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TAO11:
You heaped the above inherently contradictory dogshit even with false timelines, but yet when put in your little place by sesan85 (who showed the use of the word "Oba" in relation to a Yoruba monarch in the 1800s), you threw further tantrums as well as lies which I will expose in a moment.

Do you even bother to read what you type before clicking "Submit"?

If you actually do read your own comments before submitting, then you would have saved yourself from this self-embarrassing statement to the effect that the use of the word "Oba" for a Yoruba monarch in the 1800s (as shown by sesan85) was subsequent the year 1940s.

No! 1800s came before 1940s, okay?

The chief propagandist, David Edebiri (the Esogban of Benin) has clearly done a huge damage to your already pea-sized, one-cell brain.

You are such a fatuous, janus-faced, insanely moronic liar.

There was no use of the word "Oba" in any 1516 Portuguese letter.

I challenge you to provide the content of the Benin letter showing the audio word "Oba". Also, provide the full reference to the content so everyone else can also see through your lies. Idiot.

On the contrary, Reverend Samuel Johnson writing in the 1800s (specifically prior to the year1898) made many references to the word "Oba" as used for different Yoruba kings who ruled in the 1700s, 1600s, and 1500s.

Quoting word-for-word directly from his writing, the following are a few examples of such use:

(1) "Several points of similarity may be noted between the ALAFIN and his Basorun. The ALAFIN is Oba (a king), he is Iba (a lord)."

(2) "From this incident, King ABIPA was nick-named Oba M'oro (the King who caught ghosts)."

(3) "And this has passed into proverb, "Oku dede ki a ko iwi wo Akesan, Oba, Jayin te ori gba aso". (At the approach to Akesan of a company of chanting Eguguns, King JAYIN buried his head in a shroud.) Used of one who anticipates the inevitable."

(4) "Oaths were no more taken in the name of the gods, who were now considered too lenient and indifferent; but rather in the name of the King [i.e. King AOLE himself] who was more dreaded. "Ida Oba ni yio je mi" (may the King's sword destroy me) was the new form of oath!"

Reference: Samuel Johnson, "The History of the Yorubas". Completed 1897, Published 1921. pp.71, 166, 171, and 188 respectively.

In your subsequent reply to this, remeber to adduce some of these so-called "all documented evidence", and how they showed that the then Deji of Akure was not an "Oba".

Wait a minute, how come Akure has "Deji" instead of "Enogie"? Isn't Akure supposed to be a tRiBuTaRy uNdEr BeNiN kInGdOm? LMAO!

Your ignorance in this regards stinks to high heavens.

First of all, the word "Ya.ri.ba" which you seem to be alluding to here (as is popularly used by Nairaland ignoramus) is an early European attempt at rendering of the word "Yoruba" (I will provide the reference for this as soon as I find it shortly).

Interestingly, this word "Ya.ri.ba" is meaningless in the languages of the Hausas and Fulanis.

May be we should replicate your base reasoning here to concluded that the word "Benin" -- which was similarly an European attempt at rendering the word "Ubini" -- originally relates to Gays because the word "Benin" could mean "Boys" in Arabic.

Yes!

Nope. Unlike you and other notorious Edo liars, we don't have any need for lies when it has to do with our history.

Accept who you are -- An Edo slave of the Yoruba-King of Benin.

cc: RuggedSniper.

He's the dumbest Bini revisionist I've ever come across, and there are many of them. Rarely have I seen a load of incoherent contradictory self-owns in one write-up. Smh.

[quote author=AreaFada2 post=91781255]Chai, see a very pained person.

So pained you could not even read to understand.

Despite your claim to omniscience and wisdom of king Solomon, you couldn't see where I wrote that your kings may well have been known as Obas, possibly much later in history, they never appended the title Oba.

You are quoting what someone wrote in 1840s.
Can you compare that to a letter written from Benin to Lisbon by a Portuguese in 1516 clearly mentioning Oba of Beny (Benin), and Benin-Idah war that began over a year earlier and still raging at the time?

When Benin sacked Akure in 1818 and beheaded their king Arakale for rebellion, all documented evidence never attached the title Oba to Deji of Akure.

Same was the case with Kings' titles throughout lands that the Muslims later baptised Yoruba (to mean untrustworthy, deceitful, unreliable, etc).

Let me remind you that many yoruba people come with their condescending attitude, self given title of over educated and sophisticated, like they founded Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Sorbonne, Heidelberg, Bologna, Leuven, Karolinska, etc.

They then argue blindly hoping to get no opposition. They end up swearing like a common agbero so prevalent in SW.

I Know your antics by now.
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Dude, you're the dumbest Bini revisionist I've come across. The fact that a Yoruba descendant (Military General) in far away Brazil Candido da Fonseca Galvao was calling himself "Dom Oba II D'Africa" as far back as the 19th century already nullifies your codeine-influenced, IQ-deficient, not-here-not-there "1940s" ahistorical codswallop. Binis, the same people who got Ogun, Shango, Ifa, Osun, Eshu, Olokun from Yorubas claiming Oba originates from them, lol. The effrontery!

