₦airaland Forum

OboloMAN:
How will you address Elelenwo and Woji communities as Farmlands?
They have always been key towns in Port Harcourt.

Woji has never been a town or settlement.. It is a DISTRICT. and the WOJI district covers the whole of mile one to mile 3 Diobu. They were all collectively called the RUMU WOJI district and the area now referred to as WOJI town was a Forest.. Even as at now if you go you ll not find anything like WOJI cemetery.. I am sure your village has a cemetery.. Tell me where the ancient people of woji buried their ancient people if woji existed as a town back then.

OboloMAN:
They are home to which set of people?

Mainly Mboko, Igbos

Skillbobralph:
Ask people in Rivers, Wike is working and stop the hatred.

Dualization of slaughter road already completed with bridge. So what makes u feel this is propaganda. Remove Sentiment and acknowledge the right thing.

My anger is , all these places are not home to Rivers people. The residents there are mainly non Rivers natives. Why is Rivers state govt not concentrating on where Rivers people live and wasting money on places non natives live ? We need Rivers villages developed.. Mennn when will that happen ? How many Rivers people live in this slaughter road ?

OboloMAN:
"The previous administration played politics with the
Oil Mill-Elelenwo-Akpajo, deliberately refusing to
construct the major road.

Because Elelenwo Community Massively Supported their Son Hon.Okey Chinda a core PDP community.
Amaechi refused to construct this all important Old Refinery Road.

Thank God for WIKE
SHAME ON AMAECHI

The Elenwo community I knew was a farmland. Today I am sure Ngwa Igbo people have flooded it to claim it as their native land.. All the Ikwere farmlands are already flooded with migrant Igbos including WOJI the forest back in the days.

barcanista:
My brother, these autonomous kingdom of a thing is not our primary challenge.

Amount of Money given to autonomous enclaves as royalty by various companies doing business in the enclave is even more than the statutory allocation some LGAs collect from govt.. This royalty is collected by the traditional rulers and most times by the first class ruler of the people. Interestingly this money is embezzled by the chiefs instead of being used for community development . This is another reason why the rush to upgrade traditional stools.

barcanista:
I am happy for the people of Abonnema. Hopefully, the Amayadabo of Ogu(Okrika) will be upgraded to First Class status.

Now you see the bias ? When Ogu as old as it is and large with satelite towns was not made first class. When Opobo that fought war to gain independence and as large as it is with satelite towns was not upgraded and when Bakana that fought war with Kalabari and gained complete independence with satelite towns has not been made , not to mention the ancient clan OF BILLE How is Abonnema where there is no consensus and when the Bob Manuel house can not at any time rule over the AKI ALA group is now a first class stool to rule over only a segment of Abonnema .They have perhaps succeeded in diving the small town of ABONNEMA in to two cos the AKIALA GROUP can never and will never be under the Bob manuel house ..

barcanista:
Haba baba, it won't come to that na

If only you know the number of towns trying to become kingdom in the Kalabari axis alone.. Right now there are 5 including Kula, Tombia, Bakana, Ke and the Abonnema..

Eastlink:
Keep away from that SW imposter if you enjoy being ridiculed. The Abonnema community has no right whatsoever to be classified as a Kingdom. What is its size, and which phantom kingdom is the Bob-Manuel Chief going to rule. I hope Governor Wike rescinds that decision. We don't want bad blood in this new administration.

Thank you very much .

HopeAtHand:
Across the River from you.

Ogbakiri.

Across which River ? Who told you I am from Tombia ?

HopeAtHand:
I know you're from Degema as in degema degema..una too dey vex unnecessarily.

I am actually from Abonnema.. and where are you from ? Igbo ?

HopeAtHand:
Abonnema popular pass Kula, Tombia and Bakana..besides they are also in different LGAs.

Is is best you fight for yours and dnt pull anoda man effort down.

What has LGA got to do with kingdoms ? Now I see you have no idea about the whole thing . And what has popularity got to do with anything ?

Bonapart:
Every body making mouth

Help comes from God

stay home and get help from God to feed your mouth and belly.

jaylister:
Nt everybody wil belive dis

But That is the truth. I am from Abonnema and Bakana.

ijawcitizen:
you've been wishing Ijawland division hoping any break-away part will be in your biafra, now you wish me dead?

yes clown! i'm alive and very well, but unlike you i'm not so ordinary that i'd virtually be living on nairaland.

The guy is a scumbag

jaylister:
And why do u think Abonnema dnt deserve it?

