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Praise be to the Lord, to God our Savior, who daily bears our burdens. Our God is a God who saves; from the Sovereign Lord comes escape from death Ps 68:19-20 Good morning brethren and do have a stress-free day ![]() |
Hehehe Miss Imo though did she really joined the contest? ![]() |
Miss Katsina killed it. And probably the only one whose real age was written. |
alexleo: Ok. Do you think that God knew that lucifer will sin before creating him? If yes why do you think he still created him knowing the consequences of it?This is a tough one ![]() Well I believe God knew that giving both angels and humans free will will certainly result in either of the two ends. Ie obedience and disobedience. And since God is omniscient, I can certainly say he knew Lucifer will sin. Coming to why he went ahead to create him, I will have to state here that our (my) understanding here is limited and/or impaired. There are things I believe we may not fully understand about God till we cross over ![]() Having said that.... I believe God went ahead to create Luciifer because he isn't just after creating only those who will always be subject to him even against their wish. He rather created those who will exercise their free will not only to please him but to make every side of him known. For instance, if Lucifer never sinned God wouldn't have cast him out and we wouldn't have known God is capable of casting out heavenly dwellers. Same can be said about God creating the tree at the centre of the garden and instructing Adam not to eat of it. Why will he even create such? I would say eating the fruit of that tree is the only option he kept for them to exercise their free will in the negative direction, that is, if he had created them with free will without providing an "object" or "option" on which they can act if they choose to exercise their free will in the wrong way, then it's as Good as he never created them with free will. In thesame manner, if he had not created Lucifer because he knew Lucifer will sin, that mean he really never wanted his creatures to exercise their free will. Don't know if I remotely passed the massage in an understandable way ![]() |
Evergreen123: OK, keep it up at that.I didn't say collect, I said review. Where I work, collecting or sending result is the work of the care attendants and the clerk in the Lab. Not docctors or scientists. |
Evergreen123: Abeg lab scientists can help us by processing the samples faster instead of coming to wards to do what I don't know.Like I said, I don't see anything wrong if a scientist chooses to see the patient, no law forbids that, and you maybe you are talking about where you work, but where I work scientists produce their result and doctors are the one whom we have to keep waiting for them to come and review the result, so don't come here and make it look like the scientist are the only ones who delay patients diagnosis and treatment. |
Sagamite: Oya, make I give you summary gists instead of toying with these ignorant boys while holding back knowledge and using it piecemeal to humiliate them.Interesting read, if this is the case, the end is not yet in sight, the issue now is who will. Succumb to who. |
say4gunit: I knw you are a bigot and that's why u decided to take sides.Like seriously? What made you think am taking sides? Well I took your post that I quoted to be from a person who has the knowledge of the basis of this whole thing that was why I asked, but you prefer to call me name instead of enlightening me. Cool suit yourself am not in the habit of throwing insults around. |
say4gunit: What do u knw?Please tell us what you know, hopefully we will learn one or two things therein. |
KiddaBlingzz: thanks. But wait, i been lost before ni? Abi i look like prodigal son?Thesame tsunami that took away your moniker did same to hers. Hopefully she will be back now that you are back ![]() |
oluafolabi: Exactly. They also perform surgery, prescribe drugs and go on ward rounds. Doclight: do there administer care to patients?Though I sense scarsm on the first post but then... A Med lab scientist doesn't perform surgery, if you are running a private lab, you will have to prescribe drug but if you are working in a hospital, the doctors is expected to prescribe the drugs not you safe for the prescription of antibiotics after M/C/S because you will be the one to do the sensitivity test and read the clearance and or resistance rate. And going for ward round does hold much water, even a nurse and hospital care attendant does so with the doctors. No rules said a scientist shouldn't do so. Infact seeing the patients and how they are something aid the scientists, and based on their observations too, they can discuss better discuss the patient's condition with the doctors and the way forward. But in Nigeria where we have created a wide gap between the doctors and scientists, you hardly see such happen. And the patients are the ones who suffer as a result of this. |
KiddaBlingzz:Welcome back! |
KiddaBlingzz: Red Alert!.........stalker!!!Hehehe stalker ke, more like being observant ![]() |
hurricaneChris: And you too. Better personBros me how's your day going ![]() |
jnrbayano: Yes, no where did that verse call anyone's name.Pending.... |
KiddaBlingzz: what??...who's that?Stop pretending I checked your profile joor ![]() |
Mtcheew |
jnrbayano: The almighty, merciful and everloving father never created anyone to go to hell. His thoughts for us are of good and not of evil.What do you understand by that part which stays "except he who is doomed to destruction so that scripture may be fulfilled"? If at the end this person goes to hell, will you attribute it to free will? |
KiddaBlingzz: Fellow Nigerians!.......Oluwakidd.... |
jnrbayano: Zone 5 near SkyMemorial ComplexDon't know the complex, will search |
Meanwhile according to John 17:12, are some people destined to hell? Like is it possible that God created some people with the aim of sending them to hell at the end? |
