₦airaland Forum

I couldn't stop laughing the other day when I read a thread about people asking PDP to zone their presidential slot to the South. It's just like Tinubu hoping to get the APC presidential slot next year, lol!

Then, today, I read of Senator David Mark asking the FG (ie. Fulani Government) to intervene in the security situation in Benue. So, funny!

For Those Who Are Still Slow To Understand, This Is The Plan (Summarized):

Have you heard that Dangote's refinery now under construction is going to be
one of the biggest refineries in the world according to Forbes? Buhari made that possible as a part of the agenda to COMPLETELY dominate Nigerians economically. Once that happens, there will never be anybody in Nigeria with enough economic strength to challenge them. The money invested in that refinery is what should have been invested into a Government-owned refinery if there was no ulterior motive.

Already, they are occupying Aso Rock which gives them endless power to do whatever they like and no one can do anything about it - including killing, kidnapping, raping, and blackmailing Nigerians. And, how stupid we are to think that such a people would just let go on Aso Rock as weak GEJ did!

Look, this is the bitter truth Nigerians must know: WHETHER AS PDP, OR APC, OR PANADOL, OR WHATEVER, FULANI WILL RULE NIGERIA UNTIL THEY TURN THE WHOLE COUNTRY INTO A CALIPHATE unless something extraordinary forces them to give up power. The grand plan is to repeat the template that created the Sokoto Caliphate all over Nigeria but people can't see.

Or, didn't Buhari say it openly that they wouldn't rest until Sharia was ruling the whole country? He said that and yet Nigerians went ahead and made him the President against every warning to the contrary and now they are complaining.

Let's just deal with it: This country is becoming a caliphate soon - not a Muslim caliphate per se but FULANI Caliphate - just like Sokoto where no Muslim from any other tribe can ever be a Sultan.

Fulani is not giving up power again. They feel that Obasanjo and Jonathan were a mistake that they can never allow to repeat because it almost cost them the agenda. Yet, old Southerners like Tinubu, David Mark, Wike, Amaechi, and the Ohanaeze Ndigbo cannot see it! Tuale for Southern Nigerian stupidity. Absolutely!

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for your response!

Where most Bible readers often miss out is not knowing the exact utterances that's directly referring to them.
First of all the Bible book of Mark Chapter 16 actually ended in verse 8 so the additional verses were not found in earlier manuscripts!
Secondly Jesus wasn't talking about miraculous healings when he said those that believe in him will do GREATER WORKS unless you just want to deceive yourself. Timothy was a bonafide member of the first century Christian congregation if what you're quoting is real why didn't the first century Christians heal Timothy miraculously instead of asking him to start drinking wine to manage his stomach ulcer? 1Timothy 5:23
The signs and wonders were only to show the Jews that God's promise regarding the new covenant has been fulfilled so whoever wants to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob should henceforth join the Christians.
That's why Paul told the Christians in Corinth that all those gifts WILL SEIZE {1Corinthians 13:8} and what will remain as identifying mark of pure worship is LOVE! 1Corinthians 13:13 compare to John 13:34-35

But if you want to believe otherwise it's OK, i wish you good luck in your search for Christians who are performing GREATER MIRACULOUS WORKS than Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

Again, thank you for your patience and all. First, I want to let you know that I am enjoying my discussions with you especially because of your scriptural depth.

In Acts 17:11, the Berean Jews were commended as being "noble-minded" (and some translations say "open-minded" because they searched the scriptures with the aim to ascertain the truth and nothing but the truth - which is also my only aim for bringing this discussion here.

Based on this, I think it would be be more noble of us to stop using such jarring lines as "unless you want to deceive yourself" or "but if you want to believe otherwise...". I don't think we should be here just to win an argument. If that was our reason for this, I wouldn't be a part of it because I have a lot of things demanding my attention (likewise you, I believe) - after all, there's no trophy to win.

