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HealthRe: Monkey Pox Outbreak: Important Things You Should Know About Monkeypox (A Must Re by ShawnMcJoe: 8:10am On Oct 07, 2017
HealthRe: Is This Occurrence Normal? by ShawnMcJoe: 11:06pm On Sep 24, 2017
RomanceRe: Ladies If You Were To Ask A Guy Out, What Lines Or Moves Would You Make? by ShawnMcJoe: 6:38am On Sep 19, 2017
TosinDru:
It's not an advice ma'am.
I understand you had a bad experience last time you tried it but not every girl will have the same experience... Let them live outside their fears
Cool
SportsRe: FIFA Opens Disciplinary Proceedings Against Dele Alli by ShawnMcJoe: 2:16pm On Sep 08, 2017
He got Jonjo Shelvy sent off without remorse.
This is Karma !
PoliticsRe: Fayose Inspects Ongoing Work At Ado Ekiti Flyover(pics) by ShawnMcJoe: 3:36pm On Aug 18, 2017
This is very nice
Good Project for my home state
HealthRe: Health Minister Launches 'doctor's Stamp' To Check Quackery by ShawnMcJoe: 11:47am On Aug 18, 2017
CelebritiesRe: Olufemi Olukayode Adeyemi: F-Shaw Is Back In The Studio (Photos) by ShawnMcJoe: 11:46am On Aug 18, 2017
HealthRe: Fill The Joy Of Motherhood by ShawnMcJoe: 7:01pm On Aug 17, 2017
HealthRe: Strange Disease Kills 50 People In Kogi State by ShawnMcJoe: 7:00pm On Aug 17, 2017
HealthRe: Pregnancy Are You Pregnant Or Going Through A High Risk Pregnancy,,lets Talk by ShawnMcJoe: 11:00pm On Aug 15, 2017
HealthRe: Pregnancy Are You Pregnant Or Going Through A High Risk Pregnancy,,lets Talk by ShawnMcJoe: 9:19pm On Aug 15, 2017
Christianity EtcRe: Aloysius Ikegwuonu "Bishop" Visits Injured Victims Of The Ozubulu Massacre by ShawnMcJoe: 9:18am On Aug 15, 2017
He looks like Lucky in "The Johnsons"
BusinessRe: Lady Shows The N1000 Note Dispensed To Her By An ATM In Lagos by ShawnMcJoe: 4:55pm On Aug 13, 2017
This post might get someone fired. Just so you know...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Who Will Win The 2017/2018 Premier League Title? by ShawnMcJoe: 3:28pm On Aug 10, 2017
West Ham
Christianity EtcWhat Idolatry Is! by ShawnMcJoe(op): 8:20pm On Jul 26, 2017
What idolatry is!

Idolatry literally means the worship of an "idol", also known as a cult image, in the form of a physical image, such as a statue or icon. In Abrahamic religions, namely Christianity, Islam and Judaism, idolatry connotes the worship of something or someone other than God as if it were God.

What idolatry ISN'T!

STATUES OF MARY AND THE SAINTS? ISN’T THIS IDOLATRY?
“You Shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is the water under the earth; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God….” (Ex 20:3-5).

Many Protestant Christians will accuse Catholic Christians of making idols and quote the above text. What they fail to do is understand the above text in its context. Throughout the history of God’s people, there is always a tendency to fall away from the worship of the One, True God and adopt the pagan practice of worshiping false idols. In modern times those idols are: money, sex, status, etc. When the Jews were under the bondage of the Egyptians there was a temptation to worship the animal like gods of the Egyptians. Many of the Egyptian gods were made in the images of jackals, birds and other animals. In the above text God is making an direct condemnation of this practice when he says do not make a graven image of anything in heaven, the earth, under the earth and in the water.

God is not condemning the making of all images, just images that one would worship as a false god. Just 5 chapters later in Exodus 25: 17-22 God actually commands Moses to make graven images of two cherub (angels) to be part of the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant.

“And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and on cherub on the other end; of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out its wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim.”

Is God contradicting himself? No, God condemns the practice of making false idols to be worshiped as gods as in the case of the golden calf, not images that are used to aid in the worship of God as in the case of the cherub on the Ark of the Covenant. In Exodus 32:1 the people said to Aaron “Up, make us gods, who shall go before us; as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.” The above text is what God is condemning in Exodus 20, making images or statues and proclaiming them to be gods. Another good reference to God commanding man to make graven images is in Numbers 24:8-9 with the bronze serpent.

