@Y'all,

I no go let this one pass before the end of the day. Hope everyone's doing okay?

@belloti,

belloti:

Someone is trying to use blackmail now. I can't remember shahan asking for anyones' opinion before she made her decision. Anyway, what will hit you will never miss you. So carry go pataki.

That's true - as rascally as shahan is, she doesn't ask anyone's opinion before making her decision. But that doesn't mean it has been easy at all; sometimes, the pay back isn't worth all the yanga!


@mrpataki,

mrpataki:

@ belloti,
Be your brothers keeper!

DANGER!

KEEP OFF
All offenders are liable to 72 strokes of the koboko, plus incanceration in a lonely thread here on nairaland!

Haa!! How can you ask my dear belloti to be his brother's keeper and still fence him off with a DANGER sign? For that, I'm going back to the same spot on the mountain to receive prophetic vision for you. And don't you dare run away; because, as belloti has rightly said: wetin go hit you no go pass you! So, get ready for your own 72 strokes of goodluck from the city of Melbourne.

Meanwhile, I don tell mlks_baby say I go charge high comminssion for being the errand-girl between both of you. For privacy sake, the message cannot be delivered publicly - so check your email by p.m. tomorrow.

@belloti,

I hear you. Next time, mr nuru and his caste should be willing to provide valid references for what they propose.

@donnie,

So much for your testing the spirit of the posts you read. I wonder how you tested your own spirit to have defended the mystery of N49m with this quip:

donnie:

Return what money?
. . .
In any case, such amount of money wouldn't mean much to Pastor Chris.

This arrogance to defend a questionable source of "offering" hasn't helped your so-called testing the spirit behind your response, has it?

@blabs787,

babs787:

I just couldnt help laughing at your last post. You know what , I do enjoy your post a lot.  When you see that a certain question looks very tough, you quickly resorted to "you have answered him but he keep saying that they have been IGNORING his  questions" or "I have been told never to reply your post again"

One more confirmation that you're a cheap noise maker. What in all your R-IQ has been difficult to answer? You just couldn't resist the temptation to self-congratulate your under-achievements, could you?

In case you missed it, here again: "When you cure yourself of your blabbings and seek an educated debate, I'm always available."

lefac:

babs787
I have read many of your posts and I feel u lack understanding.

One more confirmation among many.

@mrpataki,

Lol, he's foaming in the mouth already - and worse than that, he's only spewing out his ignorance all the more. Anything to call him "daddy" - that's what he wants (and a queer way to seek attention at that).

Jen33:

I'LL SHOW YOU LITERARY EXCRETA!

I guess a nerve was touched there!

@blabs787,

babs787:

Shahan, when I threw the question at you, I expected you to give me the reason why Jesus preached to them to repent as in mathew 4v17

You did not throw any questions at me; rather, you addressed them to babyosisi - and I offered those answers to quell your complaints about people "IGNORING" your questions. You have a serious problem reading posts, and then claiming that your questions were "IGNORED". That was what those links were inserted to point out - that the claim of "ignoring" your questions is simply dishonest.

And since you repeatedly lacked the manners or civility to admit that answers were offered (though you might have disagreed), I simply didn't want to waste time on you any further. If you took that as a long sought break to celebrate your so-called being "too-much", then I admitted you were being cheap.

When you cure yourself of your blabbings and seek an educated debate, I'm always available.

babs787:

Shahan, why did jesus need to point out the above?
- - - -
Shahan, If you still disagree based on the above explanation that still, he died on the cross, let me know.

I have read and noted all the fresh questions in your post above; but like I said, my answers in subsequent posts will depend on whether or not you keep up dishonest claims about being "IGNORED." Let me know which is best for you.

@lysaa,

Your allusion to Jesus and John the Baptist had nothing to do with the case of financial integrity. Making reference to that as such makes the mystified financial case in LoveWorld quite suspect of serious lax of integrity.

I'm not driving at anything beyond why the defence against such scam in LoveWorld has been tawdry.

@mrpataki,

Good observation. If Jesus Christ never existed, He probably would have been forgotten in the first few decades of a so-called myth. However, the reality proves too much for these "researchers" that they would devise some imaginary parallel when none exists.

Again, yes ma! I've registered my call!

@trini_girl,

trini_girl:

Shahan, what's your take on this topic?

The way you chase me around on the Forum. . . you should rather be in the NYPD!

Anyway, I believe that some people have taken so many things to the extreme, like you correctly noted. This is just one of them, and I'll come back with some addition to lafile's entry.