Rather, my own reasoning is that NO ONE KNOWS IT ALL. Hence, the need for discussions such as the ones the Bereans did and the one we are doing now. With this in mind, let me respond to your latest points:

Let me start with 1 Cor. 13:8 - about the seizure of prophesy, knowledge, and tongues. Yeah, healing and exorcism weren't mentioned there but they are implied. However, KNOWLEDGE is mentioned as one of the gifts that will pass away. Yet, knowledge is still here with us (at least, without trying to flatter you, YOU are displaying a lot of knowledge). This proves to me that the prophesy of Paul that those gifts WILL SEIZE is referring to the age to come. Otherwise, YOU wouldn't have this great knowledge that you have right now.

Then, coming to the supremacy of love in the worship of God (which you've been hammering on), I have this to say: Don't you think that healing the sick should be an important part of that love? For example, there are many instances in Jesus' life (eg. Matthew 14:14) that reveals that he healed because he was moved by compassion for the sick. With so many people hurting due to a lot of ailing conditions, don't you think that healing the sick, for example, is an important part of that love you're talking about?

As for Mark 16:9-20 which you said wasn't in the original manuscript: Yeah, I think I've heard that from a Catholic theologian too. From my own deductions, I think it's more of an attempt to avoid the responsibility of verses 17 to 18 that made theologians say that. Because, how can you also explain away the appearance of Jesus to Mary Magdalene and other disciples which is also within those verses? And if miracles were no longer relevant around the time, what could make a scribe add those long passages and it was accepted in the churches of those days? I can't imagine a scribe of that era being so corrupt as to tell those long lines of lies against his revered Lord Jesus. For what? So, I think that the scribe had another credible source for those verses (even if they weren't in the original manuscript of Mark's Gospel).

Finally, concerning Timothy's case: If you look above, you will see my scripture-based answer to someone who asked me for the purpose of miracles in the life of the church. I see that it's mainly to prove to unbelievers that you are truly of God and to bait them to listen to the message of God that you bear. This is a possible reason why Timothy didn't need a miracle because his faith was already confirmed. The same goes for Paul's "thorn in my flesh" in 2 Cor. 12:7ff which he asked God to remove but the Lord told him that "my grace is sufficient for you". From that scripture, I understand why God may give such a burden to a chosen vessel: It's to protect him/her from getting proud of the extraordinary abilities he/she has in Christ. See the underlined in the screenshot below:

paxonel:
ok,
Why did the believers have to perform signs and wonders, was it for show that they have power?

Read through the ministry of Jesus. His method of evangelism was to use signs and wonders as a bait to draw people, to have their attention and to preach the message of the Kingdom of God to them (see Matthew 4:23, 24). Indirectly, people had to listen because anyone who said he was sent from God and has superhuman abilities, seems more credible than someone just speaking without any power to show (see 1 Cor. 4:20). So, the miracles were also God's own testimony that he commissioned a vessel.

We too should follow the example of Jesus Christ in everything including in our method of evangelism. So, the reason for miracles?

1. As a bait to get people to listen. No wonder he said, "I will make you fishers of men" (Matthew 4:19).
2. As a proof that God is truly with you (see Acts 10:38; Mark 16:20)

Jesus said this as recorded in Matthew 16:4...

paxonel:
A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away

And he also said this in Mark 16:15-18...

"Go into the WHOLE WORLD and preach the gospel to EVERY CREATURE. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved. But he that does not believe shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover".

Was Jesus contradicting himself? No. So, see my understanding of and how to reconcile the two passages:

A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign INSTEAD OF PERFORMING THE SIGNS THEMSELVES (because they can't since they are not in Christ)...

But, believers in Christ perform signs and wonders themselves INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR THEM (because they have the power).

I advise you reflect prayerfully on this before you respond. Thank you.

MaxInDHouse:
With gods of all kinds spiritists performing magic and taxing you guys for ten percent of your salaries can deceive you.
But it's only with the true God that LOVE, JOY and PEACE can reign in an Organization of people from all races! Isaiah 2:2-4
That's what you can't find anywhere else except in the midst of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! John 13:34-35
And it's the greater WORKS Jesus never achieved in his time {John 14:12} not miracles because nobody can perform miracles even 1% of the miracles God's only begotten son performed {John 21:25} let that sink into that your empty skull!

