₦airaland Forum

tymicjay77:
Wrong Policy at wrong time.... The phenomenon happening in Northern part of the country will spread soonest. The best and easiest time to learn is when you are still young. If your mother tongue and host community language is being spoken at home what is the essence of taking it to school?. This so call policy makers are taking their children abroad for better learning but they are planning and making policy that will crumble the masses children so they will not be able to compete with their children that have study abroad.
Imagine a mathematics teacher teaching a class with Igbo language only for the student to now go outside the country for competition and the level ground is English, how will the student Excel. Or you are teaching an English subject using hausa, how will the students familiarize themselves with what you are teaching them .
That policy can only work well in a country that is self reliance (technological wise, innovation, academically) .if you are copying India, a lot of academical books are written in their native language so they have the innovation and technology already... Maybe they should first start by making sure Instructional materials are ready and available before making such policy otherwise they are only making students lazy more. Now that most graduate can hardly write or speak correctly written sentence without error. Imagine what it will now become in few years to come when this policy would have done so much damages

This policy will only be good if the instructional
materials are also available in all mother tongues. So there wouldn't be need to read with language A and learn with language B.
Do we have any mathematics or chemistry or physics text book written in any Nigerian mother tongues yet so why passing such policy.
Is only in Nigeria we make silly policy without doing the necessary steps first, all this country we intend to copy have this text written in their langues so English language is just an alternative to them but us here in Nigeria, English language is not an alternative is a compulsory because a lot is written in english

This is just purely moronic!

Kids in other countries that produce far more advanced human beings than the junks Nigeria produce, learn from young age multiple languages and it does not affect their education, maths or ability to speak English.

They would smash your fone kids in Mathematics, even though the competition is in English and they were taught maths in Danish. That point is just pure moronic!

What is so hard in converting primary school books to local languages?

This colomentality is a disease that fights back harder than Covid-19 and HIV.

Who told you all these countries had all the books in their languages before they made the policy?

Just any excuse to resist and continue engaging in your colomentality?

Armaggedon:
Like the example you gave, Majority of Nigerians are bilingual too with their mother tongue and lingual franca. what you can't do is to force another indigenous language (a third language) on someone in the name of education. If you don't get it, i can't help you again.

Stop talking crap!

Many middle & upper class Nigerian kids today are not multilingual, and the language they are letting go is their mother tongue.

That is not the case in the countries I mentioned. If there is a language they are not learning, it would not be their mother tongue because they value themselves.

If you don't want to learn the language of your host community and your host community has said it is compulsory every one that lives there learn it, you know what you can do?

Get the fucccck out. You fuuuck off out of that place, no one is forcing you.

You don't go and live in Dubai and say they should not force your kids to learn Arabic. If you don't like it, you ............sweetly fuuuck off!

You can fuuuck off to anywhere you want to learn the language. You don't tell them not to set the rules that best suits their needs because of your outsider ass.

No one is forcing you, you are free to leave.

Armaggedon:
Again you are wrong. No one has right to move anyone away from any part of the country. Provided we are still one country, every body has the right to leave anywhere he wishes and be taught in his language. If this fact unsettles any one, he should fight to have his own country and win the power to impose your language on foreigners.

No one is forcing you to move away. It is you choice.

But you cannot go to another region and demand they follow your wish and desires. If you don't like their ways, don't live there.

I cannot go and live in Sokoto and then tell them that on Friday afternoons they make dumb and unnecessary noise, they need to stop because I like my low noise life.

It is up to majority of them to decide what kind of reasonable rules they want in their society that is aligned to the constitution. If I don't like it, I fcccck off and go live somewhere else!

If you are in Germany, you will not whine they are imposing their language on you and say "it is not international enough".

And cut the "official" crap. Official does not impose on a people a denial of their right to promote, protect and sustain their language. If you don't like yours, that is your problem. If you don't like theirs, fccck you! Stay in your village.

tete7000:
So when I said you have low intelligence, you can now understand. It's only when it becomes a language of instruction that the people who fail master it now can now do?

Don't jump it.

Creeetin, do you know the difference between "taught in school" and "language of instruction in school"?

tete7000:
Was there anytime mother languages were not taught in schools, olodo?

