LordReed:


So what exactly is your objection? They can sense humans by heat and sound yet when we ask you that can they sense humans you say not necessarily. I don't understand what you are objecting to.

See how you twist things!

shadeyinka5:

Not necessarily!
Their normal sensory perception could detect signatures such as heat and sound but direct remote perception is out of it.

LordReed:


So as humans emit sound and heat they'll be able to detect those right?

Of course!

LordReed:


Will the robots be able to sense where the humans are?

Not necessarily!
Their normal sensory perception could detect signatures such as heat and sound but direct remote perception is out of it.

tintingz:
Sigh.

You need it!!

NPComplete:


Lol. This guy daft sha . U better go and get a dictionary and learn what sarcasm means. So the holy spirit u claim to have didn't tell u there is nothing remotely close to sarcasm in that post abi? Lol

If u spent a tenth of the time u use in arguing senselessly on nairaland to really study, by now u will have been able to identify when a post is sarcastic and when it isn't. Swerve.

The thing pain you!?

Can you see how your uncultured nature reeks about?

NPComplete:


Just negodu this guy. Hahahaha.

So u can use intelligence and strength without being able to visualise and perceive the target to locate it and know when u have achieve the aim? How does intelligence work without sensory perception? How can a tiger run another tiger out of its territory without being able to visualize the extent of its territory and when the other tiger is out of it?

Laugh wan kill me here. I am done with u jare. It is obvious thinking isn't one of your strong suites. I have no intention of being dragged along in a senseless argument where the opposition refuses to employ any iota of what can even be likened to sense. I have always suspected u are a very dumb person and it's not religion that's responsible for your handicap. U have been like that naturally. Now I am very sure.

Bye!!!

Sorry for yourself.
Sarcasm doesn't change anything. It's just a way to hide mental inadequacies!

tintingz:
A robot must be able to interact and follow commands anything aside that is just a woody doll.

The OP premise painted a robot evolving in intelligence and conciousness.

Intelligence isn't exclusive to people with sight.
Do you disagree?

NPComplete:


Jesus Christ man!!!! Just stop already. Arguing pointlessly is not a virtue.
If they can't visualize, how can they plot to overthrow?

Using their intelligence and brute strength!

Maximus69:
UNCHRISTIAN CHARACTER! is what REALLY bothers me Sir!
If you claim to be a believer and another person also claims to be a believer but their is clear contradictions between the both of YOU. What the GB of the first century Christians say is try to reason with such a person with deep respect and self control [1Peter 3:15] but if such a person insisted on what he beliefs leave the person and go for a calm listener NOT arguing or insulting people all because they hold a different opinion from yours! 2John 8-11
So there is no reason to argue if we do not agree [Philippians 2:14, Colossians 2:4, 1Timothy 6:4, Titus 3:9] just RESPECTFULLY walk away and be peaceable with all men! Romans 12:18

Don't quote out of context.
Irrespective of who the person is a Christian must not insult the personality of another.
When it comes to disputing with the religious , we have examples

Acts 17:17: "Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews , and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him."

Acts 19:8: "And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God."


Preaching the gospel of Christ is another matter. You can't force anyone to listen to the gospel. If they say, we don't want to hear about Christ, leave.

Mat 10:14: "And whosoever shall not receive you , nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."


The bible spoke of "false humility"

NPComplete:


Lol. Let me indulge since today is a weekend and I don't have much to do.

Yes every robot needs eyes if they are the kind of robots in the OP premise. Robots that can discover humans and even plot about overthrowing them. It seems u just agreed with the OP without reading it.
Eyes don't have to be human eyes. Or even anything that senses light. It just has to be anything that allows the robots to tell themselves apart from those humans they are plotting to overthrow.

If the allegory would have to be close to reality, the robots may have light sensors but not eyes. A robot having Light sensors doesn't automatically confer ability to visualize. Isn't this true?

NPComplete:


You know u have lost the plot when u start using dumb arguments like this.
"Seeing" in this sense is the ability to perceive something. So it doesn't have to do with eyes. Any perceptive sensory instrument will do. We know bats can "see" with sounds and are able to tell both predator and prey.
So a robot in this sense should be able to see its maker the way it is able to see its surroundings. It should be able to tell causes and effects apart. Robots can even be programmed to obey only certain voice commands from certain people.

It's really hard watching dumb people argue nonsense like u are now. The problem is that u don't even know when to stop. Lol

It was a yes or no question please!

LordReed:


Allegories are meant to illustrate certain things, this one fails to illustrate anything.

Your opinion!

frank317:

Yes, one of "my" guys says robots can see humans, that's going by the allegory "ur" guy made.

If ur guys allegory that robots are capable of determining who their creator is, why wouldn't they be able to see? And if humans are around them like we are, why won't they see us.

Are u arguing for argument sake?



It does my brother... If robots are conscious enough to determine if humans are or are not their creator... That means they would be able to see us because we are already here interacting with them.

Does every robot have eyes?
Do robots need eyes to be robots?