No one doubts that Jesus commanded us to love, saying that love was going to be our identity as in John 13:35. But he also said that performing extraordinary acts would be our identity too as in Mark 16:15-18 which says, "Go into the WHOLE WORLD and preach the gospel to EVERY CREATURE. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved. But he that does not believe shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover".

Look at that scripture: Jesus commanded his immediate listeners to go out to the WHOLE WORLD and preach to EVERY CREATURE. Next, he says that those who believe (among EVERY CREATURE in the WHOLE WORLD) will have the characteristics in the bolded lines. The WHOLE WORLD included Nigeria and EVERY CREATURE included YOU and ME. Or, don't you think so?

That's a confirmation that John 14:12 is talking about miracles and not just love as you say. He mentioned our identities as love for one another and also as the ability to perform super-human acts (since we became superhuman through our oneness with him in love). Now, for me, accepting one identity while denying the other amounts to an attempt to escape half of your responsibility as a believer in Jesus Christ.

Remember that the statement on John 14:12 was part of the discussion that the Lord Jesus concluded with a prayer in John Chapter 17 where he said, "I'm not only praying for THESE ONES but also for those who will come to believe in me through their words" (verse 20).

I hope you will read this with a mind to know the will of God, and not just for the sake of winning an argument. It's my response to you after long hours of prayerful reflections on the matter. Moreover, I hope you know that the phrase "that your empty skull" that you used above is a contradiction of the Christian love you've been talking about. Thank you.

Cc: Kobojunkie, Paxonel, Mightysparrow, janosky.

Juliusmalema:
Who killed persenggers on the road and security agencies, even the video is here on nairaland?

Is it herdmen that did such?

I feel that your brain is made of wood What sort of stupid question have you been asking like this? People killed passengers and security agents, you said. No place given. No time given. No photo, no video, no link provided. Passengers and security agents have been killed again and again in this hellish country. So, even a year-old kid should have known to pinpoint the particular case he is talking about but not you.

Not you because the putrefaction in you has been so malodorous you can't think a dime. You are the most despicable creature on the Planet. You cannot realize this simply because the decay in you can't let you think. Never knew that such creatures as you do exist anywhere in the Universe!

Welcum:
The masses will always cook up a story to blackmail the rich. What's your proof that Dangote does business with Nigeria's money?

Which part of Nigeria are you from?

BrandBrainBox:
3. Dangote Group: With the founder of Dangote Group getting named as the richest African for the 10th time in a row this February, it's not difficult to fathom why the conglomerate is the second on this list. It would have been first if not for a reason I will disclose down below. 


Although Dangote Group took off as an FMCG firm, it's biggest concern currently is in cement production, throwing up about 46 million metric tons of cement annually. This huge output is sold across 10 African countries. 


With Dangote Group's oil refinery "expected to be one of the world's largest oil refineries once complete" according to Forbes' authoritative viewpoint, the company and its founder are expected to top world (not just African) charts back to back in a few years from now. They may even top my own list when that happens (for instance, if they solve the problem of gas scarcity for a considerable length of time)

Dangote should not be here sha. Dangote is only a conduit for milking the Nigerian economy. Where did he get the business sense to become the richest person in Africa?

MaxInDHouse:
Billions living today along with countless many who have died were also confused as to what Jesus meant in that statement!

First of all know that there is no one either living or dead that has ever performed Miracles closer in awesomeness to the great signs Jesus did within those three and a half years. So don't think he was talking about miraculous works otherwise Timothy a bonafide member of God's family in the house of faith in the first century would not be told to start drinking wine to manage his stomach ulcer {1Timothy 5:23} Jesus would have cured Timothy with just one word!

So what was the greater works Jesus said those who believe will do that he himself never achieved?