Creeetin, do you know the difference between "taught in school" and "language of instruction in school"?

And this is one of the people who says continuation of using English as language of instruction is schools helps with superior comprehension. Yet he cannot comprehend nada.

BigBashiru:
The idea is a very good one for the simple fact that we are not British subjects... we are not a british colony....we are not europeans....someone said today Canada and USA are referred to as "English speaking countries" but english is not the original language of those places. language = identity. do we really want to end up like the native north american tribes and become an "English speaking country"?

The peoples that have over centuries lost their languages are fighting hard to get and bring it back today. The likes of the Welsh, Scottish, Ameridians, Irish, former Soviet republics etc.

But we black people are fighting to ensure we lose ours and our total identity. We are offering and implementing the loss ourselves and it is the upper echelon of the most educated amongst us leading the charge.

You go around and look at people you know born between 1970 to 1990 that live in cities and earn N200K per month and above, then study what proportion have kids that speak the indigenous languages.

When you go to events, watch parents. The parents would be speaking the indigenous languages amongst themselves, family and friends and then when their kids come close and they want to communicate with the kids, they automatically switch too English.

Go and study it!

What a fucckking race!

tete7000:
All your brain can think about is that everyone wants to Japa. So shallow minded and moronic of you to think people who don't agree with your inferiority complex do so because they want to japa. Òde ni ẹ... Let me help you out in my mother's language. We attended school, we were taught in English but that didn't dimindh our ability to communicate in our mothers' tongue. We speak it well, can write it fluently while at the same time appreciate the role English language plays in allowing us integrate with other people not from our local tribe. Only moronic and inferior people like you associate English language only with colonialism. Long after they conised your fore fathers, you still remained colonised in your mentality... Shior!!!

You are a moooronic creeetin!

It is inferiority complex to think teaching your mother tongue in schools is useless. Yes, many countries you would kill to japa to, and whose citizens you kiss their ass when they come to Nigeria, teach their kids their mother tongue in school. The speakers of their mother tongue are less than Yoruba speakers. And I am sure if you japa to these places and your kids attend their schools and start speaking their local language fluently, you would be very proud. Black fooool!

Omugor, you are using yourself and siblings as anecdote. You are too daft to look around you and see that a large majority of middle-to-upper-class children today cannot speak indigenous languages? Colomentality reetard!

Judolisco:
most of us r really d cause in my office for example, there are 3 igbo guys they hardly communicate in igbo... They speak pure English... I do tackle them sef...

There was a time there was a white girl I was seeing and thought it was possible we could have kids together in future.

She speaks 3 languages and has 2 citizenships! I speak 2 languages and have 2 citizenships!

The only language we speak in common was English (although if you add the language of sex, we spoke that in common too) . We do not have any citizenship in common.

When I was thinking about it, I was thinking if I had kids with this girl, my kids would have 4 nationalities and 4 options of languages they would learn.

In my mind, it was clear I would have to give up the demand they learn Yoruba, because the woman raises kids and she did not speak it. So it would have been English and one of her other European languages they would have been speaking.

BigBashiru:
Sagamite earlier today you said Nigerians act like monkeys initially I was offended but after much thought I kinda agree....il open a thread about that later.....one big proof that Nigerians may be monkeys is the overly aggressive culture of always shouting at the slightest thing, rough aggressive driving not giving way to pedestrians etc

It seems you had a rough experience returning home from work in Lagos madness!

Nwakannaya1:
Primary school is not same as secondary, the foundation you need to excel in studies is laid in primary school.

If you instruct in local language in primary school and start instructing in English in secondary school, there would be a knowledge and comprehension lacuna in that child's life, this would be a result of the change in the pedagogy.

I was once a teacher in the north and I had to teach kids in secondary school in English, these were people who were taught in Hausa during their primary school. There was hardly communication, and when there's no communication learning hardly comes in. People who understood basic science taught in Hausa while in primary school can hardly understand basic science taught in English in secondary school. This is where I have my reservation for not reading the policy document, this is because there might be an arrangement to continue instructing in local languages beyond primary school which this news is not telling us. However, from what is available in this piece of news, the policy is poorly thought out, continuity and sustainability were binned.

