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Religion / Re: Why Many Nigerian Pastors Are False Teachers By Deji Yesufu by sagenaija: 11:34am On Apr 18
ThothHermes:
What does the bold mean?
I think it is plain enough. However, if you have your view of it, please share it.
Religion / Re: Why Many Nigerian Pastors Are False Teachers By Deji Yesufu by sagenaija: 3:20pm On Apr 17
ThothHermes:
There's nothing weighty about what people like you do. The nature of success is that it attracts envy from all quarters. This is not surprising. Joshua Selman's rise from obscurity to almost every corner of the globe preaching the gospel in a unique way is phenomenal, and would naturally disturb some people.
Joshua Selman has preached hundreds and maybe thousands of hours of messages all available online.
Explain to me how it's fair for you to pick out less than five minutes of all them combined and call him false on account of that? Sounds like witchcraft to me.

Anyway, let's start with your claim that he said that not every verse in the Bible is the word of God...
When Paul said "I speak as a man" in Romans 3:5, what did he mean?

‭‭Romans 3:5 NIV‬‬
[5] But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.)
Religion / Re: Apostle Suleman Is Unrepentant And Arrogant by sagenaija: 9:43am On Mar 25
MaxInDHouse:

You address him as "Apostle" nah! smiley
I suppose that you must have seen where I put the title in quotes in my writeup.
Religion / Re: Apostle Suleman Is Unrepentant And Arrogant by sagenaija: 4:33pm On Mar 24
MaxInDHouse:
At least he is Apostle so "don't judge" as most of you often say instead of making sure of the group that's practicing Christianity! smiley
An Apostle? Are you sure?
Religion / Apostle Suleman Is Unrepentant And Arrogant by sagenaija: 10:00am On Mar 23
Apostle Suleman Is Unrepentant and Arrogant

One of the signs of any child of God, no matter his position in life, should be humility. Humility shows fear of God. Humility desires and accepts the truth. Humility makes a man admit it when it is clear that he is wrong. (Remember King David, when Nathan confronted him with his sinning?).

On the other hand, when SELF drives a person, arrogance comes to the fore. His PRESTIGE (his estimation in the eyes of people), takes center stage rather than God or God's integrity and plan.

This is what we see play out in the recent "Apostle" Suleman's saga of claiming that Jesus Christ told him that something the great Apostle Paul wrote was not from him (Jesus). Suleman went on to say that Apostle Peter warned people AGAINST Apostle Paul.

Suleman's subsequent"attempts" to clear himself (or perhaps better still, to defend his position) only just opened him up for who he truly is. Suleman was wrong on every count - whether on his claim about what Jesus told him or on Apostle Peter's warning against Paul. Yet he refused to admit his very clear errors.

For a "minister", he failed woefully to see the CONTEXT of some of the passages he tried to use to support himself. In Biblical interpretation and understanding, context is key. Nowhere did Apostle Paul claim that anything he said was not from God. A man of God ought to understand a basic truth between what Jesus Christ did not say while on earth and what he said the Holy Spirit was going to show or reveal through the apostles which they can claim as " Jesus Christ did not say this but I (or we) are revealing or stating them to you now". Suleman failed to see 2 Peter 1:20 or 2 Timothy 3:16.

If because of the image before men a man chooses not to acknowledge when he is wrong (again, contrast with David the King and Nathan) then he is showing to the discerning who he really is. God makes war with the arrogant.

When there is no fear of the Lord the expression of arrogance comes out clearly. Jesus Christ himself said, "For everyone who exalts himself shall be humbled, and he who humbles himself shall be exalted."

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Religion / Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by sagenaija: 1:42pm On Feb 21
‭‭2 Timothy 3:16 NIV‬‬
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Religion / Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by sagenaija: 7:37pm On Feb 20
jesusjnr2020:
Christians behaving like the Pharisees about Jesus exposing man-made doctrines and traditions in the church isn't surprising.

I hope they don't end up in hell as a result though as the unrepentant Pharisees because the flesh profits nothing but death.

It's the Spirit that gives life.

That's why we emphasize the preaching of the Gospels of Jesus instead of the Bible.

God bless.

