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Austine1212:
We not fighting �

South Africa is no longer focusing on big cities, the focusing on picking up smaller cities to be more viable.

Even villages are getting shopping malls financial centers...
Better roads, better housing.

Skyscrapers are nice but SA are no longer making themthem a focus. Most europen countries don't built sky scrappers as part of preserving their culture of building.

Funny enough you still have more skyscraper construction than their zoo..Sandton is massive construction site...same as umhlanga in durban

Abohboy:
Part of Kenya's main imports are steel yet you produce steel what kind of lie is that one

Lol which steel...you should have asked if mother nature embedded steel under their feets

rvp2018:
Maybe repacked.. otherwise it simple let Thailand and India tell us their market for parboiled destined for Nigeria or Benin or Cameron has gone down.. factories are closing down.You see when you add something in Nigeria..you'll will substract somewhere else

Take a trip to Thailand and India to verify that

Abohboy:
When will you learn I even showed you images of the rice produced do you want me to do a step by step documentary if I went to the market tomorrow there would not be a trace of any rice made in Thailand or India all the rice will be made in Nigeria quite clearly

You can doubt it all you want but Nigeria is producing rice and the production of the rice is increasing and we will become self sufficient when will you get that in your head empty cocoyam

I am currently in New Geia and I can say it anyday anytime I have not encountered foreign rice in the market....H just can't help with the fact that we are diversifying so quick...he wants us to remain an oil dependent country...2021 is going to be massive, I mean what Dangote refinery will do to global oil price will be tremendous and impressive (OPEC has confirmed this severally)....oh and his fertilizer plant....

Rvp cry m a River...I know our can't help it

obidark:
something wrong with you kenyans....

lagos is like london is to europe,lagos is like egypt in the north,lagos is like dubia in arabia....

you kenyans seem to dont understand how underdeveloped africa was when those occupyin moroons left....
we practicaly started from zero....

that area called lagos was already long their,lagos is no cbd....

if you cant beat lagos,then their is nothing to discuss about....

and nigeria has many other ancient cities....

na sokoto una wan compete with....??....about what....??
even with boko issues,sokoto can still match kenya alone....

Lagos is the father of Kenya....they should deal with that

rvp2018:
I think Nairobi has 20 skyscrapers under construction..100m tall..the high-rise are not countable.The malls are so many we are closing the gap with South Africa.We are also spending nearly 2b in road infrastructure.We soon modernize our commuter rail.We are building 0.5m Housing units..mass housing

I just went back to count it and they have 18 skyscrapers under construction in joburg alone(this are the ones they must have discussed about That forum).....now CADD the ones under construction in Cape town, Durban Pretoria then slap that blogger for decieving you

rvp2018:
Same difference...I am estimating..I don't have to be precise to make my point. The point is next year Nairobi will have more dollar millionaires than Lagos.

Hahahaha let's wait and see... enough of this noise....

Wet pipe dreams

rvp2018:
Nigeria oil from North East makes it way to Lagos and Abuja... everyone knows that

This is so insane of you

rvp2018:
Because you have Trump wall..dude go fight Boko Haram and leave rice smugglers to help drive the cost of living down for 100m desperately poor Nigerians.Do you know a small increase in food inflation drives so many not so poor Nigerians to poverty

Storyteller..I care less about the nonsense you wrote, so long as the price is going down and we are gradually becoming self sufficient....The funny thing is you were the one castigating us few months ago for allowing smugglers to smuggle rice and other goods to Nigeria. Now you are supporting thesame smugglers

rvp2018:
JSE is huge.. Nigeria stock exchange is about twice Nairobi and Dangote companies are responsible for nearly half of the market cap

And is Dangote companies running the oil industry.... nonsense

rvp2018:
VW group and other multinational who bought the lie, hook, line and sinker are regretting that.Ask them.They run to Ghana.

