes he was the legitimate owner"?

He can believe this because the government car registration body gave him certificate of ownership?

mbulela:
guy leave academic credentials. He has never sounded intelligent to me.
Besides, i see nothing special in his CV (unless I did not look well,pls post it here). It just looked slightly above average.
You cannot compare the likes of Hamzat and even Ambode to mediocres like Omisore.
The likes of Akinwummi the Agric minister make more sense as intellectual than men of simple minds like Omisore.

He looks more of a demi-god, holding the keys to the passageway to the supreme God, to men like Omisore!

duni04:
Omisore is actually supossed to be an intelligent person with his academic credentials but he doesn't act it. You should see his CV, its quite heavy.

Kindly explain to us "what" about his academic credentials makes him look like an intelligent person.

seanet02:
He was already into his consultancy business before Tinubu drag him into the civil service as a permanent secretary. And he has already made it big before that

Not according to his own website.

http://akinwunmiambode.com/biography-public-finance-consultant/

barcanista:
Lol, I use to be an admirer of Koro, because he was an Achiever as LGA Chairman, Lagos Island, a class as Home Affairs Commissioner and indeed a distinguished Senator. But he gradually started losing it....

1. He Supported Obj's 3rd term bid on the floor of the Senate, which is against the consensus of Lagos Central
2. He defected to the same PDP that held Lagos Council funds for 2years(as at the time he defected) through the Federal Government despite a Supreme Court ruling. Imagine a State WIthout LGA allocation for 2 years(and later three).
3. Obasanjo led PDP had no federal presence in Lagos and the entire South West.
4. As Min of State For Defense, he stopped a Housing Project for Lagos Indigens using the Military. All because of Politics.
5, He seems to have lost the spark he had in 2007. He has gone full thuggery.
6. The Korobucci will not sell in Lagos, Lagos is not Ekiti where mediocrity is is rewarded. What is Korobucci? is governance in Lagos an entertainment or a nollywood? It is a serious business my brother
7. Koro have been transformed to another Omisore of Osun State(This man was once a vibrant intellectual).

WTF! Are you reetarded?

majekdom2:
how are you sure he didnt have his own firm of consultants ... people just think as long as you are in government , you have no other legal means of making money....

You mean the one he started 2 years ago?

duni04:
Stop trying to play smart. He hasn't done anything worthy of note to merit becoming our governor. His only claim to that position is Tinubus anointing. Nobody knows this guy. Of all the APC candidates, Ambode is the one that has contributed the least to Lagos. Ganiyu Solomon has served Lagos in the Senate for so long, Ikuforiji has served Lagos as speaker for long, Hamzat has been Fasholas anchor man all these years, helping to reconstruct Lagos. Even Agbaje in the PDP has done more for Lagos.
Ambode is a nonentity, no interesting qualities or achievements. Nothing!
Ambode should just be quoting and thanking Tinubu during his campaign tours cos that's all he has, he hasn't done shît for Lagos.

Another product of a failed education system.

So by virtue of being in a position for long is your evidence the person has contributed?

topeorekoy:
Thousands of party members defied Friday’s hot, scorching sun to cheer Akinwunmi Ambode as he announced his intention to run for governor in Lagos in 2015.

Inside a capacity filled Onikan Stadium, in Lagos island, members of the All Progressives Congress, APC, in colourful attires waved brooms and gyrated to loud music belching out from giant loudspeakers.

The first rally to be organized by a gubernatorial candidate in Lagos ahead of the 2015 elections, Mr. Ambode said he was putting himself forward because of an inherent self-belief of his qualities to pilot the affairs of the state.

Before he climbed the podium for his declaration speech, Mr. Ambode, sporting a blue native cap on a white attire and accompanied by burly, plain-clothed security men, moved around the stadium waving his two brooms, clutched in both hands, to the crowd.
The crowd responded in a frenzy.