Did you listen to the passage he gave for Peter's rebuttal of Paul? Is that what that passage really says?
So, to you, once those some "highly esteem" say anything their words should be taken as gospel truth?
You have the gospel of Jesus different from the Bible? Interesting! Very interesting!

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Religion / Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by sagenaija: 9:53pm On Feb 19
Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHtRsIvbNnI?si=D1Iyh8PeGkbBAAn9
Apostle Suleman claims that Jesus told him that what Apostle Paul wrote were not from him(Jesus Christ). He also said that the Apostle Peter warned people against Apostle Paul.
Suleman said he cannot criticize or correct Pastor Adeboye, Kumuyi, Chris BUT he do same to the great Apostle Paul. What an irony!
Has he (Suleman) thought for one second what the implication of these his words means? If Apostle Paul who wrote more half of the New Testament was wrong then is Suleman telling us to jettison the New Testament and rely on the 21st-century "revelation" he (Suleman) receives from the Lord Jesus Christ?
Where exactly did these men come from?

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Religion / Re: Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies? by sagenaija: 10:46pm On Jan 28
MaxInDHouse:


God wants His people to know their future because it matters to them.
The Scripture clearly show all that God wants his people to know about the future.
Religion / Re: Saudi Arabia Approves Sale And Consumption Of Alcohol by sagenaija: 10:43pm On Jan 28
Lukuluku69:


Lol

I can see that you have quit crying over Hagia Sophia.

For your info, the Prophet did not take any new wife after the Restriction on 4 wives came. And if you must wail about wives, Abraham add 2, then added Keturah after Sarah and Hajar passed on. Moses had 2, David had more and Solomon had how many?

If Jehovah did reprimand them, why would an Idiat as you do?


Which one of those you mentioned was a caravan raider, pedophile, warmonger, slave owner, had more wives and sex slaves like Mohamed, the best example of Islam?
Religion / Re: Saudi Arabia Approves Sale And Consumption Of Alcohol by sagenaija: 9:12am On Jan 26
SIRTeee15:


More, lie lie lukuluku69
The killing of asma bin marwat

The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) becomes a Kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. (Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16)

Asma bint Marwan wrote a poem against Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasalam) insulting him, Upon hearing the poem, Muhammad (Sallallahu alihi wa sallam) decided to have her executed.

Ibn Sa’d’s Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir describes the death of Asma bint Marwan:

“Then (occurred) the Sariyyah of Umayr ibn adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against Asma Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the Hijrah of the apostle of Allah. Asma was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the Prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses.
When the apostle heard what she had said, he said, "Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?" `Umayr b. `Ady al-Khatami, who was with him, heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her.

Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the Prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: “Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?” He said: “Yes. Is there something more for me to do?” He [Muhammad] said: “No. Two goats will butt together about her.
This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him Umayr, “Basir” (the seeing).

Waiting for lululuku69 to respond. When you tell them this is Islam they cry "Show us!” When you show them from their books they begin to go into the " magic of reinterpretation" of their books.
Islam has always presented itself as what it is really not. They say it is a religion of peace. You will discover that they actually HATE every other person and are more EAGER to fight than pursue peace. They say Mohamed is the BEST of example. You look at his life and see a caravan raider, pedophile, warmonger, slave owner, had more wives and sex slaves than the koran prescribes for any Moslem, etc, etc. And you ask "What is the best of example here to be followed?” They have been sold a dummy and have accepted it hook line and sinker.
Religion / Re: Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies? by sagenaija: 8:51am On Jan 26
MaxInDHouse:

God's people want to know what the future holds for mankind in general not some greedy form of prophecies about personal goals!
It shouldn't be about what God's people want to know. It should be what God wants his people to know. It is the issue of personal wants that leads many to seek fortune-telling in the name of prophecies.
Religion / Re: Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies? by sagenaija: 7:05pm On Jan 21
MaxInDHouse:

So you're saying true disciples of Christ don't meet at all for worship shey? smiley
They will simply not be accepting the words of those who give fake New Year prophecies. At the end of the day seeking to know the future leads people away from trusting in God. They will simply be putting their hope in those so-called prophecies. The focus then shifts from God to man or a thing.
Religion / Re: Why Were So Many Christians Deceived By TB Joshua? by sagenaija: 6:57pm On Jan 21
To start with majority of Christians today are gullible. They are easily taken in by WHATEVER is sold to them in the name of Christianity. They NEVER bother to check whether such things align with the Bible or not.
Just tell them so and so chapter of the Bible and verse so and so says "You will be like God" say 'And they will all shout 'Amen!' If only they checked out that portion of the Bible to then discover that it was the DEVIL talking and that that has nothing to do with God's statement in the first place.
So-called "men of God" today, just pick ANY verse or portion of Scripture and TWIST it into whatever they want, and the gullible followers and listeners all shout in acknowledgment of them. The listeners and followers have either become too lazy to check what they hear against the word of God or have simply accepted the LIE that all comes from their "men of God" must be the truth and nothing else.
This is majorly what has led us into the DIVINE PUNISHMENT we are in today as a nation. God's people have turned away into a"WICKED" way and they are refusing to repent from it as 2 Chronicles 7:14 demands in order for us to have HEALING as a nation.

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Religion / Re: Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies? by sagenaija: 8:41am On Jan 11
MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted word "they are" differs from "he or she is" meaning it's a group of people or organization (not single individual) working towards something very important: God's will.
So like the first century disciples called by the people of Antioch "CHRISTIANS" {Act 11:26} they are well ORGANIZED. 1 Corinthians 14:33, 40
Do you know them today? smiley

They will certainly not be following pastors giving fake new year prophecies.
Religion / Re: Praying In Tongues - The Most Powerful Prayer In The Universe! by sagenaija: 8:38am On Jan 11
There is no single place in the Bible where we are told to "pray in tongues". Not one.
Religion / Re: Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies? by sagenaija: 9:19pm On Jan 09
MaxInDHouse:


I agree with you that Christians do fail even the apostles erred in some of their decisions and they had to go back to what Jesus taught them for thorough meditation.
However they will stand out for one unique reason: The doing of God's will!
Unlike all other religions only the Christians as a body can unitedly do the will of God that's why Jesus said about them:

“You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:14-16

This isn't referring to individuals found in different religions claiming Christians otherwise Jesus won't say their light will shine and they will be noticed globally, you and i know that there is no individual who is noticed globally than movies and music stars but when it comes to a congregation or assembly or group or organization then we can say they're shinning because in every nation people will know them and their group as being unique.

So do you know such a group?

They are the "chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."
1 Peter 2:9
Religion / Re: Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies? by sagenaija: 10:07am On Jan 09
MaxInDHouse:


No you haven't because religionists around are saying the same thing and it's like some saying you are evil while you are also saying the same about them but if you can present a group of people practicing something unique that will save you all the debate all you just need to do is quote what God said and leave observers to see how this group is WORKING to achieve it! Matthew 5:14-16

Regarding the highlighted please explain what these CHRISTIANS are doing here:

While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 24:3

"But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here" 2Timothy 3:1

"For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories"

"Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever" 1John 2:17


Are these people not CHRISTIANS?
Are they not PEEPING into the future?


Christians can do the wrong things. When we talk about sin or sinning it means walking contrary to what God wants. That is why confession is talked about in Scripture. In short, Christians do fail.
Religion / Re: Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies? by sagenaija: 8:18am On Jan 08
MaxInDHouse:


What FRUIT did Satan and his agents have as explained by Jesus?

"You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." John 8:44

So according to Jesus the FRUIT Satan promote among his agents is killing one another and lying to one another.


Now who are those that aren't killing one another as prophesied in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4?
Jesus said the greatest commandment is LOVE God and neighbours {Mark 12:28-31} that's to say true worshipers of God don't support killing one another because they are brothers in faith! John 13:34-35


One person can't be addressed as "PEOPLE" so God's people must be united in their line of thought and judgment so they don't fight to kill their fellow believers. John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

So who are they? As they're bearing the fruit of LOVE, JOY and PEACE in their gathering! Galatians 5:22 smiley

I believe that I addressed them in my response - who the people of God, the fruits and how they can be judged and more importantly that there is no biblical mandate for the Christian to seek to be peeping into the future.
Religion / Re: Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies? by sagenaija: 8:08am On Jan 08
Dtruthspeaker:


Lovers of lies must follow the giver of lies.
Indeed lovers of lies follow purveyors of lies.
Religion / Re: Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies? by sagenaija: 4:35pm On Jan 07
MaxInDHouse:


Who are God's people called by his name?
How can innocent individuals identify them?
All pastors are claiming original so who has the TRUE New Year Prophesies?