CAPSLOCKED:


WELL, THERE ARE HUMANS IN THE WORLD, UNLESS WE MAKE BLIND AND INSENSITIVE ROBOTS, THERE'S NO WAY THE ROBOTS WON'T SEE US, OR FEEL US, OR INTERACT WITH US AND GET COMMANDS DIRECTLY FROM US.
IN THE CASE OF RELIGION THE ONLY COMMAND PEOPLE GET FROM GODS ARE THE THINGS THEY (PEOPLE) MAKE UP IN THEIR HEADS THEMSELVES.

THIS IS A TERRIBLE EXCUSE AND A SHIITY DEFENCE FOR YOUR STONE AGE GOD.. WHO IS SAID TO BE IN EXISTENCE BUT CANNOT DEFEND HIMSELF.

Whatever!
No allegory is a perfect 1:1 match with reality.

Does every robot have eyes?
Do robots need eyes to be robots?


I'll invite you when I have your time!

HenryDion:


You are still dumb

10,000 miles after you

Maximus69:
@shadeyinka 1~2~3~4~5
Just in case you're still the same person behind FIVE different profiles.
This is what i call deceit!
Imagine your born again brother saying a person who agreed to a friendly tactful discuss RUN AWAY on faceless social media, and compare what he said himself with his own attitude!

Why not call him. You have his handle don't you?
He asked you the Questions!
Instead of answering, you gave your rules.

He objected to your rules, now you come to accuse him.

Call him and settle the ground rules if any....and there even need not be any rules except it borders on unchristian character.

The issue is that you don't want your views to be scrutinized. That's what I feel bothers you

Maximus69:
You couldn't have typed what you don't believe, so nobody have the right to stop you from expressing yourself. But when you're claiming you belong to someone whereas your attitude shows otherwise honesthearted observers will know you've been deceived!
That is why i kept responding respectfully throughout the presentations, of course i can sense that you're not ready to reason with whatever i posted but i'm satisfied if other followers can notice the fruitage of God's holy spirit and that of the devil, they can see who is exhibiting the former and who is exhibiting the later!

Reason!?
You are the one not reasoning with the scriptures.
BTW, I haven't insulted you in any way but that is not to say I am pleased with your deliberate misinterpretation of the gospel of truth.

Reasoning can only be accomplished if you are ready to be scrutinized about what you claim is true. If all you want is a presentation, that's too bad for its only scrutiny that forces out untruth from a presentation!

For me, I am never ever afraid of people Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Freethinkers etc from scrutinizing what I know from the scriptures. It actually helps me understand "faith" a little better. I am not also afraid to be wrong. If I'm wrong, it's for me an opportunity to go back to th e foundation and re-understand properly what I claimed I believe or adopt a better understanding.

That's why from the beginning I told you that my faith isn't determined by my church denomination.

panafrican:

This is one of the aspects History does not emphasize enough: How did Hitler manage to take Germany from the stage of a broke and broken country (social unrest, skyrocketing unemployment rate and financial chaos etc .) and make it a financially stable military superpower.

Hitler was a Leader indeed BUT a little over confident and over ambitious. Had he delayed his onslaught till 1948 and get his Jet planes and V2 rocket right, he would have been unstoppable.

HenryDion:


The analogy was about robots gaining consciousness and denying humans as their creator. Seems you're too daft to grasp English or better yet, understand expression. Please, swerve!

The last thing I would do is argue with one who has a little to no intelligence at all.

The only intelligence in your brain is to be rude and caustic.
Good day!

frank317:


Are u saying the op is senseless?

The OP made an allegory, one of your guys say "robots can see humans" therefore the ops analogy is dumb.

He's to use his imagination, after all the op mentioned "interacting with real world (human World) and it doesn't assume robots can see or not see humans.

HenryDion:


If a robot develop consciousness of any sort, they will be able to identify their creator, man. How?

They can learn the language upon which they are built on, how they were built and who built them cause evidence would abound.

In other words, they can see and interact with man.

Your God is yet to come down and prove himself.

Like I said, your analogy is dumb.. Very dumb..!

Have you seen any robot acquire consciousness?

Until that time keep quiet.

The kind of Questions a car will ask about humans is:
Are humans using fossil fuels or battery powered
Do humans use piston engines or jet technology.
How many horsepower is the human engine using.

If they tell the intelligent car that the answer is no for all, he will assume that the Question is really dumb!

HenryDion:
This is the dumbest analogy I have ever come across on NL. Sometimes I think the problem of these theists is not knowing what "atheism" really means.

If they can define atheism and understand it, it would save us from engaging in a dumb argument.

Robots...really?

I bail!

Open your eyes to read!

It was an analogy about God and Humans!

What did you see?
God and Atheists!

You see your life?

MJBOLT:

dumb analogy,at least robots can see humans to prove their existence,can humans see god to prove his existence

Robots can see humans!!!!
Does it mean anything to you?

Maximus69:
Oh that is great!
I'm sure sincere and honesthearted followers will notice the fruitage of God's holy spirit[Galatians 5:22-23] as both of us go about our respective presentations coupled with the fine conducts befitting TRUE believers! 1Peter 2:12,3:16

I can quote your post if you insinuate that I lie!
Other than that, I stand on my post.

