Millerz:
When we tell these atheists that America was built on christian principles and doctrines, they say its a lie. Most of the founding fathers of America were christians. Till this day, you cannot be the president of America is you aren't a christian

America was not founded on Christian principles, they specifically went out of their way to not mention God in their Constitution. They had lived under a Theocratic dictatorship under King George.
You need to do research you can become a president with out being a Christian, Bernie Sanders was in the running and is Jewish if not for Hillary and the DNC sabotaging the primaries he would have been the President

The "In God We Trust" was only added to the currency in 1957.

Religion fills the mind of people with darkness, and keeps them in ignorance of real duties and true interests, instead they waste time praying to a God they have never seen or met deluding themselves that have a personal relationship with him. All this talk of a holy spirit is ridiculous, every religion is based on false assumptions.

The important is to not stop questioning, many theists say God did it, this answers absolutely nothing about our origins rather if anything it puts a big question mark. If it we never find out about the origin, it is a worthy goal to keep searching, science is cumulative each generation builds upon the advancement of the others.

Religion has no answers to give us, i see people here saying it is Intelligent design, this contributes nothing to our quest for the origins of the life.

Pidggin:


Stop talking rubbish read my previous post Egyptian history is incomplete

You claim it is incomplete because it does not fit your beliefs, the Exodus story is a myth the Egyptians never owned any Israeli slaves
The bible is mostly fiction

JackBizzle:


There is some confusion between two of you.

Are you guys talking about

-climatologists or
-rainmakers?

I wrote in my previous post "What happens to the faith healer and the babalawo when any poor citizen can see the full effect of drugs or surgeries, administered without ceremonies or mystifications? Roughly the same thing as happens to the rainmaker when the climatologist turns up. Same thing with God, science teaches us that we no longer have to look for imaginary supports to explain things"
Then he started defending rainmakers, those who believe mysticism influences weather.

TomHagen:
Reductio ad Absurdum. I thought you lot claimed to be logical. Perhaps you do not know there are scientific methods of manipulating the weather, that is the first thing self-acclaimed logicians resort to instead of this indignation that you feign. Is this an attempt at masking ignorance?

Look, human activity and climate change can affect weather patterns by changing the atmospheric conditions. However, a person claiming to be a rainmaker who can influence weather by mysticism is profiting off ignorance.

TomHagen:
Absolute rubbish. What then do you make of the rainmaker's claims?

If you really believe rainmakers can influence weather, then i won't waste time arguing with you this is Dark Age thinking

Pidggin:


Archeological evidence supports biblical truth

You are showing an emotional bias here, if anything archeology proves very little in the Bible is factual it may mention ancient cities or customs which are accurate but apart from that the stories are certainly untrue.

The biggest fabrication in the Bible is the Israelites being slaves in Egypt, even Israeli archeologists have admitted the story is unsubstantiated. The whole story is fiction which is the main reason the Pharaoh in the Exodus story is not named, if they did people could have easily investigated the story and the truth would have come out

TomHagen:
Please explain what 'climatologists' do to demystify rainmakers.

A climatologist shows that there is a pattern to weather and a rainmaker is powerless and has no effect whatsoever on weather conditions.

How can the human mind progress when we are frightened about pleasing someone who we have never met or seen. Everything we know about Jesus is third hand information from scriptures written posthumously. Sounds like ancient myths to me and stuff of fantasy.

Christianity has done a good job on Africans, they created this Jesus character to pretend they hold the keys of heaven and hell, you can be saved if you sacrifice your rational thinking, be gullible and accept a story with outrageous claims.

Kalatium:

That's where you get it wrong. Where is the prove that most Christian in the West acknowledge evolution?.. According to pew centre most people(apart) from Christian do not accept evolution

We can extrapolate based on the percentage of Christians in the population of these countries excluding Turkey

Kalatium:

That's where you get it wrong. Where is the prove that most Christian in the West acknowledge evolution?.. According to pew centre most people(apart) from Christian do not accept evolution

I don't know how you interpreted the data, but yes most Christians in the US and Western Europe accept evolution, they tend to believe in a theistic form of evolution in which God starts the process which is different from creationist, 6000 year old concept

It is natural to think that the universe and living things must be the handiwork of a designer but it also natural to see the world as flat or that the sun orbits the earth.

Because there are things we do not know, our pockets of ignorance gives us no reason whatsoever to presume a God. We have no need to abandon our hard won principles of science and reason and accept a mystic answer. None of the holes of our ignorance have been filled by any religious dogma. God is an inappropriate explanation for anything, there is not a shred of evidence indicating that such a being exists.