Nobody will admit that the spirit of God isn't working with him or her so how can we know the true prophets since all of them are good in quoting the Bible?
Today anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as saviour becomes part of God's people.
That relationship with Christ makes a person a part of God's people - 1 Peter 2:9-10.

Nowhere in the Bible does God support New Year prophecies.

Jesus said, "By their fruits, you shall know them". Using the scriptures to weigh what they present or preach will reveal the real from the fake; the true from the false.
Religion / Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies? by sagenaija: 8:34pm On Jan 06
Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies?

The failure of the prophecies of many of the very popular so-called "men of God" is well known and well documented. That these men failed clear scriptural position is evident. The fact that many of them even make up stories as to why their prophecies fail is also known. That many of these prophecies both on personal and national levels have led to incalculable disasters is equally generally recognized. Why then do people keep following these people? Even Ghana, recognizing that all is not well with all these prophecies placed a "ban on what she called misleading New Year prophecies and the havoc they are capable of precipitating."

A major conclusion one can come to is that the followers enjoy the charade. They are fascinated by the razzmatazz even where it goes in clear violation of God's position. Like the Jews of Jesus' time even when they are being told that they are under bondage they insist that they "have never been slaves of anyone." John 8:33. Like them they seek no freedom from the bondage they are in. They relish in it.

In Deuteronomy 18, God expressly forbids wanting to peep into the future. The future is to be left to God while the believer trusts him on a moment-by-moment basis. When the believer chooses to "know" tomorrow what is then the need to trust God for it? Of course, for a generation that has been taught that they are "gods," fortune-telling wouldn't seem anything strange. It would just be an additional "benefit" of being on the godlevel.

What these so-called " men of God" and those who are enthralled by them are doing is engaging in the "wicked ways" God asked his people to turn away from in 2 Chronicles 7:14. Any wonder then why the church in Nigeria and anywhere that follows the same trend has little or no impact on the land but is rather losing ground? The clear word of God has been substituted with philosophies of men at best or doctrines of demons at worst.

Instead of seeing the darkening clouds the church is still taking the position of "nothing spoil”. Like Israel was told by false prophets that " nothing spoil", they won't go into exile as a discipline from God. Today's "men of God" are telling us the same - all is well. We are moving from "one level of glory to another". Unfortunately, they are the ones living posh lifestyles as the glory is departing from the church.

When the majority of the Church chooses to go its own way we can only expect more DIVINE DISCIPLINE. The one who controls history metes out discipline of all kinds like he did to Judah in 2 Chronicles 15. The Bible said, " God was troubling them with every kind of distress." Despite what today's "men of God" may say God is still in charge of blessing or disciplining nations. Where the 'salt of the earth' in that nation fails, we can expect nothing short of God's strong hand of discipline on our nation. This accounts for all the contradictions we experience as a nation: Where despite the resources to make our nation great are available we still experience shortages and lack. If God's people who are called by his name do not turn in the right direction to him, we can only expect more woes.
Religion / Re: The Truth About Ramadan by sagenaija: 10:12pm On Apr 02, 2023
Now imagine having two Thanksgiving dinners per day every day for an entire month and calling it fasting. Imagine gorging yourself with food until you almost pass out multiple times per day over and over again day after day while you announce to the world ”See how devout I am. I'm fasting!" Strange use of the word fasting, isn't it?

Ramadan fasting is what we might call trans-fasting. It's feasting that identifies as fasting. As such our Muslim friends are to be accorded all the rights and privileges of the lgbtq community. Which means that the rest of us have to agree with them that shoveling giants plates of food into their mouths is indeed fasting.
(Tbc)
Religion / The Truth About Ramadan by sagenaija: 9:07pm On Mar 26, 2023
The Truth About Ramadan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8DnIm1FkF4
By: David Wood

Well, it's that time of year again and as you can see I'm fasting, Islam style.