AreaFada2:
As late as 1940s, no Yoruba king used the title Oba. Yes, people knew them as "Oba". But why has Oba become part of every King's title since the last 40 to 50 years?
How did it become generic?

Copied from an illustrious user of that name.

That is a fact. You are the super ignorant one.

We have discuses the topic on Nairaland now for nearly 10 years.

Generic ko, genetic ni!

Another typical ignorant Bini revionisist. It's your own problem if you don't know the meaning of the term "generic." Just look at this ill-educated dross: "As late as 1940s, no Yoruba king used the title Oba." What does this dishonest, fraudulent, ignorant horseshit even mean!?

When Afro-Brazilian
Cândido da Fonseca Galvão (1845-1890) called himself "Dom
Obá II D'África" because he was a grandson of Alaafin Abiodun of Oyo as far back as the 19th century? When the Oyo Empire itself had Oja Oba (King's market) near the palace?

What next, Bini revisionist; that Ogun, Shango (whom you call Ishango) and Eshu are Bini deities? Bloody liars!

Maduawuchukwu:
That he failed to do it does not mean Buhari should not. South Easterners still pay tax to the FG you know.

Oga blame Jonathan, the person you voted for and call a "helo" for not doing it.

Maduawuchukwu:
Why should state governments build a bridge that is ordinarily the responsibility of the Federal Government?

Why didn't your "helo" Goodluck Jonathan do it?

IgbalodeRaymond:
blood of Jesus!

I repeat Abacha's government will be a Child's play compare to this government.

see broad day light looting with alacrity and impunity
yet some people are still supporting this government
as in how can you exonerate buhari but criticise this?
how how how?

Security failed
economy failed
infrastructure below average
health care failed
ok the so called anti corruption matra failed failed failed!

now tell me oh yee Buhari's supporters.
on what basis are you still supporting him
chaiii una get conscience ni?

Yeah, blame the Fulani guy for the atrocious looting of the Niger Delta by Niger Deltans themselves. Typical Osu IPOB reasoning.

Ykc2:
I heard that Ekiti state is 4 million in population and half of the population are professors so I heard and yet Ekiti state dont va candle factory, you welcome British people too[left][/left] and mrs tinubu was busy selling slaves to them

That's none of your business! Go go back to your potopoto hellhole where you kill yourselves over 2-by-2 lands.

martineverest:
didn't u see where I wrote some villages in Edo north.....Sabongida ora is a town in Edosl north.people like dele momodu hail from region

the other Edo people from Edo State that bear yoruba names are mostly the ones that were born in Yoruba land or their parents stayed long in Yoruba land

Dude stop being half-smart and dishonest. Usen people were not born in Yorubaland neither were their parents born in Yorubaland. Usen people are located in Ovia South West of Edo State. The reason they bear Yoruba names and speak Yoruba language is because they haven't forgotten their Yoruba (Ile Ife) roots. Their King is Olu Awure (Elawure). Many families in Sabongida Ora bear Yoruba names like Ogedengbe and Idowu, not because their parents grew up in Yorubaland. Take your ignorance or dishonesty elsewhere.

IAMPhoenix007:
There is no Yoruba speaking tribe or part in Togo, the only people who speak Yoruba in Togo are Yorubas who do business in Togo or togolese who once live in western Nigeria.

Typical Osu IPOB Igbo. So ignorant and proud of it. The Ana Ife people of Atakpame and Kambole must be from Potopoto Arochukwu.

[quote author=AreaFada2 post=91759745]Oba is a pure Benin name.

Oba is shining. As in the shining light of Benin. More correctly "Omo n'Oba n'Edo, uku akpolokpplo". Oba Can be used to describe red or ododo. What is the real meaning of the title "Oba" in Yoruba? Alafin, OOni, Olu, Owa, etc all have a meaning that we know.

Oba is even a shortened form. An extra title is "Ogie" or Lord. But because dukes and senior chiefs can also use that title, ogie is less used for Oba.

Other titles in Southern Nigeria that came from Benin world "ogie" are Ogiame as in the original title of Olu of Warri, Onojie (from ogie/enogie) used in Esanland, Ovie or Orodje used in Urhobo and Isoko land.

I am sure if Isoko, Esan, Itsekhiri had become majority tribes over time, some would now the arguing that Benin borrowed Ogie word from them.

Benin do not just do things with historical details behind it.

Having said that, Benin, Igbo, Yoruba, Fon, Ewe and others are from same language group: Volta-Niger/East Kwa/West-Benue branch of Niger-Congo group. Some remnants of the archaic ur-language must have remained in some words.