The Abonnema community are not under any Amayanabo.. The Bobmanuel community can not impose itself on the rest. Bobmanuel as AWO people can not even rule over the Briggs as Akiala people. Never had been and will never be. The Entire Briggs compound is a continuation of ancient Kalabari settlement arrangement as AKI ALA people while Bobmanuel is a splinter group of the Endeama where the Endeama are already ruling in Buguma. So history does not favor them and it also lacks defined territory..

HopeAtHand:
Abonnema popular pass Kula, Tombia and Bakana..besides they are also in different LGAs.

Is is best you fight for yours and dnt pull anoda man effort down.

Shush.. Abonnema people do not pass Tombia, Bakana and Kula. Stop saying what you don't know.. Bakana is the real break away kingdom and it was due to Bakana that Buguma, Abonnema were founded. Bakana has been a kingdom since KALABARI break apart. Abonnema is not a defined Kingdom cos half of the community are still with the King of Kalabari. The Bobmanuel family that is fighting for this first class stool does not also have or control any other region besides the Bobmanuel compound and perhaps Georgewill so where or what is the geography of that Kingdom ? Kula is VAST with numerous satellite communities and large land area owned by the kingdom . Tombia at the other hand is also an ancient kingdom that only merged with the Kalabari..

stebell:
APC having interest in matters that doesnt concern them.kalabari land is too blessed and big to hav only one king in Buguma. i think the people deserve more. Kudos to the Governor.

Kalabari is not half the size of EDO and yet EDO has one king.. The whole English world has one Queen.. Bobmanuel Compound is not even a town so how is it a kingdom ?. Tombia, Bakana, Kula are the most qualified to have first class traditional rulers.

holocron:
Quite interesting! Can you also explain how the nembe language lost its 'ijaw'ness?

You have to first explain why Abakiliki Igbos and Ikwere Igbos and Ngwa Igbos dont speak the same Igbo.
Or explain why Oyo Yoruba is different from Ijebu and Ondo.

Ijaw dialects from Arogbo to Obolo vary from clan to clan due to the same factor that caused the difference between Igbo clans and difference between Yoruba clans.

agarawu23:
which picture?

That Picture of where gunmen are directing affairs.

pazienza:
Where exactly are you from. I don't like dealing with entities with no identifiable ethnic group.

Irrelevant

1shortblackboy:
if some people who u think are igbos say they're not igbos now, u will call them names and shout to high heavens and insist that they're igbos no matter what they say. Now someone is saying although his group are disticnt they're still part of the ijaw nation. Ur here insisting that they're not part of ijaw. Now tell me if ur God or just a crazed biafran

That is what the Igbos are.

jaylister:
http://www.hygist.com/2015/07/abonnema-people-agog-as-gov-wike-makes.html

Today 18th day of July, 2015. Governor Wike has given the long waited first class certificate to the king of abonnema. HRM Disrael Ogbobo Bob-Manuel. The people of abonnema people has started their unending celebration as usual for their king. Main ceremony takes place by 4pm today.

Political move.. Would be reversed when proper govt comes.. If not who is the King of Abonnema going to rule and where is the territory of the king ?

Bakana is the true kingdom that deserves this first class stool and not anything close to Abonnema.

pazienza:
And does the Guy speak for all Obolo people?

The last time the Ijaws wanted to have Eastern Obolo and Ibeno in their oil rivers state, they rejected it.
I want to believe that the Andonis see themselves as a distinct group from Ijaws.

That's just my impression from few Andonis I have met in real life.

Obolo people did not reject it. It was the Efiks and Ibibios living among the Obolos that rejected it claiming the Obolos were migrants. Next time please understand what people say. It would be like Fulani people in Southern Kaduna rejecting what the Southern natives want or Just like Fulanis in Jos rejecting what the Biroms want.. Every Obolo is an Ijaw unless one who claims to be Obolo but whose ancestors are Efiks or Ibibios .

ChinenyeN:
On the topic of the Lower Niger Bronze Industry...

This just crossed my mind. There is a community within the Ngwa-Asa-Ndoki axis that might present as an interesting case with regards to metalworking and bronzes in the Lower Niger area. This community is Abala, within Ibeme, in what is now Obingwa LGA. In past years, Abala developed some notoriety, because of its metalworking. In particular, its history as a local, indigenous gun factory.

Within all this, what is interesting is that Abala has no oral traditions that highlight or even mention metalworking in its early settlement history. Also, the community which they migrated from, now in Ukwa East LGA, also has no casting traditions of any kind. Yet, the Abala community actively engages in metalworking. I've asked around, but have yet to get a good response regarding how metalworking was introduced to Abala (though I could make some inferences). For all intents and purposes the metalworking tradition in Abala can be likened to a 'random manifestation'.