Font be silly. They didn't leave because of the nonsense you are Implying...They left becaythe ease of doing business in Ghana in better than ease of doing business in Nigeria...well that is gradually changing

rvp2018:
When Benin and Cameron stop importing rice they cannot possibly consume from Asia I will believe it

They can continue importation but it is not entering Nigeria

rvp2018:
Fake GDP don't impress nobody

Tell that to the juggernauts around the world that says otherwise.....

rvp2018:
When private developers stop building them we will let you know...they are staking their money so understand more about effective demand than you know

Stop decieving yourself, you have a dwindling real estate sector .....

obidark:
‘An indictment of South Africa’: whites-only town Orania is booming

The western corporate media has had it in for White Afrikaners for decades now. That’s because they were not only disinclined to follow the British Empire’s plans for southern Africa, they were also openly hostile to the corporate culture’s plans for the region.
Whereas the Boers were farmers, both the Rothschild-backed Anglo-American and De Beers corporations controlled most of South Africa’s vast mineral wealth, or at least they did during the apartheid era. During those years both corporations were instrumental in securing Mandela’s release from prison and thereafter they helped the ANC’s ascent to power. Although, of course, the objective was not to improve the lot of poor South Africans but to ensure they continued to dominate the country’s lucrative mining sector.
Even Ronnie Kasrils, an ANC activist and friend of Mandela, admitted that the Party leaders had sold Black South Africans “down the river” in their deals with the mining giants.
None of this is mentioned in the following Guardian report. It also makes one other crucial omission. Violent crime is now endemic in South Africa with many residents ready to emigrate because of the appalling rates of murder and assault. Around 57 people are murdered every day in South Africa, making it one of world’s most dangerous countries, and murder and rape rates are climbing.
In contrast, a Black teenage girl was shot and wounded in the leg just outside Orania in 2000, nearly 20 years ago. That’s the one major crime I could find that had been committed in Orania. Contrast that with the 57-58 murders PER DAY in South Africa and you can begin to grasp why the White Afrikaners first implemented the policy of apartheid.
Crucially, the following report makes absolutely no mention of South Africa’s appalling rates of violent crime. Nor does it mention the near absence of violent crime in Orania. The omission is significant and, we suspect, deliberate because the growth of violent crime in South Africa has undoubtedly contributed directly to the growth of Orania.
Not that the Guardian would say so. It is too busy spouting liberal clichés to state the obvious. Ed.
‘An indictment of South Africa’: whites-only town Orania is booming
Dennis Webster in Orania – The Guardian Oct 24, 2019

October in Orania can be charming. When the sun sets, long ribbons of burnt orange settle on the horizon. The flies and mosquitoes that come with the summer’s oppressive heat haven’t arrived yet. It is Magdalene Kleynhans’ favourite time of year. “You can sit outside until late into the night,” says the businesswoman, whose family spends much of their time outdoors. Her children fish from the banks of the Orange River whenever they choose. Kleynhans leaves the house unlocked. “It’s a good life. It’s a big privilege.”

But there is much more to this small Northern Cape town than the bucolic ideal painted by Kleynhans. Incredibly, 25 years after the fall of apartheid, Orania is a place for white people only.

Kleynhans runs one of Orania’s biggest enterprises: a call centre whose business is recruiting and retaining members for Solidariteit, a trade union primarily for Afrikaner workers, and Afriforum, a self-styled “civil rights” movement. Afriforum recently met with US president Donald Trump’s administration and Tucker Carlson of Fox News to tell them that Afrikaners are facing a widely discredited genocide. Both have made extensive investments in Orania’s construction boom.
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Actually, claims about the levels of violent crime in South Africa have NOT been discredited. Despite the Guardian’s reference to “widely discredited genocide”, the South African government itself now acknowledges that the country is turning into a “war zone”.
Rising crime, much of it targeting white farmers, also accounts for the mass exodus of Afrikaner farmers from South Africa to southern Russia.
Once again this salient point is entirely unmentioned by the Guardian. White Boer farmers are leaving South Africa, just as Rhodesian farmers once left Zimbabwe, because violence and government incompetence is forcing them to. Indeed, events in South Africa are almost an exact replay of what happened in Rhodesia: where the advent of majority rule turned what was once called ‘Africa’s bread-basket’ into a barren dustbowl.
Instead of highlighting this related fact, the Guardian obscures the truth of the matter. Making this article an example of how journalism is being used as a means of propaganda. Ed.
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Oranians claim the town is a cultural project, not a racial one. Only Afrikaners are allowed to live and work there to preserve Afrikaner culture, the argument goes.

The reality, however, is a disquieting and entirely white town, littered with old apartheid flags and monuments to the architects of segregation. While there are no rules preventing black people from visiting, those who live nearby fear they would be met with violence.

The town has faced numerous calls for it to be broken up over the years, with prominent author and advocate Tembeka Ngcukaitobi arguing its existence violates South Africa’s successful dismantling of racial segregation. “Orania,” he says, “represents downright hostility to the idea of a single, united, non-racial country.”
Large-scale eviction

Orania was created in 1991, a year after Nelson Mandela’s release from Robben Island, and three years before the country’s first democratic election.