“And the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.”

God is working his life saving grace through a graven image. Our God is a God of materials; always working his grace through things and people he has created (prophets, priest, angels, water, mud, a bronze snake, Moses’ staff, wine, bread, oil, etc). Twice here we have shown from scripture that God commanded the creation of graven images. If a graven image is made with the intentions to worship as a false god, then this is idolatry, but if the image is made to aid in the worship of God and not be worshiped itself as in the case of the Cherub and the Bronze serpent it is actually beneficial to the Christian people.

Another place in the Bible where graven images are mention is in Ezekiel 14: 17-26. The following verses depict how the inner walls and doors of the Temple in Jerusalem had graven images of cherub, palm trees, man’s faces and lion’s faces:

“…..on every wall on every side in both the inner and outer rooms were carved the figures of cherubim and palmtrees: a palmtree between every two cherubim. Each cherub had two faces: a man’s face looking at a palmtree on one side, and a lion’s face looking at a palmtree on the other; thus they were figured on every side throughout the whole temple. From the ground to the lintel of the door the cherubim and palmtrees were carved on the walls…………Each door had two movable leaves; two leaves were on one doorjamb and two on the other. Carved upon them (on the doors of the nave) were cherubim and palmtrees, like those carved on the walls. Before the vestibule outside was a wooden lattice. There were splayed windows (and palmtrees) on both side walls of the vestibule, and the side chambers of the temple……”

The graven images mentioned in the text above were made in the likeness of things that are in “heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath” (Ex 20:4). If taken out of context this also would look like God is directly contradicting himself. God isn’t contradicting himself because he condemned the creation of graven images that were made for the purpose of idolatry, not graven images that were used, like in this case, to aid in the worship of God and adorn the Holiest place in the Jewish world.

Justification for the use of icons and statues even transcends scripture. The use of icons and images were supported by the Early Church and formally approved at the Second Council of Nicaea in 787AD. The council dealt with the veneration (or honor) and use of religions icons. Over 300 bishops of the Church overwhelmingly supported the use of images; they argued their point by using the Bible as well as the writings of the Early Church Fathers (the Christian leaders who were taught by Jesus and the Apostles).

Another point is to look at is the modern day usage of statues and images. In secular society people make statues and images of great leaders in order to honor and remember them for the great things they have done. How many statues in the United States are there of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and many other famous political and military figures? Is the American public worshiping these people by making these statues? No, they are made to honor these people because of the great things that they have done for our country. How much greater are the holy Christian men and women that have done so much for kingdom of God on Earth. How much greater is the Mother of God who brought Jesus Christ into the world?

One last objection that Protestant Christians bring up is how Catholics kneel before a statue or image of Mary or one of the Saints; that this is a form of idolatry. Again in the context of Exodus 20 this applies to bowing down before a false idol in order to worship it. In Catholic Churches (as well as Orthodox Churches and some older Protestant groups) there are shrines to honor Mary and other Saints where Christians would light a candle and pray to God or ask the Saints intercession. Many times when Christians pray they kneel; just because they are in front of an image or statue doesn’t mean they are praying to the statue or worshiping it, this is the farthest thing from the truth. The statue is a representation of that particular Saint. Catholics sometimes even kiss the statue to represent their love and respect for the living Saint that statue represents in Heaven. This practice transcends Catholicism and is seen in many cultures. Many people keep pictures of family members in their homes and wallets.

When a person dies, friends and family kneel before the body in the coffin and say a prayer, are they worshiping that dead person? Of course not; again scripture and practices of people have to be looked at in their context, if not then one doesn’t really understand what they are reading or witnessing and will have a distorted understanding of the Bible and Christianity all together.

The picture of Pope Francis kissing the statue of the infant Jesus, ISN'T idolatry. It's no different than kissing a photo of a loved one.

The photo next to the pope, IS idolatry.

DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO! I DIDN'T post this, so that people would continue to take Exodus out of context to use against us, which is what some are doing. I posted this to CLARIFY that we as Catholics DO NOT practice what we are accused of. IF this is truly what God meant, then there are other problems with scripture, which cannot be, because God cannot lie. Exodus IN context makes a HUGE difference!!!!