If one considers Abala as a case study of sorts, then a case might possibly be made for other such 'random manifestations' in the Lower Niger region; random manifestations which fizzled away almost quickly as they came to be established. This might explain the stylistic diversity found among Lower Niger brass/bronzes, and help provide a reason for why it has so far proven difficult for the academia to localize the works.

Imo river is not a tributary of river Niger so why did you consider the Imo river belt and basin as part of the NIGER DELTA ? Explain yourself..

ChinenyeN:
On the topic of the Lower Niger Bronze Industry...

This just crossed my mind. There is a community within the Ngwa-Asa-Ndoki axis that might present as an interesting case with regards to metalworking and bronzes in the Lower Niger area. This community is Abala, within Ibeme, in what is now Obingwa LGA. In past years, Abala developed some notoriety, because of its metalworking. In particular, its history as a local, indigenous gun factory.

Within all this, what is interesting is that Abala has no oral traditions that highlight or even mention metalworking in its early settlement history. Also, the community which they migrated from, now in Ukwa East LGA, also has no casting traditions of any kind. Yet, the Abala community actively engages in metalworking. I've asked around, but have yet to get a good response regarding how metalworking was introduced to Abala (though I could make some inferences). For all intents and purposes the metalworking tradition in Abala can be likened to a 'random manifestation'.

If one considers Abala as a case study of sorts, then a case might possibly be made for other such 'random manifestations' in the Lower Niger region; random manifestations which fizzled away almost quickly as they came to be established. This might explain the stylistic diversity found among Lower Niger brass/bronzes, and help provide a reason for why it has so far proven difficult for the academia to localize the works.

Where is upper Niger if you consider the ABALA land as lower Niger and where does Okrika, Kalabari and Ibani and Ogoni fall if the Lower Niger is ABALA land ?

pazienza:
This doesn't make sense.

How do you define what is core Obolo and which is peripheral. I think you are merely biting your nose to spite your face.

The Obolo's closer to Ijaw speaking communities surely have more with Ijaws, while those in Ibeno axis have more with Ibibios.

What the guy is saying in essence is, OBOLO land is an Ijaw land and the aborigines are Ijaws but Migrants like Igbo, Ibibio and Efiks among them have changed their language and culture. That does not change the land from Ijaw to anything.
He is a proud Ijaw man from Obolo land and the land falls within the Ijaw geography.

delishpot:
Haba I yinbere you wont believe I thought that name meant Our Mother And I also believe SO was the word for heaven or heavenlies.
Its all good. Tamuno I boma..

You are right. it means our mother. I only explained it in a way you d understand it better than just our mother.. our mother MEANS WA IYI INGI.. but the actual meaning of WA IYINGI was what I explained so you dont see it as female.... I said wa iyingi means the mass of object that produced us .... I explained INGI as either an imaginary mass or a physical mass.. The word INGI is an old Ijaw word and it does not mean mother. It means mass of object.. Mother is IYI INGI... Mass of object that produces... So God is seen as our producer which is WA IYI INGI .. I also explained what IYI means....

So is also the word for heaven.. It is used for heaven cos heaven is considered a natural place where the divine being dwells.. The divine form of nature where existence came from is SO and that is God.. In Ijaw land and indeed Kalabari, God is not an Object but a divine being . .The Divinity of the divine being is called SO and it is this SO that is termed as WA IYI INGI ( our producer ) or Tamuno ( creator )..

delishpot:
All my life I was told the kalabari people are related to the ijaws. Though my dad never called himself an Ijaw man. He called himself kalabari man. The Ijaws to him were the Riverine people of the then Bendel state, people from Now Bayelsa state . Even those from Bendel now delta were sometimes called Izon.

Biko, can someone tell me the story behind wayingi and Akaso? I am very much interested. Though I am Kalabari Abonnema to be precise, I do not know much about them.

Wayingi is the Kalabari spelling for WOINGI... wa yingi means who produced us.. In Ancient Kalabari INGI refers to a mass of object as in blob or any given mass of object.. YI means to produce... You must have heard peeps saying, Fulo meh minji minji YI teh.. It means the soup has become watery ( produced water )... Wa means us in Kalabari and it is the distortion of WO in original Ijaw language.. Hence, WA YI INGI which means the Mass of body that produced us.. The mass of body could be imaginary or abstract and in this case it is Abstract cos we do not know that mass of body.. It refers to the God who created us.. The God that produced us... . Before this time, the God of Ijaw people was called OGI SO or OGINA SO. It means OGE the God or God of Oge.. Oge is the father of the Ijaw race today.. Apart from Oge who was seen as the God, So many other things have been seen as God and AKA was one of them.. AKA SO means AKA the God... SO means the natural being that is referred to as the INGI ( imaginary mass ) that produced us.. AKA was probably a human being like OGE ( OGI ) . And so when a strange white woman was found durinG the Portuguese colonial era by the KORO AME Ijaw people, They thought she was AKA SO that has come in human form so they picked her up and called her AKA SO the WA YI INGI ( WOINGI ).. Her love for little kids gave her the name AWO MINA AKA SO the WOINGI ( WA IYI INGI )..