Okay.

So how come Hong Kong students who are instructed in Chinese in primary and secondary school are able to do their undergrad, Masters and PhD in English then?

Nwakannaya1:
On the other hand, you suggested that pupils be tested for local language proficiency through an exam. This has its loophole because for instance people who speak English every day still fail English exam, people who speak Igbo still fail Igbo exam. Somehow, the policy would be denying secondary education to many people who could speak local language.

What kind of rubbish statement is this?

Your point is?

If someone fails an English or X language exam, i.e. a language which they speak, it is wrong to fail them?

Nwakannaya1:
Then, on a general note, when national cohesion and nation building is being pursued, there is usually serious need for language uniformity in the instruction of children, it is what they head as kids that they hold on to most. Even though they must have been taught the same thing in different languages, whenever there is need for them to meet, the difference would be conspicuous and competition for language supremacy would start creeping in.

If these do not still make sense to you, I'm afraid, no objective explanation would.

Total Nonsense!

You just came up with a pile of colomentality excuses to justify continued having colomentality.

So Canada does not have "cohesion" and "nation building" because one half operates in French and the other English?

Belgium does not have "cohesion" and "nation building" because one half operates in French and the other Dutch?

You can only get cohesion and build a nation when you speak fone, lose your identity and you are a drastically poor imitation of another people?

Stop talking colomentality nonsense.

Children have he capacity to learn multiple languages and operate in multiple languages if they are trained in them from young.

This foolish excuses of "I don't speak my indigenous language to my kids, so as not to confuse their ablity to learn English" does not fly.

I grew up going to public school and speaking 2 languages (Yoruba and English).

I still got A* in English in exams provided by a British examing board (not WAEC or NECO o) and went home to eat Eba & egusi and watch Fadeyi Oloro and Akere after the exams.

Many European kids grow up speaking 3 languages and can attend lectures in English, which is not their mother tongue. They would even pass an English test at a higher rate than those of you from an English speaking country like Nigeria (even if the population set is restricted to only those who grew up in VI, Ikoyi, Ikeja and Lekki).

Drop your colomentality!

Judolisco:
most of us r really d cause in my office for example, there are 3 igbo guys they hardly communicate in igbo... They speak pure English... I do tackle them sef...

Absolute fccking shame!

Except one of their parents is not Igbo.

If both are and they don't speak. The parents have failed!

You don't rob your kids of their identity.

fkj950ax:
All you wrote up there is what happens when people make assumptions and sadly, try to use many fancy words and end up saying very little.
FG approves language for teaching instruction.
FG lists two reasons it hasn’t happened.
Someone said those reasons don’t exist.
I expanded on those reasons why it HASN’T (key operative word in the discussion)
You come in through the window and say so much out of context on how you work in NASA and became a quantum physicist and a proponent of change fighting colonialism before becoming Head of Service.

Okay, pele. I misread your own.

NASA brain dey misfire rocket too sometimes.

At least, I neva Ukraine you.

Judolisco:
I'm serious.... Enter Abuja most kids don't even know their tribe

I bet they have English/Arabic names and don't speak their mother tongue.

Parents have wiped out their identity and heritage to replace it with White/Arab wannabe identity.

People the Whites and Arabs will only see as poor imitation of themselves.

Still shocks me seeing Yoruba kids growing up in Lagos and saying they can't speak Yoruba.

Anuofia to their parents!

I can understand a bit for children of people from minority tribes that have like 15,000 speakers and they live in a foreign city; but not for the largest 30 tribes. No fcking excuses!

Nwakannaya1:
These things aren't as simple as they appear.

We have over two hundred languages in Nigeria and about 1000 dialects, but this isn't the issue as concerns manpower to teach them, the issue is, you can speak a language fluently and still fail it in exam and you and speak a language badly and still pass it in exam.

Teaching a local language is good, but making it a language for instruction is where the problem lies. It means that when you are teaching English, Maths, Science and others to these pupils, you'd use ibibio to teach them English if you're in Akwa ibom.