PoliticsRe: Shiites Christmas Message To All Christians (Photo) by ShawnMcJoe: 5:35pm On Dec 25, 2016
Same to you
Christianity EtcRe: A Catholic Priest Holds Mass In An Open Church (Photos) by ShawnMcJoe: 5:32pm On Dec 25, 2016
I am pledged to be born Catholic
EducationRe: Photos: Nairalander's Sister Graduates From Igbinedion University. by ShawnMcJoe: 11:49am On Jun 26, 2016
I remember coach photos

Any one else does ?
Nairaland GeneralRe: How To Create A New Topic by ShawnMcJoe: 10:26am On Apr 10, 2016
Ok
Christianity EtcRe: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by ShawnMcJoe: 6:03pm On Jan 03, 2016
Just like in days of old and like ancient Christians, how many modern church leaders can go the middle east, win souls and risk martyrdom ?
SportsRe: Int'l Friendly: Nigeria Vs Cameroon 3.0 (Live) by ShawnMcJoe: 9:23pm On Oct 11, 2015
F50:
6,000 Naira bouquet on DSTV still I no reach to watch Naija match!
Chai!
I weep for this country, I weep!

Failed state
Lol

Premium or nothing !

Serious abuse of monopoly.
Makes one Remember when MTN had no competitors
SportsRe: Vincent Enyeama Finally Quits Unceremoniously. by ShawnMcJoe: 11:34am On Oct 08, 2015
cbrass:
I remember him against Lionel messi at south Africa then. Messi couldn't get a goal pass him. Honestly he is the best we have now, NFF SHOULD STOP EMPLOYING THESE SPOIL BRATS AS COACHES
4 years later, Same Messi shipped 2 past him...signals of declining performance.
Oilseh is right to drop him. The team needs to move on.
Mikel is next to be booted out please.
SportsRe: Why I Removed Enyeama As Eagles Captain — Oliseh by ShawnMcJoe: 9:54am On Oct 08, 2015
He will be a good team Captain.
Just buy him a comb. shocked
CareerRe: CBN Policy: Massive Job Cuts Looms In Manufacturing Sector by ShawnMcJoe: 11:16am On Oct 07, 2015
For a second, stop the panic, do the mathematics...

Why does Nigeria really need to import items like frozen turkey, aluminum, raw materials like crude oil palm, etc ?

We have the natural and human resources. If what our factories and manufacturing industries are actually doing is importing and and turning into finished goods, what happens to real GDP on the long run?

Though the restriction on importation of these items might hurt on the interim, before long, people will be forced to go into mining, agriculture, etc...our natural resources will bring the nation real wealth, naira will strengthen and the boom will favore us all.
AutosRe: 2003 Honda Crv Available by ShawnMcJoe: 2:21pm On Jan 11, 2015
Hw much and ur number to reach u
08068958997
AutosRe: Honda Accord 2001 For Sale by ShawnMcJoe(op): 10:10am On Oct 12, 2014
chrisg10:
Hello Sir, am offering 450k for this car, kindly let me know if the 450k could fly the car.

Location of the car?

Thanks
callme 08098511545
AutosRe: Honda Accord 2001 For Sale by ShawnMcJoe(op): 8:34pm On Oct 09, 2014
Still available
AutosRe: Honda Accord 2001 For Sale by ShawnMcJoe(op): 10:39pm On Oct 07, 2014
Still available
AutosRe: Honda Accord 2001 For Sale by ShawnMcJoe(op): 10:38pm On Oct 05, 2014
500k is my limit.
Location is Lagos mainland.

Please call 08098511545
AutosHonda Accord 2001 For Sale by ShawnMcJoe(op):
Honda Baby Boy For Sale:

Please contact Seun : 08098511545 or seunreloaded@gmail.com
Price: 550,000 (Negotiable)

Air Condition
Airbags,
Power Windows,
Allow Wheels,
No single scratch or dent.
Perfect Working Condition

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gist is true sha

link is: http://www.etisalat.com.ng/easynet.php

me sef, I go try am
PropertiesRe: Mini Flat And Self Contain To Let On Mainland by ShawnMcJoe: 10:08am On Mar 12, 2010
Please, What's up with MINI FLAT @ OYADIRAN ESTATE
please reply via sms to 08068958997

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