ValeeLove: no he can't. There is no rule that says he can come back and challenge for that title. And even if you claim he has a stake it's still not automatic or guaranteed. What is guaranteed is MITB. What is Cena loses the belt before he gets to challenge? What if Punk wins it? What about Paul? Would a rematch have been guaranteed if he had won? There was no stipulation, nothing. I have wrestlers win tag matches before against opponents and it didn't guarantee them nothing. Point is, it's not as important as MITB. Again, we aren't talking about the bookers but the characters. Have your big matches at the big shows all you want, but make the journey there flawless.
You still wan drag this Matter? You keep saying there's no rule that Cody can challenge for the title despite fact that we've seen Randy, Truth and now Punk challenge for the title. You wilfully ignore fact that champions can pick their challengers despite evidence to contrary. Me sef fit apply logic with reference to history of a person's actions. Let's posit that the tag match means nothing as you said. My question is Cody has never been in a mitb match since he returned in 2022. Why should he start this year? As for Logan Paul we all know he wrestles part time as an attraction. He appears for a big show then disappears till the next big ppv. Him not being in the mitb doesn't hurt one bit. He's challenged Roman, Cody and Jey for the title without winning mitb. I use history and fact to backup my argument rather than simply stating what should and should not be.
Some things on my mind : Where is Ludwig Kaiser? Where are they going with this Kross devil on the shoulder gimmick? will he wrestle? It's been 4 years since Drew Mcintyre had a proper title reign.
ValeeLove: not in a sport. Take UFC for instance, while there is no clear ranking system like football, you can't just come and get a world title shot like that. It don't work like that.
ValeeLove: Seth didn't just wake up one morning and get a title shot. He had to earn it by winning a couple of other matches and being next in line. But by winning MITB he gets it anytime anywhere. Let me ask you this, if Cody can get a title shot anytime he wants then why do we have Punk facing Cena at Saudi and not Cody? You see that your logic doesn't add up. You're saying issues, there is no bigger issue than the belt. That's pro-wrestling 101. I once saw Shawn Michaels tell Bischoff that the best way he could get back at HHH was by taking his belt, it's very logical. The only reason they ended fighting against HIAC without any title on the line was because they had exhausted and cost eachother the opportunity at the belt. Again, it makes no sense for the characters of Cody and Paul to neglect the MITB briefcase for a tag team match that leads nowhere. Have them lose their opportunities to get a spot at the MITB first then this tag action can happen; that's what I mentioned earlier about excuse and reason. If they wanted to do that, they could have done it that way, you cover up your logic holes in the process.
Did Cody pin John Cena during that mitb match or not? He did but hasn't made a challenge yet. Who challenged John the next night on raw? It was punk. Cena accepted and named the venue. Cody pinned Cena in that tag match hence can always lay a challenge anytime for the title.
Valee, Na the same you wey dey complain of main eventers losing to midcarders want Cody to lose an mitb qualifying match? Another loss after the one to Cena at wrestlemania? I don't even think Cody has ever been involved in an mitb match since his return in 2022.
Here's where the you begin to think like a booker who makes money matches to sell tickets. What's the biggest ppv besides wrestlemania? It has to be summerslam, the ppv that is going on for 2nights like wrestlemania. That's where you make the rematch.
ValeeLove: Then why is he with the briefcase if it isn't of utmost importance, after all he can get a title shot anytime he wants now? At least we agree on one thing.
Bro accept the L and move on. I pointed out an instance where Seth got a title match without a briefcase. Mitb comes once a year and it came at a time where Cody and Logan had issues to sort out with jey and Cena. There are various ways to get a title shot. Even Logan Paul has gotten it against Roman and Jey without the briefcase. There are various ways to get a title match. King of the ring, Royal rumble, mitb and making a direct challenge to the champ for his acceptance.
ValeeLove: on what ground? Do people just walk into companies and get World title shots at the go? Is that how it works now? Do you agree with that?
Are you a stranger to wrestling? You know you can make a challenge for title and if the champion agrees you get a shot. Ethan Page attacked Trick Williams to get his attention then later demanded a title shot for the belt which was accepted by the champion. I dn tire explain to who no dey watch but wan argue 😩
ValeeLove: Oh really, did they go after the World titles immediately they came in. You can't defend this, sorry. The best you can come up with is either, Mariah mispoke or her character is delusional.
They hold exec positions, but they don't own the company. Plus, they don't have the respect of the locker room. They need strong hands to do that, hence the Riders come in. Again, I'm not telling you the story, I'm only trying my best to make sense out of it. That being said, I still don't like storylines in wrestling.
Now Brock is Brock. Since he returned at Summer slam, he had been talking on the mic, being part of the story. Making jokes. Telling everyone what he wanted. All of a sudden, he can't talk or reason because he's Brock.
Yes, Ethan Page went after the NXT title as soon as he came then won it. Watch show you no go gree .
ValeeLove: You need a case to secure a match at least. Why didn't Seth discard the match and bother winning it since he's Seth and can get a title shot anytime he wants. Title shots people go through the Rumber and chamber to get is what you're downplaying. Don't forget it's still treated as a sport and you still have to fight for your spot regardless of how good you are. Has he claimed for a rematch? A stake for a claim isn't still as big as a guaranteed title shot anytime anywhere.