Bottomline: we should rest our faith on God Himself, and not on materials sold in the market place.

Yes ma! Pronto!

@georgecso,

georgecso:

One thing l have observed is that illiteracy is endemic in the Islamic world.

To a large extent, that is correct. However, there are many Muslims who are very educated and are professionals and leaders in their vocations. It is not surprising therefore, that most educated Muslims take a relaxed view of the teachings in the Qur'an. You hardly find them on the streets with the rest of the R-IQs (Reverse Intelligence Quotients) who brandish cutlasses threatening non-Muslims on just about any excuse.

georgecso:

The moment they realize and interprete what they are reading from the Quran the better. The fact is that most of our lslamic brothers can recite the 60 Izus of the Quran but cannot comprehend most the things.

The simple reason why "interpretation" of the Qur'an is discouraged is because "meaning" is the biggest threat to Islam. Most Muslims believe that ". .any translation of the Qur'an immediately ceases to be the literal word of Allah, and hence cannot be equated with the Qur'an in its original Arabic form", as this muslim website states.

It then becomes pertinent to ask if at all Muslims actually have the Word of God. If someone reads the Arabic form of the Qur'an and then seeks to "translate/interprete" what he has read, then he immediately loses the word of Allah, and all he has left are his own tales. This is a convenient way of saying: "Don't interprete what the Qur'an says in order to understand it! Just read it without meaning!"
. . .probably because of its musical/rhythmic sounds - according to nuru in another thread!

@lola baloo,

lola baloo:

bab787, please are you a christain or muslim? because i need to know. thanks
also which church if u'r a christain.

He is a muslim. If you're a little confused about who he is, that's probably because he blabs a lot.

trini_girl:

Please, this mischievous little boy Jen is amusing. On his other thread The Christian God Is Impossible, he claims to believe in God, but not the Bible. However he has yet to determine in which God he believes.

Precisely. Have you noticed that jokers of this sort, besides their dishonesty, will claim to believe in a "God" that they are too embarrased to talk about? It's easier for such to devise theories about some non-existent parallel to the Christian faith, while at the same time they have no grounds under their feet.

As you noted, it's all literary excreta.

@lafile,

lafile:

oh boy did you read the link? they don't prove anything short of how much changes have been made to the personality and identity of horus down the line. Wikipedia even submits that pepeople believed that horus was a resurrected osiris. And you think this will convince me that someone i know personally does not exist. (kai no icon to hiss). What is the earliest written record of these similarities (there was none in your link)? Stop pasting subjective interepretations of oral traditions.

I said it before - his so-called researchers are failing him badly. When you put him on spot, he would tell with a do the research yourself - for the simple reason that he has nothing to offer than his waned appeal for attention.

@lysaa,

Nobody's holding Pastor Chris' nose to the grind for being an MOG. The Christian call to ministry requires integrity, not espousal of financial mystifying.

BTW, could you elaborate on the request earlier:

bari_kade:

Please could you enunciate on what you mean by Jesus had some "reasons" to point accusing fingers at John the baptist?

Cheers.

@nuru,

This is one more confirmation that Muslims can't defend what they affirm. Why even bother yourself with your superstition when you knew that there were no evidence for your claim of "consent" by Muhammad's companions before they raped their "booties" victims?

@lafile,

lafile:

Bros why u dey bambooze us with hearsay? Which research u don carry out? Which evidence you get? E never occur to you say these stories about these mythical characters are actually copy-copy of Jesus? i mean how can you prove they predate Christ?

What he calls 'evidence' makes for laughter. Ask him about the "innumerable" artifacts, monuments, etc that Walker et al has shown him, and the best he comes up with is "around something like!" Translation: he simply does not know and the best he could do is recycle Walker's dishonesty.

@Jen33,

Jen33:

How do I know that what predates Christ?

And after all your recycled noise, you admit your ignorance. Applause. Ovation.

Jen33:

Horus? Even a school child knows that Horus of Egypt PREDATES CHRIST BY THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

Which makes a school child far more intelligent as you're just guessing.

Jen33:

Or perhaps you're playing dumb. Pretending you can't see the pretty solid evidence presented above by researchers (and so far largely unrefuted) for asserting the huge debt owed pagan customs and myth by Christianity.