Well Jesus' ministry wasn't about miracles there is a purpose for which Jesus preached and taught people in the first century. The purpose was to gather obedient mankind and train them on how they can become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} so Jesus' ministry was commissioned for this purpose that's why he told his disciples that when they do what he asked them to do and successfully accomplish it the sign they will see before God's kingdom comes is having families throughout the earth {Mark 10:28-30} this means while Satan is achieving his own goal promoting hatred throughout the earth with Politics and Racism {Revelations 6:3-4} Jesus' true followers will be busy uniting faithful people globally {John 17:20-23} this is the good work Jesus slaved for three and a half years but couldn't even achieve among his twelve Jewish closest confidants {Luke 22:24} Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit will continue from where he stopped for this purpose to be fulfilled {John 14:26} though he wish them PEACE {John 14:27} but it won't manifest until God's Holy Spirit start teaching them how to go about it! Galatians 5:22-23

So are Christians achieving this today?

Well true followers of Christ are proving themselves to be his Witnesses globally today {Act 1:8} as true subjects of the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} they've successfully impressed in the minds of millions the LOVE for God and their neighbours, they have vowed never to raise harmful weapons against their fellowman again, they have eradicated Nepotism, Racism and Politics from their midst {Isaiah 2:2-4} and they're now know Globally as a family of worshipers that LOVE reigns among them {John 13:34-35} no matter where you may come from people know JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES will LOVE you as their family once you become one of them! Matthew 12:46-49

This is the work Jesus started but JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have done greater than what this wonderful counselor did when he walked the earth! John 14:12

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

OK, thank you for this. I will always bow to the voice of scripture and reason. So, let me digest your long response in prayer before I respond back.

jesusjnr2020:
Please if you don't mind, @Sharingiscaring kindly take a timeout from this thread and go and spend some time with God. Thanks.

Yes, that's what I'm doing already. Sharing God's word amounts to spending time out with God. But I will go solo once again after this session. Thanks.

butterfly777:
Many Christians are doing greater works than Jesus did. Look well and you will see.

A few examples:
1. Jesus did not minister to more than a hundred thousands of people at a time. Some ministers have done that.

2. Jesus did not plant thousands of churches. Some ministers have done that.

3. Jesus did not heal people via the internet. Some ministers have done that.

This also applies to you:

Sharingiscaring:
What do you mean by "leading" souls to Christ? I understand that just ANYBODY can claim to lead souls to Christ. But, what's the GENUINE meaning of leading souls to Christ?

To answer that question, let's look at how Jesus himself led souls to himself. Matthew 4:23ff reports how he went about performing all sorts of wonders and therefore getting a multitude to FOLLOW him. In John 20:21, he said, "as the Father has sent me, so I send you". So, it means those he sent must prove their genuineness and draw people by that means as he did.

So, how are those people leading people to Christ. Every honest reading of John 14:11 - 14 shows that Jesus was referring to miraculous proofs. That's because, to be fair with people, you need to prove that you are really sent by God if you are since there are so many impostors everywhere. And to prove that it's really God who sent you, you must get that God to do what no human can do.

Now, we have all sorts of charlatans in every street corner claiming to be leading souls to Christ when they are only leading them to their bank accounts to pay and the women to their beds. It's to avoid such things obviously that Jesus would say that signs and wonders shall follow true believers in him as they followed him.

So, isn't it clear here that Jesus was talking about GREATER mighty works than just greater number of people? After all, there are religions that don't believe in Christ and they are winning greater numbers of people.

'Greater works' clearly do not refer to greater QUANTITY as it refers to greater QUALITY. Today, we have so many 'Christians' who do not care about Christ because they were drawn by fake promises that they would become overnight millionaires just by attending certain churches. When they come, an 'altar call' is made and they are asked to "say after me. Lord Jesus I believe I'm a sinner, etc" and you count them as people you've brought to Christ?

No way. Our faith is far more of a serious matter than that.

Then, talking of healing people via the internet, the question is who did that? Again, what kind of healing? Was it ordinary headache or did they speak to an amputated limb across the internet and it got restored?

Meanwhile, Jesus raised the dead from a distance. So, that wouldn't be GREATER work than Jesus did. Yet, I'd be glad if you could share some of the verifiable testimonials of healings across the internet. Thanks.

jesusjnr2020:
What you seek, you shall soon get...