Oga Oba is a Yoruba term. Oba started with the kingship of Oranmiyan. You guys used Ogie before Oranmiyan.

Oba is a generic term for Yoruba Kings who all have their own personal titles. Ooni of Ife, Oba Ogunwusi; Alaafin of Oyo, Oba Adeyemi; Awujale of Ijebu, Oba Adetona; Alake of Egbaland, Oba Gbadebo etc. Stop being ignorant.

AlabiJ:
Guy, stop spreading falsehood. Benin people are Not yoruba. They are a separate and distinct ethnicity. The only yoruba link they have starts and ends with their monarchy. Only the Oba of Benin and the Benin monarchy have Yoruba bloodline via Oranmiyan. Outside of the monarchy, Benin people are a distinct ethnic group from Yorubas in every ramification, so stop trying to rewrite their history or form attache by force. Respect their distinctiveness.

I also hate it when my Yoruba people call Benin people Yoruba, that's disrespectful. But there are many places in Edo State where they speak Yoruba/bear Yoruba names. The people of Sabongida Ora bear Yoruba names. They speak Yoruba and bear Yoruba names in Akoko Edo. The people of Usen still speak Yoruba and also bear Yoruba names. Usen people came from Ile Ife; their king is Elawure (Olu Awure).

leaculpa:
clarion chukwura has acted several yoruba movies. She is very fluent. She must have lived here all her life.

Her mother is even Yoruba

BennyDon:
Fathia is an Itsekiri woman.
Itsekiris are proudly Yorubas!

Fathia's father is Urhobo, not Itsekiri. Her mother is however Yoruba.

martineverest:
she is ibo who had a child( Clarence Peter's) with a Yoruba man,sir Shina peters

Oga, Clarion Chukwura's mother is Yoruba. She is half-Yoruba. Go look it up before making an ass out of yourself. She's acted in plenty Yoruba movies too.

martineverest:
we have never accepted or identify ourselves as Yoruba...the only side of Edo state that bear Yoruba names are akoko edo And some few villages in Edo north...


tho ,I have seen many Edo people that blend with Yoruba and even speak the language as if they are Yoruba people... generally,Edo people blend with all tribes easily

Oga, Akoko Edo is not the only side of Edo State that bear Yoruba names, why are you lying? They bear Yoruba names Sabongida Ora too. Femi Ogedengbe and Modupe Ozolua come to mind.
Usen people still speak Yoruba and
bear Yoruba names too. Usen people came from Ile
Ife and their king is Elawure (Olu Awure).

lee818:
Please edo doesn't identify themselves as Yoruba. I am from Edo (Esan) we speak Esan language only and do not have yoruba as our second language. Please stop spreading false information

Dude, Usen people still speak Yoruba and
bear Yoruba names too. Usen people came from Ile
Ife and their king is Elawure (Olu Awure). Stop lying.

[quote author=prezeus post=91753923][color=#550000][/color]
Which Edo people speak Yoruba as a second language Don't say what you don't know.
There are tribes in akoko-edo LGA that speaks Yoruba asides them no other tribes speaks Yoruba in Edo state. Historically the akoko-edo people are Yorubas captured by the great Benin empire. [/quote

Dude stop lying! Usen people still speak Yoruba and bear Yoruba names too. Usen people came from Ile Ife and their king is Elawure (Olu Awure).

martineverest:
she is not a Yoruba actress....Na English nollywood she dey act

Oga she's acted in uncountable Yoruba movies, and she's also half-Yoruba.

9jathingsonpoint:
Liz Anjorin is a Togolese Yoruba

Nah, it's Liz Da-Silva

Tinax:
Clara chukwura...

Well Clarion Chukwura is half-Yoruba

[quote author= post=91753005]They love Yoruba and during regional government Edo and Delta massively voted to be separated from West, go and read your history [/quote

Uche Okoye the Osu IPOB boy, we all know the people who cry endlessly of being rejected by Ikwerre and so-called Delta "Igbos." For your information, Rose Odika is from Ugbodu in Aniocha, a town founded by Yoruba people from Ondo so she's still family. Stop crying and face your Potopoto hellhole.

Ykc2:
If calabar is capital of nigeria the same thing will be happening ,every one will understand calabar

,if lagos was never a capital of Nigeria Lagos will just be like othe states in nigeria,today lekki will still be reptiles infested forest ,

Shut up, Potopoto Osu IPOB pig! Lagos was a cosmopolitan city that has been welcoming foreigners even as far back as the the 18th century. European traders as well as Yorubas who returned from Brazil, Cuba and Sierra Leone already made Lagos the cynosure of all eyes. The first schools, buildings, mosques, educationists were already in Lagos long before your Osu ancestors brought their "stateless" asses over here.

Well, Rose Odika is from Ugbodu in Anioma which means she is automatically descended from Yorubas who founded Ugbodu.

Itu Eye sounds Efik-Ibibio-ish