Inside the stadium, fuji artiste, Wasiu Alabi (popularly known as Pasuma); and hip hop stars M.I and Olamide took turns to perform on a make-shift stage.


http://topeorekoya..com/2014/10/photos-akinwunmi-ambode-formally.html#more

Bloody crook!

Where did a career state civil servant get the money for all this fanfare?

Thief!

Sincere9gerian:
Even after the NSA had admitted that his office was directly responsible for the failed arms deal yet some ethnic bigot are still heaping the blame on a pastor who swore he had no hand in deal and who was exonerated by the NSA. How come no one is calling on the NSA to resign? Is it because the NSA is Fulani while the pastor is southsouth?

You are a cretinous fuuktard!

Why would the NSA be using private jet to fly money?

Is the NSA some trustworthy body we should believe whatever it says after the facts?

Who does the NSA answer to?

Jonathan gets his loot back.

This was the way his shepopotamus' agent was caught traveling with suitcases of money out of the country.

https://www.nairaland.com/598976/patience-jonathan-one-nigerias-treasury

GEJ till 5287!

akinsadeez:
Salary Refund? that's weird.

I am of the opinion that the supreme court justices in this case have allowed their emotions to override their sense of law. I quite understand that they are very displeased with Inec's blatant complicity in denying the petitioner his right but they awarded 650,000 naira cost against both Inec and the respondent in this case. The salary refund is like double killing.

The salary that the man was paid was for basically for the services/functions that he rendered as a member of the state house of assembly. Now can the supreme court also order that all comments, arguments that the man proffered on the floor of the house be erased? Can they order that all the bills and motions that the man might have introduced be wiped off the record.

Oyinlola as governor of Osun state had spent almost the four years of his second term before the court declared Aregbesola as the rightfully elected governor. Imagine the court now giving an order that he should return all the salaries he earned for the three years he illegally occupied the seat. To justify that, you have to find a way of also reversing all the projects he did in those three years because he was paid for functioning as the governor.

To me, this seems like another Amaechi kinda judgment. The supreme court might be setting a dangerous precedent.

Your argument fails.

If someone steals a vehicle used for taxi-ing, and the courts says he should return the vehicle and all the earnings he earned while using it, do you think it would make sense for him to say "well, the court too should give me back the money I spent refurbishing, pimping and maintaining it before I give it back to the owner"?

iconize:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Xb2wbg-tY

ROFLMAO!

iconize:

Homofucktard, because you are so gay ...............


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ROFLMAO!

iconize:
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You say this ......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xypH2FqOFY

You admitted it.

iconize:

You say this ......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xypH2FqOFY

iconize:
You're really pained!

I'm no match for you? yet I pummeled you to stupor on Wednesday. Even your comrade petrodullard knows his boundaries.

Homofucktard, the only way you can pummel a man is up the arsse.

Not intellectually.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xypH2FqOFY

iconize:
This....

You say this ......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xypH2FqOFY

overhypedsteve:
how you take catch that mumu Ghana boi?

The homofucktard has publicly confessed he is gay and part of the gay community.

iconize:
Is this not your homo biatch professing love to you and also asking me to stop beating you?



Have you changed your diapers?

You say this ......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xypH2FqOFY

iconize:
Fiction vs reality.

Is this not your homo partner professing love to you?

You say this ......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xypH2FqOFY

iconize:
Is this not your homo biatch professing love to you? ;d

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xypH2FqOFY

iconize:
Fiction vs reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yZZsALXOXg

You have said you are an homosexual.

iconize:
Fagggotmoron, "speak English to my ears here on NL" or I'll tell peeps how you've been begging guys to be your biatch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yZZsALXOXg

You have said you are an homosexual.

iconize:
Fagggotmoron, could you believe I read your comment with my ears?

Such a m_oron!



I'll finish you off now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yZZsALXOXg

You have said you are a homoerotic arssse-shagger.

iconize:
Sagamoronic fagggot, I want to "hear you with my eyes speaking English here on NL".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yZZsALXOXg

You have said you are an homosexual na.