'Researchers' who are as dumb as to be shamelessly dishonest? 'Researchers' who are as dumb as to claim there was only one mention of Jesus in the epistle of James whereas there were two solid verses? 'Researchers' who deny that the apostles were eyewitnesses and consider the NT as hearsays and the writings of "other people"? 'Researchers' who claim "innumerable" monuments and documents exist and yet can't offer you an accurate date for your Horus theory?

What you call 'researchers' shames the academic world.

Jen33:

Why lie to yourself?

You mean the recycled lies of Walker et al that you pretend you're blind to?

Jen33:

St, John’s Gospel begins,
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Egyptian Book of the Coming Forth by Day (commonly known as the Book of the Dead), the oldest written text in the world, contains a strikingly parallel passage,
I am the Eternal, I am Ra ,  I am that which created the Word ,  I am the Word.

There's no parallel there but a strikingly pretentious drool. In John's Gospel, the Word was never created; whereas, in your Book of the Dead, your Ra claims to have created the Word. What is parallel between that which is created and that which is not?

Jen33:

Call me your daddy n I'll leave ya.

We knew you were an attention seeker all along.

@trini_girl

I tire for the bobo. I only wanted to amuse myself on his tales. Anyway, I'm done for the day.

Jen33:

Horus, whom the ancient Egyptians worshipped as the Son of God, was around something like 4000 years before ''Jesus''.

Since your historians know it all and they're so smart about accuracy of dates and scrutiny of witnesses, the best they could offer you for Horus is "around something like" - and for all that, they simply do not know? Walker has found cheap disciples for his tales.

Jen33:

Innumerable statues, papyrri, temple inscriptions, monuments, ancient texts of all shapes, sizes and dates thousands of years before Christ attest to his being the progenitor of the fictional Christ character. And Horus himself was a mythological character. The Egyptians never believed Horus was a real man. He was a 'saviour god'.

Empty claims yet again. How many of these exaggerated "innumerable" statues and papyrii and monuments of "all shapes and sizes" did Walker personally show you?

Jen33:

Then the latter-day ''Christian fathers'' stole his stories, plus others' and created a character called 'Christ' complete with fictional city 'Nazareth', and other false appurtenances.

Another one of those exaggerated claims for cheap minds.

@babaearly,

babaearly:

Please i don't want us to be blinded with arguments and no one seems to be winning. There is Almighty God, Father of Jesus.(he has his own glory) and Jesus the Christ ,Mighty God (he has his own glory and the Holy Spirit of God (the entity of and from God that works on the earth). what y'all saying? read revelations chapter 2 and you'll see what The post Jesus looks like. He aint Almighty God but he's my Saviour and the King of the New heavens and new Earth.

When you try to divide between "Almighty God" and "Mighty God", how many "Gods" does that leave you?

Second, did Jesus speak of a separate glory from that of the Father in the NT? Sample this:

"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (John 17:5).

@Amby,

Amby:

That's when you explain convincingly the difference between God and Lord.

Could I ask you a few questions:

Read Mark 3:35 again - "For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. "

1. Do you do the will of the God?

2. If you do the will of God, what does Jesus say that makes you?

3. If Jesus says you are His brother/sister/mother because you do God's will, then does that make you:

(a) brother of GOD?

(b) sister of GOD:

or, (c) mother of GOD?

4. If you can't give straight answers to those questions, then are you being led?

@lysaa,

I wasn't the investigator into the mystery. If it never came into the open, who would care about a dime spent in LoveWorld? If it were some other MOG who received half of that, I guess you would applaud it.

@trini_girl,

trini_girl:

_{** sigh **}

Please people end this thread. I rather see a debate between Islam and Christianity than this rubbish. Leave this fool alone!

What better way to silence a fool than by silence!

End this thread now please.

You guys are too good for this.

Yep, like I said earlier, if he couldn't see the open dishonesty in the claims of Walker, his case is beyond help.

@nuru,

"Where is your evidence for the consent that Muhammad's companions obtained before they had coitus interruptus with their booties?"

@Amby,

This controversy is seriously flawed on one premise: there's NO scripture evidence that the Holy Spirit ever wanted Mary to be called "Mother of God". Period.

Since when has asking questions surrounding a N49million controversy become "enough liver to judge men of God"?

Anyway, nuf said already - if all MOGs should surround themselves with mystery N49m, perhaps our spiritual climate will be for the better, abi?

Jen33:

Damn. This forum is filled with far too many dunces for my liking.

This what happens when you get so blinded by religion that you've no genuine debate left in ya, save for silly snide remarks that ultimately count for nothing, and amount to an admission of defeat and cluelessness.