Amen. And I have it already according to his word in Mark 11:23, 24. However, I mean to say that WE ALL should be seeking this including you. Meanwhile, thanks a lot for the prayer. I feel the warmth of the Holy Spirit in you from here.

... but hope you don't waste it because greater works comes with greater condemnation if you don't repent.

God bless.

If I didn't repent in any way, this warning is the reason why I am repenting FULLY from now. So, glorify the Lord with me for using you so mightily. And please pray even more that I may be truly and permanently confirmed in the Spirit of the Lord. Above all, please, pray that there be a new era of the Church of Jesus Christ of Nazareth characterized by absolute devotion to His will and the glory of God the Father through Him that the world may know beyond any reasonable doubt that He still lives in us as he said. Amen. Maranatha!

thesicilian:
Without meaning to derail from the topic at hand or sound blasphemous, it is worthy of note that you realize that just as there's no proof that everyone being led to Christ today will genuinely give their lives to, or remain in Christ, so also is there no biblical proof that those who followed Jesus personally, did so out of genuine love or remained believers. Afterall, it is on record that one of his inner circle betrayed him and a great number of those who followed him were also among those who chose the release of a hardened criminal over the release of Jesus.

In other words, my initial point was strictly about the number of lives being touched for Jesus today. There are many instances of millions of people giving their lives to Christ in one single crusade, much more than in the physical days of Jesus.

See eh, I like your reasoning but see where you are missing it: The reason God performs miracles is to make us have no genuine ground to doubt his truly chosen vessel. That's because he is a thoroughly fair God. But people can still harden their hearts in which case, no one can rightly accuse God if they get lost. That's why if you read Psalm 95:8 and 9, you see God telling the Israelites not to harden their hearts as their fathers did at Meribah when they refused to believe "THOUGH THEY SAW MY MIGHTY WORKS". See Hebrew 3:9 also.

So, miracles substantiate God as a just God who gives us EVERY opportunity to listen to his chosen vessels and repent. But, since we all have will power, we can still choose to refuse him in spite of all the proofs. If you still have any objection, let me know.

paxonel:
when Jesus said his disciples will do greater works he never meant today Christians will do greater works.
Ofcourse, his disciples of that time did the works of miracles Jesus meant they will do if they follow him.
He never mentioned today Christians.

I say no to this, and I back my 'no' with a scripture. That John Chapter 14 I'm talking about is a discussion Jesus was having with his disciples shortly before he was crucified. It continued until Chapter 17 where he concluded it with a long prayer. In that prayer he said, "I pray not only for THESE ones but also for those who shall believe in me THROUGH THEIR words" (John 17:20). This means that, all the while, he had been referring not only to "these ones but also to those who shall believe in me through their words". In Mark 16:17, 18, he said, "go out to the WHOLE WORLD and proclaim the good news to EVERY CREATURE. He that BELIEVES and is BAPTIZED shall be saved but he that doesn't believe shall be condemned. These signs shall follow those who BELIEVE: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues... They shall lay their hands on the sick who shall recover".

Remember that he was talking about ANYONE who shall BELIEVE in him anywhere in the WHOLE WORLD through the preaching of those he was addressing directly.

obonujoker:
Invite you to the Lord's chosen on 3rd and 4th April....

Come and see what God does

Jesus never invited people anywhere. Instead, he walked on the streets and handled publicly known cases that no one could deny.

Now, talking about 'Lord's Chosen' as they are called, here is my personal experience with them: I was once reading a large brochure where 'the Lord's Chosen' church chronicled 'miracles' that happened in the church. One of them was about someone from Benin Republic who was deaf and dumb from birth.

The Benin Republic ex-deaf and dumb testified how he HEARD about the wonders the Lord was doing in a Nigerian church and decided to visit. When he got to Amuwo Odofin prayer camp, as the prayer was going on, the Pastor called out that there was someone from Benin Republic who was deaf and dumb and that he should come out. When he came out, the Pastor prayed for him and he got his healing!

Beautiful! But my question is "how did a deaf and dumb from birth HEAR the Pastor?" If I told a single lie in that story, let God punish me severely.

Do you see why Jesus was fair enough to deal with public cases WHERE THEY WERE?