While we're talking nonsensical bookings, let's talk Theory cashing in on the US title and still losing. I recall a lot of WWE fans defending it with their lives as they love to defend anything E and up till now that cash in hasn't done anything for Theory. Give it a shot if you want.
Didn't Seth challenge Jey for the belt last month on raw? Watch show you no go gree . Theory cashed in for midcard belt and lost. That was the beginning of his burial.
ValeeLove: so, I asked a reason not an excuse. I'm not saying do it because it's convenient I'm saying do it because it makes sense. I'm not saying your reasons aren't important but couldn't they have found a better way to implement them? What did Cody and Paul gain from the match, absolutely nothing. But their characters would have definitely thought it a better plan to go for the MITB. What better way could Cody have revenge on Cena if not by winning the case and taking back the title from Cena. They could still have their tag match, but at RAW or another PPV, not at a once in a year extremely important PPV as MITB. It was not an intelligent choice to make and you know it. Don't say WWE did it because... No, why did the characters do it?
Lol do you need a briefcase to get a match with Cena? Randy, Punk, R-truth prove otherwise. The tag match may not be important but it got Cody Rhodes a pinfall victory Cena. It puts a stake in his claim for a rematch.
ValeeLove: Is Mariah in this? If she's not, again, where is the logic in calling yourself the "next" champion when you just came in and *boom* you're not even in the contender's match? Who wrote it? Not "future" not "very soon", but next? When the writer clearly knows that she's not even in the radar for the belt anytime soon. Make it make sense. Some times they act like adults don't watch this. Young Bucks, I'm not going to explain that but I'll play devil's advocate. They are both heels, they share the same enemies, and they don't actually care about the company - same as Death Riders (you can tell by Mox locking up the belt and running rampage on everyone), so they found a common ground, stopped the pretence and decide to take over AEW and do it their own way and in their own image as both teams need eachother.
Who wouldn't want more gold? I don't understand.
But, till now nobody knows why Brock attacked Cody. And since I stopped watching I don't know how many other nonsense booking they've done that nobody understands.
As I've said it times without number she along with the other women declared that they will be going for that title. That statement makes sense when you compare her to recent NXT signings, Ricky Saints and Ethan Page both of whom won titles soon after they debuted. Aren't the youngbucks EVPS? Why would you help someone takeover the company when you already hold executive positions? Brock is brock, he's never needed a reason to attack anyone.
@valeelove I told you there will be a contenders match . By the way did the youngbucks ever explain why they are supporting Moxley? They ran away from AEW for a while because they were scared of death riders. What is the endgame of Mercedes collecting belts from different promotions?.
Cena interfered in the Logan vs Jey match for the championship. Cody came out to help Jey even the odds then made the proposal for a tag team match at mitb. It was about two guys challenging two other guys in a tag match. There's no point putting Rhodes in the MITB match then losing when the plan is to have Seth win the briefcase. That will be back to back losses for Cody at PPV following mania. Logan lost at Saturday night main event where a tag match challenge was made by Cody. Why should he take the spot of another wrestler in mitb qualifiers when he has a tag match at same ppv?
The tag match at mitb also played into the story of Jey losing his title. Gunther berated Jey on the raw before the ppv for always helping out Sami and Cody rather than focus on the championship. Jey wrestled Gunther 48hours after that tag match while Gunther stayed fresh for almost a month preparing for him. Cody will have a rematch against Cena probably at summerslam for the title.
ValeeLove: let people wear what they want. I once saw Pu7pl3's favourite star The Miz appear naked in front of a camera and people, so what's the big deal with this.
you mean the sports entertainer? He isn't a legit professional wrestler like Kenny Omega
ValeeLove: wetin e no do. Or is he not going to Saudi?
yea thats dodgy coming from him after the miz tweet but let's face it Money talks and Saudi has the money. That's why all boxing and supacopa espana matches are held there. Sami zayn has gone there despite his affiliation to Syria. Tony Khan has also defended his father for doing business with them.
ValeeLove: lol. We had this conversation some weeks back. That's all heel stables are good for.
This one has no ideology, goal or direction. Evolution and Undisputed Era went for all the titles on their brand. Hurt syndicate went for the AEW tag titles, Seth's Faction wants to help him become world champion again. It's been a year since wyatt 6 debuted yet they have no purpose other than attacking people then disappearing for months.
Why are they using the wyatt 6 to bury the entire smackdown tag division? Since debuting all they do is attack people then randomly disappear for months.
pu7pl3: Maybe, but my gut feeling has been she'll be the one that wins it since she qualified immediately she lost the NXT title and she is Soo hot rn.
As for Solo I don't know why they keep booking him to look week, they about to feed him to Fatu now.
pu7pl3: She'll win the MITB and Guila will beat Vega for the US title.
Meanwhile Solo is Soo good on the mic now.
I don't see Stephanie winning mitb so soon. It will probably be naomi or Roxanne. Solo is so entertaining don't know why they made him a stoic enforcer for years.