jnrbayano: *teleports*Lol you don't even know where you are. Tell me the place |
jnrbayano: Cough crept in but I'm dealing with it with a linctus.Thank God for you, The bold sounds, funny, visionary and prophetic ![]() |
jnrbayano: Thank you ada mmadu. Same to youOga sir how was your night? ![]() |
alexleo: Your explanation is quite a good one. Now in the light of what you ve explained, will you attribute Lucifer's fall to freewill? How?Strictly speaking I won't attribute his fall to free will , if I understood you, you are saying if there was not free will, there wouldn't have been any room for Lucifer's fall, ..... Probably, but I will also say, free will is not a licence to sin, I prefer saying Lucifer's fall is attributed to how he chose to channel his free will. Notice that he is not the only one to whom this free will was granted, the angels who refused to join him where also exercising their free will, whereas they channelled theirs in the right way, Luciifer allowed pride take over the better part of him and that led to his fall. The free will is not really the issue but what he chose to do with it is. |
You will go out in joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees of the field will clap their hands. Isa 55:12 Good morning brethren and do have a great day ahead ![]() |
Ubenedictus: i think na the one for Agbo Jedi....(make i find me way) ![]() |
Ubenedictus: make i qui quite before person tell me to shut up.When you don talk finish ![]() |
Rich4god: Okpa di oku...Chai.....hand me my portion sharp sharp ![]() |
alexleo: ok. so explainSorry, I couldn't come back till now. Angels as we know; are spirit creatures of God, though they can take up human body or say appear in human form if need be. God created them so yet not as his puppets or robots to be glued to his will alone but with free will and some quality which equally aids free will. Free will is simply the "ability to make choices and decision" there certainly isn't a free will devoid of the ability of the said being to make choices and decisions, wills, and these to can only be made possible if the said being, possesses intelligence, can have feelings or emotions. Let me give an instance of "no free will" Let's say a programmed robot, this is an object that has been programmed and made capable of doing a thing without the ability of doing other, the reason why it cannot do otherwise is because it is incapable of even thinking on it's own, there is no room for emotion or compassion in it, it is incapable of going beyond the extent to which it was programmed, that is to say, outside the extent to which it was programmed, it is completely un-intelligent. It doesn't know of the possibility of anything outside what it already is, lack of emotion makes it insensitive to any other thing, it doesn't ever feel cheated or think it is capable of being like it's maker. ....that's a typical example of "no free will" But when we talk about angels and humans, the reverse is the case, both we and angels possess some attributes or qualities which goes a long way to show free will and it's aids. On the part of humans, the evidence is overwhelming in our everyday life, so I will simply concentrate more on the angels. Let's take a look at some of these qualities possessed by angels according to the scriptures.... EMOTION/FEELING We read in Job 38:7 "while the morning stars sang together, and all the angels shouted for joy" Here we see the angel rejoicing, ...a feeling of immense happiness which stems from the emotional feeling of fulfilment hence we can say, even angels feel emotionally satisfied or fulfilled. Therefore on the other hand, they also are capable of feeling the opposite, (unhappy and unsatisfied) and this is emotion on display. DESIRE 1Pet 1:12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven Even angels long to look into these things Here we see angels desiring to see or do a thing, that's to say they feel the need to acquire or know something which they probably do not know, these cannot be possible in the absence of free will, one who has not free will doesn't even realise there's something he ought to know or do which he has done already. WILL Isaiah 14:12-14 How are you fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn. You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven, I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High. Considering that Lucifer said the above before he was thrown down, that's a lot of "I will" for one who has no free will. For an angel to will the above, shows that it must have felt unsatisfied and cheated and knew of the possibility of attaining a new height.....that too doesn't sound like the absence of free will. We can also see volition in the actions of the angels.... Jude :6 And the angels which kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day. Here it is revealed that angels have volition for some chose to stray/sin while others do not. This requires their volition, that means they had the free will to choose to remain with or go against God, there was "reason/intelligence", and the ability to choose between two ends of a thing. In the light of the above, I couldn't but say angels do have free will. |
alexleo: Good point there. God bless u. Many see God only from the love angle forgetting that he is also a judge. His love is great and his wrath is great too. He never hid this from man but sometimes we pretend as if we don't know. Sometimes too our selfish nature which makes us desire to receive good even when we give out evil also make us see God from the love angle only and use it to condemn the other side of him. Many have left the faith due to this one sided view.Sorry, I meant "without freewill", that was a typo, both we and angels have freewill. |
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did she really joined the contest? 