But today, they will invite you to a place and use all sorts of tactics to make you believe them - including stage lighting, sound effects, staged testimonials and even voodoo.

Let them walk on the streets of Lagos or Port Harcourt or Enugu or Borno and deal with PUBLICLY known cases AS JESUS DID.

thesicilian:
Some men of God are leading many more souls to Christ today than Jesus Christ ever did in His own lifetime

What do you mean by "leading" souls to Christ? I understand that just ANYBODY can claim to lead souls to Christ. But, what's the GENUINE meaning of leading souls to Christ?

To answer that question, let's look at how Jesus himself led souls to himself. Matthew 4:23ff reports how he went about performing all sorts of wonders and therefore getting a multitude to FOLLOW him. In John 20:21, he said, "as the Father has sent me, so I send you". So, it means those he sent must prove their genuineness and draw people by that means as he did.

So, how are those people leading people to Christ. Every honest reading of John 14:11 - 14 shows that Jesus was referring to miraculous proofs. That's because, to be fair with people, you need to prove that you are really sent by God if you are since there are so many impostors everywhere. And to prove that it's really God who sent you, you must get that God to do what no human can do.

Now, we have all sorts of charlatans in every street corner claiming to be leading souls to Christ when they are only leading them to their bank accounts to pay and the women to their beds. It's to avoid such things obviously that Jesus would say that signs and wonders shall follow true believers in him as they followed him.

So, isn't it clear here that Jesus was talking about GREATER mighty works than just greater number of people? After all, there are religions that don't believe in Christ and they are winning greater numbers of people.

In John 14:11 and 12, Jesus is quoted as saying, "believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Otherwise, believe me BECAUSE OF THE WORKS I DO. Truly truly I say unto you, ANYONE who believes in me, the works that I do shall HE do also, and GREATER works than THESE shall he do for I go unto the Father".

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So, where is ANYONE doing GREATER works than Jesus did?

SEE WHY I ASK

Jesus earlier said in John 14:6, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except by me".

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Today's Christians love to quote this to prove that they are better than the people of other religions. But, I'm saying that if today's Christians can't live up to the demand of John 14:12, it is unfair to insist that people should accept John 14:6 as true because, even Jesus had proofs to show for his claims: "Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father in me. Otherwise, BELIEVE ME BECAUSE OF THE WORK I DO" (John 14:11).

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MaxInDHouse:
Millions already have it and they've been taking it to them but they kept rejecting it so let them try their intellect perhaps they truly believe in Jesus or they're just peddling credulity.

I'll tell you later not now!

Now, say what you promised. No one is here anymore. I'm eager to know how wrong I might be. Thanks.

Dtruthspeaker:
I told you to have the last word therefore I can not answer, however I have answered already!

Did I not see you feel the Power of my Words?

It is Written The Lord confirms the words of His servants!

Now I would not be replying for I do not want to see your further shame!

Words of his servants? I already said it. When people were puffed up as you are puffed up right now, Apostle Paul challenged them as I'm challenging you also. He told them to not claim they are this or that but to prove what they claim they are by the power they manifest because "the Kingdom of God is not in word but in power" (1 Cor 4:20).

I see that your problem comes from ignorance of God's word. As the Lord Jesus said, it's because "you neither know the scriptures nor the power of God" (Matthew 22:29). That's how many of you steal people's wives by claiming to be servants of God and threatening them with curses. You have been getting away with it but NO MORE. From today, all the evils you have been doing and hiding are exposed to your shame.

And yes, you can't respond again because you don't have anything meaningful to say. You claim to be a servant of God but your words are so carnal, bereft of scriptures. What God are you serving? A cursed god or the God of blessings? The answer is clear.

Dtruthspeaker:

I Always Stand by, with and on my words and I never run from them, THEY ARE INDEED MINE!

Hear ye this Wisdom "Every Word of God is Pure: He is a Sheils unto them that put their trust in Him"!

I see you are adamant on having the last word, you can have it!