Set among lush pecan nut orchards in the otherwise arid Karoo, it was set-up as an Afrikaner-only hamlet, not dissimilar from the ethnic Bantustans established under former prime minister, Hendrik Verwoerd, often dubbed the “architect of apartheid”.

By the end of the 1980s, the probability of losing control had already occurred to many Afrikaners, with some believing that impending democracy posed an existential threat to the white Afrikaans way of life. A few felt protecting that required becoming a demographic majority somewhere, rather than remaining a minority everywhere.

So a small group of Afrikaners – Verwoerd’s daughter and son-in-law, Carel Boshoff, among them – purchased a strip of land on the southern banks of the Orange River, and went about setting up a volkstaat, or independent homeland, where Afrikaners would decide their own affairs.

Orania’s founders did not settle on virgin territory, but on the remains of a half-realised 1960s project to build canals and dams along the Orange River. A community of 500 poor black and mixed-race squatters who had made their homes in the buildings left behind by the project stood between the new owners and their whites-only vision.

Speaking to the community after the purchase, Boshoff reportedly said he “did not buy a bus with passengers”. What followed, according to Cambridge historian Edward Cavanagh’s history of land rights on the Orange River, was one of the last large-scale evictions under apartheid. It was carried out by the future residents of Orania, with the assistance of beatings, pistol whippings and dogs.
The population has doubled

After three decades as a quiet backwater, Orania is booming. Its population – currently around 1,700 – has doubled over the last seven years. The most recent census estimates growth of more than 10% a year, outstripping most comparable rural towns and more, proportionally, than South Africa’s biggest cities.

Population growth means a flourishing housing market and construction industry. Neat suburban homes have been joined by new apartment blocks and walkups which sell for as much as R1.5 million (£80,000), putting them on par with comparable homes in Johannesburg. There is an industrial zone of brick and aluminium factories which sell their products around South Africa. China buys most of the pecan nuts.

The growth shows no signs of slowing. A sewage works meant to accommodate 10,000 future residents is in the pipeline. There are designs to transform the town’s humble technical training facility – where many of the skills driving the town’s new construction were taught – into a university.

Not a single brick has been laid by a black worker. In a reverse of the usual situation in South Africa, all low-paying work in Orania – from keeping the town’s gardens to packing the shelves in its grocery stores – is performed by hard-up white Afrikaners. It is increasing numbers of poor labourers, whose tenancy is often less secure and who either rent or rely on subsidies from Orania’s cooperative bank, who are largely behind the town’s growing population.

Orania is owned by the Vluytjeskraal Aandeleblok (Vluytjeskraal Share Block) company which, together with a series of internally elected bodies, is responsible for the town’s municipal decision making.

People who want to live in Orania buy shares in the Vluytjeskraal Aandeleblok, instead of freehold. The screening of prospective shareholders allows for tight control. Buyers undergo extensive vetting, central to which is their fidelity to Afrikaans language and culture, a commitment to employing only white Afrikaners, and a string of conservative Christian undertakings. Unmarried couples, for instance, cannot live together.

The town exists at the mercy of the South African constitution. In the early 2000s, a planned remapping of boundaries that would have brought Orania under the control of a democratically elected municipality appeared to spell the end, but the town successfully appealed to the high court using the constitutional rights of the country’s minority cultural groups.
Pursued and harassed

A quarter of a century after the end of apartheid, black people are restricted to using the filling station on the edge of Orania. Benjamin Khumalo* is one of them.

The 55-year-old and his wife, who have lived on a small nearby plot since the 1980s, were once pursued and harassed by a pickup truck covered with Orania stickers when walking home after an evening with friends. “Now you must run,” he urged his wife, pushing her through a fence. “I’ll be behind you.”

Khumalo still remembers when Orania was a home for black families. The guns carried on the hips of many Oranians, however, have been enough to convince him never to enter the town again. “They will hurt you,” he says. “There is nothing we can do.”

Unsurprisingly, Orania’s white residents have a different take. The town’s doctor, Philip Nothnagel, describes South African cities as “warzones”. He lived in the country’s administrative capital, Pretoria, before he moved to Orania. The 10 months since have been the best of his life, he says.

“It’s the first time in history that a country has been established without a war,” he adds, sporting a Lincolnesque beard after he dressed up as Paul Kruger during recent celebrations of the Boer hero. “It’s like boere [white Afrikaners] Disneyland. Except you never have to go home.”