Ignorance and fear created the god. The descriptions of nature in any so called holy book are completely off scientifically. How peculiar is it that a God who supposedly created nature wouldn't be able to accurately describe how nature works. We will continue searching for the answers, we are on a quest to find out the mysteries of life and the universe.

Knowledge is preferable to ignorance, better by far to embrace the hard truth than the reassuring fable of Jesus
God is a pocket of ignorance in our understanding of the universe, using him as an explanation for some phenomena we do not understand at this moment is a display of weakness

I want God to say hi, he has been the hide and seek champion for over 2000 years. He watched with indifference the enslavement of millions, two world wars and the holocaust the least he could do was to stop by every now and then

LaClicKLaBenDin:
I don't know how people see atheists, but through my interactions with them on this forum, and knowing very well how the devil operates, I can confidently say that atheist are not just people who do not believe in God, they do, but the thing is; majority of them are actually against God, and are consciously evangelising for the devil by turning people away from God, by putting doubts in the hearts of the weak and intending believers.

These are the end times, believers should be smart.

If you're widely read in issues that border on how the devil operates, you'd understand that, the most potent weapon satan has been using is denial and ignorance. Since that hasn't worked out just fine, he has now sent out agents through atheism, to make people live in total denial of anything spiritual, thereby making it easy for people not only to disbelieve in God, but at the same time live in totally denial of satan's existence, thereby making it easier for operate and work on them.

I'm not saying that all atheist are agents of satan, but majority are, while others are just weak-minded Christians or non-believers who were led into atheism ignorantly.

You can say what you want, but I can never be ignorant of the devices of the devil.

"My people perish for lack of knowledge"

Religion is based primarily on fear, fear of the unknown, fear of death, it thrives off superstition(see Africa, 95% religiosity)
What happens to the faith healer and the babalawo when any poor citizen can see the full effect of drugs or surgeries, administered without ceremonies or mystifications? Roughly the same thing as happens to the rainmaker when the climatologist turns up.

Same thing with God, science teaches us that we no longer have to look for imaginary supports to explain things. Atheism is by itself not a moral position or political one of any kind, it is simply the refusal to believe in a supernatural dimension.

When i see posts like this, it is evident that religion inculcates a high level of delusion in its apologists. All the texts of the major religions see women as an inferior creations, homosexuals as abominations, endorses enslavement of others and fosters and in group out group mentality.
It is secular society which has forced religion kicking and screaming to reform themselves and modernize themselves into the 21st Century, and you dare to claim religion recognizes the rights of all, give me a break

Reason, not faith.
Evidence, not hearsay.
Science, not superstition.
Actions, not prayer.
Morality, not religion.
Intelligent people tend to reject antiquity, faith and superstition. It is not a war against God, we oppose the concept of a God for which there is no evidence.

Jesus should be considered to be a fictional character, the real one in History was a normal man who led an end of the world cult. The stories attached to him are untrue and absurd, they are so outrageous that we might as well see him as fictional. His character was created to control people, which sane man would tell people to turn the other cheek and leave their families behind, this is cult like thinking

Christianity demands its followers to be like sheep the most stupid of all mammals, incapable of defending themselves, submissive, living only to be fleeced periodically. The word backsliding was used in the Bible to remind them to keep in line, suspend their rational thinking and live strictly based on the ideals from a book of dubious origin

Evolution explains more about the phenomena of life than all of the religious leaders. Darwin over 150 years ago demonstrated that the so called inspired writers of the Bible and Quran knew nothing of the origin of man, nothing of geology, nothing of astronomy, nothing of nature. He showed that the Bible was born out of ignorance and fear, he destroyed the foundation of Religion, there is nothing left other than faith.
Now Christians have come up with creationism which is not science, is not peer reviewed they produce no empirical evidence. It is laughed at in any respectable scientific circle and most Christians in the West acknowledge evolution as fact

Pidggin:


You guys and hypocrisy are 5 and 6. You live your life based on the belief sold to you by Western civilization (Big bang theory), evolution theory also started the West, you entire belief system is from science which also began in the West and you dare accuse Christians of same.

You athiest are the saddest people on earth.

Evolution and Big bang theory are not beliefs, they are well-substantiated explanations of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts. It is not dependent on the region or authority where it comes from. Religious people believe in what they are supposed to prove

KingEbukasBlog:


That's the dome cosmology . There are thousands of rebuttals against the dome cosmology by Christians .