Your words are feather weight. As for me, I declared as it is written while you are declaring your poor words from your dirty heart. So, standing by your words makes very little meaning. Instead, I stand by the words written before both of us were born. Deal with it. "Who speaks and it comes to pass if the Lord hasn't said so?" Is it you? Answer me.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm waiting for Churchgoers to come and prove themselves before i TELL you where you misunderstood Jesus' comments!

Say it now. No need to wait because "NOW is the day of salvation" (2 Cor. 6:2). Say it now so that the 'churchgoers' will see it once and for all.

Dtruthspeaker:
I did you know evil thing, it is rather you who did evil to thy own self in pursuing a Fooliis evil thing thinking it was good and knowing not that it was not, which is why I veiledly warned you that the way you go brings curses on you, but you did not understand.

I curse you not but it is the way in which you have walked which Curseth you!

The word that you believe in keeps judging you. I made a post to challenge Christians but you preferred to lay a curse on yourself. It remains with you as it is written. Yes, you did me NO EVIL as even you said because THE EVIL YOU TYPED ABOVE REMAINS YOURS FOREVER. The pit you dug, you have fallen into. So, remain cursed you curser-general of the world in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth Amen.

Dtruthspeaker:
Ôlé miracle, Ôlé miracle, Ôlé miraacle,

No Miracle for you, why because it is Wasteful and Useless to miraclulize a dead thing.

For no one considers it reasonable to wash and dress A Pig! No, let it remain dirty until the day of Consumption!



Because I have a better Curse! I Prefer letting Daddy Come back and Catching them doing their evilness and He Dealing with them Personally!

The Bible that you believe in applies to you now, wherever you are and whoever you are. It is written, "he loved cursing and curses came upon him. He delighted not in blessing and so, it was far from him" (Psalm 109:17). He who digs a pit falls into it (Proverbs 26:27). So, your curses return to you FULLY, MULTIPLY, AND INEXORABLY because they belong to you. It's only fair that you have what belongs to you and YOU CANNOT GIVE THEM AWAY. You clothed yourself with cursing and so it soaks you deep right inside you forever and ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth Amen.

Dtruthspeaker:
What would be the Proof required to prove the manifestation of the level of power he is reported to have manifested?

If you say miracles eh, I curse you!

Yes, miracles. Now, let me bring it home. Here in Nigeria, we have seen terrorists kill/kidnap pastors and reverends. We have seen them burn churches. But Christians only complain. Yet, they read in the Bible that Jesus said, "WHATSOEVER you ask in my name, that will I do that the Father be glorified in the Son".

Do Christians like what terrorists are doing in Nigeria? Of course no. Now, since Christians have a blank check from God Himself to ask for WHATSOEVER and it shall be granted, why are they not asking for the terrorists to be totally defeated TODAY and it becomes so that the Father be glorified in the Son?

Instead, it's jazz that's getting glorified in Sunday Igboho, ESN, etc. Why can't pastors like Adeboye, Mbaka, Johnson Suleiman, Oyakhilome, even T.B. Joshua, or any other Christian make a declaration on these terrorists in the name of Jesus Christ and it comes to pass?

And YOU who know how to curse, why not use your curses against these wicked forces? Why are you making your faith a joke?

Lighthouse50:
I dont understand you. Please come again.....

Today, Christians are divided against one another. Each group arrogantly claims to be better than the other. Catholics think they are better than Pentecostals who in turn think they are better than Catholics and Anglicans etc.

Such divisions existed in the early church between the followers of Paul and of Apollos. Paul condemned it by letting them know that both he and Apollos were "pursuing cow for ONE Alhaji who is Christ" so to speak. Then, he concluded it by saying how to know those who are truly working for that 'Alhaji' - it is not by what they say but by the POWER they manifest. "The Kingdom of God is not a matter of mere talks but is manifested in POWER" (1 Cor 4:20).

So, both Jesus himself and Paul taught us that proofs are necessary and that we should have them. So, I'm asking, where are the Christians of today who are proving Jesus TRUE by manifesting the level of power he is reported to have manifested or GREATER than he manifested as his word stated in John 14:12?