1. What is your point about ability to speak and ability to pass exams. I don't get it. Be clear.

2. How is it a problem to use local language for instruction?

3. Explain to me what is wrong in using local language to teach English, Maths & Science learnt in primary school. Go ahead.

Nwakannaya1:
What then happens if they go to secondary school?
If I'm a Yoruba and find myself in ibibio land, my kids would be forced to learn ibibio so as to understand the subjects being taught.

You see, these things aren't as simple as they seem. My baby schools here in the north, she's taught Hausa as a subject, I don't know how she passes it because she doesn't understand zo, imagine that Hausa language is the language of instruction, she won't understand dot.

I do not know the details of the new policy but it doesn't appear well thought out.

Did you read well about the policy?

Is primary school same as secondary school?

Who told you there is a plan to use local language at secondary schools?

You have not read the policy but have come to a conclusion it was not "well thought out"?

Jesus is Lord!!! {Hands on head}

yemmit90:
Using mother tongue language in a public school of a country with an official language? Did you even read the main article where it was stated they intend to change the curriculum to suit that?

Sagamite, your problems is legendary

You are cretinouus fuucktard!

And so what if "mother tongue is used in a public school of a country with an official language"?

And so what if they change the curricullum, reetard?

Your colomentality is digging deep to find a way to resist any change to cure it?

The virus is fighting had to stay alive in your head?

What next is your fooolish argument?

How can they serve local food in a public school of a country with English as official language?

CaptainFM1:
It's not enough to Highlight a problem. Profer a solution if you may pls.

You are the one that created a problem where one did not and should not exist.

So explain, we should throw away all other Nigerian languages and focus on only 3?

yemmit90:
Let me start by saying you lack comprehensive skill. Is this the kind of mentality you will carry to compete with outside world?

No one is saying mother tongue language is bad, and should not be adopted, we are only talking about multi- language nature of Nigeria, which made it difficult to chose a particular language as official one.

You saw " depending on acceptable standard " in my post, yet you still feel it appropriate to insult me in your illiterate logic.

If I may ask, what Language do you think Nigeria can make official?

Besides, alot of advance countries made English, Spanish and Dutch their official languages, yet in you narrow mind, you think choosing everything about you make you an advance country.

Even if all you against me don't have sense, at least you should all know those countries using their mother tongue languages are mostly mono- ethnics.

You are a cretinoous fuccktard!

Who is talking about official language?

By saying primary school students should be taught using local language, that means we are changing the official language, reetard?

Bobbiee:
Do you know that ethnic policies is only going to ruin this country even more than it's already ruined. Let's get over it. We're now a country. Chances are we're never going our separate ways. We should be looking for ways to break down the ethnic barriers rather than put more of it up

Explain to me how it would ruin the country.

Gerrard59:
Well, India also has a high number of poor people, and the society is fractured as ours. Shey we overtook them to be the poverty capital of the world, they overtook us, and we overtook them again? One might say it is racism, but the Brits maltreated/siphoned wealth from India(ns) even more than from Nigeria. The difference is in entrepreneurship and studying hard-core scientific programs. While many of our elites went there (UK top universities aka Ndi Oxbridge) to study English, Law, Business and Medicine, they studied hard-core sciences such as physics, chemistry, mathematics and biology in addition to those courses our elites studied. That is the reason earlier Nobel laureates in the science categories who were Indians and now known as Pakistanis did their undergrad/postgrad in top UK universities. Mind you, there has been no black winner of the Nobel prize in the science category since its inception in 1901. https://www.nairaland.com/3937181/why-there-been-no-black

Secondly, entrepreneurship. Even Sagamite has said the same here. We (I dare say black people collectively) are not entrepreneurial. Opening POS shops or many of those self-employment businesses is not entrepreneurship. For instance, there are many Indian-owned IT firms that can recruit Indians en-mass from India and apply for work visas on their behalf. The same holds in Australia and Canada. Naturally, they will consider their people first before other citizens from the developing world. Dem kuku plenty and they don't like us. But that is one route - big businesses owned by your kinsmen in the abroad can aid in bringing many of your kith to the developed world via employment visas. How many Nigerian-owned businesses in the UK can do such (assuming such exists)? While it might be an odd way to gauge entrepreneurial activity, there is no British-Nigerian billionaire compared to Indians who are quite numerous. Mind you, these are Indians who were born and bred in the UK o not migrants. Although, there are Nigerians who have studied at top universities in the UK, I think there are very few. When your kiths are multi-millionaires, billionaires and now the prime minister, those at home go follow benefit one way or the other.