The spectre of Verwoerd, the architect of apartheid, is difficult to escape. His portrait and bust seem to be around every corner. His wife, Betsie, is buried in the town, and her old home has been converted into a Verwoerd museum.

His grandson Carel Boshoff junior is a former leader of the Orania Movement, which first proposed the idea of Orania in the 1980s. Boshoff junior is perhaps one of the more unlikely fans of the pianist Abdullah Ibrahim, whose music plays on a laptop in his office.

Like his parents and grandparents, Boshoff fears white Afrikaners face a real threat of “being wiped out”, either through violence or what he calls “amalgamation”. He believes the recent expansion of Orania is just the start.

“We are something like the phoenix in the ashes,” he says. “The questions to which Orania is the answer are so fundamental to the structure of South African society that you can’t express and affirm your Afrikaner identity without coming to the conclusion of a bigger Orania.”
Offended by Orania

Orania has continued largely uncontested since its victorious appeal to the high court in the early 2000s. The ANC government does not appear to be considering an appeal of the high court decision. Zamani Saul, head of the ANC-run Northern Cape government, has said an inquiry into Orania’s legal status is yet to be concluded.

For Ngcukaitobi, the author, Orania “represents the reversal of the constitutional project of national building.” The rights that underpinned the town’s high court challenge against the remapping are not unlimited, he says. Anyone who cares about South Africa “would rightly be offended by what Orania represents, which is an enduring legacy of racial mobilisation”.

Orapeleng Moraladi, Northern Cape secretary of the Congress of South African Trade Unions, blames the town’s continued existence on the courts, an uncooperative Orania leadership, and a lack of political will from the ANC. “[The town] is like embracing an apartheid system within a democratic state,” he says. “Orania is an indictment of the government of South Africa.”

Sorry help me summarise it...what does it says

rvp2018:
We have small problem of bear run in our stock market...it will soon recover because we don't depend on oil or minerals...we will certainly overtake Lagos in number of USD millionaires next year..but you know Dangote and 2 other dollar billionaire are responsible for maybe 30b out of the 108B..or you are also that dense

Long talk...Lagos alone is richer than the entire Kenya...try having an economy at $136bn growing at 4% according to world bank then you can comeback so we can discuss....fake GDP blah blah blah

pacretus:
stfumf. You keep shouting oil. Why were you kiberans happy when you managed to get few barrels.?

Nigeria has a population that is thriving, young and underutilized. If your brain is functional, think of how well the economy will grow in the next few years.
Telecom
Agribusiness
Manufacturing
Mining and other activities.

Help me tell rvp to cry me a River...we are going gold mining next year alongside steel production.....
Rvp kiss my ass you can't hate a blessed nation filled with resources that can provide fast wealth

pacretus:
stfumf. You keep shouting oil. Why were you kiberans happy when you managed to get few barrels.?

Nigeria has a population that is thriving, young and underutilized. If your brain is functional, think of how well the economy will grow in the next few years.
Telecom
Agribusiness
Manufacturing
Mining and other activities.

Help me tell rvp to cry me a River...we are going gold mining next year alongside steel production.....
Rvp kiss my ass you can't hate a blessed nation filled with resources that can provide fast wealth

rvp2018:
all dreams are valid.where is Nigeria rice...consumers are asking now after blockade of the border

Nonsense..since the border closure I have never sited any foreign rice...This is yet another way you use to massage your fingers..you are delusional

rvp2018:
My take Nairobi like AfroAsia says will next year overtake Lagos in wealth score and like JLC says is no 6 world fastest growing city in real estate will soon overtake Joburg.I don't have my own data...I use reputable data that is cross verifiable.I refuse Nigeria GDP data because it's overcooked.Its easy to know if data is cooked because they don't add up.Ask VW group who sold 20 cars in entire Nigeria hahaha..these are entry level cars..when they sell half a million in South Africa and 200 in Rwanda

Tell that private Afraasia bank from Mauritius to kiss my ass.....let them praises your cooked GDP...

Btw is afra-asia bank not in Kenya

Shma:
Okay. Am not refuting your statement. But let's break this down. One of your brother once posted your wealth record using percentage as a determining factor. You were at around 57% but with a population twice Kenya's, south Africa was around 90% but with half your population, kenya was at 88%.. Now this comes to mind. When they sum up all the wealthy cities by population you guys takes it. So that clearly shows that when it come to ranking of poorest countries Nigeria will still take the crown. Dangote's oil is contributing 50% of your economy. Don't want to talk about south Africa.