And you didn't question atheism ? When you question the existence of the Supreme Being , it is also rational to question the non existence of the Supreme Being this makes you an agnostic .



So you stopped being a Christian because of that ? Wow ! Anyway its your life . The Book of John , Luke and Matthew were not from anonymous writers .

I might be appealing to authority but take a look at this ; there are thousands of bible scholars who are more intelligent and knowledgeable of the foundation of Christianity than you are and are still strong Christians .Why? Because Christianity is more than who wrote the Gospel books . Its all about being in a relationship with God . If you have the knowledge of God , you won't renounce your faith .

Also , the rejection of the divinity of Christ or the Christian concept of God does not mean you are an atheist . You simply lost your faith in a personal God not impugning the existence of the Supreme Being . Is the Supreme Being a personal God ? Does Christianity portray the true nature of the Supreme Being ? That's an entirely different view . That's why there is deism



When you say evidence of God , what kind of evidence do you mean ? What I see as evidence for God is certainly different from what you see as evidence for God .

Of course Christians will try to dismiss dome cosmology because it would be embarrassing for them in modern times not to, it is common for religious people to reinterpret their scriptures when the scientific knowledge progresses like how the Catholic Church has declared the Adam and Eve story metaphorical
The earliest gospel Mark was by an anonymous author, then how can we trust the other gospel writers who never even met Jesus, they even added stories too like the adulterous woman. I have looked into what Biblical scholars believe on research polls they have very different views from the average Christian take especially on literal truth of the Bible. Most of them say the Exodus story is a myth

Maybe i was not clear enough on that, i was led to believe the gospels were eye witness accounts, then i found out these authors probably never even met the guy, this was a red flag to me i could no longer believe the events happened as they were described.
Of course the authors had the freedom to fabricate Old testament prophecies to fit with their story, they had the advantage of there being little mention of Jesus outside the Bible. Initially, it was a loss in the faith in a Christian God then i read up on the accuracy of the claims in the Bible and reached my conclusion. Being a Christian i naturally denied Evolution by default, once the blinds had been removed i became more open to how empirical data research works. Then i gradually reached the conclusion that there is no God neither is there a need for one to explain our origin

Evidence for God i for there to be demonstration of a suspension in the natural order of things, say an amputee growing back a limb, an eye growing back or a physical manifestation

KingEbukasBlog:


Well that picture represents the perspective of ignorant arrogant atheists who are intransigent about their views of a flat earth because they are afraid that accepting the views of modern Christians could mean they are wrong .

Atheists say we should question everything but they never question atheism .

Oh well

The picture is not from an atheist it is well known that Ancient Hebrews saw the earth from the perspective of a disc, with a firmanent as the circle above the earth, Heaven right above it
Virtually all atheists were once believers, it is questioning which led us to renounce our faith
I stopped being a Christian when i found out the gospels were written by anonymous authors over a full generation after Jesus was dead. Modern day Christians are very different from the early ones, they had no such belief in Jesus' divinity
I am open to any evidence of this God, theists have failed woefully to present any evidence, we must be atheists at this point in time because we have reason to believe in a God.

KingEbukasBlog:



Since you are now an atheist , please tell us what you achieved in life with critical thinking that makes you better than us here
https://www.nairaland.com/3009541/negro-atheists-show-me-works

Since the beginning of the existence of man , atheists started making notable achievements from the 18th century - meaning it took over 6000 years to make an achievement with all the high levels of critical thinking . Wawu !
https://www.nairaland.com/3299993/what-prominent-achievements-made-atheists

Don't you know about Ancient Egypt and civilization ? Ancient Egyptians had the myriads of gods they worshiped and they were more advanced in knowledge and civilization than any other nation . What about the Greeks and their pantheon of gods ? The Hellenic polytheists - Aristotle , Pythagoras - all worshiped these gods and are still doyens in philosophy and mathematics - respected even in this modern era . Pythagoras even believed in mysticism and founded a religious cult - Pythagoreanism .

There are so many great minds that had different religious beliefs and what they believed did not inhibit their intellectual development .

But wait, atheists have just a handful of great minds throughout history of mankind . I don't think they are up 10 great minds who are atheists.

Also note that Christianity , deism and the Hellenic polytheism own most of the great minds .

Lest I forget , I want to let you know that evolution isn't a modern scientific idea , very archaic in fact . The idea of Evolution started with the Mayan culture around 600 BC . Then came the Thales of Miletus (640–546 BC) who first came up with the idea that life came from water and there was the Greek philosopher Empedocles (493–435 BC) who is described as the father of evolutionary naturalism . Even the Hindus believed in evolution but in a more spiritual sense .