Maximus69:
I know i needed help,that is why i kept searching for God's organization and examining all the features of pure worship.
Today i'm more than convinced that i have found the TRUTH, the way and manner the worshipers are orderly, united and doing everything in common.
So i'm OK Sir, you can go and help others at least i'm having God's word considered as a vital part of my daily routine.
I think you'll be of great assistance to those who have no time for God's word!
God bless you Sir!

That's why you remain brainwashed by that same antichrist organisation!

Maximus69:
Haaaa! FLOG!
Don't try such with adults o.
You may end up behind bars o!
Jesus is a Jew and according to the law, whatever is inappropriate should not be found in the Temple.
The merchandise and money changers aren't supposed to bring their businesses into the Temple but because the Chief priest and High priest are making gains from the businessmen, nobody dares say anything against such misappropriate acts.
Jesus is God's chosen or anointed so he as the High Priest in the order of Melchizedek has the right to drive away the money chargers from inside the Temple!
Today, that arrangement is no more in use as pure worship is done in spirit and in truth,so everyone is FREE to practice whatever religious act he likes provided he is not disturbing community peace!
Abeg don't go beyond your bounds o, they will deal ruthlessly with you and God will just tanda dey watch you as it happened to John the baptist!

What are we saying and what is he saying?
Totally off point!

Maximus69:
If you've concluded this way, then why pestering me with further questions?
If you're so sure that i am working for the devil, why not leave me with my demonic teachings in peace just as Jesus left the religious leaders of his day and went searching for those who will heed his call? I think Jesus was searching for SHEEPLIKE individuals[those who won't argue with him]Matthew 15:24
According to the gospel accounts, Jesus never go after or pestering Pharisees with questions Sir. On the other hand, it is the Pharisees, Saddusees and Scribes that are trailing Jesus and his followers with all sort of queries simply because he hold a different opinion from theirs. Matthew 16:1,22:34-35 Mark 9:14
Whereas these religionists aren't even agreeing within themselves yet they are trailing Jesus and his followers with fierce scrutiny, simply because the Christians are holding a different religious belief! Act 23:1-8
Well it would have made more sense if it is the Jehovah's Witnesses that is trailing you with questions while you are just going about making simple presentation of your beliefs. But the irony of the matters is, it is you and others having divers opinions that's always grouping as one against these peaceful preachers!

My questions were meant to expose your lies and mis-presentation of the gospel of Christ so that people can learn. It's just a matter of looking at our respective responses and judging to see that that conform to the full gospel truth of Christ and that which is tainted with POISON!

When a wolf enters the fold of the sheep: the wolf is never treated with kids gloves.
[b]Mat 21:12: "[/b] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,"
The kingdom of God
Mat 11:12-13: "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."

The biggest religionist is you who deny that
1. God is omniscient
2. The Holy Spirit our seal works the work of Christ through His children

Maximus69:
Hmmm,
I don't mean any harm Sir,just trying to help since there are many so called born again on NL and they're still coping. I think it's some rules broken that is making the moderators bar you from the forum.
As for whether i am orderly, well wisdom is justified by her children! Luke 7:35

For your education, Spambots are softwares programmed to flag spams. Spams are unsolicited messaging systems to send an unsolicited message usually adverts to several people. If the programming algorithm bis faulty, then there are false detection.

In other words, it's not the moderators but the Spambots. Your last postbwasbraisi a flag issue. And you can see the same information posted without your address with no problems.

I remembered that my Master flogged some innocent gentle and orderly traders out of the temple of the Lord.

Excellent illustration!
The would humans tolerate these rogue robots or wipe them out.

How about of some of them are actually compliant. Does it mean that instead of destroying all of them, the compliant once would be selected for special functions?

One one side,
Naira Marley say he's not a Yahoo boy
On the other side,
He spends Yahoo money

Maybe he is saying that he's not a full time Yahoo Yahoo!

alBHAGDADI:


I like how you've been exposing him by ysu the word of God. Everyone can clearly see how much he is in error.

All he's being doing all day is make claims that are not found in the Bible.

Anyone who reads will see how he quoted bible text links totally out of context with a view to decieve people who will not slow down to read the text.

Like their father: always quoting scriptures wrongly and out of context. Eve fell because of this same satanic tactics

Maximus69:
Thanks for everything Sir.
I don't know you've been this hurt with the simple presentations of what each person believes!
Well i just hope there will still be freedom of speech, expression and worship on earth if a politician with your type of mindset gains power!

The TRUTH is never afraid of scrutiny!

If I called you out with an accusation that you are not Maximus but Jubril from Sudan, you would anyday anytime be willing to prove you are Maximus and not Jubril especially if the reason why you are called out is important.

In this case, the reason is extremely important for your eternity.
1. You aren't born again
2. You don't even believe there is life during " physical death"
3. You claim to serve a Jesus who doesn't know you to give you His Holy Spirit as a seal until the day of redemption
4. You depend on an organization to interpret scriptures to you!

You need help