What is the meaning of Dangote oil....The fact that you don't know that he is not in the oil business shows that you don't even know what you are saying

rvp2018:
I think only Joburg, Capetown and maybe Durban are bigger than Nairobi.Joburg GDP is possibly 80B dollars..I estimate Nairobi to be about 50B.Yes Nairobi has some way but it growing so fast...and will catch up sooner than you think..15yrs max.Nairobi was voted no 6 most dynamic ( read fastest growing) city in the world..in a list dominated by Indian and China cities.Nearly half of all skyscrapers under construction in Africa are in Nairobi...soon Nairobi will have tallest or biggest anything.Multinational are choosing Nairobi as their HQ for their Africa operations outside of South Africa.

Common will you erase that nonsense you wrote...That nonsense report is definitely wrong....Aside leaopard tower which is africa tallest building joburg has like 10 towers under construction as we speak this is even outside the high rises that is under construction..Cape town has 6 towers under construction with the lowest out of that six being 28 floor and the highest being 48 floor...Durban has a 47 , 32 and 28 floor building under construction and this is outside the numerous high rise under construction...just visit skyscraper city and cure yourself from all this ignorance....


Look at you think your zoo is expanding better that other African nation..compete with Adissa abba if you can

rvp2018:
Read this thread backward..we have covered all that..so many times.

We covered nothing except the ones you covered in your head......stop being delusional

rvp2018:
Two lonely desolate unoccupied towers..poor Eko 2yrs late.Not a sign of live in the picture.

I am sure you saw where he specifically stated "Eko Marina" didn't you..he was simply tryinyto show progress on that section of ekoatlantic which is the dredging of the marina

Just30:
let see what Nigeria will do when Ghana close it borders without consulting anyone and the goods of nigerians gets rotten and damaged causing losses

Nothing will happen..go and ask your trade union and your govt

pokuasi:
You see how small minded you Ghanaians can be and it's really appalling to the rest of humanity with complex rationale faculty.. so, ghana knows what responsibility is, yet went ahead to cut the number of days for which any citizen can spend in the member countries, from 90 days to 60.. increased the amount charged on Ecowas plate numbers and reduced the days such plate numbers can spend in her country.. ghana is a signatory to Ecowas protocols which encourages trade amongst member State but ghana and Ghanaians are destroying NIGERIAN own business yet coming to Nigeria to buy goods they call inferior..

Is true..I am.glad that what we've done in our own interest is also serving as retaliation to all those Nigerian business that they closed...

Did you read my recent post on what their trade union was saying

rvp2018:
I think around 2034 but seeing how Nigeria diaspora are drugging them, Zuma)ANC stealing 35b dollars, racial tensions being invited by Malemas, minning woes the prognosis for South Africa is bad...they are expected to grow 0_2% the next decade..so 10yrs is possible.South Africa are caught in middle income trap and their education is completely messed up so they can't escape it.

You are right...just make it 5 years....

Nonsense wet pipe unachievable dream

Abohboy:
It said possibly Lagos is getting back on its feet with the lekki free trade zone, lekki deep seaport, Badgary deep seaport Eko Atlantic and alaro city the way that lekki axis will grow lagos's economy will just boom to 250 billion dollars with the blink of the eye Nigeria is growing and no one can stop us you can watch on awe as a country changes from corruption and evil to accountability and modernity

Lol.you have time to answer that mumu boy with long write up..... writing is very strenuous for me mostly especially when it has no effect on a retarded brain

rvp2018:
Well AfroAsia bank of Mauritus plus all the data crunchers don think so..you certainly think highly of your puny brain

Lol.you.mean your cooked GDP...look at Adissa abba and see what a city of about $45+ is and compare it with your supposed $50bn city....

rvp2018:
Position 6..morroco we might overtake in 5yrs.Algeria and Nigeria fate depend on oil fate.Egypt and South Africa are strong diversification economies we should try aim for in 15yrs

Hahaha no longer 10 years

rvp2018:
Well they will certainly overtake lagos

They have finally overtaken nairobi and this fact, you know it

rvp2018:
Not far behind Joburg...I think if count skyscrapers under construction in both cities
.. Nairobi will soon have edge.Nairobi has to fix housing deficit of around 0.5m, fix infrastructure deficit and it be at Joburg level.Most multinational are now choosing Nairobi over Joburg as their Africa HQ

Adisa ABBA is not far from joburg level and if they continue at that pace they will be at Shenzhen or Osaka's level in 2035