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Col1v16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and for him.

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Here we are meant to understand that all things both in heaven and on earth both visible and invisible were created by him.

If all things were created by him and Abraham is a created being, then we can say he created even Abraham. If therefore he created Abraham, we can logically conclude he existed before Abraham because a creature cannot exist before it‘s creator.

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Cute pessy: tnkx for yhur contribution bro!!

God bless you dear.
Sorry for the delay. Let me continue.

CCRN and precious blood apostolate.

Good morning all and a blissful day to ya‘ll

I praise you Jesus you are the wonded messiah.

HBD MM7

Emyben: Sal C,can you leave diz mummys boy wallow in Ignorance? He doesnt wana admit that as far as diz thread is concerned,That he is a FAILURE! he argues like a 5 yr old kid, all his points are baseless and unbiblical. You quote the bible for him to see the truth yet he refutes it. Doesnt that ring a bell? Someone who despises the truth and looks for falsehoods which are only in his imagination to propagate is simply not a Christian

My dear, I've decided to give him a break. He is not sincere.

Rich4god: Hello pals... Just dropping by to say Good night to you all.

Sleep well.

Ubenedictus: Dominus vobiscum

Et cum spiritum tuo.

Sal C: Since it's weekend, I decided to come up with the following questions, seeking for answers to them

1) Which saint is known as the 'dumb ox' and why?

2)Which pope is the 118th in the succession of popes and when did he reign?

3)Which Pope officially declared 'Amen' to be used at the end of prayers or hymn and when was his reign?

4) The use of Halleluyah in religious activities was officially declared by which Pope and when was his reign?

5) Which Pope was the first to change his name upon election because he felt unworthy bearing the name of the great apostle.( What was his name before papacy and also his papal name) when was his reign.

Happy weekend to you!!!

Here are the answers to the remaining questions.

3)The use of Amen at the end of prayer was officially declared by Pope St Clement of Rome. AD 88-97.

4)The use of Halleluyah in religious activities was officially declared by Pope St Damasus 1. AD 366-384.

5)The first pope to change his name because he felt unworthy bearing thesame name with the great apostle is pope Sergius IV ( AD 1009-1012). His name was initially Peter di Porca.

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Ukuts gp: I want to see answers to all my questions tommorow morning. Go back and look 4 them and answer them all. But b4 i go, i leave u with this: are u really in ur right senses when u say that micaiah told Ahab lies in that passage of the bible?

I quoted the verses for you but out of shame, you did not refute it. I leave you to your failures. And make sure you take some pain relief drugs tonight, you‘ve been through alot.

Ukuts gp: u see ur shallow reasoning. I thought u will say before that it was God that aid cain in killing abel? So it was nt God abi. But he aid judith. isn't it? People that will even read ur comment will even be surprise at ur madness.

Ukuts dear am begining to think you are hallucinating now.

Am very sure i‘ve not discussed cain and Abel with you. Can you please show me where i ever mentioned CAIN AND ABEL on this thread?

Looks like your failure is now getting into your head.

Sorry, all i can do is pray for you. You seriously need help now.

I can‘t begin to count how many lies you‘ve told against me on this thread alone, i wonder how you live in the real world.

Ukuts gp: God have to forgive u 4 lying against his servant. That he told Ahab lies. Just because u want to defend one useless apocrypha books. GOD will punish u 4 dat.

OH MAY GOD NOT HOLD THESE THINGS AGAINST YOU.

Ukuts gp: if micaiah did nt not tell Ahab lies in that passage, may God punish u 4 lying against his true servant. And he will indeed punish u.

Oops! This is surely not coming from a christian. I am at peace with God and i stand by the truth. Read my post above.

Ukuts gp: where did micaiah the true prophet told him lies. U see ur life. When they told u to concentrate in school and learn very well, u would nt. Simple and clear passage like that u could nt understand. Maybe u should go and learn hw to read and understand comprehension passage again. No wonder the likes of u failed waec, jamb exam. Because of their daft brain. Pity.

Honestly ukuts, am beginning to suspect you don‘t read the bible.
It seems your mummy tell you these stories as bedtime stories and you think you gotten enough knowledge.