The one wey dey pain me na the new ones no dey study for top universities. In fact, there was a period when Nigerian politicians' children were posting themselves on social media after graduating from universities in the UK, I paid close attention to the names of the universities and only Rochas' son went to a top university - University of Manchester. In fact, the only politician I know whose child studied at Oxbridge was a former minister of health or something (under GEJ's administration). Saraki is another rare one. I remember a time when prominent British politicians were worried that the Chinese were the dominant students in scientific fields at Oxbridge, Imperial, UCL etc. Computer science was one of such fields such that one out of two postgraduate students was Chinese. I never hear say dem dey fear say Nigerians don overpopulate Imperial College.

The UK is a class-based society and for these new entrants to make plenty of money while there, they either need to work in top industries which are extremely biased to degrees from top universities or move to sectors that are egalitarian (tech is one of such). Ultimately, not everyone will enter tech or study at Cambridge, but they should lower their expectations in making money while residing in the UK compared to their counterparts in the US, Canada or Australia. Alternatively, attain citizenship (for easy mobility and generational gift), relocate to Nigeria and start businesses (Akin Alabi is an example). My own be say, they should not come online to dissuade others from doing so like the various witches and wizards currently do.

We are generally poor in:

1) Conceptualisation (i.e. original thinking & shaping in a progressive way; instead na gut-feeling and anywhere belle face most of our VIPs have)

2) Team work (instead we want to do it alone and try to pull others down so that our low level is still competitive)

3) Thinking (the black curse; instead we proudly leave our thinking to some useless God(s) to help/save us)

All these are important in setting up great businesses and being economically dominant to fuel more great businesses and economic empowerment.

What a race the Black race is!

Karlifate:
Funny enough, the redpill did not start with this thread.

Sagamite has been talking about this, years back.

Thank you, bruv.

I don see this issues long ago. I created the pill.

southsouthking:
Tried searching for the word colomentality on my dictionary but couldn't find it.
What's colomentality?

It is a mentality of inferiority complex that people that have/had been colonised by others have. This mentality spurs them to (1) strive hard to want to be like their coloniser by adopting what the colonisers forced on them (including the negative ones) without any reasoning, (2) it also leads to them trying to show each other that they are like/closer to the colonisers (e.g. naming their kids, dressing, accents, singing etc. like their colonisers) and (3) they worship anything their colonisers do as superior & advanced, even when it is not (e.g. LGBT promotion and nudity in everything).

It is a mentality that erodes and degrades ones own identity, culture, traditions and self-worth overtime. Perpetually making them seen as inferior and subordinates by their colonisers (and others) especially when there is no way they can be 100% accepted as one of the peoples of the colonisers. They are just follow-follow idiots.

The word "Colomentality" was probably coined by Fela or someone in his era.

Go and look at P-Square, Kizz Daniel and the names they gave their kids. That is colomentality!

It is not only Black people that suffer from this disease, Orientals do too. E.g. in Hong Kong, virtually all of them have English first names and would feel it is an accomplishment if their child marries a white person.

Part of our colomentality was evident in the 90s when we had our modern artistes trying to sing like Americans. This even crossed over to the 2000s when Afrobeats began and some wanted to do hardcore, American street rap. These people all failed becuase there is no way they can be 100% accepted as one of the people it originates from.

When we switched to being who we really are in our Afrobeats, see how far we have gone now?

Yureyes:
That’s your choice. My choice is for my child to learn the official language in the country where he lives. If he lives in France, learn French. If he lives in Portugal, learn Portuguese. If he is in Nigeria, learnt the official language which is English. He shouldn’t be taught someone else’s mother tongue just because it’s their regional language except he chooses to learn it. If Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa was the official language in Nigeria, then we’ll happily learn it.