delishpot:
My dear, you went about it the wrong way. Not good at all at all. I never claimed that igbos were ijaws. I never insulted anyone, you were rude and not a good custodian of the kalabari history. You will chase away instead of enlighten people about the kalabari people. This is a discussion where we all come to discuss share ehat we knoe and learn from each other. What is with the name calling? Not good at all. I did you no wrong please learn to talk to people with sone respect. No one is trying to draw your blood. This attitude will take you no where. To say the only person that speaks any igbo language is an igbo person? You call yourself a kalabari man yet you fail to know that many kalabari men marry igbo women and their kids may speak igbo? Its a shame your approach. Please you alone dont hold monopoly to insults you know.

Bere ofori.. Kalabari are Ijaw people..

delishpot:
Abeg wetin bring all these insults? Wetin I do you oga? So because I say Biko I have becone your enemy number 1? Ok before I give feedback biko clarify na me you insult abi you quote the wrong post?
Abeg confirm before I give my own reply.

You are not my enemy but if you try to use Igbo in an Ijaw thread, you are my enemy .

delishpot:
This man, you know a lot.

This is what KIWI does not know..

Elem Kalabari where Abonnema, Buguma, Bakana and Obuama people came from had nothing like POLO. What it had were AME which is called ward in English.. The various Ame ( groups ) Were people from different Ijaw clans... .. When we say BOMA ame we mean Boma and his group... At that time, About 9 AME were identified. And they were , KORO AME, AKI ALA AME, IGODO AME, ENDE AME, BUKO AME, and others... EACH OF THESE Ame grew in numbers and certain people among them who became wealthy became ALA APU... . Each of these AME was independent of the other and each of them protected themselves.. They had war canoes which they used to protect themselves and such war canoes were also used to guard their merchant boats.. The merchant boats were called GIGI cos of the toughness in paddling them.. With time certain men who became wealthy established their own domain and section and had to provide the needy security for the people within.. This was the beginning of the establishment of new CANOE sections .. These new Canoe sections are known as HOUSES.. House in this case does not mean BUILDING but family block.. Since the new family block depended entirely on the strength of the war canoe established .. This was how war canoe houses started.. War canoe houses grew up in size and in some war canoe houses close to 5 new sections could rise.. each of these new house became new segment of the war canoe house and so the entire ELEM ama became divided along AME- WAR CANOE HOUSE- POLO- SUB POLO- WARI.. .. This is why in todays Abonnema, Buguma and Bakana and Obuama you can find compounds who are of the same lineage with some compounds another town.. It was because the people did not move along the AME line but they moved along POLO lines because what happened in Elem Ama wasa civil war where different polo supported Amakiri and some Polo did not support.. It was not really along the AME as in Akiala ame, Ende ame... The Entire Braide compound of Bakana that fough against Amakiri were Ende Ame people and AMAKIRI also is an Ende ame group. The Entire Jackreece in Buguma are Koro ame people and the entire Black duke in Abonnema and Duke in Bakana are Koro ame also....

delishpot:
All my life I was told the kalabari people are related to the ijaws. Though my dad never called himself an Ijaw man. He called himself kalabari man. The Ijaws to him were the Riverine people of the then Bendel state, people from Now Bayelsa state . Even those from Bendel now delta were sometimes called Izon.

Biko, can someone tell me the story behind wayingi and Akaso? I am very much interested. Though I am Kalabari Abonnema to be precise, I do not know much about them.

The BIKO you used confirms you to be an IGBO man.. Many Igbo people were brought to Abonnema and those Igbos are not Ijaws but Igbo and you are one of them.... God and find the meaning of KALABARI and also find out if Come in Kalabari is Igbo or Ijaw.. Also find out why Okrika, Kalabari, Bille and Ibani dialects are almost the same . Find out who the people of Ke, Kula, Minama, Soku are and tell me if they are Kalabari or Ijaw.. Confused people like you need to be first flogged in the public before teaching the right thing.. Igbo fool like you.. I am Kalabari and I am Ijaw by Tribe . We the Ijaws of KALABARI own KALABARI and not you the Igbos.