Let me help you again.
take a look at the following verses.
1kings22v15-17
when he appeared before king Ahab, the king asked him ‘Micaiah, should king Jehoshaphat and i go and attack Ramoth or not?‘
“ATTACK, MICAIAH ANSWERED, OF COURSE YOU WILL WIN. THE LORD WILL GIVE YOU VICTORY“

16 But Ahab replied, when you speak to me in the name of LORD, tell the truth! How many times do i have to tell you that?

17 Micaiah answered “i can see the army of isreal scattered over the hills like sheep without a shepherd. And the LORD said, these men have no leader; let them go home in peace.“

Ukuts have you not come across those verses before? You really need to study that passage again.

Ukuts gp: stop mentioning 'GO' This has nothing to do with ur human tradition. Catholic is a false church. And i can say anywhere. People are leaving that shrine to a place where the spirit of God dwells. I thank God for opening people's eyes to see the truth. And i believe the likes of u will still do the same.

Oops they are leaving? Are you kidding me.

Do you know that in just one day, four hundred thousand Anglicans and thirty of their bishops became Catholics
Just few years ago?
Not to mention individual converts.

Bro try again.

Ukuts gp: so all murder case we hear everyday, it was God in action. Isn't it? U are really funny.

If am funny, then you must be a comedian for making the above statement. So if you aid your sister fetch water it now means every other water fetched in the world was fetched by you right?
You see your shallow way of thinking?

fredx4: That's correct

How did you know it‘s correct?

Ukuts gp: that he is capable of doing evil? U are behaving like an hypocrite. U said God aid judith in murdering someone . What is that called?

I don‘t know what it‘s called, maybe you can tell me.

But wait o, why are you having headache over the fact that God aid one person in killing another person but you are not having headache over the fact that God helped one man in killing and destroying a whole nation. Could that be because the later is from your bible?

Again i ask, what made the first one evil and the second one angellic? Are you not delibrately being biased here?

Ukuts gp: stop pretending what u hv wrote in this thread so far is already hunting u.

It is you who is being haunt by your own post that why you are furious and bitter now.

As for me, i‘am as free as the air and rejoicing here cuz my stand has not changed.

Don‘t make me bring forward your current flaws again please.

Ukuts gp: has Ahab nt rejected the truth b4?

Ahab did not reject any truth, infact he seeked the truth for even when prophet micaiah told him lies like the other prophets, he inquire the truth in God‘s name.

Glory to Jesus........

Honour to Mary!

Ukuts gp: U see urself saying God aid judith in murdering someone? And God was nt even involved? Shame on u.

Oops shame on me? No wahala,
The christians were first called christians in Antioch as a way of ridiculing them yet they answered it shamelessly, today we all boldly answer christians.


So ukuts shame on you is not new to me, you can choose to upgrade the insults ok?

It is very much christ-like of you
*clapping for ukuts*

Ukuts gp: it also God that make judith to deceive d man abi. Has God ever told anyone to kill the innocent? Isn't only d enemies of his children that d israelite fought against and God gave them victory?

U see why i say all the roman catholic will go to hell? When i say that people will start accusing me? But this is a clear evidence.

OH ukuts dear let me answer you from you own bible

1kings22v20 The LORD asked, who will deceive Ahab so that he will go and be killed at Ramoth? Some of the angels said one thing and the others said something else.

So ukuts am not the one who wrote the bible, i only give you what i see there. You can go and fight God if you want, as for me, whatever God does is his wish and i don‘t question him.

Ukuts gp: look at this one accusing God for giving the children of israel victory over their enemies. Shame on u. It is like u hv lost ur mind cos u want to defend ur heretic apocrypha books that blasphem the name of God. I dnt even think u are a christian. U may be an atheist or even a pagan. U dnt understand the bible at all. It is only satan that can accuse God like this. U can go and rot in hell. If u dnt hv answers to my other questions just quit instead of embarrasing urself.

Dear ukuts you go on and curse me as much as you want, it will turn out a greater blessing to me. Because am saying the truth and you are only being partial.


My stand has always been that we do not have the right to question GOD even when he uses the forbidden to destroy the forbidden. Therefore am not accusing him, am only stating what he is capable of doing even when he said on our own we should not do them.