Atheism has nothing to offer humanity my friend , it tried to with communism and it was bloodshed . I proved atheism was the animus that led to killings of millions HERE and you guys claimed that atheism does not motivate anything . And here , you clearly suggested that atheism motivates critical thinking bla bla bla - this means you are contradicting yaselves . If you agree atheism motivates critical thinking then atheism was indeed the animus that led to the killings

Peace !

All those people you named did not explain evolution, they had their creation myths like all theists do, i give them credit for it being better than the Adam and Eve Genesis story myth. Empedocles was not even intending to explain evolution, though he certainly had an understanding of certain aspects of natural selection. He did not propose any idea of common ancestry or speciation

Talk all you like about history, people did not have the ammunition back then to explain our origins therefore they had to invoke God.
Of course people in the ancient times would have been religious, if they had no clue what caused earthquakes, thunder, how mountains were formed.

We have those tools now and we can now say that we do not need God to explain anything, we have never seen this level and speed of scientific development it is unparalleled. In the 21st century, we have no need for God he has been driven to the point where people used to say 'Only a fool will say there is no God' to 'you cant prove he doesn't exist'
I find it funny you say you can't name 10, while using Google and Facebook

KingEbukasBlog:


You are proud in your ignorance . The Towel of Babel was not built to attempt to meet God in the sky , it was built to access a portal to Heaven . Remember Christ also ascended into the sky . It's all about the portal . Look up of what Babel means - Gate of God . And portals are scientific or magical gateways that lead to other locations or dimensions .

Recondite knowledge isn't meant for parochial minds bruh .

Seems like you are living in a timewarp, this fable was written from the perspective of a flat earth i am shocked to see this line of thinking

Seun:
Atheism is perfectly suitable since it just means a lack of belief in any god. It does not require certainty. The vast majority of atheists will not claim to be certain. Babies are atheists, because they don't believe in any God. They are converted to religion by their parents. Simple!

Come to think of it one would have to be introduced to the concept of a God in the first place to state a position of agnosticism

AnonyNymous:

One thing, I think 'agnostics' is more suitable. Young children are agnostic, and they ask questions before they are indoctrinated/force fed with religion. Of only we could keep being agnostic throughout our lives. Being agnostic on things is what has advanced technology to this point, its better to say 'I don't know' and then try to find out like science does, instead of filling the gaps with lies.

I think you are right, agnostic is more suitable. Absolute certainty in any aspect what stifles progress, religious indoctrination is a scourge.
I consider myself an Agnostic Atheist

felixomor:


Cut the talk on slavery, u made a claim on the bible and I debunked it.
Period.
The last time I checked, religious people still made up the most of nobel prize winners.
I dont know where u got ur stats from.
And when u say God is irrelevant, statistically speaking, u r wrong.
There is still no better explanation for the origin of the universe than his creation, sorry.

Claiming a verse is out of context, or quoting another scripture only shows how contradictory the bible is
Historically, of course most nobel prize winners are or were Christians, things have changed are changing.Scientific advancement has accelerated at break neck speed and now we have no need for God to explain anything. The only place where religious belief is growing is in Africa and that is because of the birth rate, this is an indictment if anything
Most people believe in God, still does not change the fact we no longer need to invoke him to explain anything
God's creation of the universe is not an explanation it is hole filling the famous 'God of the gaps'

Ranchhoddas:
My point exactly. Indistinguishable to you!!

Why would i not be not be able to tell if something is divine when compared to other works of literature, it should be clear as day to anyone if the source of the writing is from a mystic source then i would expect an unparalleled production

I would say we have no reason to believe that we have a watchman. It can never be logical for us to believe we have one, since this deity has never shown any evidence for its existence. I can see why people desire to believe in one to make us feel warm and fuzzy, not knowing what happens after we die, however, it is a metaphysical claim, outside the bounds of what we can verify. This is in fact a weakness if=n the idea of a watchman not a strength

Ranchhoddas:
The Bible in its entirety is not exactly the same with any piece of literature anywhere. So how do you know for sure that that's not what the Divine entails?

No piece of literature can be exactly the same, individuals write them and of course they will differ. The bible does not exactly stand out from other works of literature, it has new ideas but nothing really seems to prove the claim that it makes to being 'God breathed'.
How can a work of divinity be indistinguishable or even inferior to other works of literature. The similarities between the stories and characters in the Bible and those from previous mythologies are both undeniable and well-documented.