When most people think of fasting they think of not eating. They think of abstaining from food. But in Islam AKA opposite world, fasting means gorging yourself with food multiple times per day. I guess you could say that Mohamed's followers are abstaining in a weird sense during Ramadan. They're abstaining from not gorging themselves with endless piles of delicious food.

Islamic fasting is what we would ordinarily call feasting. The closest thing non-Muslims have to Ramadan in the U.S. is Thanksgiving dinner. That's our big meal of the year. But Ramadan on for a month and they have two gigantic meals per day. Imagine having two Thanksgiving dinners per day every day for an entire month. Pretty gross, right? Pure gluttony.
(To be continued)
Religion / Re: Did U Know That At Some Time Muslims Tried To Write A Fake Gospel Of The Bible? by sagenaija: 5:46pm On Mar 19, 2023
Antichristian, Hope your eyes are clear about this.
Religion / Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 2:33am On Feb 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ go and preach what you think you know to your neighbours we already have our own teachings just as you've confirmed and it's never going to tally with your thinking.
So whatever you make up of Bible verses go out there and teach whoever is ready to listen to you, we have our own students learning from us.
Ire o! smiley

Lol! When you're caught in your own trap you run. Maybe you need to consult your GB before you can answer that my last question in particular.

At the end of the day it is clear that the Bible really means nothing to you guys. Only your made-up fantasy stories matter.

Cheers.

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Religion / Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 8:57pm On Feb 05, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ God's throne is in heaven but flesh and blood doesn't go to heaven so in that context where the great crowd is standing is God's presence not heaven!

Remember, we are talking about a particular portion of the Bible. We are not fantasizing.

I know that you guys have been fed with a lot of FANTASY stories enhanced by the beautiful drawings they give you in your magazines. But the true reality is what the Bible presents not the imagination of humans transposed on the Bible.

What do you make of this Revelation portion?
Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
Revelation 11:12

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Religion / Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 6:21pm On Feb 05, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


The funny way you arrogantly deceive yourself has continued to amaze me walahi talahi! smiley

The two highlighted had spoken in volumes are you now ready to name the religion in which you're a member?

Because i told you "i wasn't born a JW" i was preached to and after being convinced i joined the global family of peace loving worshipers preaching and teaching within my neighbourhood what i was taught so if you refer to the global family as YOU (collectively) it makes sense but with which group are you convinced that you understood the passage in question so that you can now say "we are waiting"? grin

This is very very important because the JWs claimed they understood the passage based on their doctrines that some of their members are now with Jesus in heaven feeding their earthly members and what is their evidence? Jesus foretold they are like one family even though the dead ones who are born again (little flock) among them are in heaven {Luke 12:32} while the greater number are on planet earth they're serving their God unitedly as one flock under one shepherd {John 10:16} having the same line of thought globally! John 17:22

Please tell me (not us) the name of that group with which you have the same line of thought regarding sacred secrets found in God's word so that by observing the fruitage of such a group {Matthew 7:16-18} i may have a second thought regarding the interpretation of the JWs?

Ọmọ time is running out, this is the time to get your lamp fueled otherwise darkness is coming when billions will trash their faith due to the impending great tribulation, arguing blindly just because you're seeing faithless miscreants around you criticizing God's organization won't help you!

God's throne in that context simply means God's PRESENCE but if you want to dispute it present a group that's unitedly doing God's will just as Jesus foretold {John 17 20-23} because in the absence of that ọmọ Satan has blinded your mind along with those arguing against God's organizeation o! 2Corinthians 4:4 smiley


Wait a minute!
Is it you who just mentioned the word "context"? Did you just write " God's throne in that context simply means God's PRESENCE....." So when you write context matters but when it's someone else, you query context.

From you saying a while ago that "context doesn't count rather overview of the Bible's message...." to now talk in the quote I put up above about context shows that you can do anything simply to try to win an argument. What a pity!