Hooray - just as yours "ultimately counts for nothing" and amounts to "cluelessness"!!

@blabs787,

babs787:

Are you referring to answer you provided on the issue of Muhammed (saw) when i asked you to tell if the prophet in any way related to Abu Bakr and also if Aisha related to the prophet?

Are you referring to the issue when i asked you to tell me if the prophesy of the 2nd coming materialised or not?

Are you referring to the answers supplied when I asked you questions on the Jesus dying for your sin?

Are you referring to answers supplied when I asked you if jesus was sent to the whole world or to the jews alone. etc

Are you referring to when i posted thread on the divinity of Jesus?

Here too answers have been supplied abi but probably ignored.

If you're soliciting answers from me, at least be civil and honest enough to admit that answers were offered - even though you may disagree with them. To come crying hoo-ha about your questions having being "IGNORED" is not worth the effort wasted on your dishonesty.

1. Twelve questions posed - all answered point-by-point with Biblical texts in Did Jesus For Our Sin? Which Sin?.

2. My answers to your questions on the authorship of Deuteronomy: The Second Coming of Jesus Christ and here also.

3. My answer to your allegations and accusations of lies and stealing against Jesus in The Second coming of Jesus Christ.

4. My thoughts on the deity/divinity of Jesus Christ from the Bible in these threads:

Who Was Jesus Before He Became Man?.

Is Jesus God?; and again in this same thread.

. . . and unless you deliberately chose not to read posts, I don't see why just for your overblown pride it would be necessary for me to repeat myself on that.

babs787:

madam, you are no match for BABATUNDE You preached the above doctrine but couldnt defend rather you resorted to l playing hide and seek laying empahsis on the Gospel of Barnabas.

There's just a word we use for simpletons who congratulate themselves like you - cheap!

babs787:

HERE, my questions has so far been on NT but not on GoB. I know for sure If we are have been disscusing other things, you would have posted many irrelevant bible quotes here but here you are lost, forgetting that babs has most of their versions. Even your Pope or Pastors will not be able to answer, I have dealth with those stronger in faith than you.

I haven't stopped laughing at your hilarity. A simple question for you: since the Qur'an is without error, how come Muslims never agree among themselves so that there are over 10 English translations being circulated - all not agreed as to who renders what best?

And it only makes me laugh the more when asked as to why the descripancies. A typical Muslim will drool with saliva at the corners stating that: ". . . any translation of the Qur'an immediately ceases to be the literal word of Allah, and hence cannot be equated with the Qur'an in its original Arabic form." see it here.

So, what then have you guys been reading in Englsih if the Qur'an ceases to be the word of Allah when it is translated? That is why all the pretences in the Islamic world about reading the Qur'an as 'God's word' is cosmetic. No serious minded person ever bothers with any translation of the Qur'an as it then becomes the word of someone else and not of Allah!

@mrpataki,

mrpataki:

Shahan,
Hi been a while now. How are you? Are you on YIM at the moment?
May the Lord continually bless us all as we labor in his vineyard.

How bodi? Seen yours but as I only get to play with my friend's PC out here, it's difficult chatting online for now until I step back to naija. Will email you soon. Cheers and God bless.

@GOK,

GOK:

@Shahan,

If you care to know, we know you christians very well, claiming that answers have been supplied in all threads but always go other way.

And if you care to know, this is not the first time I'm dealing with dribbling Muslims like your team, mr. 2 post.

GOK:

Am even less concerned about other threads but this particular one in which its very glaring that you havent answer the questions.

I'm hardly surprised that you would be less concerned about other threads because the answer is there whenever you care to swallow your pride and go take a peep.

GOK:

He has been saying that he has been bringing out questions from your bible.

Which have been dealt with to a great extent - and he comes back denying the answers under the rascally excuse that they were "IGNORED". I hope you didn't go to the same night school??

GOK:

So please , answer the questions and if you do, we will know that you have answered him this time and forget the barnabas stuff.

My style has always been to offer answers - go through my threads and you will see. Even just above, I have offered answers to yours in hope that you won't tow the same cheap lies of blabbling out 787 lies as he does.

As for the GoB/barnabas stuff, what do you want me to answer to when the premise is already flawed? Please understand this, at the risk of repeating myself - one cannot weave a flawed document back into the Bible and pretend that they have germane questions. This tired-out antics is characteristic of chaps whose IQ is on the reverse slope, and it is not worth the humour of Ikorodu dust.

GOK:

hope you grab, leave GoB alone and carry go.