So, on what ground are today's Christians asking people to accept John 14:6 as true if they are not meeting up with the demands of John 14:12 especially but also John 14:11-14?

This is what I may call the John 14 challenge. It comes mainly from 2 verses of John Chapter 14 which are verses 6 and 12,

In John 14:6, Jesus is quoted as saying, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one cometh unto the Father except by me".

For many Christians, that is their reason for insisting that someone can only be saved by professing explicit faith in Jesus of Nazareth.

However, these same people overlook the demand later made only 5 to 6 verses down. Jesus is quoted as saying in John 14:11-14, "believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Otherwise, believe me because of the works I do. Truly, truly, I say to you, ANYONE who believes in me, the work that I do shall he do also And GREATER works than these shall he do for I go unto the Father. And, WHATSOEVER you shall ask in my name, that will I do that the Father be glorified in the Son. WHATSOEVER you shall ask in my name, that will I do".

First, these reports show that even Jesus acknowledged that proofs are necessary. You can't just claim that you are this or that. Rather, you need to PROVE your claim if you deserve to be listened to. Otherwise, stop making the claim.

Jesus did not only say, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" but he also proved it by his mighty works. And he referenced those mighty works for validation. "Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me", he said. "Otherwise, BELIEVE ME FOR THE SAKE OF THE WORKS THEMSELVES".

Immediately after that he said that the PROOF wouldn't just stop with him but would continue in ANYONE who believes in him. With a great emphasis he said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, ANYONE who believes in me, the work that I do shall he do also. And GREATER works than these shall he do...".

Where can I find Christians who are doing UP TO the mighty works Jesus is reported to have done not to talk of those doing GREATER works than Jesus did?

Where can I find them? If you know, tell me. But, if I can't find them, what justification do the Christians of today have for asking people to believe in Jesus? Even Jesus himself is quoted as having said, "even if you won't believe in me, at least believe because of the mighty works that you see me do" (paraphrased from John 14:11).

EzeNri:
Another unity beggar

And you are disunity un-beggar haha!

BrandBrainBox:
8. OUR VARIETY IS BEAUTIFUL

I came to realize how beautiful Nigeria is once in 2002 when I attended a national church conference in Ibadan. We had a song procession in which different tribes from Hausa to Igbo to Yoruba to Edo, Tiv, Nupe, Ibibio, etc sang in their respective tongues. It was so beautiful I could have died for joy!

Now, whether in fine art, music or science, or whatever else, variety is always the spice of life while monotony kills interest. Our variety is our beauty in so many ways only that the beauty is currently being messed up by the cancer of foreign domination which we can easily remove if only Nigerians can listen to me.

Everything you said made sense except this. Our differences are too much to be reconcilable. How on Earth can you make a Fulani to coexist with an Igbo for example?

BrandBrainBox:
1. ME: I swore (like Sowore) that I will not award the first position to any currently known brand. The reason is that I am absolutely sure that our best is yet to be here and that our best can just be ANYONE. Yes, and I mean, including YOU.

Believe this. Touch yourself and say "ME, I am going to occupy that number 1 slot. If the founders of these and other well-performing local brands could do it, why not me? I can do it, and I will do it"

Whether you are Arewa, Biafra, Oduduwa, Boko Haram, or whatever other tribe, group, or nation seeking independence from Nigeria, I want you to know that, FOR NOW, NIGERIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WE HAVE. So, each person should work to make it work.

I'm only trying to point out that we can always help ourselves individually no matter how badly things may get. Each of these brands mentioned can easily inspire ANYONE in the country to create what could make Americans beg to have Nigerian visas (never say nay) because we are defeating even herder terrorists and all the barbaric groups messing us up.

Finally, I have a wonderful insight for a few of you who are ready to think out of the box. It is a best-kept secret anyone can easily use to create a brand that sells wide with just an internet access, using free tools. You can do this even with just a good knowledge of something (like car problems or baby-nursing technique). I will be sharing it via a multimedia conference on Telegram. It's free but to stop the mods from closing this topic, I will share the link privately only with those who show interest. So, if you are interested, just comment "INTERESTED". Thank you.

Interested.

Interested.