Anyhow, the Bible says that the throne was set in heaven. If you choose to be blind to this fact the choice is yours.

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Religion / Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 11:49pm On Feb 04, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ the highlighted really amuses me because i wasn't born a JW rather i accepted the overview of Bible's message which is the truth instead of picking a portion like you churchgoers will do then each of you just pick a sect that suit your thinking.
NO! I formerly believe that all good people will go to heaven until JWs proved to me that God's purpose in the beginning is everlasting life on planet earth. I agreed because God will not trash His purpose for the error of mankind His purpose must stand! Isaiah 55:11
So if Jesus now promised humans life in heaven that must be a new arrangement and Jesus himself explained that beneficiaries will become spirit beings like angels which makes perfect sense since flesh and blood doesn't live in heaven.
So stop calling it my dogma rather it's the truth that none of you can dispute as you're only arguing blindly just to prove you have a point whereas you can't explain further how humans are going to live in the land of spirits without being spirits (angels)

Is it so difficult for you guys to understand simple sentences?

When I say "your" dogma I don't mean you as a person. I mean you collectively. I hope you understand this time around. If not, you may have to return to the basic English language.

Now, AS USUAL, you're again trying to muddle up things. The question I asked Janosky which neither he nor you have answered is - When did the throne that the Bible CLEARLY says is set up in heaven according to Rev. 4:2 come down to earth in Rev. 7?

NB: All the angels, the elders, and the four living beings were also there in Rev. 7.

But just simply answer the question before you veer off to some region unknown. We are waiting.

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Religion / Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 6:40pm On Feb 04, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

Revelations was written in parables because it's Jesus' own words that John was penning down! Revelations 1:1-2

So context doesn't count rather overview of the Bible's message which is Godly peace both in heaven (for the 144,000) and on earth (for the great crowd) because they're all standing in God's presence (before the throne of God) smiley

The level of comprehension of you guys is well known. It's easier for you guys to regurgitate what your Governing Board says than look at a simple passage and explain it.

When you make a statement such as the highlighted it simply exposes your level of cognition.

Again, if you guys can add what you will to the Bible and adjust whatever portion of it to suit your dogma, what else can you not do?

The Bible CLEARLY says the throne was set in heaven. But you now have a better understanding than the rest of us. So, you're now telling us that "context doesn't count" but what we should see is "rather overview of the Bible's message".

Please clap for yourself, wonderful Bible scholar.
Janosky your brother should also clap for you.

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Religion / Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 9:47am On Feb 04, 2023
Janosky:


Humans on earth are standing before God's throne, Isaiah 66:1= Revelation 7:9-10, IYKYK.

Oga, don't come here typing GIBBERISH.[/b] grin
Disingenuous Janosky!

According to Rev. 4:2, where was the throne with the 24 elders? On earth or in heaven?

Chapter 7 verse 9 started with "After this....." In other words, after the events he had just narrated. And he went on to talk about the throne.

So, Janosky, when did the throne that John saw "set in heaven" according to Rev. 4:2 come down to earth?

Do you see where CONTEXT comes in again?

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Religion / Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 7:31pm On Feb 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Were angels created to live on planet earth? smiley
The earth was created for humans to inhabit {Psalms 115:16} angels were created to inhabit heaven {Matthew 18:10} so when Jesus wanted his disciples to know what will happen regarding everlasting life he made it clear:
Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them" Matthew 5:3
The Kingdom (government) of God belongs to these limited number {Luke 12:32} so they're going to heaven with the King (Christ) as his co-rulers! John 14:1-4
Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth" Matthew 5:5
The subjects of God's Kingdom will live forever on planet earth because they have already humbled themselves after understanding God's plan for salvation {Psalms 37:29} their humility and subjection to righteous rule Jesus established will save them {Zephaniah 2:2-3} when Jesus order his attendants (angels) to exterminate all those opposing his system of rule! Luke 19:27
Jesus said those going to heaven must become angels {Luke 20:34-36} because flesh and blood don't live in heaven! 1Corinthians 15:50 smiley

How has this answered my question to Janosky?
Follow my post. Don't second guess. What single word have I been mentioning?

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