Your choice?

Well, you have the choice to take your children out of school when the policy is implemented.

Moniya4Real:
Not only making it compulsory. They can do better by enforcing it as a core subject- if you don’t pass it, your entire result will be void. Unless that step is taking, pupils and parents won’t take it seriously

Very well said.

You must pass it before being able to enter secondary school.

JesusSaves49:
This policy is sounding as the beginning to the end of Nigeria.
What a wrong approach in solving the educational problem! This is to cause socioeconomic and security problem.
With over 250 ethnic groups, how can this policy unite the already polarized Nigeria structure.
Please, mark this when the consequences appear.

I really did not know by learning your own mother tongue OR learning the language of the community that hosts you will polarise people.

tete7000:
These confused people have come again. You teach a child in local language for six years of his/her developmental years, and then continues with English while in secondary school. If you wan use English, use English; if na local language you wan use, use am.

You are the one confused!

Many of the countries you will die to japa to do exactly that or even more and still are successful and produce more useful human beings than you.

CaptainFM1:
The policy is total rubbish capable of further dividing the country.

If you want to preserve the culture and languages, the 3 main languages as a subject is sufficient. No need to use them to teach Chemistry or Accounting!

Nonsense!

So we should lose Ijaw, Bini, Jukun, Idoma etc.?

BigBashiru:
everything is not a joke. perhaps ur white masters are the monkeys...pls refrain from calling blacks monkeys as its not funny.

As daft as people like you are, I will keep on calling you monkeys.

jydeskill1:
Indians, Chinese and Lebanese struggle to speak English but are far better in social development and technology advancement.

Yeye Lebanese, Chinese and Indians are their Gods in Nigeria.

yemmit90:
By citing those examples, it is obvious you don't consider "multi- ethnics" nature of Nigeria.

About 90% of those countries you mentioned spoke common languages or have almost 100% common social life and cultural values. The same can't be say about Nigeria. Besides, there is different between formal and informal education. A wise parent or society teaches their citizens informal education in their mother tongue, while former learning can be carry out in various capacities depending on acceptable standard.

And contrary to your opinion, Chinese, Germans, Indians and other non speaking English countries are not better than well fluent English speakers in Nigeria let alone those staying abroad. Kids of these days are very fluent in English because we introduced it to them early especially pupils in private primary schools.

Mother tongue as teaching instruction can only work effectively in a Mono- ethnic nation.

And Nigerian languages are not "acceptable standards" in your colo-head for formal learning.

Now between you Nigerians and the Chinese/Germans/Indians:

1. Who is more productive?

2. Who has more sense of self-worth?

3. Who goes to the other's country and lords over them?

Colomentality is a disease!!!

Armaggedon:
Italian is italy's mother tongue and that is what they speak. You cannot force any one to learn another mother tongue in his own country. If you want to do that, have your own country!

You can force them in a country with different region.

If you don't like what you are fed, you move to a region that you like what is being fed.

There are parts of Italy where French is an official language. And majority are biilingual with both French and Italian. You are forced to learn French there.

Babinski:
India has a single language (Hindi) that cuts across and is their second official language with English. Nigeria does not have such. Trying to restrict to three major languages of Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo is already a problem not to talk of when other languages are considered. The comparison to India isn't exactly proper.

Sorry. Wrong!

In India, each state/region has its own set of official languages as well. So Hindi is not the only local official langauge of communication in India.

OKC22:
Language learning shouldn't be by force because some people are not naturally interested in learning languages.

Going to school is not by force.

Put tray on their heads and let them contribute to household income.

einsteine:
Sorry, the paucity of variation in your diction reflects many things but certainly not intelligence or brightness. Your vacuous thoughts on this forum tell every discerning observer what they need to know: that an idiot is easy to spot and that regardless of how many times you use the word "cretin" there is no better exemplar of the term than you.

The paucity..... and pokocity of pancacity ......of my diction is to get the idea of what you are into your dumb head.

Repetition is a powerful tool for learning, ................... creeetin.

But to be fair, I also called you moooronic fuuktard. That is variety for you.