I grab, my dear - and if you take a look just above, you'll see my answers to yours.

Tara!

@mrpataki,

mrpataki:

I wont be suprised if GOK and combatant are the same person. Mr 2posts each.

You're not far fromthe truth - that has become the registered trade-mark of their antics.

@GOK,

Since this is your first post, I would simply assume that you haven't read issues in other threads before posting the above.

GOK:

We have been facing continuous harassment from these christians claiming that jesus only is the saviour. They even went  to the extent of telling us that the only way we can have salvation is through the blood atonement of jesus christ, that one should believe that he was crucified and shed his blood on the cross of calvary but here they are, they can't defend their sayings. This is a very good thread.

How many questions have been asked already about Muhammad's claims to be a prophet, and the polytheism that exists in the Qur'an - and no Muslim has been able to offer satisfactory answers? Rather, your apologists will return with ignorance or falsehood engineered from heaven knows where.

GOK:

They have been parabulating laying emphasis on GoB pretending as if they didnt see the questions thrown an them.

The pretences are actually coming from your camp. I just would like to learn something from you: why start off with the GoB and weave it back to the NT knowing quite well that it has been discredited by both Muslims and Christians?

As for the answers to some of the other questions you can't read, please go through again patiently and see indeed that they were not "ignored".

GOK:

If a person is saying something is red, he should be able to defend it and answer all the questions being asked on the same subject, but here they are,

Preach that to your camp who have continued to evade questions offered.

GOK:

I never blame them because they have been relying on the sayings of Paul not knowing that this Paul claimed that the death and risen up of jesus was according to his own scriptures

We really feel sorry for, and do not blame you - since it is only Paul you can see. Here, help yourself with these ones you missed:

Luke 24:34 - "Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon."

Mark 16:12 - "After that He appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country."

John 20:19 - "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."

Luk 24:36-43 >>  "And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And He said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.And when He had thus spoken, He shewed them His hands and His feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, He said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And He took it, and did eat before them"

Act 10:39-41 ~~ "And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

In none of the above texts was Paul mentioned among the eyewitnesses of Jesus' resurrection.

GOK:

1st Corinthians 15v3-4: for I delivered to you first of all that which I ALSO RECEIVED, that Christ died for our sins according to the SCRIPTURES. And that he was buried and that he rose again the third day according to the SCRIPTURES.

One wonder what scriptures this self-appointed thirteenth disciples is referring to.

The Scriptures you're wondering about are the same ones that Muhammad never included in the Qur'an for you chaps to see the truth and be saved. Jesus Himself taught His disciples about His death and resurrection from the Old Testament scriptures -

[b]Luke 24:44-48 >> "And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened He their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things."

"The Scriptures" which Paul mentioned in I Corinthians 15:3-4 is commonly understood to be the Old Testament - in just the same way that Jesus taught His disciples in Luke 24:44-48. Some of the specific mention of Jesus' death and resurrection can be found in ISAIAH 53 and ZACHARIAH 12:10, besides the Psalms of David.

ISAIAH 53 (please read the whole chapter)
"Therefore will I divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong; because He hath poured out His soul unto death: and He was numbered with the transgressors; and He bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors" (vs.12)

ZACHARIAH 12:10
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

PSALM 68:18 (The Resurrestion of Christ)
"Thou hast ascended on high, Thou hast led captivity captive: Thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them."

Have you ever wondered why Muhammad never mentioned ISAIAH and ZACHARIAH - the same prophets that Jesus made reference to? The answer is simple: Muhammad knew that if he made the slightest reference to them, Muslims would be saved by trusting in Jesus Christ as the Son of God (Psalm 2:12)!

GOK:

Thank God he has provided the answer. [/b]

2nd timothy 2v8: remember that jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my GOSPEL.

When Paul speaks of "my GOSPEL", it is clear that he did not found Christianity - that was rather his perculiar expression of his apostleship. In other verses, the same Paul called it the "the gospel of God" (Rom. 1:1 & 15:16); "the gospel of His [God's] Son" (Rom. 1:9); "the gospel of Christ" (Rom. 1:16); or "our gospel" (I Thes. 1:5); "the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" (II Thes. 1:; and "the glorious gospel of the blessed God" (I Tim. 1:11).

If Paul was preaching his own made-up Gospel, the other apostles would have witstood him to the face. Rather, this is what Peter had to say about him: "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you" (II Pet. 3:15).

GOK:

cunny people

A good self-description of your Muslim apologists.