So oga if you are enbittered that i proved you wrong from your bible, all i can tell you is to go take a chill coke. Lol

Ukuts gp: U also said it was God who pushed Abraham to tell lies. Then i said show me where God did that, but there was no answer.

Do you want me to fry egg for you before you stop accusing me falsely. Please show me where i ever discussed Abraham with you?

You said earlier that GOD hate liars and here you are lying against me. Let me pray for you

GOD please don‘t hold this lie against ukuts.

Ukuts gp: i thought that u disagree before that they did nt make such statement that they weren't inspired.

Paul only took permission to make recommendation which is in line with d will of God. Now where do those apocrypha writer says they took permission from God? And most of them wrote their books when they are drunk true or false?

oh yes even in the verse i quote, i didn,t see where they said it is not inspired maybe you should point it out to me,

But in return, i showed you where paul said what he is teaching is not an instruction from the Lord.

Did i hear you say he was seeking permission there? Oh no ukuts you lie again. There was nothing like him seeking permission there rather he was teaching them what he felt was good.

Ukuts gp: Judith deceiving king Nebuchadnezzar's general Holofernes and murdering him, she claimed God aided her.(Judith 9:10-13, 13:

Of course GOD aided people kill others even in your own bible. Check my post above. The only problem i see here is, whenever it is in your own part of the bible, you term it angellic but when it is in the apocrypha, it is a lie and that is what i term being biased.

Ukuts gp: 2 & 3. I asked you if God will encourage what he hate, u did not answer. If God hate lying and all liars will go to hell, why do you think God will push someone into lying? And again i asked you what d prophet reply was to the request of Ahab at the initial stage, u did nt answer. Then again didn't Ahab reject the truth before? True or false?

if the lord will encourage what he hates?
Oh yes take a look at these verses
Ex20v13 thou shall not kill

Judges6v16 and the LORD said to him, surely i will be with you and you shall ‘SMITE‘ the midianites as one man.

You see? Thesame God who commanded that we should not kill is here assuring him GIDEON that he will help him kill a whole nation not just one man.

Again GOD is against lying yet he himself put a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets.

Ukuts gp: 1. Can u prove that it was not d writers that made the statement that they were nt inspired and that there could be some flaws in their works?
Even the author of the second Maccabees admitted that his writings were not inspired.(2 maccabees 2:23 and 15:38.)

2 & 3. I asked you if God will encourage what he hate, u did not answer. If God hate lying and all liars will go to hell, why do you think God will push someone into lying? And again i asked you what d prophet reply was to the request of Ahab at the initial stage, u did nt answer. Then again didn't Ahab reject the truth before? True or false?
U also said it was God who pushed Abraham to tell lies. Then i said show me where God did that, but there was no answer.

I already proved that to you on page one.

2mecc2v23 i will now try to summerize in a single book the five volumes written by Jason. Where did that say the book is not inspired?

Ok compare that with this verse from your own bible

1cor 7v12 To others i say ( i myself, not the Lord) if a christian man if a christian man has a wife who is an unbeliever and she agrees to go on living with him, he must not divorce her.
Did you see where is was clearly stated that this is not from God? Yet it is in your bible right?

Sirjay50: Hi brothers and beautiful sisters, I've been a silent follower of this thread, but Damerry dragged me out of my shell.
www.nairaland.com/1408199/meditations-mysteries-holy-rosary-joyful/8#19932658
I'm happy to identify myself with my family, your works here have been intriguing, i don't have much contribution but to see and admire you guys from my 5 inches screen. More power to your elbows, God bless us all.
@ Sal c. Biko don't bother to welcome me, I've seen enough of your warm welcome. Where is Damerry Come put me back into my shell

Lol ok let me keep it light. We are glad to have you here sir. I did not say welcome abi?

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]@Rich4God,

I dont think I have noticed that in my parish. at least if there is a project that requires much fund,the priest just ask for donations from the congregation.
amother good thing is that he also gives us a rundown of how much that was realised amd how it was spent and of cus we also see where the money goes.[/quote]I once heard that but have never witnessed it. I think it won‘t be bad to politely talk to the priest and parish council involved. I know they might be doing that because they believe they realise money from young football fans but that will equally send the wrong massage across to many people.