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2 Peter 2:20-22 (KJV) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

This is context was talking about false prophets and teachers, preaching damnable heresy

2 Peter 2:1 (KJV) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

The message of grace glorifies Christ and does deny the works of Christ.

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sammy329:
Hebrews 10:36-39 (KJV) For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

This in context was not about the believer losing salvation, or else the author will be contradicting himself.

many think that the author is saying that if person claims to be a Christian but “draws back” he was either not saved to begin with, or he loses his salvation. Since the author of Hebrews knows a person cannot lose their salvation (10:10, 14), we know that he is not talking about such a situation.

The book of Hebrews was written in the time of persecution, so that the writer encourages believers to stand firm in the faith. Heb. 10:36-39 was encouraging the stand firm in the will of God, it was not referring to believers losing their salvation.

There is absolutely no where in Heb. 10:36-38 that believers can lose their salvation.

DappaD:

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The “Once saved, always saved” belief is a huge fallacy because Paul and Peter, noted that one can shrink back and return to engaging in former practices that are contrary to God's standards which will terminate a person's prospect for salvation. Hebrews 10:36-38, 2Peter 2:20-22

Hebrews 10:36-39 (KJV) For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

This in context was not about the believer losing salvation, or else the author will be contradicting himself.

many think that the author is saying that if person claims to be a Christian but “draws back” he was either not saved to begin with, or he loses his salvation. Since the author of Hebrews knows a person cannot lose their salvation (10:10, 14), we know that he is not talking about such a situation.

Hebrews 10:17 (KJV) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

2 Peter 1:6-10 (KJV) And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


In context, Peter was encouraging believers to take note of the virtues he listed before verse 10

DappaD:
So what did Paul and Peter mean at Philippians 2:12 and 2Peter 1:10?

Philippians 2:12-13 (KJV) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

It says work out your salvation, not work for your salvation, because there is a power at work in the believer to do good work

Believers are eternally secured in Christ

Hebrews 10:10-14 (KJV) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

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Sahara reporters have now become the hub of fake news. Shameless journalism going on over there.

So we should now fry egg or what??

I don't really care anymore, I'm tired of school already

, This Nnamdi Kanu guy is a real 419.

So some people believe that this lady is 25.

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Cas49:
Pls how much is the pay for lecturer in a federal university or poly?

Pls

For polytechnic, assistant lecturer: 104k

University: Assistant lecturer, 145k is the consolidated salary but net pay is 118k

Myer:
How did I read my own meaning into it.
Let's delve deeper into the sane chapter so you can see the conclusion, maybe the context would clarify this discussion.

Timothy 6:18-21
18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.

19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,

21 which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith. Grace be with you.

In Summary;
Verse 18 once again reiterates the emphasis on good works.
Verse 19 states clearly that they MAY take hold on to eternal life. Meaning they may also not attain it if they stray.
Verse 20 explains that false doctrines creep into the faith.
Finally Verse 21 clearly states that some have strayed from the faith. If you were to explain that, what does it mean?

Verse 17-18

1 Timothy 6:17-18 (KJV) Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

This is an instruction from Paul to Timothy to tell rich people not be high-minded and trust in uncertain riches i.e. the riches that won't last. He instructed them that being generous will store up true riches, which corroborate with the word of Jesus in Matt. 6:19-20.

What is the Lesson here: Generosity, not saying that believers could lose their salvation.

1 Timothy 6:20-21 (KJV) O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Paul instructed Timothy to avoid the profane talk and foolish arguments of what some people wrongly call “Knowledge.” That making those kind of argument is not point of Christian faith

CONTEXT IS KING

Myer:
The errors inherent due to multiple bible translations is a discussion for another day.

I'll show you how two different translations of the same bible verse stated direct opposites.

I know, even KJV is not free those errors, that why I make sure to read in context and make use of Strong's bible concordance for the Hebrew and Greek word of bible verse.

Scriptures that affirms our eternal security in Christ.

1. Hebrews 10:10 (KJV) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

2. Hebrews 10:14 (KJV) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

3. Hebrews 9:12 (KJV) Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

4. John 3:15-16 (KJV) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

5. Hebrews 5:9 (KJV) And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

6.Hebrews 10:17 (KJV) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

7. Isaiah 54:8-9 (KJV) In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.

@Myer 1 Tim 6:10 was never about believers loosing their salvation, it was about believers loosing their feet due to greed.

You claim to uphold true, biblical exegesis yet you deliberately quote scriptures out of context, you are the one making a bible eisegesis

@Myer Rev 20:12 was about the Great White throne Judgment not the judgement of Christ. The believers will not be judged of sin, because Christ has been judged of it already.

Myer:
Whether persistent of inconsistent faith, the import is they would have lost faith.

Using different versions of the bible to get your desired meaning will only create further omplications in your eisegesis. You will end up reading your own meaning into scriptures instead of accepting the obvious exegesis.

That said, my intention is not to convince you but simply to share what the bible says. It's your choice to do your own study as the Bereans and either accept or reject it.

Also, the other references in Hebrews (Willful sins) and Timothy (Greed) both confirm salvation can be lost.

Revelations 20:12 also confirms that everyone is going to be judged according to their works not their faith.

But what always causes this confusion is there are also scriptures that seems to confirm that salvation cannot be lost so I do understand your resistance.

I use different bible version, to help you in your comprehension, English is not too hard naaah

@Myer

Myer:
Re-read my last response. Modified and clarified for your comprehension.

I tell you, He will defend and protect and avenge them speedily. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find [persistence in] faith on the earth? Luke 18:8 Amplified version

At least amplified version should help you better, the faith in that context was talking about persistent in prayer.

Find another bible verse, using Luke 18:8 is ridiculous

Myer:
Luke 18:8 is an intermediary between the two parables. Where Jesus explained the moral of the parable he had just shared.

You would have noticed this if you paid attention to details.

Oya read for your self oooo, where did Jesus said a believer can lose salvation.

Luke 18:1-8 (KJV) And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.
And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Myer:
This is exactly why you keep misinterpreting the scriptures.
How can you compare the use of lost in both contexts?

“for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭19:10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

JOHN 17:12  12 “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Let's not forget what this discussion is about- that someone who was once saved can be lost either
- through willful sins Hebrews 10:26-27
- through greed (love of money) 1 Timothy 6:10
- through loss of faith Luke 18:8

This was also confirmed by the apostles Paul and Peter in their epistles when some of their followers strayed from the faith.

All those scriptures you quoted that believers can lose their salvation is totally out of place.


Using Luke 18:8 to justify that, is totally ridiculous, Luke 18:1-8 was a parable used by Jesus to encourage prayer

Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to teach them that they should always pray and never become discouraged. Luke 18:1.

Apart from that, how can you use parable as a source of doctrine

Kobojunkie:
Salvation does not come with the guarantee of Heaven though and that happens to be the major problem with the OPs claim.

I wonder how you read your bible. That your statement is a blatant lie

Myer:
You mean to say what was revealed through the Holyspirit contradicts what Jesus taught?

Cleqrly you need to spend more time reading than arguing.

He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. John 16:14

Where did I say that there was contradiction. I just said that the 4 gospels must be explained in the light of the epistle